10. Fangirls are loud and often violent.
Ever witness the blowback from someone denigrating Ed in front of an Ed fangirl? Not pretty. [points to scar] I got this from when I told a certain someone that Abarai Renji looked gay with the eyebrow tattoos.

09. Discerning forum names becomes a baffling ordeal.
How many different usernames do we have here that include any combination of the words "ed[ward]" "love" and "girl"? I challenge you to count them, because I sure as hell don't feel like it!

08. It leads to the creation of many, many, many bad fanfics.
Let's face it, 99% of the truly rabid fangirls just couldn't write to save their lives. At worst, they write in n00bspeak. At best, they include fanservice... FANSERVICE IN A FANWORK... WTF!?!?

07. And another thing about fanservice, there's too much of it in anime to begin with, with both female and male characters... and yet these nutjobs want MORE OF IT! Why not just have the characters spend all their screen time topless, huh? Let's further blur the line between legitimate anime and hentai, why don't we?! That'll make things so much easier for the writers. No more boring storylines, just a whole bunch of T&A and oiled muscles. Sounds AWESOME!

06. It inspires the creation of the horror known as Yaoi.
There's no Yaoi without fangirlism, and you damn well know it! And Yaoi doujins and fanfics are some of the worst abominations I've ever witnessed. Where the hell does one find the creative license to turn two [or more ] of SOMEONE ELSE's characters, who are obviously straight into raging butt pirates [not that there's anything wrong with that...], anyway? It's a complete perversion of the original creator's vision... Although...

05. A lot of these guys look really, really gay.
Seriously. When was the last time you saw a straight guy who dressed like any of the male leads from the last few Final Fantasy games? I have the sneaking suspicion, in fact, that the dreaded 'metrosexual' phenomenon has more than a little to do with the rise of fangirlism stateside. I'll have to look into this further... though I fear for what may happen to me if I do so...

04. It glorifies invalids and assholes.
Edward Elric's got two prosthetic limbs. Vash has a fake arm. Bart Fatima is a cyclops. InuYasha is a mutant with a double-digit IQ. These people should be pitied and given our best parking spaces, not adulated!
And then there are those who are in love with guys like Sephiroth [psychotic Mama's boy], Envy [even more psychotic transvestite] and Scar [religious fanatic]. Now, truthfully, would anyone REALLY want a mate like this?

03. It cheapens the medium.
Let's get serious for a moment. Would you want to live in a world where the only reason a movie like Rain Man is considered great is because it features a young and oh-so-dreamy Tom Cruise? Or a shitfest like Original Sin is deemed Oscar-worthy because of Antonio Banderas and Angelina Jolie's sex scene? Of course not! So why is it any different for anime? FMA is a great show because it's well-written and original, not because the hero is some teenager with long blond hair. Can the average fangirl even begin to grasp the complexity of the storyline of RahXephon? I doubt it.

02. It sets the bar too damn high!
Impressionable young girls drooling over men the likes of which are nonexistent in the real world. Not gonna lie to you, I feel threatened by this.

01. Detaches women from reality.
...I mean even more so than they already are.

ahaha i loved that butt pirates part.

As a fangirl, gotta reply...

Hey! It's rare that you even SEE half naked guys...More like half naked women.



Metros are cool But most of us don't like guys that look like girls. (i.e. Vaan, FFXII)
Yes

Good thing you said "average"...Anyway, there's a lot more "pretty girls" in anime and games than there are "hot guys".

Well, that IS true...No guy is quite as hot anymore

Can't deny this ;_;

I feel the other stuff I left unanswered was either true or just opinion. I just dunno what yer bitchin' about with the hot guys being in anime I mean, there's twice as many half naked chicks with oversized proportions...

I'm just saying. Fanboys are as much as fault here too.

The tides of fanservice are turning in the fangirls' favor, though. Look at FMA, for example. How much fanservice do you see of any of the female characters [3rd ending notwithstanding]? I couldn't even think of one instance. Now look at how much Ed fanservice there is.

Feeling bitter are we?

And what's wrong with Yaoi? I'm sure you don't object to seeing two women together be they fictional or real. Why don't you tell us about the yuri collection under your bed.



Oh please. In the American media women are bombarded with images of women they may never get to be without some serious plastic surgery. Plus, alot of men have become so shallow because of it they won't even look at a woman if they don't meet up to societys ideal.

Pam Anderson anyone?

I've yet to meet any men who feel bad that they don't look like Ed.




