Full Version: The Westboro Baptist Church
No more chemotherapy for cancer patients then. Or any sort of invasive surgeries. No vaccinations or man-made medicines of any kind, for that matter. No eyeglasses or contact lenses. No polyester. All are very unnatural things. Oh well.
QUOTE(travisbmoore @ Feb 23 2007, 09:18 AM) [snapback]508611[/snapback]
Bottom line anything unatral can not be good.
Here's an idea: Think first, THEN type.
Although, by that same token, not everything natural is then inherantly beneficiary.
That's what I've been saying. Dying of cancer is natural. Killing another of your species over a spot of ground to live in is natural. Eating your own young is natural. Nature is abhorrent at times. It is not always or even often a good guidline for human society. To quote the film, The African Queen-
Chew on that a little.
My two cents- The phrases "It's natural" or "It's not natural" are almost never good arguments for anything, whether it be sexual behavior or an active ingredient in energy drinks.
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"Nature, Mr Allnut, is what we are put in this world to rise above."
Chew on that a little.
My two cents- The phrases "It's natural" or "It's not natural" are almost never good arguments for anything, whether it be sexual behavior or an active ingredient in energy drinks.
I was talking to a friend of mine today who is a conservative Christian, republican and open homophobe. We somehow got onto the topic of homosexuality, and his response to anything said about it was to look disgusted, shudder, and say "it's not natural!" I tried to explain that A: yes it could be considered natural and B: that being natural doesn't automatically mean something should be approved of or condemned, but he just kept to saying it wasn't natural as if that were the be all and end all.
Sometimes I wonder whether he's been brainwashed or something. It's damn near impossible to get him to shut up and listen long enough to argue against homophobia. Does anyone have any suggestions on things to say that will make him actually THINK about it and not just keep spouting the same sentence over and over again? (I tried variations on the arguements above with not much success at all.)
I'm not really sure this is quite on topic, so if it isn't will someone please remove it?
Sometimes I wonder whether he's been brainwashed or something. It's damn near impossible to get him to shut up and listen long enough to argue against homophobia. Does anyone have any suggestions on things to say that will make him actually THINK about it and not just keep spouting the same sentence over and over again? (I tried variations on the arguements above with not much success at all.)
I'm not really sure this is quite on topic, so if it isn't will someone please remove it?
As both Toby-Chan and myself have said, the natural or unnatural occurrence of something doesn't dictate whether it is good or bad.
Quiddity: It's impossible to talk sense to the Great Wall of Ignorance. I have an older brother who is just like your friend. (For the record, bro hates the French too). He's got this ingrained horror of gays and anything gay stuck in his brainpan and he refuses to let it go despite any evidence I could point out to him. I think a major reason could be because he has two sons, and he's probably terrified one or both might "turn gay." For all I know, he thinks I'm a lesbian too. Yeah, he's my brother, and I love him. But he's such a freaking idiot about some things.
westboro church, al qaeda, etc. its basically all the same schism. for every two sane people in the world theres always one inbalanced person who wants to kill whatever he doesnt like.
QUOTE(kaizenyorii @ Mar 1 2007, 10:37 AM) [snapback]510889[/snapback]
westboro church, al qaeda, etc. its basically all the same schism. for every two sane people in the world theres always one inbalanced person who wants to kill whatever he doesnt like.
Reminds me of Scar's dialog,
"When there are creater there will be destroyer"
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Woot...
Sorry for the off topic
The chruch in name is quite weird since doesn't God love and forgive not hate and not forgive? I just think that the church in topic is quite dumb since it's like they're just using God's name to voice out their opinions and make it seem out that its God's will. But if it is as Void and Popo says
I think the daughter's just sad bec. the person she tried to seduce or get to become her boyfriend turns out to be gay.
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QUOTE(Void @ Jun 25 2006, 03:35 AM)
I wouldn't get my hopes up. Have you seen the guy's daughter? She's just as rabid as he is.
She's passionate but I think her dad is just a fugure head now and shes the brains. Without her puppet she can't do much can she?
I wouldn't get my hopes up. Have you seen the guy's daughter? She's just as rabid as he is.
She's passionate but I think her dad is just a fugure head now and shes the brains. Without her puppet she can't do much can she?
I think the daughter's just sad bec. the person she tried to seduce or get to become her boyfriend turns out to be gay.
The really sad thing is: Phelps thinks he is credible and should be taken seriously. Maybe in the small minded little world he inhabits with his family/congregation, and those (like General Pace) who think like him. But in out here in the real world...
