Jeez, you'd think with all the ridiculousness that the plot has been emanating the last three episodes, there'd be bigger things for you to bitch about.

I think BONES is just trying to mess with us, really.

Just watch... after the series is over, there'll be a lot of people wanting the heads of all the animators and on pikes... And then, in a year or so, the movie will come out and it'll be like, 'Just kidding! Here's the REAL ending.'

Something like EVA??? Oh wait... at least the TV ending in EVA was what the director wanted and the movie was what the crew wanted instead (which was why they broke off to form BONES). hmmm their past actions coming back to haunt them?

The title of Fuhrer was actually used in the anime (as well as President). Read the letter that Roy gave to Ed regarding his title of Fullmetal (early episodes)..

saa, naa...

But that's an interesting thing to point out. I didn't know BONES was made up of ex-Gainax staff...

Yah, gratuitous boob shots will do that for a character...

I guess they're trying to make up for lost time with that thinly-veiled fanservice.

And one more thing... Why are there baby lobsters in a seemingly landlocked rural village?

Really.... we'll see....



Its called 'stylized'. Its to drive home a point. You don't like it? Fine. This is hardly a surrealest on crack. Akira was a surreleast on crack. On stylized scene? Not even close.


Outnumbered and outgunned, maybe? Even fullmetal guys are not invincible.



WHOOPDY FREAKEN DO. Were you desperatly wanting a fire to start? Oh please.


Umm yeah. He didn't get a chance to complete it. Your really stretching here.




Now listen, there is plenty wrong with this episode and plenty legitimate stuff to complain about. I dont like the alternate reality either, and I also dont see a happy ending. Sane and reasonable are still maybes, but not liky.

But the rest of your post makes me think your a troll. The stuff you pointed out to bitch about made no sense, and wreaked of desperatly trying to find something wrong.

If your gonna complain, at least do it about legitimate problems with the episode(of which, as I said, there are plenty)

It's a crawfish, I think. They're, like, river-lobsters. Tasty too.
(had to add that in ^^;; )

Anyhow, I wouldn't be complaining just yet. Yeah, it's pretty random (I watched the RAW, but I'll need to dub to confirm what I thought I heard, my Japanese is awful) but let's see where this all goes.

Just wait for the next episode. Then complain.

Oh, right... I forgot about the crawdads...

I'm not sure what to say after watching episode 48 (havent seen 49 yet), but I hope to God that this anime has a good ending. Now, when I say good ending, I mean: it answers most questions and you get some gratification for spending so many hours watching it. Animes that did this for me for example was Last Exile and Scrapped Princess.

An ending I wouldnt mind seeing would be a Rahxephon style ending (though I hated that anime and it left me feeling that my mind had been raped, and the ending made the whole series pointless but I wont rant about that) basically, a "fixed" reality where nothing bad happened, example that Scar and Hughes are still alive, etc... I wouldnt mind seeing one of those endings because it would at least be a little bit satisfying.

One question though for upcoming episodes: I wonder how Gluttony will handle the news that Lust is dead (remember I havent seen 49, so if he respons there, please tell). Wouldnt he be furious at Wrath for killing her (if he finds out that Wrath did it)?

Ed tells Gluttony Lust is dead and he basically reverts to a child and just walks away as Dante is yelling for him to eat Ed.

all in all I liked the episode. Its not like the typical ending where the good guy just kills the bad guy, the end. Im tired of the Sailormoon like anime series that do that. This is a happy medium between a Sailormoon ending and a mind-rape ending(like EVA0that is just dumb. I cant wait for the translation and the next two episodes!

... a movie that comes out next year.

If they leave the ending open ended, you ahve to wait until next summer to figure out wtf happeneed... that is so retarded - pure marketing and money making idea,

You guys complaining about the FMA episodes are player haters. If you want to get pissed about something, you should get pissed about how Inuyasha ended WITH NOTHING CHANGING AT ALL!

