I know. I'm just going to stop arguing with them now. I say let them like what they like, and I'll like what I like. Let them think what they think and I'll think what I think.

anyway Galorfilinde: Yes I did start a fanfic based on Pride!Ed. I've only got the prologue done. I'll post it here for you. so all you pride haters, I don't care if you like this or not. This is a one time stand. After this...when I stop being lazy...I'll post it on Fanfiction.net. Don't get onto me. I know this isn't the fanfic section and as I have stated this is a one time stand. Enjoy to everyone else. It's short and it probably sucks but I don't care.

Something about pride

-Prologue-
-The Pride in me-


Lifeless golden eyes opened and looked around the room. The eyes slowly traveled over the room. There were two women and three men in the room. Both women had on black dresses that were rather revealing. One of the women's hair was black and the other was brown. There was something slightly familiar about the one with brown hair, the owner of the eyes concluded.

The eyes traveled over the men now. There was a boy that was probably younger than the one that owned the eyes. He had long black hair kinda like the first woman. Then there was this strange roundish looking man. He slightly resembled a dwarf from the lord of the rings or something. His nose was rather large, and his thumb was inserted in his mouth.

And then there was the last man that looked...(Dare I say it?) like a palm tree. His green/black hair spilled over his shoulders and down his well defined chest. He had the strangest smirk on his face.

“You're the new Pride.” The woman with black hair said with a warm smile. The new Pride dropped to his knees to look at himself at what he figured was a puddle of blood. Sure enough the person he though he was, was gone.

The hair that he'd worked so hard to keep in a braid spilled over his shoulders in golden waves. Red markings adorned his body, and sure enough the mark of the Homuculi rested on his shoulder. All he could do was stare into the blood. Who's was it to begin with? There was all these unanswered questions and Pride didn't think that he'd get any out of these people...

Thanks for reading.

well most of the people here against Pride!Ed were really, only saying what they feel about Pride!Ed. Yet whenever we say something negative, Becca sounds like she is about to kill us for saying those words. It's not too fair to us either. She did "hear" our opinions, but she didn't accept them, that's all.

Anyways, I am not going to make more pointless posts here, because Becca is just gonna bite me about it or something.

(Please don't send me chain messages either. I don't like them. I think whenever they say "If you don't send it to 5+ people you will be cursed" just beats the purpose that it's supposed to be a message to wish for other's good luck.)

I know I know...forgive me for voicing my opinion. It's not like I don't want you guys to stop. Then I'd have nothing to rant about. It's just that it sounds like you're totally against every aspect of a fan made character. I like everything FullMetal. It's just that I'm an aspiring author. I like the thought of fans liking your work so much that they do stuff like that.

What's so wrong about being a fan? You guys make it sound like it's a stupid pointless thing. If you wanted to be a great author wouldn't you want to have dedicated friends like that? Sorry to have offended you guys. I'll stop now. Just read this one last thing before you make bad judgements about me Armor-Alchemist.

The point is: At first you said this thread is free for everyone to talk about their feelings, then you keep on stating that this is a thread for BBI Pride!Ed fans, not for haters, so that sounds like you really want to just kick all the ones that expressed dislike towards Pride!Ed out. (which beats the purpose of posting on a online forum which is meant to be for everyone to discuss. If you don't want Pride haters, you should just state it on the first post, then we wouldn't say anything that way.)


*sigh* too late for that already.

anyways, I have got better things to do than to express more of my opinion here, so this is really my last post in this thread .__.

Fine, be that way. I don'r really care either way. You can accept my appology and move on. I said I was sorry. Seesh, now I'm going to feel bad. I really don't care. Do what you want.

Sorry to inform you, but saying things like that doesn't quite aid you in mending problems like this.

And from your previous posts, it doesn't seem like you quite understand what we were all trying to tell you. If you did, you wouldn't be acting the way you are.

