I was typing in 'child games', but I accidentally punched in 'child abuse'. I saw some articles and real life stories from survivors like being beaten, sexually abused, neglected, etc. After reading, I was sickened by the cruelty and what they had to go through, and I saw how different my life is from those poor souls. As an eleven-year-old, I realize their lives are living hells for them. They can't escape. It haunts them. Kids in cages, starved from days to weeks to months, beaten, neglected...the list gets worse.
Abuse takes more than just the color from their lives. It takes the smiles and childhood away. It poisons their souls. It causes permanent effects. Please respond to this topic.

Your right, it is a very sick and cruel thing. But, the parents may be going through something tough, although it is still not an excuse. It would also be extremely hard for the child to go through that. I once read a book on how the mother was very nice until the father died, but after the father died the mother abused the child. I think that the parent should get counceling or put the child with another responsible family member, but it is just so hard for the child for many reasons, like the child doesn't want to see their parent that they may have once loved or still do love get hurt, which is just plain terrible on the child.

It's a very sad thing though...

I have a friend going through this right now, but she can't do anything because she's adopted and her mother has some disease that "protects" her from everything that happens, but it's still not right.

That's terrible. Is your friend going through physical abuse? Tell him/her that I pray he/she'll be okay. Do the police know?
I don't think the government is helping. I heard a woman locked her 5-year-old year old daughter in a cage, and abused her 9 and 11 year old sons. And you know what? THE B**** SPENT ONLY A DARN YEAR IN JAIL!!! WHY'S SHE GETTING OFF EASY????!!!

i can't resist asking this:


is this thread a pro-abortion thread in disguise?

How do you make that mistake?Why don't you just say "I was looking up child abuse" and be done with it.

Sexualy abusing kids is horribl and messed up.

Smacking kids is alot more grey IMO.A light slap upside the head/on the ass isn't gonna break bones or lead to any long or even short term problems.The problem is how can you control stuff like that legaly.
Saying you can hit them but only "so hard" is impossible to enforce legaly.

A long while ago some guy's daughter broke her tooth in the playground.She was in tears so he took her to a dentist where she threw a tantrum because she didn't want to go despite the tooth.Her grabbed her arms and forced her to sit down.The precedure went ahead but the receptionist called the police and the Dad was arrested for child abuse.
I think he was let of eventually but you see the problem (I hope.)



It's very hard to prove to prove abuse.You need medical evidence which can be had to get and the child has to say it was abuse and not an accident.



Get the friend into your house.If the adopted mother has an illness and is unable to care for her charges then she won't be able to look after kids.Social workers should be notified.

BTW:Shouldn't this be in debate district?

It really was an accident...a really stupid one. My head doesn't work, unless it wants too.
The investigators found out that the eleven year old had walked BAREFOOT through snow to report the abuse, and the police searched the house and found the nine year old freezing his butt off. Affter seeing that, they marched into the house...looked in the basement...and there was the five year old girl crying. She was locked in a cage, and they found out every time she cried, the parents would call the poor thing a 'little pig' and splash freezing water on her. They also found out that the b**** beat her sons with a WOODEN ROD. I was horrified.
Did you know that child abuse is reported every ten seconds? And that some children die each day as a result of the abuse? The childrens' voices are mournful, but the government blocks out all the pleas for help because 'kids are too small'. No. Child abuse is getting more common.

If you want an see the article and the pic doesn't work, you can see it here.

you realize many asian parent's form of discipline is via "child abuse" persay.

You need to hear russell peter's skit on how his dad beat him to really get some perspective on this.

And what's there to debate?

except maybe the question should parents beat their children =D.

I suppose that the debate should be 'what should they do about it' but that's a difficult question. There isn't that much that you can do, except eradicate it wherever it appears and try to keep families and children in situations where they can get help instead of becoming violent or submitting to violence and abuse.

Is it ever ok to hit a kid,even lighty to instill some disapline,
What can be about it,
How else can we keep kids inline,just asking them not to won't always work.

