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Popogeejo
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The naruto movies? was any thought really required for them?


Never seem them but I remember the awefull pokemon films so I get your point.

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I'd rather compare individual cartoon films/series. That would make for a better argument rather than lumping everything into "anime vs other cartoons"


Much more sensible but it's very difficult as I said.
Lone Wolf
Most people I've talked to have said they hated anime because of the way it's animated... dry.gif

Then I have to remind those people to look at what the animation looks like in American cartoons...

Usually that shuts them up, but others tend to fight saying, "Well, it's the storyline that counts!"

Then I tell them they're defeating their own argument... laugh.gif
No_One
My mom is the biggest anti-anime person I know. Here are some of the things she says:

1. "Japanese people have small slanted eyes. Why don't the charicters in the cartoons?" (not all of the charicters in anime are Japanese)

2. She calls them stupid-Japanese-shows

3. when ever she "ketches" me watching she rolls her eyes and says it's for kids (thinking about pokemon and dragon ball)
Popogeejo
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Japanese people have small slanted eyes. Why don't the charicters in the cartoons?


Animals don't wear clothes but mickey, Donald, Goofy and several others do. (Oddly Donald Duck wears a shirt but no trousers yet when he gets out of the shower he wears a towel round his waste. WTF?)
Artists aren't going to Draw strait from reality thy're going to stylise their characters.


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2. She calls them stupid-Japanese-shows


Because Western 'toons aren't stupid. *Cough*Animaniacs, Jimmy Newtron, Buggs Bunny .*Cough*

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3. when ever she "ketches" me watching she rolls her eyes and says it's for kids (thinking about pokemon and dragon ball)


Show her Gunslinger girl.
Toby-Chan
Hey, now! Animaniacs is awesome!
Popogeejo
QUOTE(Toby-Chan @ May 11 2006, 04:41 AM) [snapback]393625[/snapback]

Hey, now! Animaniacs is awesome!


Yes but it's still stupid.
"Helloooooo Nurse" and such.
asunder
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QUOTE(Toby-Chan @ May 11 2006, 04:41 AM) [snapback]393625[/snapback]

Hey, now! Animaniacs is awesome!


Yes but it's still stupid.
"Helloooooo Nurse" and such.


as opposed to the stupidity of the taunts of ed's height on fma? or perhaps compared to the sillyness of vash the stampede's womanizing in trigun?
Popogeejo
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QUOTE(popogeejo @ May 10 2006, 08:45 PM) [snapback]393626[/snapback]

QUOTE(Toby-Chan @ May 11 2006, 04:41 AM) [snapback]393625[/snapback]

Hey, now! Animaniacs is awesome!


Yes but it's still stupid.
"Helloooooo Nurse" and such.


as opposed to the stupidity of the taunts of ed's height on fma? or perhaps compared to the sillyness of vash the stampede's womanizing in trigun?


Did I ever say Anime wasn't stupid? I just said Western 'toons were stupid aswell.
Fayth Prophecy
I've asked a few and they just say because it's "animated porn." That's about all.
asunder
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I've asked a few and they just say because it's "animated porn." That's about all.


In some cases isn't that true though?
Popogeejo
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QUOTE(Fayth Prophecy @ May 10 2006, 09:22 PM) [snapback]393654[/snapback]

I've asked a few and they just say because it's "animated porn." That's about all.


In some cases isn't that true though?


I fail to see the problem here... huh.gif wink.gif
Explosive Alchemist
Stupid ass reason..."I just dont like it." Direct quote from my brother. ph34r.gif
asunder
QUOTE(Explosive Alchemist @ May 15 2006, 12:39 PM) [snapback]395694[/snapback]

Stupid ass reason..."I just dont like it." Direct quote from my brother. ph34r.gif


That's called personal preference. Not a stupid reason.
Explosive Alchemist
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QUOTE(Explosive Alchemist @ May 15 2006, 12:39 PM) [snapback]395694[/snapback]

Stupid ass reason..."I just dont like it." Direct quote from my brother. ph34r.gif


That's called personal preference. Not a stupid reason.


All of these statements are personal preference, they are just stupid reasons for the preference. The point is he has never tryed to watch it...he just knows i like it and because of that fact he doesn't like it. There is a stupid reason. ph34r.gif
MeLRizA
An assh*le posted "Anime sucks, get a life.." at an anime video, youtube... He got everyone's missles, which inculdes "You should get a life, m*th3r f*ck3r. Why are you spamming here in the first place?" from my kero-chan laugh.gif
Toby-Chan
Those arguments of "No YOU are (such and such insult)" are pretty stupid as well.
asunder
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QUOTE(asu @ May 15 2006, 03:00 PM) [snapback]395702[/snapback]

QUOTE(Explosive Alchemist @ May 15 2006, 12:39 PM) [snapback]395694[/snapback]

Stupid ass reason..."I just dont like it." Direct quote from my brother. ph34r.gif


That's called personal preference. Not a stupid reason.