We're really just beating a dead horse here. Let's let the crazy fangirls have this small piece of real estate, and forget that the topic exists, meh? There are enough BBI and Pride!Ed fans that it's not pointless, but it really isn't necessary to continually ruin there little I PRIDE!ED party. We've made ourselves heard in that Pride!Ed is simply a silly character from a silly fangame which has inspired some fanfiction because he's Ed with sexy tats. He's like a Scar-Ed-Envy combination- every fangirl's dream.

Just let it be. Some insanity is uncurbable.

Bluebird's Illusion is pretty popular for FMA fans here in my place. The game has four endings, I think, and only one is happy.
People seem to have very different thoughts about Pride, but me, I like him. He's cool, but not a Harry Stu (or Mary Sue).

Of course he isn't. He has no real meaning in the plot-line. Just a convenient solution and a very nicely drawn character.
Still, not complaining about any fangirling. I happen to be one of the fangirls who drooled over the pretty graphics. XD

Even though I think Pride!Ed is a creative concept, I don't like Pride!Ed as a character. I guess it's because I'm used to Ed being against the homunculi, not being one. And I never really liked BBI, either. Brilliant artwork, though.

Glad to know there are other FullMetal fans who don't like BBI.

I agree that the artwork is of very high quality, though. O:

Hmmm, I like Pride! Ed and all, but I have to agree with what Nepharski wrote on one of the earlier pages.
He's nothing more than a really good looking flat image.
If he had some personality, or some really cool powers or something, he'd be much more interesting.

But I like the concept of Ed becoming a homunculus.

.....This is the first forum I've come across where people don't like Pride.....

No offence or anything, but I don't think there's anything wrong with Pride...
He'd be a cliched character if he did have some sort of special power......
.....what else can I say?.... I like his character design! (and his sythe!!)

Every kind of people exist. You can like Pride!Ed and I can hate Pride!Ed, and we can probably still be friends.

There isn't anything wrong with Anime!Pride or Manga!Pride... but Fanmade!Pride!Ed just isn't my cup of tea. ^^; somehow he reminds me of some random shinigami, no not from Bleach but from shoujo mangas with shinigami. To me, I think Ed would not be anyone who easily gives himself up like that EVEN IF AL DIES... so I really don't think Ed would turn into a homunculus (and judging from the current FMA plot line, it's highly unlikely that he will get turned into one anyways... Somehow it seems Al might have a chance though, depending on how the story goes... ok I am getting off topic.) To me, BBI!Pride!Ed is nothing more than a pretty fanart.

I lubves Pride Ed. I even cosplayed as him at CNAnime 2007. Even thought the costume looks simple....IT'S NOT!!!!!

Here's what I looked like when it was done, I was too poor for a wig, so I just dyed my hair blonde:
http://alchemygirl.deviantart.com/art/Prid...osplay-63490885

I actually couldn't agree with you more. I can't see Edward as being so weak that if Al died, he's just completely allow himself to be overcome like that. I think Al would want Ed to keep moving forward and living for both himself and his brother. I don't like the idea at ALL of Ed becoming a homunculus and I don't think Ed would allow something like that to happen. I just can't see it happening to him. To me, it doesn't seem logical. Sure, he's really pretty as Pride, but it doesn't suit him nor his character in the least.

I agree with Winry's thoughts - the effeminated Pride outfit barely fits Edward...but then again I only read midnightbanshee's guide, and thus can't really produce an informed opinion. Though I have to admit there is some appeal to a Homonculus based off Ed (as sad as the premises of Ed dying would be), and the way he'd have to struggle between the identity of his original image and his current role as a Homonculus. Like someone said before. many people are forgetting it would be a character completely different from Ed we're talking about. What Pride!Ed made me think of was that would have Al reacted a moment later in ep 51, the Sloth scenario might have repeated itself, and Dante would have found herself having to care for yet another Homonculus - yes I have my AU fancies at times .

Yeah, I know this is a stupid question but what exactly is BBI?

And I agree that the character is very nice, but what is it from exactly?