I'd beat FMS for some of the ignorant and offensive things he's said. That being said I probably wouldn't beat my own kids.

Forms of normal disciplinary acts:

• spanking
• timeout
• punishing (from going outside, etc.)

Forms of abusive disciplinary acts:

• burning with cigarrettes, scorching water, etc.
• pushing a child down the stairs
• sexually disciplining the child
• throwing objects like knives, heavy sTuFfZ
• creating lacerations or beating up
• causing bone fractures
• whapping with whips, electrical cords, bats, clubs, etc.
• hitting a kid unconscious

Those are just a few. Spanking isn't bad, it's simply disciplining a child for a wrong that can't be solved, so the parents need to spank. Child abuse is a completely different thing, the intentional doing of inflicting injury to a child in order to relieve stress and hurt the child for no apparent reason, may be taken as disciplinary actions but is lawfully descriped as child abuse.

I just wanna play "Kick the baby"....
Smacking is ok if the Smacker has common sense.Sadly this seems to be lacking in 90% of the world.



This tends to be more about domination and the abuser assurting their suppirority on their victim rather than actual disciplin.

We have now identified popogeejo as a future child abuser.
Agreed. It's okay if the smacker is in control, but to inflict intentional harm on a child sexually, physically, emotionally and in neglect is confirmed as child abuse, smacking the buttoxs is fine if it is done disciplinarily. But intentional harm is child abuse, if a dad wanted to whip a child for nothing then it is lawed as physical child abuse. But child abuse can be a combination of two (like sexual and physical together), and that is sometimes the case.

I believe in beating your children. When i say beatin i mean tearin that ass up. Taking off your belt, putting them on your knee, & hittin em in the ass with it. Or as some people call it spanking. My spanking tools would be a belt or a switch. If yall dont know what a switch is, its a branch of a tree, a real thin branch with all the leaves pulled off. My parents whooped me & i came out all right, so people whoop your children.

Ummm... that's really quite harsh.

I'm not sure liking rap counts as 'turning out okay'

But, really, i think that hitting kids with a switch or belt is a bit extreme. I sort of hope that you're not serious...

Just read that little list, and . . . well, how do you "sexually discipline" someone? What the heck is "sexual discipline" anyway?

Apparently, asserting authority sexual- i.e., embarassing a child sexually to 'teach them a lesson' or somesuch.

Nah being whooped with belts or switches doesnt mess you up, it does good for you. When i was little i got tired of being whooped so I started to act right. Thats what happened to me and my 2 bros. We havent been whooped in years & it doesnt hurt much. But it does the job to teach you not to be bad.

That's one form. Some parents are sick psychopaths, and sexual discipline is a form of abuse. Not mentioned, but in a true story a girl (she's like 30 now) said that when she was up to 12 her parents would sexually abuse her. The causes would be anything from not making a required grade or doing something bad to losing a sock.

..or does it? As far as I can recall, all those bloody noses never really worked much as any sort of deterrent for me.

You got bloody noses? Why? How? You know what, Mahou, detention (3 every 5 years), spanks, punishments and all those disciplinary actions never worked on me, nor will it ever.

Welcome to the world of individuality.If your getting 3 detentions every 5 years then thats pretty much average..I think.If disciplin doesn't work then hard labour will break you spirit.

I say lower the minimum age for arrest.Seriously if a child doesn't know right from wrong by 5/6 years old then there are some problems.Letting kids off with warnings when they commit crimes is stupid and doesn't help anyone.
Between the ages of 1-4 kids are safe,5-10 kids can be put under house arrest,11+ and say hello to juvie.
Thats Popo's alternative to smacking and discipline.

I think that you're crazy. Yes, people ought to understand the difference between right and wrong, but many don't. Kids under 12 shouldn't be put in juvenile detention. It's not a pleasant place, popo. Perhaps it's not as bad as a real prison, but being sent to jail is really awful. I know someone who went to juvie over the summer in my class, and he hasn't really been the same. It's nasty to do that to people, you welsh loon.