All of these statements are personal preference, they are just stupid reasons for the preference. The point is he has never tryed to watch it...he just knows i like it and because of that fact he doesn't like it. There is a stupid reason. ph34r.gif


yeah but that's because he's your brother. That's what siblings try to do. Press each other's buttons.
sweety_pie
my sister and brothers are the same way they always try to annoy me.
Legendary Super Saiyan Broly
because its a cartoon
dont remember who said it but theyre stupid
Popogeejo
Are rather patriotic guy I know on another forum says;
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all Anime characters are either gay or little girls. It's hard to tell which in many cases.

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Anime is one of my pet hates. I despise it with a fiery, burning passion. I deplore it in and of itself and as representative of the adulation heaped on Japanese culture by the British. To me, Anime represents the death of my culture, and I loath it for that reason.

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It's the Japanophiles who rave over it and forget what country they come from and what race they belong to that disgust me.

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We all appreciate aspects of other cultures, but these people take it far too far. They see Japanese culture as the only worthy one on earth and decry their own heritage as inferior.


Oddly enough this stemmed from a talk about the guy from N'sync being gay. At my home forum when we go off topic we go way off topic.
ScarMySoul
I asked my husband why he doesn't like anime and he said he can't stand the way its drawn. I was like that a while back, but it grew on me and I love it.

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Hagane No Renkinjutsushi {ED}
What I really hate is when you say that you like manga and they sterotype it from one scean of the only manga biook they've ever read.For example i was re-re-re-reading the first book af Inu-yasha. They saw that one seen with Kagome taking a bath and immediatly asumed that all manga was pornographic. Heacens forbid they get a hold of Mars or Fushigi Yugi
Popogeejo
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Heavens forbid they get a hold of Gantz or Elfen lied.


Fixed.
slayeralchemist
I used to be an anime hater sad.gif What I used to tell to my friends was that: *Anime is for people that do not have a life. *I also used to think that anime was like cartoons, and I would just laugh at my friends because they were still into cartoons. Anyways something that I learned is that we should give a try to everything because you might never know on what you're missing out.
CoffeAlchemist
I haven't met anyone who has actually "hated" anime, but I have met some people who didn't like Naruto because the eyes were realistic.

Wow. xDD


Oh, and whenever I say "anime" every one in my class assumes I'm talking about "Inuyasha." That, and Naruto are the only anime they know, and they think they know everything Dx
Migchao
"IT SUCKS BECAUSE IT SUCKS!" Accompanied by a shower of spit.

And HOW does it suck?
Ana~Banana~bel
"Cause it's cartoons!" --says 70% of my hater friends.

"Yet you watch Disney movies still" --says I
Razzy
People in my school think i'm a nerd just because i read manga and watch anime.....theyre really mean sad.gif

"It's evil"
"It's Japanese crap"

and the most pathetic thing someone has ever said:
"The shadow is supposed to be on the other side of his body."
(i showed some DragonBall GT to my class and one of my teachers said that)

it makes me mad that people cant understand the coolness of anime mad.gif
but i still love anime no matter what they say biggrin.gif

Popogeejo
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and the most pathetic thing someone has ever said:
"The shadow is supposed to be on the other side of his body."
(i showed some DragonBall GT to my class and one of my teachers said that)


Shadding mistakes aren't a stupid reason reason to hate anime. Poor quality animatrion/colouring is a perfectly legitimet reason to hate anime. True it's unfair to paint an entier Genre with one brush but thats life.
Nicoli Flamel
@Toby chan:
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Okay, for the umpteenth time; Yes, YuGiOh is moderately violent. It is still a kid's show. Yes, yes, Yami no Bakura tears out Pegasus' eyeball and licks the blood off, and all that fun stuff, but children are still it's target audience. Same with other bloody shows such as Naruto, Rurouni Kenshin, Fullmetal Alchemist, etcetera. They're all targeted towards children and young teens. The difference there, is that many of these series have a much more universal appeal than most of those targeted towards children in the US, thus attracting a wider audience and gathering more revenue, but most anime and manga is meant to be marketed towards the younger audiences.


Actually both Yuugioh and Naruto were put in a later slot due to their graphic nature. It was geared for teens, as said of Takahashi-sensei. I should also note that, the reason why they have a universal appeal is becuse there's enough in there to entertain both adults and children. Much like, *gasp* Animaniacs, which is one of the last great American cartoons to air on TV in my opinion. But back on topic. Apparently in Japan there are some strange ideas going around as to what show should follow which, and yes anime is for kids, but it depends on what is defined as kids. Example, the Urasai on Reload from Saiyuki was designed to be a kid friendly lead in to, Pocket Monsters. blink.gif I kid you not. Pokemon followed the guntoting, smoking foursome.

