Hmmm...it was good....I have seen the ending several times in Japanese...and this episode is INCREDIBLE in the japanese.

There were quite a few changes in the script...some I didn't mind..others I did. I guess I just need to watch it again.

Vic...Did amazing! I hand it to him....I was so sad....

Aaron..I thought he did good too...he's improved throughout the show....but some of those moments, just don't beat the feel of the original....the intensity of the moment.

And at the end...wasn't it Winry who narrorated?...Because...yea...it should have stayed Winry....for sentimental purposes..

Overall...the episode itself...amazing...the dubbing....when NOT being compared to the original..wonderful!...When you know lines from the Japanse by heart...not too bad then...

It was Archer. He got in one shot before dying running away. But come on RoyXRiza fans thank Archer for bringing in that fanservice. Without him Riza wouldn't end up taking care of him like so.

Am I the only one who heard the New Yorker accent in Envy's voice when he turned into his true form as Dante and Hoho's son?

[spoiler] She claimed that she got there too late. I don't remember Archer even unloading a round, but the mouth gun was exposed. It would be interesting if it were her bullet, but I'd doubt it.[/spoiler]

I think the real question right now is, do I watch the subbed movie? or do I wait till October?

... You know, I'm always thinking that, and always feeling awful for it because I only ever encounter fans who really like the dub, especially Aaron because 'he does such a good job for his age'.

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In the Japanese it's not clear, there's never any sign or sound that Archer ever fired a single shot.

Winry didn't do the end narration in the dub? Who did? I liked Winry doing it, I thought it worked well. Oh yeah [spoiler] why did Al go back to Izumi? He remembered his prevous training with Ed (he lost his memories from after they tried to transmute mom). Did he just want to learn even more? AND did anyone find the conversations a little bizarre? Between Ed and Envy it SHOULD have been
Ed: You BASTARD, you killed me! Why are you here?!
Envy: You BASTARD, I killed you! Why are you here?!
Instead we get So where are we? The gate....blah, blah, blah, it's like a relatively normal convesation between them. Then you have Rose and Ed. Ed I can kinda understand but it's still
Ed: What happened?
Rose: Al transmuted your dead body.
Ed: Oh, where is he?
Rose: He disappeared.
Ed: He did?
Rose: Yeah, so we better go now I guess.
Ed: Okay, just a minute.

AND THAT'S one of the reasons I don't like Rose. How insensitive can you be? Oh well, looks like Al is gone, let's go Ed. Maybe they made it a little better in the dub (haven't seen it yet) but that's how it is in the Japanese. [/spoiler]

I was pretty bummed. I've watched the last ep subbed over and over. The parts that got changed bugged me. like when Riza yelled out to Mustang. I liked the subbed version better, it was touching. It went "Colonel.. Colonel!! Roy Mustang!" and also the last half when Winry was talking directly to the audience. I thought it was cute, tho they changed it to Scheizka(sp?) and Winry writing letters to eachother.

Its finally over for the English dubbed. I really wonder what they're gonna show now. Reflection Episode? Or was that a fan-made thing? I still want more FMA tho. grr.

Okay, it sounds like they changed the line. In the subbed Riza says, "Colonel...Colonel!! Roy Mustang!" but in the dub she says, "I got here to late?" See they leave it ambigious in the sub as to who shot Roy but they change the lines in the dub make it without question Archer. So if you go by the original subbed version it could have been Riza.

Can I cope? Am I coping? *pokes arms* Hmm... think I'm okay. Deep breaths. Okay. Okay.

[spoiler]Well, I think my biggest disappointment is actually the Fuhrer's son plot device twist. I think I was looking for something more proleptically ironic than the foreshadowing of Epi. 50 where it's all "you hold my life in yours hands... oooooh." I mean, it wasn't really irony of situation for us, because you totally expected the son (Silem? Slain? I dunno...) to come back and bring the skull. I suppose it could be irony of situation for Pride, because he thought he had it all planned out and expected Mustang to die just like that and instead his son comes back with his skull. Meh meh. I'm rambling. It just seemed like "Hi! I'm the Fuhrer's son, aka Plot Device Kid! Sweeping away problems of homunculus nature with a dimple of my cheek! Is it a Mary Sue? Is it fan service? No! It's Plot Device Kid!"[/spoiler]

Fwah. I think rambling is just my way of coping. *tries to get worked up over "Brothers" recording* I think I'll re-watch it subbed tonight...

