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marktse
Did anyone else notice parallel dead people in the movie. Most of them are all dead people from the series. Except Glacia, (who comically has softspot/crush on Ed). Anyone see any living parallel people other than her?

Hughes as a Nazi police officer or a nationalist socialist party member was the first obvious dead person. King Bradley as a Jewish film maker. Scar and lust in as a gypsy couple the end of the movie are obvious too.

Noa and Roze seem to be similar.

I noticed Alphonse Heinrich's rocket development team consisted of aaryan versions of the Lab5 special ops chimeras. The beast chimera, the dog samurai, the lizard thing. Makes you kinda wonder if Alphonse and Martyl have thing going on that world.

King Bradley had an assisstant that was a parallel Lyra

I want to say i saw a German Dr Shou Tucker in the hospital but could be my imagination.

Its sort of weird seeing hughes very humorless and racist. I mean the Hughes we all know and love has great dead pan humor, A great roll model and also sees the truth for himself. Although Hughes as a nazi socialist you can tell he cares about Ed's best interest when he warns him about the gypsies. But his strictness was something that was reminicent of Mustang. Which I hoped they'd ahve a parallel Mustang becuase hughes and mustang have friendship that very unique and it'd be nice to see the rolls reversed, Maybe a jestful and light hearted Colonel Mustang talking about his baby with Hawkeye all the time.

I was happy to see the elusions to Scar and lust together. It confirms what I've always felt from the series but never flat out told to me in the dialogue. I mean Scar loved the person Lust was based on and Lust had difficulty expressing how she was flattered that he protected her.
Sin Of Envy
I think we all [who have seen the movie] noticed that, I thought Hughes was alive again but did you notice how almost every of those characters has oposite personality over the gate. Hughes was good but over the gate he's evil... unsure.gif
Popogeejo
Hughes wasn't evil,he's just going along with the social norms.most people hated the Gypsies.In the end Hughes did good though.


When did Garcia have a softspot for Ed?I thought she was just being motherly to them,letting them stay above her shop.
CsSxPlay3r
Is the movie in English? sorry but i just got into the series just like 2 weeks ago (but i saw all the epps! Just saw the last one yesterday!) anyway any word would be helpful!
Sin Of Envy
QUOTE(CsSxPlay3r @ Apr 5 2006, 06:56 AM) [snapback]374905[/snapback]

Is the movie in English? sorry but i just got into the series just like 2 weeks ago (but i saw all the epps! Just saw the last one yesterday!) anyway any word would be helpful!


Welcome! I don't think it is yet, should be soon....
But there is movie with english sub though...

CsSxPlay3r
Thx for the welcome smile.gif!

And thx for telling me...i just finshed the series yesterday nad im really sad...lol because i want them to continue to make more...
Sin Of Envy
QUOTE(CsSxPlay3r @ Apr 5 2006, 07:22 AM) [snapback]374920[/snapback]

Thx for the welcome smile.gif!

And thx for telling me...i just finshed the series yesterday nad im really sad...lol because i want them to continue to make more...


We all do unsure.gif . But still if you didn't see there is FMA OVA [Original Video Animation] and Manga.


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Hughes wasn't evil,he's just going along with the social norms.most people hated the Gypsies.In the end Hughes did good though.


Real Hughes wouldn't do that ;~;
Tombow
@marktse - Welcome to our board!! smile.gif

All FMA "Shambara" movie discussions are done in our FMA movie sub-forum, so that we don't spoil ones who hasn't seen the movie yet. (Including this discussion, I believe.)

And, we have a forum full of various threads on the FMA movie there, such as this Movie summary thread where we already have discussions on AlterHoughes, and AlterAl and AlterBradley, and Rose, and much more, and this Fma Movie Thoughts thread.
I think you can post your opinion on any of those threads and continue the discussion there. smile.gif


(ETA: Thank you Mod-sama for moving this thread to Movie forum!! happy.gif)

marktse
Thanks for welcoming me.

