Correction: A seventeen year-old in a recently thirteen year-old body...I don't know if I should buy that argument since Eckart, who seems to be Alter!PSiren, is slightly different physically also...And since you're bringing out the age argument, do we even know how old Roze and Noah are, huh? Maybe Noah is older than Roze and represents what she'll look like later. And don't bring out the name argument, because Alter!Bradley wasn't called Bradley.

Yeah, me too ^^

And with the 'she betrayed Ed' thing: I don't think she had much choice. If she wouldn't cooperate, she would've been captured. I really don't think they would say something like: 'Oh you don't want to? That's ok, we'll look for someone else.' You could clearly see that she wasn't friends with them.

Everyone elses alter form looked identicle to their counter parts: Graica, Hughes, Pride, Scar, Lust and Lyra.
Al would look like Alphonse if he aged.(Appart from the eyes.Hair colour can change slighly as people age)
Rose and Noah would have to be the same age other wise they aren't the same person. Noah and Rose are similar but aren't alter's of eachother....
IMO.

She knew that Ed was the only way to get to Shambala. That is where she wanted to go and was it really that hard for her to make up a lie and escape?

I doubt Al's hair colour is gonna change, and it doesn't change the fact that his eye coulour is different, since you're bringing out that those from Amestris and their alters are identical. Hughes is dead while his alter isn't, same for alter!Lyra, alter!Bradley, and many other alters too (like Alter!Dorochet and alter!Loa who are different physically also). Some characters aren't even born yet, like Elysia, so I do think the age difference is possible.

And alter!Lust looked very different from Scar's brother's girlfriend, IMO.

I agree. And remember that there are subtle pallette variations for our world as opposed to 'alchemyland' in all objects; not only characters. Everything looks more dull and washed out, thus the less redness of the skin tone.

Aside from that, there are obviously traits evident in their world that can't exist in our world; thus alter Scar had brown eyes and brown hair, just as would be common for a man of Rohm descent. And as an Aryan man, Alfons Heidelrich has silver-blonde hair and blue eyes, while Al's hair is golden (Sometimes sandy or ginger-looking) and has rather mossy green-brown eyes. They are still alters, even with the apparent unshareable features.

I could see some of Rose in Noa; though Noa has a more mature facial structure and body type. There's also the lip color that might throw some people off. (surprising; it's such a small thing) Since Noa has dark lipstick and Rose has the standard non-lipped anime mouth.

On a personal level, they are both confused, rather sad and rejected young women who are also in touch with their spirituality more than most of those around them.

[spoiler]Just becaus ethe alter form dies doesn't mean the other will hence Al doesn't die when Hydrich does.[/spoiler]

*facepalm* That's what I meant so why are you re-forming a part of my post?

Some can have different fates, physical features, etc, that's why Noah being alter!Roze is very much possible.

Why don't I remember alter Lust in there?

Well, when I first saw alter!Lust (Roma, I think) in a magazine, if it hadn't been mentioned in her bio, I would have never guessed it was her alter...She's part of the gypsies Ed and Al first meet after their car crashed, the one with the curly hair, I think.

Ah, and Scar's alter was in the movie as well? How do I miss these things?

And I heard Eckart was alter!Riza. Why am I so not-updated with these things?

Lust and Scar are the Gypsies right at the end that Ed,Al and Noah Hitch a lift with.
Ekcart isn't alter anyone as far as looks/personality go.She looks told to be anyone.

Anyway,with the Rose-noah thing,Who gives a damn?Ed doesn't note the diffrence or even react like he did with Lyra and Pride but that could just be an over look. I really couldn't care any ore if Noah is Rose.

Alter!Scar appears briefly at the end of the movie, I think, and I think Alter!Lust is just beside him.


Never heard about this speculation. Eckart being alter!PSiren, or even alter!Dante seems more plausible to me.


No one would have given a damn in the first place if you hadn't so surely posted that 'Noah isn't Alter!Roze!'.

No, Alter Lust and Alter scar were the ones driving the cart in the end scene of the movie.

