If you think about it Envy's lines make sense because they are on his forehead going right into the brain. All of the people and voices he has memorized would probably be affected if he couldn't use his brain properly.

<Merged "Creating A Homunculus, how does it work?" thread with the following five posts here. ^^ 02/03/07 ~Tombow>


I couldn't really find a topic about it while searching and I tried a few keyword. I'm sorry if its been made before ^^;

Ok, so in the manga it been long made clear that homunculi are created in a different way than in the anime. However even after 67 chapters we still don't know how Envy, Lust and the lot were made exactly.

We know that Wrath and Greed!Ling were created by inserting a PS into their bodies. But we also know that that is definitely not the case for the others.

Also from our understand they are created by creating a body around a true Philosopher's Stone. But how does it work? Do you need a tranmutation circle? material?

And from a scene in chapter 57, it becomes even more confusing. Apparently Reborn!Gluttony is getting made IN father Oo... which sorta makes him a mother too lol . So is father the only being able to create homunculi?

Discuss

I believe we're using this topic as our all purpose homunculus thread =)

How to create a homunculus:

Ingredients:
- sugar
- spice
- everything nice
- Most important: 'Chemical X'

Steps:

1. Mix them all together with a pot.
2. TADAA!

xD that's just amazing! I have all that stuff at home D: I'm making a homunculus tonight

^^ Cute!!

That "recipe" aside (XDD), I agree with Summoner Colette, and merging this to Manga FMA Homuncli! What are they? How are they created? thread.

ETA: Thread merged.

Not at all. As they said in the Manga, human life is composed of the body, mind, and soul (or as VIZ would translate it, "Body, soul, and spirit"). In terms of "Body" or physical composition, humans and Homunculi are exactly the same, thus "The same elements as people." However, where as human beings have a mind and soul as the center of their conciousness, Homunculi have the souls in the Philosopher's Stone.

I don't know if I should ask this here or make a new thread since its a tad bit off topic. But I wondered do the homunculi have the same DNA as humans? In the manga (and in the anime) technology hasn't advance that far yet to know but what does everyone else think?

I think it probably differs, sorta like a mutation type thing that might account for their powers. otherwise I think it probably be human.

you inject the philosopher's stone or something into their bodies, and if they survive, they become homonculi

gross so it's like a parasite?

Just what is Chemical X? Except from that one, I got all other igredients me too xP

Okay, just another question.
-What will happen to Ling if Greed!Ling dies?

I believe Ling is still alive, it's just that he got philosopher's stone inside him and had control over Ling D: I think that Ling might also die if the power of Greed!philosopher's stone worn out. But but~ Ling ish still alive! O_o (All confused)
The same goes to Wrath!King Bradley.



-Thinking of something crazy for myself- They used living human to make homunculus (Greed!Ling & Wrath!Bradley), but "father" also seem to 'making' a new Gluttony out of his own body? >_> -Thinks even more- We don't really know how father made Lust and Envy.... Uhm... What about Sloth?

Mou~!! Wakaranai! >_<

Only for Wrath and the new Greed. the others were apparently created from scratch. So they weren't the result of an inserted Philosopher's stone. Take Gluttony for example: he was perposely made by father in hopes to create a gate within him (probably to reach Truth or something). This isn't 100% clear but its highly likely he's a full experiment and never was human.

Also homunculi in the manga are described as: Artificial humans. In other words they're fake.
Like fake crab meat they aren't actually crab meat, just other meat products put together to appear and taste like crab meat.
Hope this simile makes sense.

The DNA question, IMHO, is completely unimportant. There hasn't yet been a mention of DNA and genetic material in FMA, and therefore I doubt that it will have a major effect on the storyline in the future, if at all.

Regarding the creation of inhuman homunculi, we do have a bunch of information that we can draw on.

First: Homunculi need a PS.
Second: The PS used in a homunculus is imperfect.
Third: Homunculi get their energy from Father
Fourth: Homunculi have a residing sin which is a seperate entity.
Fifth: Homunculi are composed of many, many souls.
Sixth: Father can influence the creation of homunculi

Looking at all of these, my guess is that homunculi are 'grown' from the PS seed. Whether the sin is assigned to a stone, or whether souls which were guilty of that sin tend to group, making a PS with that sin as it's reigning entity is unknown, but one or the other would happen at some point during the process. I personally feel as though the stones are comprised of likeminded souls- Envy's stone has envious souls, Lust's had those who were lustful, and Greed's has those who were greedy. However, that's just speculation. In any case, it seems to me as the most likely way that homunculi are created is in a very similar way to the way Gluttony is being regrown- within Father. This allows Father to control the sin, control the initial bodily form, and to even attempt to make an imperfect Door, such as Gluttony was.