God, that stuff makes me sick. It's one huge reason why I'm an atheist - there's way to much intolerance... if there really was a God, he wouldn't promote such intolerance, especially when he was the one who created homosexuals. XD
There are so many things wrong with the Westboro Baptist Church that I'm not going to try and list all of them. However, simply said, they have no biblical proof to back up what is being preached by them. Westboro members are only spouting off what they feel is right, their own interpretation of what they believe the bible should be saying. Make no mistake in thinking that they are telling the truth or even quoting the bible for that matter.
God doesn't promote intolerance, Saxophonist.
People, on the other hand...
People, on the other hand...
God doesn't hate fags he just doesn't agree much on what they do
Make it simple...God actually doesn't hate anything.anyone.any matter.
God only forbid activities that are destructive to human kinds, and being conservative human, we ventured deeper into "GOD's FORBIDDEN AREA"
God only forbid activities that are destructive to human kinds, and being conservative human, we ventured deeper into "GOD's FORBIDDEN AREA"
heh. Cults are funny like that.
...I've read that last sentence 5 times now and it still makes no sense...
QUOTE(Kenji @ Mar 30 2007, 03:02 AM) [snapback]523408[/snapback]
Make it simple...God actually doesn't hate anything.anyone.any matter.
God only forbid activities that are destructive to human kinds, and being conservative human, we ventured deeper into "GOD's FORBIDDEN AREA"
God only forbid activities that are destructive to human kinds, and being conservative human, we ventured deeper into "GOD's FORBIDDEN AREA"
...I've read that last sentence 5 times now and it still makes no sense...
Just about all they say is disrespectful and very un-Christian in many ways.
They're just cruel people who could just as easily 'burn in hell' as anyone else. (makes me glad I'm agnostic; I don't put up with this crap)
They're just cruel people who could just as easily 'burn in hell' as anyone else. (makes me glad I'm agnostic; I don't put up with this crap)
Thanks for the link, popgeejo. Theroux used to have a show called "Weird Weekends" on IFC where he would profile just the strangest people. Those Phelps girls look so wholesome - like wolves in sheeps clothing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/
A clip from the documentary. Should be the first video that plays.
A clip from the documentary. Should be the first video that plays.
QUOTE(Popogeejo @ Mar 30 2007, 01:19 PM) [snapback]523542[/snapback]
"God is your enemy."
Now this is just getting ridiculous. Have these people even read the Bible? And all this sudden focus on Homosexuality; it's just one sin of many, you guys. I think if God was going to punish America, he'd have a better excuse than one deviation practiced by a minority of the population. Or what about these foreign nations where it's more widely accepted? Why not strike them down, set a good example for the rest of us?
Quite possibly because if God started striking down sinners left and right, there'd be no one left to inhabit the Earth.
"They call themselves the most hated family in the US." Well, at least they got one thing right. I dare say I dislike these people even more than the rest of you. Whatever attention people like this receive is more than the deserve.
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Or what about these foreign nations where it's more widely accepted?
They do have signs saying "God hates Sweden" and another site about it...
You know, they just might; but if God is really punishing America over Homosexualty, you'd think he'd at least set his priorities straight and gun for Sweden first.
But as God isn't, it's really a non-issue.
But as God isn't, it's really a non-issue.
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You know, they just might;
http://www.godhatessweden.com/
"Sodomite" is a fun word to say.
Almost as fun as "Damnation."
Ha! It ran headfirst into my trusty filter (I'm working with someone else's wireless, so I've got to roll with this sort of thing). "Racism and hate."
Seriously, though. We don't need people like this running around.
Ha! It ran headfirst into my trusty filter (I'm working with someone else's wireless, so I've got to roll with this sort of thing). "Racism and hate."
Seriously, though. We don't need people like this running around.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW79eTqskpc
Here be part one. Contains naughty words and ideas that some may be mentally traumatised by. Viewer discretion is advised...blah blah blah. Audio is a bit weird.
Here be part one. Contains naughty words and ideas that some may be mentally traumatised by. Viewer discretion is advised...blah blah blah. Audio is a bit weird.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200703300007
Radio host Michael Wiener-Savage seems to agree with he premise that America is to blame for the rise of Islamic fundamentalism. Not the U.S. government and its foreign policy, mind you, but average Americans who just happen to be tolerant of gays.
Simple - YHWH cares more about what happens in America because he considers most of Europe to be a lost cause.
Radio host Michael Wiener-Savage seems to agree with he premise that America is to blame for the rise of Islamic fundamentalism. Not the U.S. government and its foreign policy, mind you, but average Americans who just happen to be tolerant of gays.