You see unlike Inuyasha, Full Metal Alchemist has actual plot progression, and the series is definitely winding down and moving toward its climax. Yeah there's going to be a movie, but I'm going to wait and see the end of the series before I get pissed. Either way, there's no way the end of Full Metal Alchemist will disappoint me as much as Inuyasha.

dont get me wrong, I like the series...it's just I feel they've strayed from what it originally was. If you look at the first 17 episodes, then go to 18-38, then 38 on they've changed dramatically. Of course they change plot wise, but I mean the style has changed. It's not really too much of a comedy anymore, and I cant really explain it....but it's just different, like they've lost sight of a vision of what the anime was originally like.

I wont cast judgement on the series until 52 comes out. When I've seen the ending, then I'll decide, but *crosses fingers* I would just like a happy ending (I'm the happy ending kind of guy ) where everyone is alive and happy. that would be soooo sweet. If it has a Gunslinger Girl ending or God forbid, a saishu heiki kanojo ending where everyone is dead and the ending made the whole journey in the series COMPLLETELY pointless.

*crosses fingers*

What's the matter, can't take a little drama in your anime? But I like that FMA got edgier as it went along, it really gave the series an "anything can happen feel" kind of like 24 which is another show I love.

Anyway, if I remember correctly, Trigun was pretty similar in starting out to be very comedic then getting very dark and grim. Though I still think that series had a great ending that had to be made-up since Nightow never really finished the manga.

There aren't going to be 52 episodes, there are 51. Though I guess unless you count the movie...that's 52 .

Just going off the information from animenfo.com "Total Episodes 52"

And to answer your question, I dont mind a little drama, in fact I like it. However, I do NOT like it when they just kill off characters without a good reason, and then they just drop off the face of the planet. FMA has been decent about this, but I think they could do better.

About animes that I think ended extremely well: Last Exile, Scrapped Princess, and Scryed (though for me it ended on 25 not 26). I would say Trigun, but I did not like the ending, it was far too open ended, but the rest was good.

I really liked where the series was going in the beginning and got really interesting in the teen episodes. However, it slumped a little in the 30s and it's going crazy in the 40s. All I hope for is a decent resolution, not a "well we need an ending, so we'll just throw this at them."

Animenfo is wrong, as with quite a few of its data. The only reliable source is straight from the animation studio (BONES) and production Sony.

BONES specifically said the series ends on Oct 2nd which means 51 episodes, 18 Sep = ep49, 25 Sep = ep50, 2 Oct = ep51 (end), 9 Oct = Gundam Seed 2.

you're so right, I mixed up WW I with WW II

they made everything correct, the "Reichskreuz" is on the Zeppelins, its damn right fuckin shit I'm so dumb. *dropz*

In a way that kinda resembles mahoromatic...
first half was the comedy, etc..
second half it became much more serious...

BONES hasn't lost sight of what the anime was originally like, the style of the anime is following with the plot.

in the beginning, there were things that you didn't know about: that the stone required human lives, etc. it was a lot like a happy superhero story.
when the facts are revealed, their destiny becomes a lot darker, and so there's not much motivation for joking around.

the series hasn't disintegrated, it's just developed.

Am I the onyl who actually got goosebumps from this episode? I thoroughly enjoyed it

Could someone just gimme a summary PLEASE?????????

To Add to all the other post which have pointed out numerous QUESTIONS and INCONSISTENCIES why do I again need to repost all of the REASONS this Episode stinks. The items mentioned were just a few EXTRA points.

To devote your time and energy to watching and reading a story
To believe with the creators of such that this STORY could exist
To become excited about how the story and characters develops
To see all of that going straight to hell
Is Frustrating, Criminal & Just pisses me off.

I am not even mad if the story doesn’t have a happy ending JUST a CREDIBLE ending. Something I can say This was worth my time. Right Now this is just a lie. They created a world or story that within itself breaks all of its own rules and boundaries.

Its ok to like or love a thing but not to blindness. There are two episodes left to bring this to an ending and a movie to….. I don’t know further confuse or enlighten.

Mostly everyone on this board and other just like it WANT a CREDIBLE Ending. To even have to post the shortcomings is heartbreaking enough because we all want to believe in the story. So.... throw stones at the right people..... The ones who are lying to you and confusing you and not valuing the characters and story they developed.

Hey guys, I've been following FMA since the beginning, but haven't had access to any episodes past 40, so my opinion probably doesn't count for much.