Well...Bradley does have a son in the Manga too...so he's not just there to be there...

Well, the son acutally is in the Manga as well as the Anime. They just changed it in the Anime to make it what you said. In the Manga he's actually cuter, "I wanna meet the bean Alchemist! I wanna meet the bean Alchemist!" If Ed and the kid ever meet in the Manga it'll be trouble because the kid thinks Ed walks on water BUT he only will refer to him as the short or shortest Alchemist.

I know. I just was hoping Bradley's death would be a little more surprising. I guess it couldn't be, since we already knew how Homunculus died. Greed was a surprise. Lust was because we didn't see it coming. Sloth was because we weren't sure what Ed would do with his "mother." Envy... well, yeah, there's that... Wrath, ditto. Gluttony... that was some nice poetic justice. So, I guess I was just hoping for a bit more.

Did anyone else hate Dante and Rose's dresses? Lyla/Lyra has excessively bad taste and Dante is guilty likewise, since she picked them out.

I think Mason/Rose would be a cute couple.

Oh yeah, good parts of this episode. Return of Mason and Leo!

Bad question, I know but I could never figure it out. Is the Fuhrer's son alive? Or did Roy just want to save the corpse? Same for the Fuhrer's wife, what happened to her?

@The Three Rs- I agree with the dress thing. Dante doesn't have good tastes in my opinion.

In the Japanese version, Archer doesn't fire his gun. I heard no shots or anything till Riza came and shot him numerous times, all shot coming from her gun, unless of course Archer, in his surprise, still managed to fire his gun at Roy at the EXACT same time as Riza fired on him. Still waiting 40 minutes to see the translation, so I don't know how that will hold up, but to anyone who's seen the original, there is little to question in the manner of "Who shot the sheriff"?

Oh, and Archer fans should watch the movie. His parallel counterpart appears briefly.

I believe the son was dead and Roy was just getting his body out so he could get a proper burial. Bradley snapped the kid's neck and threw him in a corner so I don't think he survived. Also, with a broken neck, Roy wouldn't have been able to pick him up and move him if he were alive.

As for the wife, someone said she was killed in some crossfire but I don't remember that happening. It's possible she lived.

Nepharski- Yeah, I'm not the only one who thinks it might accidentally have been Riza!! Yes, in the Japanese they really set it up like it was her. There's also some dialogue at the end in the Japanese that supposedly hints to that but I can't remember what it is.

Re: Bradley's Son: Dead or Alive? Was wondering the same thing. Considering the tally of people considered dead and were not dead was about, what, three? I think to balance it he would have to be. Actually, I don't think Bradley was on him long enough to actually kill him. Didn't seem so, anyway.

EDIT: But, good points on Jedi's part. I'll have to watch it again.

I feel bad for the Fuhrer's wife. I'm too hazed to go into speculation right now, but it must have been an awfully crappy relationship with "the all-seeing eye."

Re: Leo/Rick scene. I love how the exile, who caused Scar's brother to attempt a human transmutation which dominoed effect into many important and angsty parts of the series on many people's parts gets away pretty much scot free with only a dorky looking tattoo

Edit: Never mind, we're posting so fast I think we're overlapping. Now it's the wait for the dub of the movie!

[spoiler]The circus manager? For a while I thought that could be him but I haven't seen the full movie yet... I could see Archer as a nazi though. No real suprise there.[/spoiler]

Thanks for the answers and I guess I'll have to watch the episode again a few times to see. Oh and as for Archer and Riza's shots. I always assmed it was Archer who had fired but I never paid a good amount of attention to see. Thanks all for the information.

As for that exile, nyeh. He's a old man, maybe he had a lot of drama when he was young?

The old guy missed the Chinese curse of "may you live in interesting times?" Or perhaps he just passed it off onto Scar's brother.

Jedi: Regarding son, see EDIT above



I think it would be amusing to have Archer be something completely opposite from himself. Like an anti-war activist or something.




So is that what Ed can look forward to in about seven decades or so? *chuckle*

[spoiler] Archer was in the movie?[/spoiler]

I have weird fantasies of Salim being alive and Roy adopting him.