Though, i've never even had a detention, so i can't really speak from experience, but I find stricter-than-necessary punishment incorrigible at all levels.

*AHEM* Back to child abuse, people, back to child abuse.

Kids under 12 shouldn't be doing crimes that would warrent being sent to Juvie.Why the hell would a Ten year old need to break into a house?It's not like they have debts to pay off or drug habbits to pay for.They just do it becasue they're dumb.Any way I said Kids under 11 would get House arrest not Juvie.What so diffrent about a 12 year old and a 11 year old?Not much.

Hey Popo,if your being so tough why not just use Juvie from 5 up?
Because it'll waste space in Juvie and not have the same effect.Kids 10 and under still need discipline but they also need alot of family to help them.

spanking hah!

back when i was growing up we didn't have spanking. I think it was more called a "thrashing". You lucky lil' rascals. It probably would've qualified as child abuse these days =D.

It's necessary to place an arbitrary line somewhere, to say, okay, this person goes to jail, this doesn't. You can't do an 'almost there' or 'oh, he's just past the age' thing depending on the crime or the maturity of the individual.

Kittygirl, this is child abuse, after a fashion. It's a way to try to keep it down (i think...) actually, i suppose it isn't at all. Perhaps we should open a thread for the criminal system? What laws are jsut, unjust, differences between britain and the US, so on and so forth. Would you like to?

CHILD ABUSE!!!! NEED I SAY MORE? This thread is getting a bit random!
Okay, who can name the four types of abuse to children, people? I heard that the emotional scars are worse than the physical scars.

reading some of the threads on here can be considered child abuse.

people dressing up their children in cosplay outfits (either against their will or no choice involved)

there. that's 2 out of the 4 types of child abuse.

*bangs head on toaster*
Physical abuse
Sexual abuse
Neglect
Emotional abuse
This is not a joke thread. 1 out of every 5 girls will be abused by 18, 1-6 boys by 18. Reports every 10 seconds. It's really a big problem.

reports every 10 seconds? it's a really big problem?
*sigh*

so i think you really need to seperate the issues by the way

neglect and abuse are the result of bad parenting and/or bad circumstances.

I'd seperate out the sexual abuse cases from the purely physical / emotional abuse cases.

Again there's not much that can be done to prevent these things, unless you want big brother deeply involved with families. Do you want people to have a parenting license or something?

Every 4 seconds a kid dies in Africa due to poor water,
Chynobal will be uninhabitable for decades,
An area of the Amzon the size of my country is destroyed every year.

There is a bunch of bad things going on.No one said it was a joke thread.Just becasue we are being light sometimes doesn't mean we don't take the issue seriously.I notice you made jokes in another more controversal thread so don't whine at us when we aren't saying it's a crying shame that kids are beaten.

Can I ask you,are you covering this topic in school right now only you seem to be kicking out answers to questions you asked without much chance of us answering.

So you're telling me feeling sorry for abused kids is wrong? I'm aware that other things are happening, I know people are suffering, and conflict is worldwide. No, I get my answers from the internet, and I check different sites to see if it's really true, then I post it. It sounded like a joke, but I don't know if (unnamed) made a joke or not. You're lucky I'm not using caps lock, and be grateful I'm not the infamous 'AAA'. AAA would go like 'AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA' posting A about 100 times, many people remember the horrors, I assume Knil does because she was on this site before they tweaked it. I'm being calm, but if you want, I can use my cap locks. Or *takes out chainsaw* I can use this lil' baby.

I know this is a very dreary point to bring up but a few months ago my best friend started being abused, and I told the police. Then in about a week I went over to her house (but her parents found out that I told the police) they beat me too. A month ago she got killed by her parents...they strangeled her and then her father raped her after she was dead... but the only thing her parents was about 5 years in prison. I know five years might seem like a long time, but she was my best friend. I always try to act happy and upbeat but I never really am.

...Holy shit, that's awful!

Wow, what a sad story... at first glance.