I must admit that reading all the spoilers from u guys (couldn't resist ^^ does make me a little worried about where FMA is going, but I do think that warped, philosophical plotlines can be wrapped up into something quite deep and meaningful (if you want that from your anime), but nonetheless fulfilling.

Anyway, I've learnt not to judge things until the final episode rolls up, but ultimately this is the price you pay when you start on ideas of an ongoing manga series but have to wrap up the anime before the manga story is completed. (Other examples: Samurai Deeper Kyo, Inuyasha, Flame of Recca even classics like Love Hina; all of these anime series start with their manga counterparts but fail to finish off, many have mediocre endings). Simply put, the pressure of writing a conclusion to a story created by someone else is tough work...give 'em a little slack. ^^

My 2cents worth

PS: Vile One; Inuyasha is my fave series of all time (both manga and anime), and I think that the ending is actually really brave considering that they didn't write some crappy non-manga ending. The anime has stayed (for 95% of the time) true to the manga, which is better than any other series i've seen, so to have the guts to end the series without writing up another ending is okay in my book.

This is a Episode 49 summary. Found on Animesuki


Live Jornal for FMA 49

Ya know Ive Been Readin and it seems to me you all hate the endings bones make?

Ok so please tell me What animes they made,The endings,and why the endings were really that bad.

I want to find out if the endings were bad, or if they were endings that made you think,which would mean more than half of you are to young or stupid to understand them?

Too much hate...
STOP THE HATE!

Did it ever occur to anyone that they might show two episodes that day?

Its entirly and completly illogical for any anime to have only 51 episodes. I find it highly unlikly that this show would say, 'well, were almost gonna make it the length of a normal show, but then stop one short."

I will bet money your wrong and that it's 52.

(ok I wont bet money, but you get the point)

the same cheap tricks? well, i don't share the same opinion... setting the royxriza fanaticism aside, the plot of the manga is actually more sensible and more significant than what's happening in the anime recently. if you looks closely, you'd find that the manga's story has an actual theme and all its pieces fall into place. the characters are being well-developed, and no recycled characters. this is the signature of Squaresoft/square enix, the people behind gangan comics where FMA originated.

now, back to the main topic, episode 49... a lot of people here already know that i have begun to hate the anime's plot since episode 40+ so i'm not gonna complain about it anymore. it's just that, the latest events seem to fall out of place... you know, an idea popping out of nowhere which doesn't seem to fit in the main plot that's why it's been frustrating lately. are they trying to show some psychology in comparison with the real world with this series like evangelion did?

WWI? London? alternative world? I'm not being close-minded here, but really, they're out of place... plus, we've got only 2 episodes left! will the open ending be a propaganda to have people watch the movie to find out the real ending?

as someone here posted said, how will bones rap up the series in 2 eps with so many loose ends, and the answer being the movie. so that means you have to watch the whole fma series to understand the movie, otherwise, you're lost. so that means if you've only watched the first 20 episodes and the movie is launched, you'll go nuts trying to figure out what's going on.



raxephon movie showed the real ending to the series, so will bones do the same for fma? raxephon had a happy ending... but the movie itself gave me a headache. it's like watching eva, and a few other mecha-related animes in one story.

I agree with viki. I mean why bring london in couldn't they make another explantion maybe even more senisble. They should of just left it being its only little world.

Woa... Zeplins.... Will Ed not be able to do alchemy now?????
BTW, how did the Raxephon movie end? I never got to watch it...

all i could understand in the end was the lead guy and the lead girl with the short hair got together and fast forward a few years later, she has a granddaughter. i forgot their names, it's been a while since i've seen it.

What he said!

i am disappointed... not at the episode, but this topic, i was looking forward to discussion about the story lines, characters, etc
and yeah, and what rsf said.
i know you guys have all the reason to hate it but personally, i just like it, no reason, i just like it. And not to mention RosexEd, (i'm surprised no one mentioned that) i think they look better together than EdxWinry! (sorry rolf! ). awww and did you see the blush on Ed's face~ that's so cute~! i really said "awww" when i saw him blush! XD

the episode threads really get out of hand lately, looks like I have to do something about it. too much discussing about facts what sucked, the storyline sucks, too much plotholes etc etc.

w00t! translations

-crap, I was not fast enough XD-

Rose (with the same creepy eyes and dazed voice): "I was waiting for you...always...always...Ed, I..."
Ed (blushing and looking oh so cute): "Rose..." (then he snaps out of it and jumps away)

RosexEd = so right. I started to like a long time ago, but now it's like my second OTP (faaaaaar behind the first, though).