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Or what about these foreign nations where it's more widely accepted? Why not strike them down, set a good example for the rest of us?
Simple - YHWH cares more about what happens in America because he considers most of Europe to be a lost cause.
so this little fun gang plans on protesting the funerals of the Virginia Tech victims....
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WBC to Preach at Funerals of Virginia Tech Dead
WBC will preach at the funerals of the Virginia Tech students killed on campus during a shooting rampage April 16, 2007. You describe this as monumental horror, but you know nothing of horror -- yet. Your bloody tyrant Bush says he is 'horrified' by it all. You know nothing of horror -- yet. Your true horror is coming. "They shall also gird themselves with sackloth, and horror shall cover them; and shame shall be upon all faces, and baldness upon all their heads" (Eze. 7:18).
Why did this happen, you ask? It's simple. Your military chose to shoot at the servants of God today, and all they got for their effort was terror. Then, the LORD your God sent a crazed madman to shoot at your children. Was God asleep while this took place? Was He on vacation? Of course not. He willed this to happen to punish you for assailing His servants.
WBC to preach to the whole world,
via the BBC, and UK Channel 4
Soon the whole world will have heard of Westboro Baptist Church and the unwavering message of Her little flock of slaughter. We have preached for nearly 16 years now on the mean streets of America, seeking doors of utterance to cross international boundaries so we might preach the doom of idolatrous Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. Now, God Almighty, in His due time, has opened just such a door. You will have no excuse once the BBC and Channel 4 release their pieces on the WBC. No matter what perverted light they display us in, you will receive the message. God Hates Fags. God Hates You. The World is Doomed. This very well may be the last warning this doomed mass of mankind will receive before Christ returns in fire and glory to punish you. Whether you will hear it, or whether you will forbear, it is of no consequence to us. You have been warned.
WBC will preach at the funerals of the Virginia Tech students killed on campus during a shooting rampage April 16, 2007. You describe this as monumental horror, but you know nothing of horror -- yet. Your bloody tyrant Bush says he is 'horrified' by it all. You know nothing of horror -- yet. Your true horror is coming. "They shall also gird themselves with sackloth, and horror shall cover them; and shame shall be upon all faces, and baldness upon all their heads" (Eze. 7:18).
Why did this happen, you ask? It's simple. Your military chose to shoot at the servants of God today, and all they got for their effort was terror. Then, the LORD your God sent a crazed madman to shoot at your children. Was God asleep while this took place? Was He on vacation? Of course not. He willed this to happen to punish you for assailing His servants.
WBC to preach to the whole world,
via the BBC, and UK Channel 4
Soon the whole world will have heard of Westboro Baptist Church and the unwavering message of Her little flock of slaughter. We have preached for nearly 16 years now on the mean streets of America, seeking doors of utterance to cross international boundaries so we might preach the doom of idolatrous Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. Now, God Almighty, in His due time, has opened just such a door. You will have no excuse once the BBC and Channel 4 release their pieces on the WBC. No matter what perverted light they display us in, you will receive the message. God Hates Fags. God Hates You. The World is Doomed. This very well may be the last warning this doomed mass of mankind will receive before Christ returns in fire and glory to punish you. Whether you will hear it, or whether you will forbear, it is of no consequence to us. You have been warned.
The word 'tasteless' comes to mind...
Phelps and his ilk are some of the few people I completely despise.
...Words can't describe how angry I am reading that.
Somebody lock him up already. Or shoot him. Or something.
Somebody lock him up already. Or shoot him. Or something.
Oh god, there better be some force - police or otherwise - to keep them the hell away from those funerals. These guys are lowlives.
I don't have much to say about this. I can say I hate them and wish them death but that only reduces me to their level. So, I can only repeat a genius statement made by Louis Black about them: "I only hope that when he [Phelps] dies, St. Peters looks like this."
Don't they also have a God hates Canada site? A friend of mine showed me a screen shot from one of their other sites that had a link to the God Hates Canada page. Haven't seen the site myself. (and honestly, don't want to)
I don't have much to say about this. I can say I hate them and wish them death but that only reduces me to their level. So, I can only repeat a genius statement made by Louis Black about them: "I only hope that when he [Phelps] dies, St. Peters looks like this."
Don't they also have a God hates Canada site? A friend of mine showed me a screen shot from one of their other sites that had a link to the God Hates Canada page. Haven't seen the site myself. (and honestly, don't want to)
Whoops!
Should have come here before posting in the Crazy News item thread.
Well, if anybody wants to see a video of these losers being chased away from the funeral go there.