I'm sorry to say that your account is obviously false. If you had actually told the police, the parents would have been taken into custody immediately, and the child would have been taken out of the house, so even if they payed the bail, there would have been no reason to visit. There's no way that a trial that would have had the parents returned within a week could have taken place.

Even after you had been beaten (supposedly) by her parents, and she was being beaten, there's no way that the police wouldn't take the parents away to jail and undergo a criminal prosecution. Next, you say that a month ago, she was killed, and only a month later the parents have already been sentenced to jail. In the US, any sort of murder charge, if proven, constitutes a life sentence, especially for a horrid murder/rape like the one that you described. Besides, in the US, the justice system takes far, far, far longer than a month to put into action.

Additionally, abuses doesn't 'just start' over a few months and end up with a murder. It's almost always a long trend beginning from the child's infancy and rarely ending in serious physical harm such as death or maiming.

Please, don't desecrate the forums with false stories. Even if it's an exaggeration, please edit it so that it makes some sort of sense.

I know some people who have been abused, and though I'm currently in a situation where I loathe the sight of them, I still don't think that it's anything to lie about so blatantly. I find it offensive and upsetting.

Don't try to defend your point, I won't believe it until you give me names and documented court records.

Void-sama, I would appreciate it if you would delete both of these posts.

Oh. I'm so sorry for your friend, Shell. Why didn't the police take her out of the house and put her with a relative or you? I'm so sorry you got beaten up, but you did the right thing to tell the police, you had the chance to save your friend but...still...did you call the police after?
That's gross that a father would rape her own daughter after she was put through so much pain. If he was going to rape, it should've been his own wife. The government doesn't operate well. I think when Neil Entwistle killed his daughter and wife, he didn't face the death penalty but Scott Peterson, who commited the same crime, did. I don't really know what to respond, I'm not good at dealing with death, but I try my hardest to tell the person I'm sorry it happened and try to comfort them.
I'm grieving that the poor girl lived such a short and terrible lives, like the boy and his sister who were beaten up by their mother 2 to 3 times a day. I guarantee you that as she lay dying she must have thought of the many great times she spent. I'm sure she was the sweetest girl ever. By how you explain, if she was alive I would want to be friends with her. It's like Nina--life cut short by a thing called Shou. I think your friend was as great as Nina. Probably sweeter. If there's a father worse than Shou, it's that sicko and his b**** of a wife.
I'm sure your friend is with the Lord, she must have ridden the carriage the singing angels drive to bring children who suffered into heaven. It is said in the bible 'he who loves his life will have it no more, but he who hates his life shall keep it forever'. So since she hated her life as an abused, sweet-as-sugar-cupcake girl. Her parents will never see her again, they will be banished where the fires of hell will engulf them. I believe that if proper justice isn't given on Earth, heaven will deal with it. It's like they say: The person really isn't dead because they live in our memories and souls. Please keep in mind that I pray your friend is having a wonderful time in heaven, and you will meet her when you go to the other world.
Ah, yes, that brings me to another point. As many as 200-600 children or more die because of the abuse?

That really sucks. I mean it. Things like this shouldn't happen.

Also, the thing about my friend, I can't take her into my house, since she lives in New York now.

But back on topic...I really think that something should be done about this. I mean, this is really, really messed up.

Indeed. Equivalent exchange. If a person abuses and kills a child, they should face the death penalty and be killed the way they killed that person. They skinned the kid alive and left them to die in a trash bag? The killer should be skinned alive and left to die in a trash bag. Children are so small to older people, they think they can boss us around and mistreat us just because we're 'weak, worthless, stupid scumbags who need to be ignored'. Adults don't pay attention to us kids, even when they know the kids are right.
When I grow up and have kids, I'll work to stop the abuse and tell my children to help stop it too by starting sTuFfZ to raise money to help them. I'll be a cartoonist, too, but my dream is to stop conflict or die trying. I'll carve sTuFfZ my kids need to know about safety, I'll make them and when a molester does something to them, they'll know what to do.

*Headdesks repeatedly*

Not that I want to stretch out this questionable story, but assuming it's real... did you even read it?