Did anyone catch the line Al said to Winry, about getting back together and forming a team? THAT made me cry. [spoiler]I hate the movie even more now. [/spoiler]

Oh, and the Riza scream. I was waiting for her to start wailing. What a disapointment. And I didn't like what they did to the last Royai scene.

I was very surprised how well they did this final episode. Don't get me wrong, I knew it would be good, but I wasn't sure how they could fit the finale in one episode (all the "loose ends" left from ep. 50). So, Im definitely pleasantly surprised in that regard.

That being said, this episode definitely left me wanting more. Oh well, I still haven't seen the movie so I have that to look forward to (though it has been suggested by many here that the movie is no where near the standards of the anime).

Can't say anything about this epi, except it really made me cry when I first saw it...

Jedi: [spoiler]Why were you excepting such a converstation between Ed and Envy? What tells you he hadn't changed his mind, just a little, about him? He would not have told him where Hoho was and tried to stop him, even though, it certainly didn't matter anymore for him. He was still in shock, and thought he'd failed because he didn't restore his brother's body, and certainly would not see him ever again, well, not until his death.[/spoiler]

By the way, the one who did Hoho and Dante's son's voice, it was the one who did Havoc's also. Mike, I think he's called. Don't know if it has been said before...

So, all you have to do is watch out for the movie now!

Yeah I just watched it after finishing the series...I wasn't impressed.

[spoiler]It just boggled my mind watching that. It was nowhere near the quality of the series. The ending just made me mad; the fact they left everything. I'm probably going to pretend I didn't watch it, and just claim the series as the end of the show.[/spoiler]

@ napes (after reading spoiler)

It is as I feared then... I have yet to find someone who really enjoyed it!

I still have to watch it though, no matter how well done (or not well done, it appears) the movie is.

I enjoyed it.I see no problems with it.It was more of an epilouge episode with 50 as the finale IMO but still damn good.

Wow....I screeched at my T.V. during the commercial then stared blankly at the screen when the episode was over. My exact thoughts, 'OMG OMG OMG It's over! How the hell am I going to stay enterained now?'

So blatently....awsome. I need to re-watch the episode a few times before my brain can process any other thought. *goes to find the recording*

Well, I have to add my voice to the mix here and say that I thought it was an extremely well-done, extremely powerful episode and that I'm gonna go on record here (pulling up shields to dodge the incoming slings and arrows) and say that for me, though I've seen the subs, the intensity and relatability of the dubs makes them just so much more satisfying for me. My response to the subs has always been strong, (I get what’s going on – oh, wow and all that), but when I watch the dubs and HEAR the emotion in their voices as I'm understanding their words, when I hear how the dialog has been translated into relatable terms - I'm MOVED. TO TEARS. I can watch a sub ep 3 times, including just prior to watching a newly broadcast dub, and get SO much more out of it. I think, and this is probably to be blamed on the download subs I'm watching, that sometimes there are bits of the subs just don't make sense. Again, that's either a quality of the fansubber thing or it's a slightly incomprehensible (to slow American ears) Japanese sensibility thing. The English just seems to mean more to me and make more sense. Not having memorized the sub dialog probably makes it easier for me to accept the dub changes. [And hey - Ed's a girl!! How's that for confusing yer hormones... There are men in Japan - why do they always use women for young men? <sigh> ]

OK, enough of that topic because this post isn't supposed to be about the sub vs dub debate - honest! I just found the final eps so fricking moving - in English - with Vic's glorious (non-female!) Ed emoting his little butt off, that I had to explain why it just works so well for me. I'm.... I'm in love with my own language and ... and with Vic, apparently...

I had all this other stuff to say, but I don’t know how to use the Spoiler thingie, so I guess I’ll leave them out for now. Except to say that the nature and tone of Ed’s conversation with Envy, you know where, was a product of his state – serene and without fight. He was past that. That’s why the calm. (And man, how heartbreaking was seeing him there like that?)

Oh, and what I liked about Aaron’s voice-acting is that he really sounds like a kid. I loved that. And he was frickin’ heartbreaking there at the end. If anything had me bawling my eyes out over this last ep, it’s not what I expected it would be, it was Al’s speeches and his conviction.