Yeah, because you menfolk always have such a firm grip on reallity.

And don't dis Envy's miniskirt. You're just jealous because you wouldn't look good in one.

Also, just like Celes said. There's way more attractive females giving fanservice than attractive men. Let us have our eyecandy dammit!

Different guys have different tastes, though. Not everyone likes the blonde bombshell type. There are different female body types that appeal to men. With men, however, there's only one ideal body type, and there are a lot more of us that don't have it than those who do. And yet every single male lead in anime has it, regardless of age.

RENJI'S EYEBROW TATS ARE COOL! *brandishes blunt object*

Just kidding. I love the list. Mostly true and very amusing. Thumbs up.

I will say this, though. Aside from the crappy girl-fanfiction, fanboyism is worse than fangirlism. Look how many nearly naked anime girls there are with boobs bigger than their heads. Also, there isn't really any male equivalent to the imfamous "panty shot".

^Yes and I have yet to see any resin models for sale of nekkid bishies. Pleanty of girlies though.


The women in anime also have just about the same bodytype just like the men do.

As far as men having the ideal body type it depends on the woman. Just like you don't like blond bombshells there are women who prefer skinny guys. Everybodys different.

Not true. Look at Rukia from Bleach, for instance. She's short and flat-chested.

Look at Gluttony. Sexay!

For that matter, alot of the guys in anime have different body types as well. It depends on wether the character is suppose to be desireable or not really.

I haven't seen Bleach but I've read some of the manga, she seems more like an action character than a romantic one.

Why should that make a difference?

very amusing,and mostly true.But one of the things that bothers me the MOST is the yoai (however you spell it) I mean first edxroy and now! scarxed! (i'm not kidding about this one) I mean whats up with that!!! I read some girls fanfic about scarxed and now i'm scared for life...when I read it I screamed.Stop making yoai tho people,you ruining good anime.Personaly I think homosexuality is a sin...but lets not get into that....

proud fan girl of Scar

I'm actually a huge fan of Scar yaoi. I think he's totally gay... i mean, he'd just be happier with another man then a woman who he'd have to be super fluffy with. I think he's a sorta type of person who would want a limited ammount of affection in relationships and therefore... i just think he's a man's man. *supposrts Al/Scar*

*bangs head against computer* why do you people have to do stuff like that....it disturbs me...bringing that kind of stuff into good anime.Oh well I cant stop them all...unless...I make it my mission to kill all makers of yaoi fanfics.Naw,just kiddin'.And I think Scar should have a woman not a man

*screams in horror* Al...and SCAR? I'm sorry but a 14 year old with an adult....it's just wrong.

yes,I screamed also from this.So much sreaming....

One flat-chested woman out of 10,000

Let's keep it on topic people!

It's not like she's the only one. In RahXephon [the anime, not the awful manga bastardization], there's only a couple of women who are particularly well-endowed.

all anime females should be proportionally correct. it just makes anime so much cooler.this reminds me that there was a chubby girl in negima. i was like..wtf?? i didn't know fat girls existed in anime.. >.<

*Smacks him with her fan* But there are all types of girls. Not just those with tiny waists, and oversized chests.

Last I checked, 'oversized chests' and 'proportionally correct' weren't synonyms.

Aaah. So it's another anti-fangirlism rant. Whatta surprise.

Keep in mind, there are different kinds of fangirls. >_>



I cannot disagree.




Fanfiction is one of my favorite hobbies, but my frustration with the high amount of crap involved in it compels me to agree with this as well.




So yaoi = omgsobad, but standard hetorosexual hentai doujinshi and fan yuri works are A-OK? Seems like sound logic to me.


*Shrug* Someone's taste is their own.



Not really, but I'm willing to appreciate them as characters. Does a character have to be an able-bodied straight white male with no mental or emotional issues whatsoever to be admired?



And that's not why I fangirl for FMA. I fangirl for it because the originality of the storyline, the complexity and intriguing nature of all the characters really exites me, and ultimately, it has heart. If I can't dig some honest emotion from a series, chances are, I'm not going to appreciate it much, but that's what Fullmetal Alchemist has. I love the main characters, especially Edward and Alphonse, not for any factor of 'hotness', but for the fact that they're fascinating characters, realistic humans, and that their love for each other is compelling. Heck yes, that's sappy, but it's good sap, for crying out loud.





I think we're playing on frustrated over-generalization and superiority complex here.