I bet Rolfie is very pissed or sad right now :/

nah, rose is cute, so its okay =3
since I'm "just" a side fan of edxwinry :>
all my fanlove goes to winry-chan =>

Hey I liked Eva and understood pretty much everything about it after watching the movie and the series over again,See its not that bones has Bad endings,you just have to pay close attention,and do research.

Okey I will try to make summary of detail of this ep.. sorry it is too long.

1) Father of Tringham Bros. was once working at 5th lab. It was only an entrance
of secret. He knew the location of "true lab." and wrote it to his children.

2) He suggests the underground city was vanished about 400 years ago due to an experiment
by unknown alchemist.

3) Ed imagined it was done to make a philo's stone (all of resident
of the city became sacrifice and the one wanted to hide the truth put the whole city down
to underground.)

4) Wrath requested to use philosopha's stone to save slouth but Lyra refused.

5) Archer suggested the army already prepared to be a war against neighber countries
to unify the continent.
(Is this country is located at continent??? I'm confusing
Acutuallu he said war against northern, western, southern countries.
How about eastern country? Is there no country in the east of this country?)

6) Scieszka suddenly awared what Hughes mensioned before
"Not homunculus but 'Someone' will try to make philosophia's stone?"
her hypothesis...(it's almost truth what Dante have done..)
-1.at first homunculus try to make philosophia's stone.
-2."Someone" take it just before finishing to make.
-3.Kill all of related people.( erase all of the evidence)
-4.Rumor (with fearness) remains.
-5.Romor becomes to "People who approach the stone will perish"
-6.People are scared and avoid to approach the stone. <- a kind of lesson

She said the "Someone" might be a good one bacause one is warning to avoid the dangerous.
Winry said "Human always want to get IT in spite of its dangerous"
Scieszka said "The lesson with pain...Only the God could give us such a kind of lesson."

7) Rose wanted to meet Ed since Lyra took her here.

8) Ed already know Dante is in Lyra's body.
He confirmed it with her alchemy without any circles. "When did you see the gate?"

9)Ed asked how many numbers of bodies she used. Dante answered it is not as much as 10.

10)Dante falled the underground city to produce the stone. There was once more simmiler
city in eastern country.

11)Dante said she didn't directly produce it but Hoemheim did.

12)Dante said we (Dante & Hoenheim) are worth to be alive. Human can not treat the stone.
so we are protectors of stone from stupid human. or we are savers of the world.

13)Ed cried "Don't be silly. You also HUMAN!!" then Dante replyed "No more ... different."

14) Dante want to enter to Rose's body by using new stone"

15) Gluttony searching Lust and Ed said she is already dead.

16) Ed said Damege of Lyra's body is rebound of silly behavoir, caused from the
principle of equivalent change.

17) Dante said equivalent change is childish reason while Ed thought it is
basic principle of alchemy and this world.

18)Dante said (this might be important so I will write down most of her saying)
"there is no quivalent exchange in this world. in this principle, we can
get result if we give cost. but, if we give "the same" costs, we cannot
get "the same" results. for example, in an exam of state alchemist,
many people spent their time, but only limited number of them can get the capacity.....
such result is always not equivalent... and human life is not equivalent too...
like this baby....so easy to kill... then the baby was born only to die??
while he is making effort to live, spending costs to live. but all he can get is
only death....on the other hand, others can get a longer life, no matter killing many people."

as a conclusion, she suggests
"the world is essentialy unfair and cruel therfore it might be beautiful."

19)Ed got angry and save the baby.

20)Dante continued
D:"equivalent exchange is only an excuse which weak people console temselves,
they have a chance to be more happy (without it)"
Ed:"This baby doesn't have to excuse!!"
D:"You are truly parent and child.." (this means once Hoenheim said similer..)

then Ed was gone to a light....stood in front of the gate....