Thanks go to the helpful person who posted that the dub version will be out in October. I’ve been trying to track down info on a dub version, and if there’d be one, without luck. Thanks again.

Anyone know if the Premium Collection (including Reflections) will be available or broadcast soon?

So, that’s it for me. Please don’t all pile on me for liking and getting more out of the dubs. Guess I’m just a dummy…

That’s it for me.

~ibshafer

Help, i fell asleep and never got to watch last nights episode, where can i find it?

you should buy a tivo

[spoiler]My first thoughts are that the ending is entirely innapropriate for the entire series. It's all about the relationship of the two brothers and they're seperated? How horrible! Ed didn't even get to meet the real Al and on top of that, Al's forgotten every single thing they'd gone through together in the last four years. It's not even the same Al that comes back. Sure he doesn't have to remember four years as a suit of armor, but he loses Hughes and Nina and can't gain them back at all because they're dead. It's like they've suffered a worse death than they did because they've become non existant to one of the people who meant the most to them. I mean Hughes died to help Al! And Nina considered him her bigger brother! He lost two people like family and can't even realize that.

It's hopeful, I've seen previews and things of Conqueror of Shambala, but this just doesn't go with everything they've worked for. It's sad. I mean, I've seen anime before so I was okay with dealing with no neat and tidy package at the end and I figured a long time it'd be sad, but this is more painful sad. Even if they find each other again, Al will never have that strong bond that Ed will for him (unless they get his memories back and all you COS-watchers are just sitting there thinking "idiot.")

Overall, it was good. Wasn't what I expected at all, but then I'm mostly terrible at predicting endings to anything not starring Mandy Moore. I think it just kills me that they're seperated.

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I loved that calm nature he had. That pushed me to tears, how he could stand there so untroubled after everything because it really was over for him.

I felt that episode was enjoyable. It wasn't an episode as much as a what happened next thing. But still an awsome ending to an awsome show.

Well, I really enjoyed the episode! I couldn't really find anything wrong, but that could be because I only saw the episode that one time, and it was all new to me.

I cried numerous times throughout the episode. Especially when I saw that Al got his body back sans memories of the past 4 years. And I balwed at the end when Ed and Al (at opposite sides of the gate) reached out their hands. I couldn't stop crying! GAH!!

I find it interesting that some people here think that Riza could have been the one to injure Roy. I never thought of that!! Cuz they didn't show Mecha-Archer firing the gun, only Riza. Maybe someone should watch the episode and count how many shots she fired and how many times Archer got hit. Just a thought.

I was also surprised that Mecha-Archer died! I'm not a fan, but he's has metal on one half of his body, wouldn't it be hard to kill him?

All in all, a nice ending. Nicely left open for a movie.

Yeah one half of his body... just aim for the non-metallic half like Riza did XD

Or just rub a Magnet up against him.

Al is so hot, even when he's ten <3


I teared up when Roy got shot again. I just love RoyxRiza.



I still say it this episode contradicted the rest of the series, but eh, as long as Alphonse is alive....


Though his body being ten makes no sense. Wrath's body matured when it was in the gateway, [spoiler]and in the manga, Al's body was maturing inside there too, with the help of Ed They should have done that in the anime too.[/spoiler]


But there are a lot of things they should have done that arwe in the manga, so I'll hush up


Ah, but I don't want to be a party pooper. I hope you all enjoyed 51.

This is true, but in Wrath's case, everything was sent to the gate including body and soul. For Alphonse it was just his body. Perhaps it makes a difference?

Hmm, that is true.


I just like the idea of him being in a 14 year olds body instead of a 10 year olds more.

What I don't get is why Ed's right arm and left leg didn't pass through the Gate with him. I mean, does the Gate really like those limbs or something? This is like the third time it's taken them.

I thought that the episode was great! Although, I am sad that it is over. Ed and Al being seperated wasn't something I thought would happen. One thing I don't understand is what happened to Dante and Gluttony. I guess this is one thing we might find out in the movie.

yea is dante gone??? cuz it sure dosent look like it
i

Dante is in a better place now.


Gluttony's stomache >_>


I giggled when she died.

What do you think happened to Envy when he passed through the Gate? I'm sure that he died but a few other people don't belive that.