Oh Yes, yes, bad females for liking an unrealistic ideal of male beauty. (Now go play your missile-breasted heroine video games, read your porn and worship the beautiful hourglass supermodels on television.)



Ooh. I felt the burn on that one.

Straight hentai only warps the characters about half the time, if that. And Yuri... welll... you can make your own anti-fanboy thread, if you wish.


If you saw someone in the street who was dressed like Squall, I bet you you'd think immediately that he was gay, or that there was at least something wrong with him.


You're taking what I said too far! XD I'm saying if you take away the mechanical limbs, the long hair and the funky duds [uhm...], all you're left with is either an amputee or a psycho. If that's not disturbing fetishism, I don't know what is!


But you do acknowledge that there are many girls who only care about the series because of Ed [or Roy].

OMG ED IS LIEK SOOOO HOT!!1!1!


Already touched on this one


You suddenly lose your sense of humor here?

Fix your quotes, dude. @_@

i knowwww. but at least in anime they should be. >.< *and that hurt*

I don't think the board will let me. The quote function gets fux0rd after a certain amount of quotes are used.

EKE: Removing quotes that are not completely necessary is always an option.

I kinda have to agree about some of that stuff. I'm a fangirl no doubt, but there's definately more to it for me than the "hott bishounen". I personally don't think they are as hott as other bishounen in actual design, but they have certain personalities characteristics that put them at the top of my list (Roy more than anyone).

I've had to say it time and time again, but FMA does bring more to the table for me than "hott characters". Being that I'm getting a little older, I don't think I'm that bad compared to other Ed fangirls. I certainly don't claim any of the characters are "mine and nobody else can have him" cuz yeah, I realize they're just a figment of Arakawa's imagintion. Anyways, Ed''s just not as great for me as Roy, and then again I didn't start immediately liking Roy either. He had to grow on me. I love the conflict that the characters have to deal with within themselves. In all honesty, for me I am normally more interested in what's going on with he background characters than the protagonists. That's just how it's always been for me.

The characters are innovative and different with their own purposes and desires to get exactly what it is they want. Their wants become such a need and desperation that it creates great intensity in the show. The character are also pretty complex. Roy starts out seeming like he's a complete cocky asshole, yet we learn that he's had to deal with his own struggles. Hughes seems like all he is is a goofbal, but we learn that isn't entirely true. While Al seems like the more mature between him and Ed, we are reminded that he's still just a child and has to endure such suffering. Scar isn't just some insane hobo on a rampage. He mellowed out too and found endearing words for al. (I support Scar/Al only if Al's an adult, but I like Scar/Lust a lot too).

I love that I myself was conflicted with my opinions on some of the characters. Lust for instance at first I found to be evil and I didn't really like her. And in the end she never really became good per se, but I just couldn't hate her anymore. Maybe it's because I could totally understand where she was coming from.

What I thought rocked was that I liked 99% of the female characters! This is extremely rare for any anime I watch. Maybe it's because with this show, they weren't damsels in distress 99% of the time. They all brought more to the table than being fanservice for guys. I know that some people hate Winry, but I love her. She's not like your typical girl. She's not prissy, instead she gets her hands dirty with automail. She loves Ed and Al a great deal and keeps them in check.

Riza's awesome too. She seems like a hardass, but in the end we see that she indeed can crack.

Izumi was awesome. She was beautiful, but not based on typical anime stanards. She kicked all sorts of ass too.

I loved the storyline. I loved the journey. I loved that they found appropriate comedic moments to lighten the mood at times.

I also love that the manga is different from the anime because it gives us a different arc to go on with the story.

And of course I can't leave out the couples. I am a romantic afterall. Roy/Riza I completely adore. They have a bond that is just there. They can always depend on each other, but they don't always choose to do so. EdWin is cute because Winry's got an affect on Ed that no other girl has. I could prolly go on all day with this one too, but I think this post is quite long enough.

As to the yaoi thing. I only recently started liking it and only can based on certain conditions where FMA's concerned. It still doesn't have the same effect as Royai and EdWin do with the excpetion of Hughes/Roy (which I can only get into if it's around Ishabal War time), but I like how you can try to blend character personalities and make it work (especially with Envy/Ed). Sadly though, it's ever so rare that it works. And part of that I know has to do with the fact that the creators didn't mean for the characters to be that way.

I'm sorry if I'm rude but OMG now I want to smack you!!! And ppl who know me know i will, and it will hurt!!!!!

