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Toby-Chan
I'd argue that this sort of 'bible is also immoral' humor doesn't count as an argument, in that the bible's actual stories aren't meant to be tales of morality; only the lists of laws are meant as moral guides.



But it's a funny video.






Also- ADAM AND STEVE. BUMSEX IS UNHYGENIC. AMENDING ANY PART OF A SOCIAL STRUCTURE IS THE SAME THING AS DESTROYING THAT STRUCTURE ENTIRELY.
Vagrant
I'm not too passionate about the issue. I think marriage is a bit of a questionable institution in general. But I do think everyone deserves the same rights. I just don't really care about the semantics or anything.
Hagaren_4ever
I don't think people should be so worried about this. There are plenty of religions other than Christianity and many of them don't necessarily scorn gay people. This is a religious decision, and I don't think that laws should be THIS influenced by the religion of the majority of the people. Separation of church and state, right? Anyway, I don't really care who you marry. You could go marry a dog for all I care. dry.gif
I respect the Bible as a symbol of the Christian church, but I would be a fool to think that it was meant to bring forth the hatred and discrimination that is being spewed from peoples mouths these days.
Forsaken Love
I'll admit that I think it's wrong and against God, however I know people who are gay and I don't care because I love them for the people that they are, not for their sexuality, it would be a sin to judge them on that and refuse to accept them because of that, or at least I think. I don't approve of it, but I wouldn't condem it. I do think religion should be left out of it though, because it is against religion.
Popogeejo
QUOTE
it is against religion.

So are Cheese burgers.
Forsaken Love
QUOTE (Popogeejo @ Jun 23 2009, 08:06 PM) *
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it is against religion.

So are Cheese burgers.



how are cheese burgers against religion O_o sorry if im offending anyone, thats not my intention, but I'm pretty sure every religion explictly sais its wrong (unless theres one i don't know of) which is why i said i thought religion should be kept out of it, to avoid upset within religious communities. I personally have no problem with homosexual relationships, I don't judge people on their sexuality
Tombow
QUOTE (Forsaken Love @ Jun 23 2009, 03:12 PM) *
how are cheese burgers against religion O_o

@Forsaken Love - I think serving meat and dairy products at the same meal is a no-no in Jewish religion. Hence, no cheeseburger. smile.gif I'm not Jewish, so please don't drill me on this, but I think their Kosher Law is based on what's said in the Old Testament of the Bible, so, in that sense, I think Popo is quite correct about equating homosexuality and cheeseburger. ^^
Also, there are many religions that do not explicitly state that homosexuality is wrong... such as, (I think ^^) Hindu, Buddhism, Shinto...(yes, these are all legitimate religions. ^^) While some religions, such as Islam explicitly state that homosexuality is against their religion, not ALL of them do. smile.gif
Forsaken Love
oh XD thats kosher, I didn't know that was one of their rules

lol anyway i thought it was been referred to religion as a whole XD but thanks for explaining to me smile.gif
Popogeejo
The rules about meat and dairy appear in the Bible in the same section that supposedly forbids homosexuality.
If you sit down and read Leviticus quite a lot of stuff is forbidden that is perfectly okay to ignore and still be a good Christian.
It just seems odd how the Church picks and chooses which parts of the Bible it can ignore.
Hagaren_4ever
QUOTE (Popogeejo @ Jun 23 2009, 04:01 PM) *
The rules about meat and dairy appear in the Bible in the same section that supposedly forbids homosexuality.
If you sit down and read Leviticus quite a lot of stuff is forbidden that is perfectly okay to ignore and still be a good Christian.
It just seems odd how the Church picks and chooses which parts of the Bible it can ignore.