I don't think Hughes was evil. He was actually looking out for ed. He warned him about gypsies cuase he was concerned. He was sort of blinded by ideals of the socialist party and thats out of character becuase Hughes is normally anaytical and lighthearted. BUt he was really trying to do good. Also many Nazi's weren;t evil. They just were taught to hate but they're people too and thats someting FMA tried to dispell. People are different, but its okay. Just because Ishbalan's have red eyes it made him alittle scared. Fear leads to heatred. (Geez I sound like Yoda here.) Hatred leads to evil acts. Hughes more or less tried to protect Ed and keep him away from the Nazi party. It'd be nice to see him loosen up and be more light hearted after Glacia takes a liking to him. Or maybe see a lighthearted mustang talk about his children with Hawkeye ^_~

As far as Glacia having a softspot for Ed, I think in the Japanese translation Glacia says something like do I really remind you of your mother? or maybe girlfriend? and Ed smiles and says nah, nothing like that. Then later when he had seen Hughes, Hughes was like you ought to consider not living with a Gypsy, think of poor Glacia. and Ed goes why don't you confess to Glacia yourself how you feel?
Nepharski
Actually, I'm pretty confident that Mabuse is not a parallel of King Bradley, per se, but a parallel of the man Bradley was based off of.
The Great Asparagus
after watching the movie like 5 times, i noticed some people in the beginning at the carnival thing, hanging out with the rocket thing, and they looked lil the ppl from devil's nest. biggrin.gif
Kel
Yah, I noticed the Rose-Noa thing as soon as we see her in the wagon with the cloak (it looked like Rose's 'holy mother' attire) and I did notice the chimeras-rocket workers thing. Also an obvious one was at the end we see scar and lust as normal people in the wagon, and ed and al are like *omg* :3
Popogeejo
I still refuse to belive that Noah is Alter-Rose. They don't look alike and don't act the same way.
Yoku_Aijin
QUOTE(popogeejo @ May 13 2006, 01:21 PM) [snapback]394692[/snapback]

I still refuse to belive that Noah is Alter-Rose. They don't look alike and don't act the same way.



Well, an alter ego isn't supposed to act the same but...

I agree with you, I thought so in the beginning of the movie but not anymore.
Tombow
QUOTE(Nepharski @ Apr 8 2006, 11:46 PM) [snapback]376613[/snapback]
Actually, I'm pretty confident that Mabuse is not a parallel of King Bradley, per se, but a parallel of the man Bradley was based off of.
I agree that that is probably more accurate way of seeing it. smile.gif

QUOTE(popogeejo @ May 13 2006, 03:21 PM) [snapback]394692[/snapback]
I still refuse to belive that Noah is Alter-Rose. They don't look alike and don't act the same way.
I know what you mean. I watched the movie, and didnot realize Noah is supposedly Alter!Rose untill I read the posts by others stating that.
MeLRizA
I already knew about Hughes, Glacia and King Bradley.. The others kinda surprised me as I didn't notice them in the movie ohmy.gif .. Thanks for the info wink.gif
At least I understood what happened between the 2 Als in the movie and Noa isn't Roze huh.gif.. BTW, did Elycia and Glacia died in the alchemy world? I have been wondering about this. Towards the end of the movie, bofore Ed decided to separate himself from Al in the alchemy world, I saw a kid's hand and a teddy under the debris of a house which looked like Hughes'.. blink.gif
Popogeejo
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BTW, did Elycia and Glacia died in the alchemy world? I have been wondering about this. Towards the end of the movie, bofore Ed decided to separate himself from Al in the alchemy world, I saw a kid's hand and a teddy under the debris of a house which looked like Hughes'.


I very highly doubt it for two reasons:
1) All ruined houses ook alike.
2) Hughes house had a fromnt garden, the one with the flat kid didn't.
3) Wouldn't the director have made it more clear if they are killing important characters?
MeLRizA
Aa- ok.. Because the gate of that house looked familiar to me.. Anyway, its good to hear that they didn't die.. Elycia is too cute and innocent to die..
Popogeejo
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Elycia is too cute and innocent to die..