Another note, My own blame on why Anime is held in such distaste comes from the fact that you had shows like Speed racer and such being badly done. Of course you can go on and blame Four Kids, but to be fair they have to work in the WB restictions in a lot of cases, as well as with the FCC. Which can be a real pain. I mean..they got nasty over the fact that at one point in Batman the animated series, Alfred had bat guano fall on his shoulder. The restictions are insane. But japan has it's own.

As for lame excuses.

"Oh man you mean the shows that come from the 80s?"

"Okay why would you want to watch a bunch of animted hot guys when you can watch real live ones."

"The plots are soap operas." dry.gif And the OC isn't?

"The shows rip off of American shows." Uh huh...yeah...

And my favorite story.

Went into my comic shop, and was talking to the guy at the counter. A man walks in wanting to buy magic cards. I commented, "Ah gotta say I like the way they design some of those fantasy characters."

Him: "Yeah better then that crap from Japan. They don't know what they're doing there. They base all their card games on cartoons."

Me: You know that Duel master is an anime based off of Magic right?

Him: phhht. So what, that's lame there too.

Me: what shows do you like then?

Him: Thundercats. Robotech

Me: It was animated in Japan you know.

Him: No it wasn't. Harmony gold did it and it was animated by Hanna and Barbara.

Me: No...Harmony gold bought three series interwove them and made the saga.

Him: No, it and Speed Racer were made here in the states. All good shows come from here in the states.

Me: ....Yeah we all really loved Dino Riders.

Him: Dino what now...that was made in Japan right?

Me:...*smirks and just waits till he goes*

Dino Riders was a series made by Hanna and Barbera back in the early 90s just before Pokemon came out here in the states. Funny thing is that Pokemon blew it out of the water.
FMA4ever
I was watching the Fullmetal Alchemist movie with my cousin Chelsey and my cousin Shelby just sat in the room talking about how stupid the movie is. dry.gif She wouldn't stop!
Popogeejo
QUOTE(FMA4ever @ Oct 16 2006, 03:38 AM) [snapback]460408[/snapback]

I was watching the Fullmetal Alchemist movie with my cousin Chelsey and my cousin Shelby just sat in the room talking about how stupid the movie is. dry.gif She wouldn't stop!


Can you tell us anything more specific?
Nepharski
Most of the people I've met, and I used to be one of them, didn't care much for anime as a matter of taste; not their style, haven't found any that appealed to them, not a fan of animation at all, etc. I can believe that. Of course, I've also met a few people who simply state that Anime sucks or fails at life in some way, but never seem to get around to saying just why.

I just find it annoying that people are willing to judge an entire medium with one flick of the pen, spit of the lip, tap of the keyboard.
asunder
QUOTE(Nepharski @ Oct 16 2006, 02:28 PM) [snapback]460653[/snapback]

I just find it annoying that people are willing to judge an entire medium with one flick of the pen, spit of the lip, tap of the keyboard.

almost annoying as a person who sees a few episodes / series and claim that anime is god's gift to earth?
Nepharski
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QUOTE(Nepharski @ Oct 16 2006, 02:28 PM) [snapback]460653[/snapback]

I just find it annoying that people are willing to judge an entire medium with one flick of the pen, spit of the lip, tap of the keyboard.

almost annoying as a person who sees a few episodes / series and claim that anime is god's gift to earth?

Two sides to the same coin.
beyondredemption
My dad does the "it's from Japan" thing. He still hasn't got over Pearl Harbor. I don't think he was even alive during WWII though...but he was in the Army, so maybe that's why.
FMA4ever
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QUOTE(FMA4ever @ Oct 16 2006, 03:38 AM) [snapback]460408[/snapback]

I was watching the Fullmetal Alchemist movie with my cousin Chelsey and my cousin Shelby just sat in the room talking about how stupid the movie is. dry.gif She wouldn't stop!


Can you tell us anything more specific?



That's really about it. We were sitting in the room and she came in, watched it for 10 minutes and said, "This is stupid! This is gay! Why do you watch this?" dry.gif I was mad because when we told her to leave she wouldn't.
Surio
This is an actual conversation between me and a friend.

"Hey chris, you're display pic is so gay" (He referes to my display picture of Ed.)

"And why is that?"

"Because it's FMA"

"And why is that bad?"