In any case- homunculi do not always need human bodies. They simply need souls and energy, likely from Father's stone. The rest is just guesswork.

So what category do people like Homeheim and Kimbley fit? They both (apparently for Hoho unknown reasons- as shown in chapter 67 page 36) use philosopher stones in their body, yet they are not homunculi.

About Hohenheim... it's yet unknown, just like Daddy. But Kimbley is just a human. In order for a PS to transform someone into an hommunculus it must get mixed into the human's blood stream, whereas Zolfie kept (keeps?) it in his stomach/digestive system.

I'm a little confused about the homunculi's true forms. Especially Envy.

We've seen Gluttony's, Envy's, and Greed's true forms. Why don't the other homunculi have other forms, like Lust? Also, when Father first created these homunculi, does that mean that when they were born, they were in the shape of their true forms? (As in, why would Father want to create something that looks like Envy's monster self...)

Envy's true form doesn't have the tattoo, either. Does that mean that when he takes changes into the usual young human form, he chose to have a tattoo on his body?

Sorry that this is very ambiguous, but I'm confused.

Remember, Envy's true form had an awful lot of legs. Any one of those could have had the Oroborus seal.

I think Bradley's power is his eye can see through numerous filters.
For instance, he may be able to see infrared or the wind currents or
even through certain objects depending on the distance.The reason I don't think
Bradley does not transmute is because he's a special type of homunculus .
Remember when in volume 8 the homunculus talk about how [spoiler]Bradley is an aging
homunculus.I've seen a chapter where Bradley talks about when scientists injected the imperfect philosopher's stone into his body,making him a homunculus.[/spoiler]

The lines on Lust, Greed and Gluttony may just be decor or they might be for
transporting philosophers stone into certain parts of there body faster than
veins.


ETA: April 18

I looked on wikipedia and actually homunculus are mythical creatures that are created by mixing various ingredients and putting it in dung for several days,you're supposedly suppose
to hatch a miniature human being. aka: a homunculus!(gross, huh?) But I think
Arakawa made it much more interesting!



<Merged two consecutive postings, (a.k.a. "double posting" on our board.) ^^ 04/18/07 ~Tombow>

Yap, I think we have that posted on one of the anime homuncluli threads. ^^
We can discuss those in FMA anime forum. ^^

But... let's stay focusing on the aspect of Homuncli that are unique to FMA manga on this thread.

~ Why Some Homunculus Have Human-like Eyes, And Some Don't?, snakey eyes, cat-like eyes, whatever you want to call them. ~

Lust has(now it's she used to have, hehe) snakey eyes, Envy has'em, Gluttony... I don't know.

Wrath has normal human eyes, but Greedling has snakey eyes. And Greed before Greedling had'em too.
Pride(now we know it's Selim), I don't know. Does he? Eyes in the shadow has snakey eyes, but Selim himself doesn't have them.


Maybe Father just randomly choose. Because if the reason for having normal human eyes are human-based homunculus, then Greedling doesn't proove that too good.


Oh, I almost forgot Sloth. He and Gluttony probably will remain as just the circular eyes forever(until the end of FMA!).


What's with the sudden, or not too sudden randomness?!

Well, if they all had the same eyes, they wouldn't be as characteristic as they're supposed to be. That say that the eyes are the window to the soul, so if their eyes should be different to describe them a bit.

Er, they all have human-like eyes because they have the exact same appearance as any human.

Except for Gluttony, ew.

If Greed!Ling had normal eyes, it would explain Wrath's eyes, as we could have deduced that when the philosopher's stone turns humans into homonculi, their eyes stay the same. I think Sloth and Gluttony's eyes are that way because their minds are basically blank, though.

I think that maybe the point of Greed!Ling's "homunculus" eyes was to show that
he is now a homunculus? And as far as Selim's eyes, I have a sneaking suspicion that Selim's eyes are blank because he isn't really Pride, and that Pride is just "possesing" him.