I don't think Eckhart is alter anyone. Not everyone has to be an alter we know.

Shoot me if you must...and this is more to do with looks....but could Eckhart have been alter Trisha/Sloth? Looking at the face here and they would use her for irony, not because she was like Trisha.

And yes popo, you really did start that arguement, I had to back myself up.

I didn't say that I didn't start the argument, I said who cares any way.
I just stated an oppinion and a big ol' debate started over a little point.
What I meant is why is everyone, including me, getting worked up over it.

People like to be able to prove a point, and argue for that matter. Apperently many of us care. And I think you'll find I started it by saying Noah was Roses equivilant

Daaaang, that's messed! (And I guess if Ed was slow enough not to flip out completely just seeing secretary Sloth, then he's probably nearsighted or detail-dumb enough not to recognize her face under blonde hair.)

Does that mean she might be Alfons Heiderich's long lost mutti?

I smell a secret/alter plotline coming on

I think the time you'd notice it most is when Sloth is after Winry and Shezka and you just see her face.
off topic, sorry.

can i ask who is the girl with red hair? is she in the game, or is she just in a random OVA?

@burstangel - If you are asking about the red haired girl in Legolas of Mirkwood's sig pic, then she's Armony, a character in a FMA game.

Eh,Noah was okay in the movie but not really my favorite.For my opinion(*cough*trying to get on-topic *cough*)She seemed like another Roze(like everyone said) getting saved by Ed,Some people mistake their friendship for romance...

Dante wanted to have Roze's body to try to be immortal AND get Ed to love her...I think...
Alter Gracia,Alphonse and Hughes thought Ed finally found a girl fell and/or fell for her charms.Including Alphonse H...

Yes, I would probebly think so, sence Noa knows so much about him now, she probebly likes him.


(For you all's info, it's not spelled 'Noah', it's spelled, Noa, without the 'H'.)




Not to mention she IS Rose, but in our world.
Ans as alot of people probebly already know, Rose loved Ed, and Ed loved Rose.
So my guess would be, they have something like puppy love going on, nothing real strong.
But she sences that Ed likes her, by now, (sence she can see his past) she knows about Rose in
Edward's world.


My favorite saying.


"Memories are forever,
so keep moving forward,
and never look back."

I think Ed might be nice enough to forgive her for betraying him, but like her as more than a friend...no. If anyone thought she was more than a friend ((Al H. Alter!Maes and Alter!Gracia)) it's probably only because he never showed any interest in anything aside from finding a way to get back to his world. He just couldn't handle seeing the injustice she was being put through, and unlike others she actually believed he came from another world. I can see Noa being more Al's type. Ed needs someone who will argue with him.

Ed's the type that falls for normally cute girls like Winry or most normal girls in real life. Ask for Noah...she seems a little old for Ed, don't you notice?
I agree with Caus-chan. Noah's exactly the type for Alfons.

And about Armony...Seriously, does she even have a personality?

Edwin is nice enough for me.

Honestly? I didn't see it happening between Ed and Noah. If you noticed all the times Ed had around Noah, he never blushed like he always did with Winry. I think Edward was more intrigued by Noah's clairvoyance than anything, especially what she saw that was beyond precious to him and that was his brother and his home. I saw them as being very good friends, but then when Noah betrayed him for her own selfish reasons, he grew fairly bitter towards her. If he really had a thing going with Noah, when Alfons put him in that rocket and he saw Noah as he was descending up...I think if he really wanted to be with her, he would have found a way to stop that rocket and take her with him if he truly could. However, all he did was apologize and accelerate it. He blushed hardcore when Winry hugged him when they were reunited, but he never did that around Noah. That should say something else as well. Also, the whole scene where Noah went to read his mind, Edward was asleep. He wasn't coherent and had no idea what Noah had done and so you can't classify that as anything except Noah's betrayal. She was selfish and wanted it all and used poor Edward to try and get what she wanted. Besides that, at the end of the movie the brothers and Noah went their seperate ways. It just wasn't happening.