I've seen the movie, so I can't answer that >_>

lol I'll just have to wait then. ^^

After thinking about it again overnight...I do have to say that despite the changes in the dub....it was good. There was that added emotion to certian scenes that were really sad, and didn't come across to me in the subbed, that I got in the dubbed.

The ending iteself....when I first saw it months ago, I wasn't sure what to think at all. But as I began thinking on it and watching it a few more times, I realized that it works really well. It's quite sad, but you also have to undersand Japanses story telling to understand this. It isn't traditional for their stories to have 'happy endings.' And with the entire tone of this series....it wouldn't work for the ending to be happy.

It makes sense what happened:

[spoiler]You can't bring a dead person back to life....but....to get around that, they made huge sacrifices before that person had actually 'died.' The first time around when Ed died, Al used the Stone to reaffix his soul to his body. Since Al was the Stone himself....he disappeared. When Ed came around and realized Al was gone...he knew he had to bring him back...as we know how Ed feels about Al. Ed didn't have a Stone or anything to sacrifice but himself to do this. So what happened in the end was, Al had to sacrifice his time with his brother...he forgot what happened. His body remained that of a 10 year old...simply because it probably didn't mature in the Gate (different from the Manga, obviolusly). Ed fell unconcious during the whole thing and ended-up on the otherside of the Gate.

When you look back to the beginning....Truth (Or the Gate...I think Truth still exists in the anime, you just never actually see it)...Took away Ed's family..because when they performed the Human Transmutation to bring their mother back, it was a family they wanted. So Al was taken and Ed's leg to stand with. Ed fought back and grabbed Al's soul. So, to fix what he did that led to Al's body disappearing....he still had to sacrifice family...friends...hardwork...such as Hohenheim put it. [/spoiler]

Anyway....yes....I thought it was an incredible ending...T_T..but sad.

i dunno about dante maybe she got away they dont show gluttoney either when the elevator came up
thats suspicious to me

I bet they went through the hole in the elevator floor. I still think if he ate her there would be some blood left.

For a while there I thought I was the only fan who felt that way. .___.

Then again, it dosen't really take much to please me with an ending so long as I enjoyed the rest of it enough that they can convince me to buy it. I thought it was emotional and amazing because it was so tragic and left so much open. That's what really got me and made me think.

Then again, I somewhat enjoyed and accepted the Matrix Reloaded, so I guess that makes my opinion worthless.

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...Aaron Dismuke is such a bad actor. It brings tears to my eyes.
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I think the real question right now is, do I watch the subbed movie? or do I wait till October?
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[quote name='napes' date='Mar 19 2006, 03:00 AM' post='365539']
Yeah I just watched it after finishing the series...I wasn't impressed.

[spoiler]It just boggled my mind watching that. It was nowhere near the quality of the series. The ending just made me mad; the fact they left everything. I'm probably going to pretend I didn't watch it, and just claim the series as the end of the show.[/spoiler]
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I though Aaron did a great job!! There were times in the series where I didn't like him but I think he really pulled it off in this one.
I'm going to wait for the dub. The english version just holds more meaning for me and I think they did an amazing job with it.
Before i saw it I was starting to get the impression that it wasn't going to be very good, and now I don't know what the hell everyone was talking about. This epsiode was SO GOOD!!!! How can you not like it? I love it how they tie in our world with theirs and the ending just made me more excited to see the movie. And yay! Roy and Riza are together!!!
Question: So if it's 1921 isn't Ed like 22 or 23? and that would make Al 16 or 17, right? I think there should be a six year difference between them now since when Ed brings him back he is 16 (i think) and Al goes back to being 10. I thought they said Ed was only 18 in the movie but I think he was born in either 1898 or 1899 so that would make him much older. It sounds like people are saying Al is still only 10 at the end when he leaves with Izumi but he's deifinatley older than that, you can tell just by looking at him - we see him when he's ten when he brings his mom back and he's definately older now than he was. So that would mean Ed's been in our world for five or six years. If anyone can confirm this or clear it up I'd appreciate it.

Well you can't really compare our years with theirs can you?
our year is set by Jesus who didn't exist in FMA so the year is based on another event...
Ed is 15 at the end of the series IIRC.