@dragonqueen: It's a Chinese fanmade computer game that was once very popular. See the thread in the same section of the forum that says FMA Chinese doujin game for more info.

For the record, in the Pride!Ed ending, it's not just Al who kicks it; Roy does too. And earlier events in the path to that ending suggest romantic feelings starting between Ed and Roy (hell, the whole game suggests this, it's the Roy Ending that goes further with it). Not only that but both of them were killed while trying to protect Ed. So despite how strong Ed is, there's still going to be a reaction out of him if the two people who mean most to him are killed because of him. And he didn't exactly become weak in the first place. Rather he got upset and made one hell of an alchemic reaction that destroyed everything and killed himself. So if anything, he became stronger in that last moment of sorrow. He's already dead when they turn him into a homunculus. At least...that's what I remember from midnigthbanshee's translation.

Not saying you guys are wrong, just pointing that out.


(btw, I dislike Pride!Ed. There's nothing to him. He has like one shot and only one or two lines? He's overhyped.)

AA Battery: Thanks, I've been reading bout it for awhile now and couldn't figure it out.

I want to make manga for continued the story pride edward, but I tired for drawing in a lot of paper anyone want help me please PM ....

Hehe... I kinda like Pride!Ed... he's empty, with no story or personality. Meaning I can toy with him in my fanfics in any way I want...

This topic suddenly makes me want to finish my fic...

Well, here's my take on things:

In the Pride!Ed Ending, Roy and Alphonse are accidentally killed by Envy trying to protect Ed (Envy was going to kill Ed first out of mercy so that he wouldn't have to watch his loved one die... ironic). Their deaths cause Edward's sanity to shatter, and he attempts to use a giant transmutation circle (which he had made previously in order to fix Alphonse's body) to try and bring them back. Predictably, this fails and instead causes the homunculi's lair to begin failing apart. Envy runs away in fear, while King Bradley/Wrath tries to stop Ed. Ed defeats Bradley, who comments on human frailty before dying permanently. The transmutation reaction goes out of control and causes a massive explosion that destroys the lair and kills Ed. Father (who in the game is the same person as Hoenheim), watching from a far, is impressed by the reaction, which is beyond anything a human can do, proving Ed to be his "perfect son." He sends Envy to to retrieve Edward's body. Envy is at first reluctant, and comments to himself how Edward would never want to live as a Homunculus. Later, Envy and Pride stand atop the ruins of the capital building, and Envy comments on the military's ineffectiveness in digging through the ruins, and how Pride apparently has chosen to forget his former identity (and become taller). Pride appears cold and detached, asking why they should care about the humans. They leave, and Riza spots them, and wonders where Roy, Alphonse, and Ed are, and if they are okay. Envy later implies that he and Pride have begun a relationship to pass the centuries, and Pride monologues and how he is now immortal, and then quotes the series catchphrase about equivalent exchange, suggesting he remembers his former live and laments his loss.

I find it to be really heart-wrenching.

Although we never learn what Pride's power is, I think that if a sequel was ever made (but it never will), that he would probably have Manga-Pride's abilities (shadow manipulation), since the game is manga-based. Although in fanfiction, he has been ascribed such powers as the Ultimate Weapon (create weapons from his ocean of stored stones), Teleportation, and even Anime-Wrath's power of Alchemy and Fusion.

Pride's physical appearance is interesting, as his body is covered in a series of tattoos based on a human transmutation circle, and he wear's Envy's outfit. He is also taller and less muscular (more lithe) than Edward was, similar to Envy's physique.

Pride/Ed Is lokking so cute I loved him so much!!!

Whoa @_@ I see someone using the cover of a hentai doujinshi as their avatar..........

I personally see no point in making a sequel out of BBI. The game was made based on the assumption that Father = Hohenheim, and since that has already been proven wrong, there is no point in making a game that still has this incorrect assumption.