I know, it took the them over 100 years to decide which BOOKS to put in the bible and which ones not to. No body even reads it any more, they jut believe what they hear, and go against whatever they're told to. dry.gif
Forsaken Love
lol its ironic that in medevil times the church branded people as heritics for saying the world wasn't flat, when the bible itself sais 'the earth is a sphere suspended in space' XD
Hagaren_4ever
It did? confused.gif
Forsaken Love
yep, apparently so, or well according to my mum whos into all this religion stuff, she knows a lot about loads of religions, she would never make something up like that, so i trust her it is an actual quoat (or words to that affect) unless i made a mistake and its actually in the qu'ran or something, but no i'm pretty sure she said the Bible
Nzm
I am against ANY civil marriages, hetero or homo. I am against forcing religions to accept homosexualism - it's just their opinion. But if someone wants to be gay or lesbian, they have the right to be like that. I am hetero and I have some bad experience with people who are close-minded homosexuals (yes, there are people like that - sth like extrene feminists who hate men) but I have no right to choose someone's way of life. I respect people's own decisions.
Forgiven
I don't support it. I think It's a sin, however, the people themselves are cool. I have tons of gay friends, and family. They are all pretty cool. I just don't support what they call "love". I also don't shove Jesus down their throats. Every once in a while I will tell them, "Hey, look,..." Ya know?

Also, am I the only one who thinks Lesbians are just plain mean? I have come across so many of them, and they were all mean and nasty.
MsLinn
I'm relieved that no one has voted "No, homosexuality should be illegal.". Not that so many has voted, but still...

Now, I shall share my blondness: When it was announced, last year, that homosexualls now could get married in the church in Sweden, I was quite shocked and seriously thought "Doesn't the government know it's already allowed?" lol! What was in my mind, was of course "civil union".

I think it is funny in a weird way that some poeple acctually think homosexual people are worth less than average, as a human...It's the same feeling I get when I think that space is infinite.

About marrige in the church, the curch doesn't mean anything to me, religously, it's just a beautiful building. But I can imagine if you are a deeply religous person, who thinks the church is holy and that marrige is holy, and you aren't allowed to...holyfy your relationship, like you want to, in the church, under God and through a priest get his blessing, it would make me dissapointed in...something.
Mah, I'm just rambling now, not very good at discussing...

Sorry if I offended anyone
Broken Chouchou
QUOTE (Forgiven @ Dec 31 2009, 12:53 AM) *
I don't support it. I think It's a sin


QUOTE (Forgiven @ Dec 31 2009, 12:53 AM) *
Also, am I the only one who thinks Lesbians are just plain mean? I have come across so many of them, and they were all mean and nasty.


See any possible connection?

I do not even begin to understand people who thinks it's a sin, 'morally' wrong, and/or that it should be illegal. Etc. Just wanted to say that. Won't go into any deeper discussions...

(Edit. Speaking of homosexuality, not marriage. I don't really view 'holy matrimony' as especially holy, but still, being raised as I am, it still feels a little bit weird for two gay people to marry for me, even though I'm essentially fine with it. It's their own business, and I'm not against it.)
IceSkadi
My opinion is that till they don't kill/abuse/rape/steal etc... they can do whatever they want.
Civil unions for me are perfectly fine due the fact that they're not offending any kind of religious ceremony, but the religious ceremony can be a problem to permit nowadays. People aren't so open minded yet, they're not ready to accept something so radical (I'm talking about Catholic followers the only one that I know enough, because I was raised in a mainly Catholic Country).

However I laugh so hard when people start to quote the leviticus, without knowing that the Bible has to be interpreted (the whole Catholic Church system technically exists for this purpose) due the fact that it was written years and years ago when people where much more ignorant and bonded to their pagan rituals.


A Pierrot's Aria
^ I wholeheartedly agree with you, The-Haughty-Queen. Couldn't have said it better myself.
evel
Nah. I've nothing against homosexuality, and in my opinion, no one should have. I mean, why, what's so bad about loving someone - no one comes and judges you because of it (and if someone does, then that guy is a jerk). Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you can't have opinion, that would be just as stupid, I just don't understand myself why gays and lesbians should prefer as worse people than straights.

And I don't really understand why gays should be worse people because bible says so. I mean.. It's just some book what was written hundreds of years ago. Thoughts were different, world was different, and who wrote it? Normal people, not the god himself. Then again I don't like christianity and I don't believe in god.

So, I don't see what's wrong with gay marriage, but neither I see why people should go and get married. Man am I positive today. XD
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