[spoiler]What about Wrath? He were innocent and cute adn died. sad.gif [/spoiler]
Tombow
QUOTE(popogeejo @ May 24 2006, 04:38 AM) [snapback]400091[/snapback]
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Elycia is too cute and innocent to die..

[spoiler]What about Wrath? He were innocent and cute adn died. sad.gif [/spoiler]

Well, Nina was also cute and innocent, and died horrible death in FMA series... sad.gif
Nepharski
If this hasn't been brought up, I'm fairly certain the Carnival manager is Frank Archer's parallel.

I was actually hoping the movie would play the parallel card a lot further. Other than Alphonse, Hughes, and Bradley, it seemed more as if it was just thrown in for the fans. Granted, it probably was, but I would have liked to have seen a few more characters, playing a somewhat bigger role.
paca
there aren't to much parallele character. Most (but not all) of them are died in hagaren. I have seen greed fellas, working with al . H at the movie.
fmaPHSYCO
Noa is alter Rose? blink.gif
pickledevil
Didn't anyone notice AlterEd? He wasn't in the movie though, but in the series. Ed took over his body and then AlterEd died in a fire. It seems to me that Ed and Al are replacing their alter selves. Ed replaces AlterEd after he dies, then Al replaces Hendriech..(sp?)
sachiko hyuuchi
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QUOTE(popogeejo @ May 24 2006, 04:38 AM) [snapback]400091[/snapback]
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Elycia is too cute and innocent to die..

[spoiler]What about Wrath? He were innocent and cute adn died. sad.gif [/spoiler]

Well, Nina was also cute and innocent, and died horrible death in FMA series... sad.gif
Don't forget about the Fuhrer's son, Bradley killed him himself. He was innocent (what WAS he doing with the skull though?)


So much people changed. The Bradly lookalike was a good guy. The Hughes lookalike is way to serious compared to the other one. Ed wasn't made fun of his size (which is VERY weird since it used to be like a normal part of his life), he grew serious, anti-social and talks to "outsiders" like the gypsy girl, probably seeing himself in noah.
well Envy was still evil but WRATH! he actually turned out to be not-evil 0.0

the Lyra lookalike wasn't evil either, but the antagonist, (forgot name) whom is supposed to resemble Dante doesn't look a thing like her.
Al looked A LOT like Ed though not as short and short-tempered. *coughcough*

Another thing i'm wondering is. How come Al can transmute without circles? the Al in the armour could not do that and thus he shouldn't have the ability. There are circles on his gloves, some says that it's for attaching some of his soul to the armoured people but we saw him and ed transmute other stuff while fighting the Thule Society.

If people can do that then no one would have to pay the passage fee to the "gate" thing. -.-

I really hope they would be back in Amestris though. Poor Winry
Popogeejo
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Another thing i'm wondering is. How come Al can transmute without circles? the Al in the armour could not do that and thus he shouldn't have the ability.


you ask a question...

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There are circles on his gloves,


Then you answer it yourself.
Al has transmutaion circles on his gloves like Roy. these allow him to preform several transmutaions.
Becca-chan
Just on the note of the human Lab-5 Chimera's working as the alternate Alphonse's team-mates.

I can easily see Roa ( Law) , Dorchette.. and Bido..I think.

But there's also one with a tache' and little goatee there at the far right.. and I really don't think that's Wolf.. the facial structure doesn't fit.. could it be Greed? that expression does look familar.
sweety_pie
It can't be Greeds alter, the human he was made from died over 130 years ago.( I think)
Popogeejo
Looks more like Yoki to me. Greed had a bigger noes.
sweety_pie
What does it say at the bottom? I don't speak...Spanish?
Becca-chan
Hmm.. I guess your right, it's just that I needed confirmation on who it could of been, thanks ^^;

Sorry Sweetie-Pie, I don't know what it says on the subtitle.. I don't speak Spanish either unfortunatly ^^;
It's just that I was watching the movie with spanish subtitles on you-tube yesterday..I was playing " spot how many people from the other world are there"

And just to say from someone else's post earlier.. Frank Archer's alternate is the circus manager..albeit looking much older than his alchemy world counterpart.