I tend to disagree because when Nina went chimera style she had the same eyes but she definitely had a mind full of thought. I think its more of a monster feel there trying to get through, you know blank eyes are creepy more than a sign of lack of thought. Plus I think Sloth thinks alot like... how everything sucks xD but I do get your view.

They all have eyes that suit the rest of their appearances...but Envy can charge what he looks like.

hmmm maybe bradley just has reeeeeaaally beady eyes?

My theory is that they all have one or more of those garnet? (well, dark-reddish) reptilian eyes, let's call 'em "the H -for Hommunculi- eyes", altho' not necessarily in them ocular cavities. You must take a look at each case separatedly, let's see:

- Pride: He has them, most certainly. Lotsa 'em in the shadow. Why Selim himself doesn't have them? Maybe because he's possessed (my theory too at the beginning, now I rather think it's not the case, tho'. Dunno), maybe because since the eyes don't need to be in their place and in Pride's case they're already in the shadow, Daddy could make normal eyes for him?

- Lust: Built the usual way, nothing special about her, them eyes are where they belong.

- Greed: Same ol'.

- Envy: He has 'em, that's for certain. No matter the shape, altho' it seems he can hide them when on a human or animal one: They tend to appear on dramatic moments, specially when he's acting evil/revealing his true nature, so can't tell if he's literally capable of making them dis/appear at will, or just a dramatic plot device, with the eyes being actually always visible.
The weird thing is, in his true form he only has them in the left eye... And so many -Yuck-

- Sloth: Figures... we haven't been able to directly see his eyes yet, always weirdly shadowed over. This is the one that intrigues me the most. What it seems clear, tho' is that he may not have right eye, as one of those red lines 'n circles is right over it. Wikipedia says it's a mask... to them, I say.

- Gluttony: Another case like Pride... The "H eye" already being somewhere else (in this case, acting as the Doors of Truth's eye), his "regular" eyes can be different. Since I guess "realism" was not sth father was considering when creating Gluttony, he just went on with those small, "blank" ones.

- Wrath: He doesn't have them. Yes, I know what I said, but let's take a look at his eyes: his right eye is normal, human, the eye the "nameless candidate" had, and the left one has the ouroboros. Now, if we take a look at the other half-blood hommunculus ( ;p )...
- Lingreed, what do we see? Whenever Greed's speaking, if he opens one eye, it's the left. And it's our "H eye". When it's Ling speaking, it's the right one he opens, and it's Ling's. Always: in the case he opens both, he'll be drawn far enough or with his hair conveniently over so we can't distinguish the other eye, in any case. (And it's not like he opens them that often anyway U )

What's my theory, then? Easy: that when a human-based hommunculus is made, one of the eyes transforms (maybe the left one always?) while the other one (the right?) does not, probably due precisely to their half-human nature. What I mean, then, is that Bradley would have had his eye turned into an H eye, just like Lingreed's, hadn't his ouroboros mark end up in there.

Put it another way and closing, I believe all hommunculi do have the "H eye/s", except for Wrath, just because his ouroboros ended up covering it/taking its place. With Sloth's case remaining to be seen, of course.

Whatever, I'm just bored at work

PS:

I agree with that, it's a very good, simple reason. At least design-wise, maybe not plot-wise.

EDIT: some correcshuns.

If I recall correctly from the manga, Wrath and Greed (Ling) were both created by injecting the Philosopher's Stone into an existing normal human. However, Father creates the second Gluttony from his own chest. Does any one have insight into the multiple creation possibilities of Homunculus?

Maybe these differences are a link with the plays of each homnculus when the "Promise Day" will arrive !

Father says he recreates Gluttony giving him his old reminds. Why ? Don't forget that Gluttony is a "fake Gate", not only a normal homonculus.

Wrath is a homunculus created with the using of a human, it's normal, because Wrath is the Fürher of Amestris and he has to be similar with others human.

But Greed ? The First Greed was he a human-homonculus too ? Or these two versions of Greed are differents ?

We are not answers about it, not yet. I think we will learn a lot about homonculi and Father in the "Promise Day" ^^

The standard way is Father creates the homunculi is from himself as seen with Gluttony. The original Greed was made that way as well; until Greedling, Wrath was the only human to survive the philosopher's stone injection process, Ling is a strong character and thus became the second to survive.

I'd assume as with Wrath, Ling will age as a normal human. The other homunculi obviously don't age so they must be made the standard way.