There are no words to describe how a feel about their actions. It's almost as if they are trying to see just how low they can sink.
Oh and one more thing
Should have come here before posting in the Crazy News item thread.
Well, if anybody wants to see a video of these losers being chased away from the funeral go there.
There are no words to describe how a feel about their actions. It's almost as if they are trying to see just how low they can sink.
Oh and one more thing
Oh yea, I saw them thanks to BBC 2 a few weeks ago...and the BBC didn't need to put them in a 'perverted light' as I would have seen them as f**ked up no matter how the BBC portrated it.
I'm so glad I know I'm going to hell now, saves me having to try and save my soul.
'Preaching for 16 years', what do they want? A medal? Dammit these people peeve me no end, I was happier knowing nothing about them.
I'm so glad I know I'm going to hell now, saves me having to try and save my soul.
'Preaching for 16 years', what do they want? A medal? Dammit these people peeve me no end, I was happier knowing nothing about them.
I got "File Not Found" for both of those links. I already told about what happened when the Phelps Phinhead Phatrol showed up in my town, but did you hear about this new motorcycle honor guard? I saw a segment on "60 Minutes" about them. I think all of them are war veterans (mostly Vietnam), and they ride to soldier's funerals en masse. At the funeral, they all (I believe there are 50 all told) stand holding American flags as a kind of "buffer" between the mourners, and the Westboro idiots.
Yes, there may be a "God Hates Canada" site, I do know of a "God Hates Sweden". Between this latest gig, and their first one of protesting at the funerals of people who died of AIDS, Phelps and Co would go to countries which had gay officials and protest. I hear one time Phelps got it into his head that some Finnish female head of state was a lesbian. Reproduced on the Web was his letter requesting a certain amount of visas so he and some followers could fly to Helsinki and burn the Finnish flag in "protest."
The funny thing is, when they tried to burn the Canadian flag in Ottawa, they discovered it was made from flame retardant material! HA!
Yes, there may be a "God Hates Canada" site, I do know of a "God Hates Sweden". Between this latest gig, and their first one of protesting at the funerals of people who died of AIDS, Phelps and Co would go to countries which had gay officials and protest. I hear one time Phelps got it into his head that some Finnish female head of state was a lesbian. Reproduced on the Web was his letter requesting a certain amount of visas so he and some followers could fly to Helsinki and burn the Finnish flag in "protest."
The funny thing is, when they tried to burn the Canadian flag in Ottawa, they discovered it was made from flame retardant material! HA!
From a personally religious and moral standpoint, let me say without guilt that I am seriously looking forward to the day Phelps dies. What's more, I'm looking forward to the crowd of people who will subsequently picket his funeral.
One of these days, Phelps is going to picket the wrong funeral and get himself killed.
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One of these days, Phelps is going to picket the wrong funeral and get himself killed.
Now your being silly, he's got a whole family in the firing line to get killed first.
I can just see the article... "Phelps pickets mafia members' funerals, claims they supported gays; wake to be held this Sunday."
The more I think about it, the more this Westboro Baptist Church sounds like the American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.
Let's pick apart parts of that little speech on the last page, shall we?
"WBC will preach at the funerals of the Virginia Tech students killed on campus during a shooting rampage April 16, 2007. You describe this as monumental horror, but you know nothing of horror -- yet. Your bloody tyrant Bush says he is 'horrified' by it all. You know nothing of horror -- yet. Your true horror is coming. "They shall also gird themselves with sackloth, and horror shall cover them; and shame shall be upon all faces, and baldness upon all their heads" (Eze. 7:18)."
Way to quote out of context. Great job. That verse has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality. As a matter of fact, chapter 7 of Ezekiel was about anger towards Israel. It says NOTHING relevant to that guy's argument. Kind of like seeing a verse where someone hangs himself, then going back a couple TESTAMENTS to find a 'go thou and do likewise' passage to quote with it.
"Why did this happen, you ask? It's simple. Your military chose to shoot at the servants of God today, and all they got for their effort was terror. Then, the LORD your God sent a crazed madman to shoot at your children. Was God asleep while this took place? Was He on vacation? Of course not. He willed this to happen to punish you for assailing His servants."
Right, then. I suppose the whole thing where we were given free will was just a misprint by a couple thousand medieval scribes. (Galatians 5 says, "You, my brothers, were called to be free.")
...that whole thing is just really sad.
"WBC will preach at the funerals of the Virginia Tech students killed on campus during a shooting rampage April 16, 2007. You describe this as monumental horror, but you know nothing of horror -- yet. Your bloody tyrant Bush says he is 'horrified' by it all. You know nothing of horror -- yet. Your true horror is coming. "They shall also gird themselves with sackloth, and horror shall cover them; and shame shall be upon all faces, and baldness upon all their heads" (Eze. 7:18)."