She said the girl was killed by her father and then she was necropheliac raped after she died. Your comment of 'it's gross that he'd do that after she was put through so much pain.' Um, whut? He was apparently the one who was putting her through that pain and then flipping KILLED her!

And 'if he was going to rape, it should have been his own wife'

...

Good GOD! Where is the logic going in youth of today? RAPE.IS.RAPE! No matter who it happens to! Being married to someone dosen't justify rape, and you seem to be looking at it in a way that it's all about sex if you're assuming that it's better for rape to occur within a marriage.

RAPE IS NOT ABOUT SEX! It is a violent and atrocious act of power assertion that violates one of the deepest boundaries there is.

...Looking at the story again... yah, it looks really dubious.


...stupid ad-hominem reactions.

I READ IT!!!! NO, I DO NOT SEE IT THAT WAY!!!!!! NO, RAPE IS WRONG WHOEVER IT HAPPENS TOO!!! I read so fast it's a challenge for me to actually read it and see wording! I CAN'T WORD!!! I can use proper grammar, I can actually spell, I've got an 8th grade reading level, but I can't word out what I'm trying to say! I'm too impatient to read slow! You should see me waiting to actually KICK the ball in soccer because it's so darn slow in my school! I'm there, falling asleep, complaining and in a bad mood until the finishing bell rings! WE'RE...TALKING..SEXUAL...ABUSE...IN...KIDS!!! NOT IN ADULTS!!!!!
*huff* *huff* *huff*
Okay, that's out of my system. I think we can go on to discussing child abuse in kids now.

Which ad hominem reactions?

Please leave the anime/fantasy world when you speak about real life problems. Else I will not take you seriously at all.

Just because someone did something horrible, you shouldn't punish them in the same manner. It's only cruel, sadistic and hypocritical.


If a kid was telling me a random story of their life, I wouldn't be able to trust their version...simply because
they don't understand the greater things in life and they crave attention constantly.

your just letting your emotions go wild


But is there really that fine of a line between 'abuse' and 'discipline'. I rember getting the belt one or twice back in the day from my dad. that wasn't abuse, that was me being stupid and paying for it.

honestly though we can rant and rave about it but what can you actually do about it? Its still going to happen...and rape doesn't have to mean a sexual term.

*Looks back at ultra-blubbery sob reply I wrote.* *Hits my head with a burning toaster, embarrassed.* I did that...reply...AND I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE A DETECTIIIIVE!!!! *cries* You made me write that thing? I never thought my threads like this would ever arouse fibbers.
Speaking of, there was a girl in my class who said she was raped. I burst out laughing and said, "Sorry, rape exams are longer." And she hated me after.
And now all of a sudden, I'm hated by everyone here.

1. And an investigation would have ran long, Shell.
2. If you were beaten, your parents would've called the police.
3. You can't lie worth monkey waste.



It wasn't, but the crime must really fit the consequence. You were being stupid. If it was intentional and for no reason. But abuse is like:

• whips, electrical cords, deep wound-causing items.
• striking with high heeled shoe over weak parts on the body or other objects that can cause bad penetration, etc.
• Causing lacerations, abrasions, incisions, avulsions, cuts with knife, scissors, penetrating objects, etc.
• Burning, mild to severe, electrical burns that run deep in the body, injuries causing oozing blood, stitches, amputation, etc.
• Pushing down stairs, making others torment, belittle, or take part in the abuse, attempting to drown, kill, or try to murder, etc.

I remember the belt once, too, when I was seven. I had done something, but I remember my butt was really aching.

Posts merged.

Way to miss the pont!I'm not saying you shouldn't care I'm just saying there's no point getting so zealous over something that society can't ever fully prevent.



What the hell are you on about now?Also don't double post.There's an EDIT button for a reason.

I'm great at missing the point, am I? Thanks. I don't have any need tgo fight you, but if I have to, I will.

What.The.Fugg?
Who said anything about fighting or you being "great" at missing the point?I just said;


Seriously Kitty,calm the fugg down.