As far as we know there are those two methods, and I think probably the only methods. There is no reason to come up with new homunculi making methods this late in the series (unless Arakawa decides to resurrect Lust maybe? But Lust's stone was completely destroyed unlike Gluttony's, so she probably won't be coming back) so yeah, that should answer your question.

It might be possible to bring Lust back if a complete stone is used on the ingrediants of a human body as a core and then (if there are any) the remains of Lust as a catylist to create a second lust that would probably only differ slightly if at all. As for Gluttony he came back because when Father took Gluttony inside his chest he was 'repairing' him by fixing his almost used up philosopher's stone. although he cannot come back nw that pride has eaten him and absorbed his stone and power. http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/88/02/ i think it happened in this chapter.

There are no remains of Lust though @_@ So I really doubt that she'll be brought back...

It's too bad. She is the only female homunculus yet she is the first to disappear off the face of the series...

@AA battery - technically she was a homuncula because a homuculus is latis for 'little man' and little woman is homucula

Cartoons can take as long as they want to die because they're cartoons. |D Just like every anime/manga character can jump two thousand feet into the air whenever they feel like it and I can hardly get a few inches off the ground.

That reminds me; have Wrath or Greeling ever demonstrated a regeneration ability before? I don't think I've seen it, and if they have, I missed it. But assuming they haven't, I wonder if human-based homunculi lack that ability, or are at least a lot more mortal than the from-scratch homunculi? I remember Greed saying something like 'you almost killed me!' during the battle, and Fuu telling Greed to protect Ling with his shield. Perhaps this means nothing; Greed could have meant 'killed' in a sense that he would be forced to regenerate, and Fuu would be naturally protective of Ling, but I'm led to wonder.

Greeling should have it, as had the Greed before him. Wrath has never been injured before, his actual injury is quite bad (for a human), and it seems he got his "godlike" eye injured. He will die soon, I tell you. In his state, Ran Fan should have an easy time killing him or something.

As for the "almost killed me", remember the times when other homunculi said "I died". XD

Yeah in chapter 99 Ling gets a couple cuts and he regenerates. It's just not very noticeable.

ling lost a whole arm at one point, gluttoney ate it xD

How do I miss these things? xD My bad, theory dismissed.
You'd think the human-based homunculi would be a little more different than the others, besides the aging part. I guess when your heart is a Philosopher's Stone it wouldn't make sense to have other weaknesses, though. Dunno. x3;

Wow, how do you notice all these details? I need to seriously analyse the entire manga and make up a few theories.
Hmm, what do you think's going to happen to Breda, Maria Ross etc? Or has Arakawa allready explained that detail and I'm just too thick to notice...?

i questioned something similar to this ages ago, Greeling can regenerate, Wrath can't, Wrath only has one soul whereas Greed's made up of many, so if Bradley gets hit he probably can't heal (unless he heals like a normal human)

That's right! Ling and LanFan said that they can't sense multiple souls in Wrath like they can with the other homunculi, so he's got nothing to draw regenerative power from. If that's right, then Wrath's done for just with the one wound he's got- not to mention, with that cliffhanger of Greed jumping him almost like Heinkel jumped Kimbley earlier, he's gonna be really hurt soon, I bet. Even if he can regenerate, I doubt he could come back to life if he's only got one soul.

But wasn't Wrath injected with the philosphers stone? A lot like Ling, actually, who had it poured into a wound...
Maybe not being sensed by Ling + Ranfan is connectd to the fact that he can age. A lot of the other Hommunculi don't realy respect him, because he's 'young' and isn't really like the others.

Ehh, I'm pretty sure he'll be dead by next chp, if not, chp. 101. But I still have a feeling his human side might overcome his Hommculiness and umm, do stuff.

yeh XD i asked this cause i was confused how the xingese people could scense greeling when they couldnt sence wrath, apparently it was because wrath's host fought the stone, and all its energy was used to overtake him, it specifically sais 'only one soul was left alone with this feeling of wrath, whether that was my original soul or just a soul from the PS stone i dont know' i dunno if thats what it exactly sais but pretty much XD however ling accepted Greed, and his body is therefore composed of many souls, they were created in the same way but the result was different

Ohh, I see. That probably explains his ageing, seeing as he can't take energy from other souls to remain looking young/regenerate... I wonder what will happen to GreedLing when all this is over (if they survive), I think there's a stong possibility he'll stay as GreedLing, for, well, forever...