What I look forward to most right now, is this game though --- http://yui.huming.com/pp2/

They made their own music (like most doujin games would) so they won't have to worry about Sony (and such) going after them, like how BBI was like. (to refresh people's memory, BBI used Hamasaki Ayumi's Moments as the theme song of the game, as well as the ending song of the Playstation FMA game, and that is why they were at risk of getting sued by Sony.) What I like most about this game is that it has a card game in it, so it's not as plain as just going through a story. The story of this game is completely AU, so it doesn't need to worry as much about conflicting storyline with manga. =3

^That does seem like a promising game.

Is it just me, or was there another Chinese doujin game which also went by the name of Phantomphobia? Or is this the same thing...?

I wish I could read traditional Chinese fluently.

well actually for me i have never heard of this game. i might have to look in to it and see what it is about.

Yes, there was a game named Phantomphobia, and this game (that I posted in my above post) is the COMPLETE VERSION of that old Phantomphobia. The first PPB game was not complete, and it had tons of glitches. Even so, I still loved that first PPB game more than BBI because of the card game (which still has glitches) and the more relaxed, humourous nature of the story. I hate angst...

This complete version of PPB is by same (but not all) people who worked on the first version of PPB. They also made a Japanese version of the game to be sold in the Japanese fandom (as they recruited a lot of people to work on this new version of the game... including quite a few Japanese fans).

Anyhow, this complete version of PPB is finally out, and I asked my friend to buy one copy for me, which she did ^^ My mom will be paying a visit to Hong Kong in March, so I should be able to get my hands on the Traditional Chinese version of this game before this April =D I think I'll write a detailed game summary and stuff for this game probably in May, after my exams, so please look forward to it. ^^

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It's really hard to say which is better... BBI or PPB. BBI definitely was a LOT more well-known and popular, mainly due to its beautiful artwork. It's undeniable that BBI had very beautiful artwork... a lot better than that of PPB. A lot of people like angst stories too, so in that sense, BBI was loved by many. I think BBI is a great game too. It's not glitchy at all (at least I have never encountered any glitches during my entire gameplay... yeah I unlocked everything.) while PPB is EXTREMELY glitchy (I hate it when glitches happened during the card games x_x). Hopefully this new PPB has solved most of these problems. I love the randomness and interactiveness of PPB, and that's why I think it's a better than than BBI. There are a lot of original characters in PPB, which gave it a feel of a RPG game. I haven't played it for a while (glitches are discouraging, and that it doesn't have an ending doesn't really encourage repeated game play), but it had something like... obtaining items to boost your affection level with someone? XD Yeah, a lot of curious stuff that just fits my cup of tea. So I really am looking forward to getting my hand on the hardcopy of the game. =D

Here is how I'd put it... (sorry if some info is not correct. I haven't touched these games in over 2 years.)
(Note that the following comparisons were made against the old incomplete version of PPB)

Story completeness: BBI > PPB
- BBI has 4 clear endings: Roy, Al, Pride, Game over
- PPB has no clear ending (because the game was meant to be made in 2 parts), so you can't exactly tell how far you are, with the person you are after.

Interactiveness: PPB > BBI
- BBI is just walking around, finding the "story points" (which were essential for leading to the ending you are after), and conversations
- PPB has card games and other curious stuff like shopping. It's more RPG-like.

Gameplay satisfaction + Technology: BBI > PPB
- BBI has almost no glitches, while PPB has tons, which may result in freezing or failing to save.

Artwork: BBI > PPB
- ... I don't think I need to explain this, really. The artwork in BBI is nothing but beautiful-ness. However, the new PPB's artwork seems to have improved a lot, too.