I also so admitt some of those things are true (don't feel like qouting them) but a lot of them aren't aren't. It's not those anime hotties bods I like it's their personality and junk like that.

The Loveless avatar makes me wonder whether this is a sarcastic comment or not.

I don't see why it's such a big deal if anime characters are unrealistic looking. Anime is only the most escapist form of entertainment there is. I don't think anyone's tuning into it for the realism.

Are you sure some of the 11-12-13-year-old girls who post here realize that, though?

Edit comment- Rrgh. 'Tarded quotes!



I could make an anti-fanboy thread, but it'd be half sarcastic, and half serious, and the serious half would just be pointless dead horsebeating.

Besides, I have no problems with yuri. At least, not under any different conditions than those under which I enjoy yaoi and het. (I even made the yuri thread... which sadly gets little attention. )




If you saw a woman walking down the street dressed like Faye Valentine, you'd immediately think she was a tasteless hooker.




Yes, very frustratedly so. On the other hand, I must acknowledge and deal with the fact that there are many fanboys who only like Ghost in The Shell for nekkid Kusanagi. Really, all fandoms have to deal with stupid fellow-fans.



So the truth comes out. Didn't know ya felt that way.



Yes, but I didn't think it would hurt to further support this argument. If a girl's already been ruined enough by bishounen fantasies, she's probably not gonna be getting any in the near (Or distant) future anyway, much less get any chances with you personally so I doubt your need for worry is as high as you think.
In the converse argument, I don't think there are that many boys who watch things like Puni Puni Poemi, and it ruins them for real women. (...I mean, any more than they already are. )



Yes. My sense of humor is ded.

Fangirlism is fine in healthy amounts; in the right places, and on the right levels. Like what was said before, anime is a very escapist hobby (As if there is a hobby that isn't?) and the reality detatchment is fun on certain levels. Among the right people, it's fun to unleash the 'inner fangirl', for a while, and just have fun. It's not a deadly serious thing, at least not in my case. Plenty of intelligent grown women can be serious and smart elsewhere, but in select places, fangirlism is where you can play a different role, and just be goofy for once in a while.

Of course, this dosen't neccessarily to the select majority of prepubescent rabid n00b fangirls, to which you're referring. And for that topic, I see, understand, and wholeheartedly share your frustration.

But it's not a blanket label.


Semi-offtopic- On the Scar/Al subject- Well... that's generally viewed as just an emotional thing. Al seems to like Scar a lot, and Scar looks out for Al in some odd surrogate brotherly way. And looking at canon, Al tends get crushes on older women, which I think is just a matter of his personality. He looks up to his elders, and I could see him falling for an older person, male or female.
Nobody seems to have objections to the concept of Al crushing on Martel, who is considerably older than Scar.

* Hi-Fives Toby* Very well said. I feel exactly the same way. That was just refreshing.

I agree, well said Toby.

And that's not why I fangirl for FMA. I fangirl for it because the originality of the storyline, the complexity and intriguing nature of all the characters really exites me, and ultimately, it has heart. If I can't dig some honest emotion from a series, chances are, I'm not going to appreciate it much, but that's what Fullmetal Alchemist has. I love the main characters, especially Edward and Alphonse, not for any factor of 'hotness', but for the fact that they're fascinating characters, realistic humans, and that their love for each other is compelling. Heck yes, that's sappy, but it's good sap, for crying out loud.

i have to agree i mean fma has a wonderful storyline and is very emotional

Well said. I heart it for the sam4e reasons, and the fact that it's the first anime that i got so attachted to that I cried when Hueghes died.

OMG.... *supports Al & Scar* I think they go well together too! I don't think Scar's going to ever be into that share feelings and crap that girls like so much or much on the courtship front. Definately a man's man.

This is awesome seeing us Scar/Al fans coming out of the woodwork. Who knew?!

And also, Toby I'm one of the others that pretty much agree with you. I think that they at first may have a surrogate brotherly type of relationship, but it wasn't too deep to the point of where I can't see it translate into something else later on when he's older.