Way to quote out of context. Great job. That verse has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality. As a matter of fact, chapter 7 of Ezekiel was about anger towards Israel. It says NOTHING relevant to that guy's argument. Kind of like seeing a verse where someone hangs himself, then going back a couple TESTAMENTS to find a 'go thou and do likewise' passage to quote with it.
"Why did this happen, you ask? It's simple. Your military chose to shoot at the servants of God today, and all they got for their effort was terror. Then, the LORD your God sent a crazed madman to shoot at your children. Was God asleep while this took place? Was He on vacation? Of course not. He willed this to happen to punish you for assailing His servants."
Right, then. I suppose the whole thing where we were given free will was just a misprint by a couple thousand medieval scribes. (Galatians 5 says, "You, my brothers, were called to be free.")
...that whole thing is just really sad.
The Westboro Baptist Church complements the KKK. They hate gays and the Klan (aka "sheetheads") hate just about everyone else.
I know about freedom of speech but Westboro Baptist abuses the freedom.
I think it's time for the government to step in and say enough is enough. The Phelps bunch hates America so much and go as far as to disrupt the funerals of fallen soldiers but they still use American rights to free speech and protest.
I think it's time for the government to step in and say enough is enough. The Phelps bunch hates America so much and go as far as to disrupt the funerals of fallen soldiers but they still use American rights to free speech and protest.
QUOTE(Sword Alchemist @ Jun 12 2007, 08:43 PM) [snapback]551923[/snapback]
I know about freedom of speech but Westboro Baptist abuses the freedom.
I think it's time for the government to step in and say enough is enough. The Phelps bunch hates America so much and go as far as to disrupt the funerals of fallen soldiers but they still use American rights to free speech and protest.
I think it's time for the government to step in and say enough is enough. The Phelps bunch hates America so much and go as far as to disrupt the funerals of fallen soldiers but they still use American rights to free speech and protest.
Nope. Freedom of speech even applies to hate speech.
Let them make a fool of themselves; let us be mature enough to ignore them.
QUOTE(Sword Alchemist @ Jun 13 2007, 04:43 AM) [snapback]551923[/snapback]
I know about freedom of speech but Westboro Baptist abuses the freedom.
I think it's time for the government to step in and say enough is enough. The Phelps bunch hates America so much and go as far as to disrupt the funerals of fallen soldiers but they still use American rights to free speech and protest.
I think it's time for the government to step in and say enough is enough. The Phelps bunch hates America so much and go as far as to disrupt the funerals of fallen soldiers but they still use American rights to free speech and protest.
The government can't step in, for the reason Chiyo gave. Whilst the debate is unofficial, raging back and forth between two camps, it can be ignored to the tune of "these people are ignorant fools, not worth consideration", or vice versa. As such, it remains a matter of opinion.
The government attempting to curb the wondrous right that is 'Freedom Of Speech' would open a whole new can of worms. If they clamp down on this particular set of fanatics, someone could legally apply exactly the same principle to any number of current issues in the US. The law telling Westboro it's in the wrong would set a very tricky precedent, both for the US and - potentially - internationally (not a legal precedent in that instance, merely an example).
Wow, this is pretty bad coming from a church. Maybe they should spend less times attacking homosexuals and more time studying the bible: James 1:20 - For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. In other words, stop hating other people, it's getting us nowhere.
And also, God doesn't hate anyone. If God hated homosexuals, then he would hate little kids who lied to their mother about stealing a cookie. He would hate all of us, because no one is perfect.
I disagree with those who are homosexuals, but it's not my choice or place to judge. There are people out there who disagree with my choice of being a Christian. They have right to disagree with me, but not segregate or attack me like these people have done.
But really, the Westboro church hasn't done much of anything to put up their own argument. All they've done is protray themselves as a bunch of ignorant pricks.
And also, God doesn't hate anyone. If God hated homosexuals, then he would hate little kids who lied to their mother about stealing a cookie. He would hate all of us, because no one is perfect.
I disagree with those who are homosexuals, but it's not my choice or place to judge. There are people out there who disagree with my choice of being a Christian. They have right to disagree with me, but not segregate or attack me like these people have done.
But really, the Westboro church hasn't done much of anything to put up their own argument. All they've done is protray themselves as a bunch of ignorant pricks.
This might be the worst picture I've ever seen
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I feel sick.....
I feel sick.....
...I just ate, too....
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