What if they liked each other and had something they never told in the movie? So what? How would that change our world? Remember that none of them really exist.
However, I still doesn't like Noah. She's just annoying and for me she seems to be just a random girl who read Ed's mind and helped the bad guys. I mean, Ed would have got home without her, right? As you've already said, she needed Ed for protecting herself. I like Edward because he doesn't fuss around because of girls. Usually he knows what he wants and what he needs to get it. And he might have something with Winry, but still left her and chose Al. I guess that's everything we need to know about Ed's relationships. ^^

Edit: Okay, he didn't CHOOSE Al because Al was hiding in that armor... But still, they always wanted to be together and Ed would have left Winry anyway.

Why do you think Ed would have left Winry? If the Thule Society wouldn't have went through the portal and started brutally attacking Amestris, I fail to see how Edward would have had any reason to go back to our world. I think if that if he would have been able to stay, he would have stayed with Winry, Al, Pinako and the others. Judging by reactions to Winry through the anime and movie, Edward wouldn't have just up and left her, no matter what happened. I think why he left, it was just a moment of panic and worry because his home was being destroyed and he was desperate to break down the gate on the other side so nobody could hurt the people he loved.

...I have to agree with what most people are saying here recently *only read about the last seven posts* When I finally was able to rewatch the movie (yes it did impact me that much...Poor Winry! ), I really saw nothing but friendship between Ed and Noah.

Yes, he saved her from a bunch of bad guys. But hello , this is Edward Elric the Cynic Humanitarian we're talking about here. You know, the guy that's always so down about life yet still tries his best to save other people- especially girls? Since when has he let someone get dragged away to some eminent doom right before his eyes?

Yes, he was all nice to her and stuff- and held her hand as he told Alter!Hughes to leave them alone. Once again, Edward Elric the Cynic Humanitarian. Always angry over every little injustice that he sees in the world and trying to right it. Why, I bet if he was around before the American Civil War, he probably would have been the one tryin' to- okay, off topic.

Yes, Noa and him were pretty 'close' when she delved into his mind at that time he was asleep. Key words: HE WAS ASLEEP. How was he supposed to know that some lady was layin' all over him trying to get some alchemic-formula goodness outta his head? (Plus, I once read this plausible fanfic that said that Noa could've drugged the whiskey that she had served him- once again, it wasn't EdxNoa basshing, it was plausibleness.)

Yes, he was stricken when Noa was all like, "Take me with you!", even after he learned that she had betrayed him. Do I have to repeat myself though? Edward Elric the Cynic Humanitarian just can't stop sympathizing with people in a situation even remotely similar to his- like not being in a place where they felt like they belonged.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but...if he really did like Noah, wouldn't he have reacted somewhat...differently when he found out that she had betrayed him? I mean, he was pretty cold when he found out. If he had liked her, wouldn't he have been somewhat more...stricken? You know, something like, "Why did you do this?! I trusted you!" (For reference, think back on all those dramatic movies that you have watched before in which the girl betrays the guy.)

Also, does Noa even like Edward? Sure, she must be thankful to him and all for saving her, but I didn't see any love!vibes from her either- at least not to Edward. To me, she seemed to be just plain friendly, and the 'interest' she had for Ed seemed only to be for the place he was from. Also, i think it would've been much more difficult for her to betray Edward like that if she really did like him.

As for the Ed leaving Winry part...I really don't think he would have left her. Judging by the fact that she did have some appearance in his dreams and that he blushed so sweetly when she hugged him...I don't think that he would have left her if he had the choice. But...



There are many people on the internet saying that he should've been smart and just destoryed the Gate on his side, cuz how can you go somewhere if one door is closed forever? And frankly, I agree with them.

Daaaang, that's messed! (And I guess if Ed was slow enough not to flip out completely just seeing secretary Sloth, then he's probably nearsighted or detail-dumb enough not to recognize her face under blonde hair.)

Does that mean she might be Alfons Heiderich's long lost mutti?