Story diversity: PPB > BBI
- PPB is a lot more curious because it is an AU story (Ed and Al were doing some sort of alchemy experiment, and Ed got bounced to a completely different world... well, I guess it's not super original either, but it has a lot more flexibility).
- Personally, I think BBI's story is too... canon? Turning Ed into a humunculus/Al dies/Roy dies isn't completely original and special, and angst is overrated. please don't hurt me for saying this

Game difficulty: PPB > BBI
- BBI is a lot more straightforward, and non-chinese speaker can definitely follow through a game guide/translation to finish the game.
- PPB has a lot of curious variables, so it's kind of hard to tell hard to get things moving to the direction you want... xD; It can be frustrating, but I'm exactly the type that enjoys stuff like this. 8D

personally I didnt know it till just right now ed turned into pride but all have the hommunculi are named after the seven deadly sins so pride was right up there

Yeah, but I love Pride!Ed anyway lol xD

I think Pride is Ed´s sin in all ways, dont you think? This is the best representation of himself

Sooooo curious, I mean Pride only appeared like 1 minute or a few seconds, and now has gone to fame and he has lots of fan girls (like me xD)
Maybe it´s because he was Edward, of course and its interesting to see him die and transform into a homunculus...

Of the two versions of Pride, I like him with pants
1.- He looks nice
2.- He doesn´t look like a cheap copy of Lust and Envy´s clothes
3.- Ok maaaaaybe he looks gay, but who cares? xD I certainly not hah

I think it was an original idea the fact of those stranges marks all over his body, cuz gives him a little creppy and misterious personality....

This is my opinion about Pride, I love him and Im sad that those chinesse fans didn´t create another story where Pride is the main star u.u
So, we have to make fan fics lol hahaha

I'm pretty sure it's inspired by the pattern on armor-Al in episode 51. Not that original, really.

Really?

Well that could be one idea but still....i like it heheh

Umm...am I the only one who wasn't crazy about the artwork?

I mean, as art all by itself, it really was gorgeous. But for FMA? Ehh...

*dodges flying objects thrown by BBI fans* XD

Seriously though, it's a pet peeve of mine. Prided!Ed is a very intriguing concept and all (and Emily, I agree that it's probably the sin best suited for him), and I liked the opening for the game, but that's about it. To be honest, I dislike the BBI artwork/character representation for the same reason I dislike most FMA doujinshi:

[minor rant]

They always seem to make Edward (or even Alphonse) look like this poor, pathetic, pretty, swoony emo person who's oh-so-tragic and melodramatic and...UGH! THAT'S NOT ED, PEOPLE! The Edward Elric I know is a MAN. He is fire, he is willpower, he is anger and courage and hope and stubborn devotion. He is strong. He is a survivor. Yes, underneath he has a softer, vulnerable side and a lot of angst and stuff to deal with, but he doesn't dwell on it or let it way him down. And when we do see it, it isn't all woe-is-me-weepy-wibbly-mushy stuff. Whenever I see him or Al portrayed like that, whether it's in fanart or fan fiction, I get a bit mad. I just CAN'T STAND it when FMA characters are portrayed OOC like that.

I haven't played the game myself, but I've read enough stuff to know how everything happens and what the characters do; and I personally think the whole thing is just...yeesh. I don't see Ed or Al when I look at the art or read the dialog; I just see pathetic, distorted clones. Poor Arakawa, having her brilliant characters stolen and twisted like that...

[rant over]

And please know that I mean no offense to anyone who thinks otherwise. I'm just putting my own opinion out there. If you happen to like the game, if you enjoy fangirling over Pride!Ed or whatever, good for you. Just don't expect me to heap any praise on it.

Dearheart absolutely!! Im agree with you too!! I mean, maybe BBI its famous, but I think its because of character design and Pride!Ed

During the whooole story angst, angst, angst and emo modes all the time
Its like omg stop it!! >_<

If BBI were less emo and more spirit figther, then...the thing would be different u.ú
Yeah no ofense for the others but that´s the true.

BTW, I loved your sig xD and the link on it OwO
Thanks ^^

I just came across this game recently. Pride!Ed seems cool. I will like it if Roy and Al survive in this ending. Will enjoy a fight between Al and Pride with Al trying to invoke Pride's memories as Ed. I'm such a sadist since this game is filled with sad ending anyway