No kidding here. While I consider myself to be an Ed fangirl, I certainly don't always act like *ahem* typical fangirls. Frankly, the first reason why I started watching FMA was: Alchemy. When I was a little girl and first delving into the world of knowledge, alchemy was among the first thing I came across. Sad to say, I have to agree that most fangirls can't write fanfiction to save their life. Ugh. As a person who scores 48 upon 50 for her essays, I find it downright disgusting to see how they can butcher the language. I was really interested in Ed because he had a braid. My first thought was, 'Hey cool, the main character has a braid'. I don't see that much. While I do act like a REAL fangirl sometimes, it's probably more of a personality stimulus (I'm a drama queen) than an intentional one. Think of Yagami Raito for instant. I really, really like him not just because he's good-looking but also because he's sly, sneaky, really good at acting (read:lying), briliant, devious, justice-seeking, and completely PSYCHO. In fact, all of the guys/girls I like tend to have some odd personality traits.

I stiil think Ed's cute though. And I lilke guys with their clothes on, thank you very much. I also oppose Ed x Roy. As for Al x Scar? Let me put this Ed-style: IYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! (Anyone in his/her right mind would, actually, much less Al's nii-san.)

Hmph, and hot guys should be banned from shirts...


One point for the fangirls (What, are me, Toby, Mini, and edsgirl the only fangirls here... )

Maybe so. But we make a hella good representation, non?

Yes, and it could also be that we're the only ones to admit it.

errr... the only ones who a) admit it and are intelligent enough to break the stereotypes [which I hold]

Did I mentoin I'm a fangirl? Opps! Well, I am..it's just I never have much to contribute. I'm a healthy fangirl (hopefully) not one of those bitchy wackos that the first post was about.

Add me! I totally agree with what Toby said and well...Not all fangirls are the same, Bacon!

Hun... If Al/Scar is wrong then I DON'T WANNA BE RIGHT!

But...in all honesty... their JUST characters, you know? In real life I would be utterly protesting a relationship between a grown man and a...erm....suit of armor. But, quite frankly, it's not, and I like the couple.

Ten things that are completely wrong about Fanboyism:

10- Fanboys are often lame, and meek, and yet somehow still full of themselves. Seriously, try to approach a fanboy in real life, and it's like approaching an injured animal. But actually coax them into talking (usually only achievable through internet) and they think they're God's freakin gift to earth because of the great amassment of RPG successes they've had.

9- Telling them apart online is impossible. Chances are, you've seen one sexy anime chick icon, you've seen them all. Although one must wonder why they choose a buxom female to represent themselves.

8- It leads to the creation of much awful fanart. It's bad enough that these people can't type to save their lives, but they can't draw much better. It's thoroughly saddening to come across so much fan art that tries to create images of sexy females and winds up with third-grade level stick figures with scud missiles attatched to it. At best, they try drawing the girls as their own cute selves. At worst, they try drawing amateur hentai. Hentai!

7- And as far as hentai goes, there's waaaay too much of it. And those pervs want more! Why don't we just further destroy a normally legitimate and artistic medium, by spreading it's reputation as being predominantly pornographic.

6- It inspires the Horror creation known as Yuri. I mean, it's bad enough that they have to drool over their favorite female characters being violated by tentacles, but they also use their sick fan art to turn otherwise modest girls into total lesbian sluts who sleep with every other woman in sight. It's degrading, and a disrespect to the original creation. However...

5- A lot of these girls look really really trashy. Have you ever seen a respectable woman frolicking around dressed like Faye Valentine? And have you really even ever seen women with figures like that outside of magazines? I have a sneaking suspicion that the rise in eating disorders and body image issues is directly related to the strong influence of fanboyism.

4- It glorifies dysfunctionality and sexualizes young girls. Faye Valentine is a lazy bounty hunter with money problems and a gambling addiction. Lust is an undead homicidal witch who kills thoughtlessly. Rei is a fourteen year old girl who is borderlining autistic. When it comes down to it, you're going after murderers, anthropomorphic cat women, and submissove underaged girls, and that's just disturbing fetishism.

3- It cheapens the medium. Way too many series rely on their hot spring scenes and oversized breasts to get sales from horny teenaged boys. Spirited away wasn't the most successful film in Japan because Chihiro was a misproportionate hot young girl. Can the average fanboy truly appreciate Ghost in The Shell, other than for the fact that it has well built naked cyborgs?

2- It sets the bar too high. Too many fanboys are wanting their real women with hourglass figures, or wearing overly cute sailor uniforms and kitty ears. Frankly, I feel threatened by those standards.

1- It detatches men from Reality.

(I mean moreso than they already are.)


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(Yes this was peppered with sarcasm. I really do like Yuri. >_>;;)

[applauds] Well-done.

Ahaha, I love it! Conclusion: Fangirls and fanboys are equally detrimental to society as a whole.

Fanboys less so because they usually don't breed.