Haha, that made my day Almost as much as Edward Elric the Cynic Humanitarian (I agree with everything Elrickeyblade said there)

I just wanted to add that would it come to life, a relationship with Noa would only bring Ed a lot of grief. I'm one of the people who find Noa alright (I actually grew interested in Gypsy music because of CoS), but as it was previously mentioned, her priority right now is surviving the Holocaust, and Ed would have enough problems with the political police in his quest to retrieve the U-bomb even without a Gypsy girlfriend to protect. One with psychic powers on top of that. Though you have to admit that the emotional, historical as well as possibly occult complications Noa would cause in poor Edo's life are most tempting for the fanfic-writing fangirls Whenever he annoys me, I like to imagine Ed sitting half-drunk and depressed in a pub/tavern/bar, singing Leonard Cohen's "Where is my Gypsy wife tonight?"

I don't hate Noah, see no reason to hate her, and I concede Ed/Noah is/was a canon relationship. Noah is the first girl Ed had ever once been actively interested in and he displayed such interest outright. (Holding hands, spending time being alone with). It's true he and Al left her at the end though, so he obviously wasn't in love with her. But he was definitely interested in her. And while some fans want to dismiss that interest as him being desperate for a connection to Al, I do believe he was fascinated with her as a person.

I hate to say it, but how can you concede that it was ever a canon relationship? Sure he grabbed her hand, but only because he was curious what she'd see next. He never once displayed any romantic interest in her and when she betrayed him for her own selfish reasons, he grew positively cold towards her. Edward was fascinated by her amazing ability to see into a person's heart just by touch, not because of him wanting to be with Al. However, put into consideration. he didn't blush around her and get stupid like he always did with Winry (and he does the same with Winry in the manga). That's an obvious sign from Edward that he has true romantic interest in a woman, and never once did he portray those emotions towards Noah. Not to mention he left her at the end of the movie, so how was it ever a canon relationship? He made separate ways with her. It's never been concluded that there was ever romantic interest between Edward and Noah and I highly doubt that there was ever supposed to be.

I can concede that it was canon because it was canon.

Unlike Ed/Winry for instance. Throughout the series the only canon thing about that relationship was that Ed was not romantically interested in her, and that was always displayed in an outright and obvious manner.

Ed blushing is an obvious sign of him feeling highly uncomfortable and embarrassed in a situation. He's done it many times with other people in many situations. Ed is uncomfortable with being teased or shown affection. It's part of his character and always has been. It sure as heck doesn't mean he had romantic feelings for Winry, where on earth does that idea come from? I suppose you can project it that way if that's what you want to see, but that does go against canon (and to nip this in the bud, the old "he's just confused about his feelings" argument doesn't hold water, no means no means no). I find it amazing that one can say Ed is in love with a girl just because he blushes, of all things, but did not have any feelings for a girl he actually showed active interest in, canonly? I'm sorry, but putting that into consideration, it makes no sense to me. You say he was cold towards Noah so there's no way he could like her, and yet he was far colder towards Winry throughout the entire series right up to the last time he saw her, I could point out. I have no doubt in my mind the writers intended there to be some romantic feelings from Ed towards Noah in the movie. They actually had/wrote in scenes of them together just spending pointless alone time together and having very personal conversation. So, I'm pretty sure that's what the writers intended. But whatever, I'm not one to try to project pairings in everything, I just go with what the story says.

I'm happy the brothers ended up together again and everything is back to the way it should be, the girls they meet/know will come and go but Ed and Al always have each other. =)

As for the manga, well thus far (and speaking in canon, not fanon) there seems to be a very unrequited love from Winry to Ed. That might change or it might not, guess we have to wait and see.

Rue and Winry, I don't think the story tells us anything clearly. Personally I think there are as many Ed/Noah hints in the movie as there are Ed/Win hints in the manga, but this is not the point. The magic of these two pairings is that the romantic feelings are only discreetly suggested, so that the platonic relationships can serve their purpose in plot and character development, without bothering anyone. This is the mastery of Arakawa, and, respectively, CoS' screenwriter - they give us the outset, and then invite us to use our imagination. So take a break, nobody holds the universal truth, and as much as we b*tch about ambiguous endings, they're the ones that set the spark in the fandom.