Tombow
QUOTE(sweety_pie @ Aug 12 2006, 05:22 PM) *
What does it say at the bottom? I don't speak...Spanish?
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I think it says "You are the pride of the German race" or something like that...
I vaguely remember the movie scene. (Very vaguely) happy.gif
Chiyo
Yes I think your right Tombow, it says 'Germany' anyway. Or maybe thats 'Germany' in French...
sweety_pie
Thanks Tombow. Now I remember the scene you're talking about.
Edamame
QUOTE(sweety_pie @ Aug 12 2006, 10:22 PM) [snapback]431938[/snapback]

What does it say at the bottom? I don't speak...Spanish?



It says that: "You are all the pride of the German race"

**Sorry, you answered before me Tombow. That is the correct translation though.
Winter Phantom
I think I saw a Alter Tucker as one of the drinking guys Alter Hughes was hanging out with.
spectre_vampire
When I saw Noa's character in the movie, I thought "OMG, she looks just like Rose." I know I can't be the only one who thinks this so let's set the record straight: who thinks Noa's Rose's Earth doppelganger?
Fushi
I do. Saw tons of similarity in appearance, and the situations Noa was in weren't really that different from Rose's, imo.

Both are also just as hated by the fanbase, hur.
coyote_sprit
No because their is an Ishbalan/Ishvalan in Amestris who looks like Noa.
Celeste Nayamashii
I think Noah was meant to be Rose's counterpart, yes. Ummm coyote_sprit, I don't remember any Isbalan looking like Noah O_o
Chiyo
Noa=Rose thread merged with 'I See Dead People'...and to put my point in where it should be...

Sloth/Trisha = Dietlinde Eckart, honest if you concentrate on just the face especially the eyes, mostly Sloth rather than original Trisha

Eckart


Sloth
Celeste Nayamashii
Hmmm I don't really see it. Not to mention that I think the brothers would have reacted a lot more strongly to her if she did resemble their mother.
coyote_sprit
Episode 36 when the Ishbalans are getting off the trains their is one that looks like Noah.
Chiyo
QUOTE(Winry_Rockbell83 @ Oct 28 2007, 07:06 PM) *
Hmmm I don't really see it. Not to mention that I think the brothers would have reacted a lot more strongly to her if she did resemble their mother.


I thought that too, but Sloth remained fairly 'disguised'. I'm mainly looking at the features, same shaped eyes, nose and lips...people think Eckart is alter Lyra but the lips are completely different.
Celeste Nayamashii
Yeah, the eyes are similar to Sloth's now that I look at it and the lips as well. She's not alter Lyra/Dante because we saw the alter Lyra/Dante when Ed and Fritz Lang were having tea.

coyote_sprit, I went back and watched it but I highly doubt that the creators would base Noah off of someone from Amestris that was only seen in the show for 2 seconds.
swirlees
i'm pretty sure noa is supposed to be rose's counterpart. but the thing is ishbalans are parallel to gypsies, and rose is definitely not ishbalan, so it's kind of weird.
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She's not alter Lyra/Dante because we saw the alter Lyra/Dante when Ed and Fritz Lang were having tea.

it's only lyra since dante lived 400 years ago.
ladykylie
the reality world is the world after people in alchemist world who were dead to go (mainly)
xXdark_angel_nekoXx
you are all correct the people that you have seen in the other world where ed is living at is the same people but different from the al's world. happy.gif
FullTylerStarke
Hughes wife wasn't dead and she was still there, but thhat was already mentioned sorry
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