21)Ed woke up and he can't make any sence about the situation...

22)Ed saw his face in a mirror and said "Who is THIS?" (I think the guy looks like Ed
with short hair but he thought THIS is far from his true face.)

23)Hoenheim came to his room and said
H:"Edward-kun, What are you doing. It's an air attack."
(Hoenheim were also thinking the guy is not his son at this moment)

24)Ed asked to his father (below here is almost subtitles again)
H:"Hurry up!"
E:"Wait! Dad. Why are you here? Where is here?"
H:"Dad? Edward-kun. What are you saying?"
E:"aren't You at Dante's place? WHAT IS HERE?? HOW HAVE I DONE? THIS FACE? HAND????"

H:"Are You... My son Edward?"
E:"Its natural!"
H:"Why are you here?
E:"Well..."

H:"Let's go. they will come"
E:"What is they?"
H:"Zeppelins!!!"

Forgive me posting long lines.
It's difficult to make a good summary of this ep.
Every detail seems so important , I think.

Yeah, possibly Hoenheim and Dante created the stone in the real world and used its power to create the false world(where the story has been the entire time).

If you think about it their world is much like ours. The Ishbal are treated as filth by the army(much as the Germans did to the Jews)and the army planned to attack the entire world in order to rule all.

Dunno, hopegfully it gets answered in the next three episodes.

I don't watch InuTrasha, so that's none of my concern. I held FMA to a high standard through more than 40 episodes, and lately it's been letting me down.

Gluttony was hilarious in this episode.

I wonder if they'll even bother trying to cook up an explanation of how/why he was created, or if they'll just tiptoe around it, since he seems a bit like a red herring from the original Arakawa plot, which BONES swerved away from midway through...

Uh... there are a lot of anime series that don't end in multiples of 13 episodes (e.g. 13, 26, 52, 65, etc)...

We have animes ending in 6, 12, 24, 47, 65, 71, 147, 11 etc episodes.

There is no logical reason for any anime to must have multiples of 13 episodes.

I liked that episode! I don't think the ending is going to be rushed: I think it will leave many things to be answered in the movie: that's a great thing, because everything is concluded, what will the movie be about? Maybe it's marketing, but I like it when something keeps us interested and hungry for more. But that's just my opinion.

Actually, there's nothing the least bit retarded about this. It's a brilliant strategy by BONES, if that's in fact what they're doing, since it will prolong the show's appeal and marketability by quite a bit.

More money in the studio's pocket.

That's capitalism for ya.

Which is why I download instead of buying. =p

Filthy commie pinko bastit...

This esp's ending is a surpisebut here is my 2 cent of wat i think the ending is telling use. Dante said the power of alchemistry all come from the gate, so that means the gate a pathway that connect our world to their world. It may also explain y there is no alchemistry in this world, maybe sumhow only one side of the gate is blessed with this amazing power. wat do u guys think??

So the Movie Edward is actually the "English" Edward? @__@ No wonder those clothes don't suit him.

If the case is that FMA end swith the movie, I will look forward to it.

I forgot to add some detailed plots to my last post....

( Between 19) and 20) )

19-1)Dante walked to Rose and said ,
D:"I am sorry. If I get this girl's body then
I can be looking forward to fall in love with a son of Hohemheim.
E:"In this time, you will use Rose's body!"
D:"yes, since I just got a new stone."
E:"Where is Al?"

these plot suggests that some complex feelings between Dante and Hohenheim.
And this might be a reason why Dante want to get Rose.(Date thought Ed likes Rose?)

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After I checked the clip again, before get to the underground city, Ed passed through the ruins of ancient religion,looks like oriental temple(You can see this in opening),
I think it might be something related to what Dante mentioned "eastern country once vanished
in only one night".

In manga, The name is "Xerxes ruins" are refered. Both might be same, I thought.

On the other hand, There is no clear evidence that the underground city is London itself.

It is still keeping uncertain where the main land of this story is......

The FMA World is Asmetris... the "parallel" world is... our world... >__>