Edit: Alright so I may be wrong.

But since us poor fangirls are not bound to get there any time soon, we'll have to just let it be.

Umm...

Okay, I don't really see how Winry's felings are unrequited in the manga. To me Ed seems to be returning them just as much and is positively failing at keeping them hidden. I mean why else would she be used as a hostage against him? Why else would he try to stubbornly deny that he loves her? Why else would he be totally embarassed at even the mention of it?



It's true that Ed was cold towards Winry in the anime, but not as overboard as you're saying here. The reason why I brought up the "Noah-betrayal" scene in my previous post was because it really did contrast with how he would have treated Winry. Remember Episode 45? (Or was it 44? ) When he found out that she didn't tell him about Hughes? That reaction was different. He really did look stricken at what he thought was some sort of betrayal.

And I didn't say say that Ed didn't like Noah. I'm just saying that he only liked her as a friend. I seriously saw no love vibes from either her or Edward. All I saw was friendliness and Ed's anger towards her mistreatment because his cynic-humanitarianess can't stand witnessing other people get prejudiced.

I did try to look at EdWin from your point of view, _Rue2, and I think I can see where you're coming from. But to many people it is evident that EdWin is canon in the anime because of their history together and his random mentionings of her throughout some episodes and...many other stuff that I'm too tired to say right now. Also, many of the official FMA art shows clear depictions of EdWin and Royai, in my opinion.



Personal conversations? The conversations didn't seem all that personal to me... Also, would the writers really wait a whole anime series to give Ed a love interest? And right before they end the whole FMA stuff all together?

I don't mean any offense in this post. I just find it hard to believe that Noah actually felt stuff for Ed and that Ed felt stuff for Noah. Like I said before, to me they just seemed like good friends.

On with the conversation, now! b^^d

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Please... do tell me what was so personal about the conversation. I must have missed it altogether.

And what makes you so convinced that that's how the storyline should have headed? The story has never mentioned anything canon about EdNoah. Your arguements at the moment sound like they've twisted the movie to suit your fantasies. Unless I really did miss something there..

Seriously, I don't think anybody wants to give Noah a chance, I think shes absolutely one of the best FMA characters out there.
And I absolutely love her and Ed together as a couple. (So sweet) <3 I don't care if I'm the only person on Earth who thinks that, I'll shout it from the roof tops if needed.

Hmmm, your name seems to suggest otherwise.

Many think Noah is Rose's alter ego in the movie, so that's not surprising for EdxRose_fan to like it in the least. And even if she didn't seem like Rose's alter, what's the problem? It's not possible for people to like one character paired up with many others now?

Oh lay off. I was just pointing out that her name seemed to suggest otherwise. I never once stated there was a problem and never once stated that people can't like one character paired up with many others. Good grief.

I think its hard to see any potential in a couple where he is finding the best way to get away from her world, and she so desperatly wants to get away from the life she's living she will betray him (thats not a dig before you all start whining at me, its just the plain truth).

Try and imagine what you didn't see, and I think it's fair to say Noah spent far more time with Alfonse alone than she did Ed. He was closed off to both of them emotionally during the film. "After" the film he has exactly what he wants, his brother and an adventure on the horizon, why should that involve Noah anymore than any other female thats crossed Ed's path?

Well, I really don't have any love for Noa. I don't hate her, but as far as I'm concerned the only girl for Ed is Winry; Always has been, is, and always will be, no matter the differences between the manga canon and the anime, games, movie, etc.

Thanks...now i don't have to write too much- you covered my entire idea. I don't care, like you said, if its the anime, movie, manga, or whatever the hell else they have out there- Ed and Winry have known each other sicne they were kids and have gone through everything together, giving them a strong, trusting, and caring relationship. I don't like that Noah can suddenly appear in the movie after all the time Anime!Ed spent with Anime!Winry, or even Anime!Rose, though I'm not a supporter of that coupling. He'd known the other girls for longer and, even though i don't support EdxRose (sorry, peoples) it makes more sense than EdxNoah, who haven't known each other for long at all.