"Cuz it's gay"

Sometimes I think there is no hope for people nowadays, too judgemental.
Chiyo
I love the open minded rolleyes.gif
asunder
his friend was right!
Le Monkey
QUOTE(beyondredemption @ Oct 16 2006, 11:49 PM) [snapback]460810[/snapback]

My dad does the "it's from Japan" thing. He still hasn't got over Pearl Harbor. I don't think he was even alive during WWII though...but he was in the Army, so maybe that's why.

laugh.gif
Yeah that is a pretty stupid reason.

The main one that annoys me is that allot of people dont see the difference between Hentai and anime. ><
asunder
QUOTE(Le Monkey @ Oct 17 2006, 01:15 PM) [snapback]461073[/snapback]

The main one that annoys me is that allot of people dont see the difference between Hentai and anime. ><


Technically Hentai is also included under the umbrella term of Anime.
Le Monkey
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QUOTE(Le Monkey @ Oct 17 2006, 01:15 PM) [snapback]461073[/snapback]

The main one that annoys me is that allot of people dont see the difference between Hentai and anime. ><


Technically Hentai is also included under the umbrella term of Anime.


Yes I know, but I was meaning in the sence of people not wanting to see that all anime isnt hentai. When people see all anime as Hentai
beyondredemption
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QUOTE(asunder @ Oct 17 2006, 06:32 PM) [snapback]461083[/snapback]

QUOTE(Le Monkey @ Oct 17 2006, 01:15 PM) [snapback]461073[/snapback]

The main one that annoys me is that allot of people dont see the difference between Hentai and anime. ><


Technically Hentai is also included under the umbrella term of Anime.


Yes I know, but I was meaning in the sence of people not wanting to see that all anime isnt hentai. When people see all anime as Hentai


I get the "anime is for kids thing a lot, too, and when I tell them about more adult-themed anime, like hentai and yaoi, then they just are like, "Why would you wanna see cartoons doing it?". They don't seem to get that the bodies aren't drawn like normal cartoons, and are usually as life-like as possible, just with anime faces.
Popogeejo
QUOTE(Example #4 on how not to explain why anime is not always for kids)

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I get the "anime is for kids thing a lot, too, and when I tell them about more adult-themed anime, like hentai and yaoi, then they just are like, "Why would you wanna see cartoons doing it?". They don't seem to get that the bodies aren't drawn like normal cartoons, and are usually as life-like as possible, just with anime faces.


Point out there is also anime porn.


What you should have done is point out something like NGE or GitS.
Le Monkey
QUOTE(Popogeejo @ Oct 17 2006, 10:04 PM) [snapback]461184[/snapback]

QUOTE(Example #4 on how not to explain why anime is not always for kids)

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I get the "anime is for kids thing a lot, too, and when I tell them about more adult-themed anime, like hentai and yaoi, then they just are like, "Why would you wanna see cartoons doing it?". They don't seem to get that the bodies aren't drawn like normal cartoons, and are usually as life-like as possible, just with anime faces.


Point out there is also anime porn.


What you should have done is point out something like NGE or GitS.


Yeah, I agree that wasnt the best ways of doing it..
You just strengthened the point I always have a problem with. ><
Funderful
"Pokemon Is Gay".
That's because it's butchered. And It sucks, anyway.
-Points at offender- HOMOPHOBIC! mad.gif

"They're eyes take up half their face"
Yes, And your butt takes up your head.

"Yu-Gi-Oh and all that is stupid."
...



Also, on the behalf of Manga.
One fine day at camp;
"Whats that?"
"It's manga."
"Huh?"
"Japanese Comics. It's called Full Metal Alchemist."
"Isn't that like porn?"
"WHAT?!"
"Don't the Japanese like, Celebrate the womens body or something?"
" mad.gif No, Not, Really..."
"Isn't there naked people in it?"
"It's just... a tad more violent..."
"Yeah, But I heard..."
"YOU HEARD NOTHING, b*tch! I'LL KILL YOU FOR THAT! -Draws circle on floor-"


o_o Okay, that part didn't happen.
But I get REALLY pissed when people pull crap like that.
Popogeejo
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Yes, And your butt takes up your head.


What you should have said:
1) Well look at buggs bunny, that not exactly realstic is it?
2) The eyes allow more emotion to be shown.

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"Whats that?"
"It's manga."


Should have just said comic and saved alot of bother. Thats what it is after all.
Toby-Chan
QUOTE(Funderful @ Oct 17 2006, 02:20 PM) [snapback]461195[/snapback]
"Don't the Japanese like, Celebrate the womens body or something?"


God forbid someone celebrate womens' bodies! =O
Colette
Most of the people I know who hate anime have no note worthy reasons of hating it. =/ I suppose they don't like it because it's not what the "in" crowd does, or something like that.
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