Compare that to the first time it was shown to her.


I complain about it and I make parodies about it.


Yes I'm sure the person who posts that their favorite FMA pairing is Greed x Kimbley is a guy.

Any real information? You don't have to know Japanese to know that there are inconsistencies within how the effect of Lust's locket changes every episode.

@ZetaStriker

please use a better way to express yourself instead of using too many swear words, okay?

@Koda: Chopstick rules and if I remember right you're a staff member, nor? :3

The locket thing is difficult... I can only speculate, but perhaps the pieces of their former selves' bodies have a twofold effect on the homunculi. When confronted with them initially, they feel some kind of psychological shock by the memories of their former selves overwhelming them. Maybe Lust was able to deflect the locket when Ed threw it at her because her memories had fully come back to her and she was not so profoundly affected by them anymore and the shock had worn off. But when Wrath used it on her in the alchemic array, it had a physical effect on her that was triggered by the use of the array, causing her to puke her stones out.

You notice that even though ostensibly he's never faced with a part of his old physical body, Wrath still gets tormented by reminders of when he was taken to the other side of the black gate. This leads me to believe that it's not the physical presence of the mementos, but their psychological significance that paralyzes the homunculi.

- The Laboratory turns into a Machine Factory... wtf?

It's a munitions warehouse, not a laboratory. It never was a lab.

- Dante has like Auto-Homunculus Detect
Nope. But much like Sauron, her spies are everywhere.

- Ed says something about how Kimbley said that people were empty. ED WAS NO WHERE NEAR KIMBLEY WHEN KIMBLEY SAID THAT.

Huh? He doesn't say anything like that. Ed, I mean.

- Ed couldn't've seen the effects of the Serpent's Cross because the Cross's light are what he see's right when he arrives at Dante's house.

- Furthermore, how does Ed make the earlier deduction that Dante could possibly be the one leading the Homunculi? [ep46, really] Ignore the fact that YOU know it to be truth - how does Ed guess it when he's barely even met Dante and knew her for about five minutes?

Ed's a genius. Never forget that. He just puts a bunch of circumstancial evidence together, namely:
a) Layla was Dante's 'apprentice' when he met Dante.
b) Layla mysteriously vanishes from Dante's mansion after Dante is killed.
c) Layla resurfaces in Lior and uses a cheap excuse, like "I was looking for a new place to study alchemy".
d) Layla seems to know a lot more about the homunculi than she's supposed to in Lior.
e) Layla [though she's subtle about it] is clearly interested in seeing Scar create the PS.
f) Hohenheim tells Mustang that there's someone manipulating the Homunculi, which Ed overhears.
g) Hohenheim tells Al that it's possible to switch your soul to another body using the PS, which Al likely tells Ed in turn.
h) Hohenheim is the only one whom Ed knows to have really detailed knowledge of the Homunculi.
i) The connection between Dante and Hohenheim is apparent.

So when you put together these pieces, which are probably sticking out in Ed's mind as being suspicious, Ed deduces [albeit tentatively] that Dante is controlling the Homunculi. He gets his confirmation when Lust says in front of him that the woman she's serving merely wants to use the PS to extend her own life.

well just about how dante could detect the creation of a new homonculus.
If u remember ed and al sent letter to all the persons that knew his dear daddy in order to make him come and see his wife for the last time, it is possible that they sent a letter to dante at the same time saying that their mom is ill and that they wished to find hohenheim.
And there also one or two thing i cant understand... Ed couldnt kill sloth with one death blow... All the ingredients were there. She didnt have any more red stones, and ed didnt kill her the moment she saw wrath . Well i guess there wasnt her bones nearby... but that was the same for greed and he died instantly.
Another thing , why did sloth exploded ? I couldnt understand ed's explication about it, i supposed it was some kind of electrocution due to the automail but that's just a supposition.
hmm in the end we see winry . That's true that she has nothing to do here , but i think it is too easy... Why whould envy turn into winry ... If it is obvious for us it is also obvious for ed .

Despite the distracting clappy problems (and locket problems which I just overlooked), I thought it was a pretty good episode.

I'm still in denial about Lust dying. I'm not 100% convinced Wrath killed her. As pointed out by above posters, she didn't melt into a red pool like Greed and it was a relatively blood free scene (for an often bloody anime). We don't see Wrath slice her and we don't hear any flesh slicing noises either. Wrath may have been shocked by Lust's words and he couldn't do it. She may just have collapsed from exposure to the locket.