I personally find the Ed/Noa pairing ridiculous. I can see a slight friendship. To be blunt, I don't even think the friendship is thick. =/

In the start of the movie, Ed didn't believe in "magic" when someone mentioned Noa's supposed powers, Edward said "Don't believe that stuff", so it's only natural that when he finds that it's real, and she does have this power--[Proving to him that she does by using his little brother Al as an example]-- He becomes curious and interested in her power.

The only canon pairing in CoS, was Scar/Lust. Ed/Noa was crack, is crack, and always will be crack.

personally I am an avid supporter of ed and Noa, because for one thing she's kind of a "lost" person before she met Edward and now she's found herself when she met him! (please! noa haters don't flame on me!) and most people I know on the web ONLY hate her because of that "scene" with Ed!!! (that's usually the case! so please please don't flame!)GOOD NEWS!!!! you're not the only one that thinks that! lol! by the way.... fullmetal kitty? (your sig)

Noah is defo not with Edward in the movie .. but Edward and the "German AI' have a strange relationship though.

I don't know if were was any more feelings between Ed & Noa but who saying that Winry had no effect to Edward might be mistaken. Everyone here are interested in Ed's blushing (I agree that he felt uncomfortable. Were was not much people, who hugged him apart his mother and brother and that was long ago...) but when he came through the Gate and landed, his eyes changed, hearing Winry's voice as if he was frightened of someone. He wasn't more disturbed when he heard Al in our world. Maybe because Edward felt, that his mission to bring back his brother was completed. I think he didn't wanted to see Winry at all because she was the only one person who could stop him from coming back. Not his beloved brother but Winry. Maybe that's because he didn't say good buy- he wanted to stay in his world and live normal life as alchemist. I guess that only childhood friend couldn't make him swear that much...

I don't believe Ed and Noa were together in the romantic sense at all. I believe there was an interested Noa, but an oblivious and uninterested Edward. Of course, me being a staunch EdWin supporter, I cringed at the thought of an EdNoa pairing. (-sigh- My EdWin bias affects my entire FMA worldview. ) Although, I did seem to get the impression that Noah was older than Ed. Does anyone know how old Noa was supposed to be?

Is the age difference really an issue? I mean, Ed's eighteen in the movie. Isn't that old enough to be with an older woman? Even if she is older, it doesn't look like it by much, five years at the most.

Let me mention this. I am an avid EdWin shipper; I love them. They should have babies. It's canon in the manga. The end.

Moving on. I saw Noah/Ed in the film. When you see things like Heiderich's comment on Ed finally being interested in a woman, Ed grabbing her hand, and Noah standing over a sleeping Ed in a suggestive manner(for lack of a better phrase), you have to try and think of the writer's and director's intent for choosing to express those scenes in those particular ways. Even in anime, directors are perfectionists.

Now don't get me wrong here. I'm not saying Noah and Ed had a romance going on in the film or anything- the writers and director could have shown us these particular things to express Ed's maturity or something along those lines. But either way, there was something there.

Canon relationship? Nooope.

Romantic potential? Perhaps.



Oh, and I'll just edit this in quickly. I was watching a con pannel with Aaron Dismuke and Vic Mignonogna (the English voices of Ed and Al for anyone that didn't know) and they were talking about Edward and girls, and Vic mentioned that in the movie Ed was attracted or interested in Noah "in his own awkward way". I know Vic's not the complete authority on all things Edward Elric, but he's got a better grip on the character than of most us, you must admit. YOUTUBE LINKAGE HERE!
It's actually a pretty funny interview.

I can't believe I'm arguing FOR Noah/Ed, haha.

Mmm I have to say, I'm not sure any of that suggested romance at all.

The comment about Ed being interested in a woman - more likely meant "he's not sitting on the bed being an emo kid for once"

Ed grabbing her hand - he's brash and rude, he will physically take you along rather than ask politely.

Noa standing over his bed - not sure what you mean by suggestive....wasn't like she straddled him in nothing but a thong. If anything she goes to his bed to abuse her psychic powers for her own gain.