But that's just me in denial. If she did die, I hope they mention something in the next episode about her.

Lust is dead. Get over it.

Maybe they can make a homunculus out of a homunculus? i.e. try a human transmute with Lust?

please use a better way to express yourself instead of using too many swear words, okay?

Well, I only swore once. I don't see how that is using too many swear words.

Compare that to the first time it was shown to her.

*Goes back a few more episodes and looks at that* It actually doesn't look like the locket actually affected her, it looks more like it made her remember who she used to be. Keep in mind that it was after that episode that Lust started becoming rebellious.

Lust was given flashbacks of "who she used to be" 2yrs before FMA when she first met Lewjon as shown in ep 35.

But those were very vague and didn't add up to much at the time.

i dont remember when this someone said this but homonculis are copys when faced with their former selfs they turn gaga.for a lack of a better phrase.


sloth burst because wrath came into the room with her bones in him she was somewhat vulnrable, but even if you stab water you dont kill it you just distrurb the molecules that its built out of meaning it can reform.
but when wrath joined with her she became ultra vulnrable and then ed realized how to kill her (like poor greed)by turning her into another material and then killing her.

I think the locket thing has to do witht he amount of their former bodies that they have. Like with Greed Dante had almost his whole skeleton. so compare it to a lock o fhair it would probably effect Lust alot more if Ed had her whole skeleton.

So when it was thrown at her it could have hurt her but she just pushed it aside. technically she could take it and burn it and she never would die. But whatever, no one really knows what is happening until the sub come sout and the series ends.

"like how the hell, did Ed learn the Serpent's Cross anyway?"
Maybe it was one of the things he learnt with the "true knowldege", but didnt realise how to use it before. Just as Al learnt about human transmutation but couldnt understand it.

If it is that weak, it would never have paralyzed her hanging off her claws unopened without any alcehmy circle around her (ep 46).

They keep changing the ways the locket affected her in every episode (ep 47 was a record in that they changed it twice in the same episode).

If the locket requires physical contact to paralyze her, then she could have done anything to Al when he was lying down as the philosopher stone. It is Scar's statement that with the locket there, she could do nothing to Al. If it requires physical contact then, she could have just grabbed Al by the head or whatever body part and dragged him off.

The english subs would not help you out because up to ep 47, they gave no explanation for this.

Once again, IT IS ANIME, it is not based upon a true story, the aim of any animated series or movie is to cast away from reality and its rules. Even tv series have their loads of goofs and inconsistencies so what do you expect more from an anime?
I think it's time you bare in mind that nothing is perfect not even an oscarized scenario.
If you really think that FMA has too many plotholes then stop watching it or even better set up an animation studio and make something better...it sounds so easy and way below your capabilities when I read your comments.

And Scar is such a master of the unholy art of Alchemy, eh? I don't see why we should assume that Scar is correct about this, since there's not a whole lot of evidence that he has any more knowledge about the homunculi than most of the other characters, or even that he has a whole lot of knowledge of alchemy either--it's just his brother's arm that gives him the power. Besides, even if the other characters don't realise it, Lust has already stopped playing the evil role--if the locket really were able to stop her from doing anything to Al, why did she end up on the crucifix afterwards for failing to capture him? She could just explain that there was this locket, see, and she couldn't get close.

Similarly, the initial appearance of the locket has Lust shocked, rather than paralysed. In 47, when Ed tosses it to her, she only actually touches it for a moment, as she knocks it away (he may have forgotten that even if she wanted it, it's not like she can actually hold it). Then later, Wrath uses it to complete the 封印 process and it behaves as before. There may actually be plotholes with respect to the locket, but honestly, I think it's just viewers trying to be too clever by half.

-Tae

Also, when Sloth talks about having their mother's memories, she says that it's just the memories they had of their mother when making her, but ends with かも知れない so she doesn't really know either whether she really has memories from Trisha or not. I suppose the real question is whether she has memories of things other than her children -- e.g. of Hohenheim. There's some suggestion that she might, as when she find's Winry and Sheska in the underground passage and hesitates for no good reason.

But in any event, she's apparently decided more or less that she'd rather not be their mother (as she says repeatedly throughout the episode), since she ought to hate them for making her.

-Tae

Oh, why not. Here's the line:

記憶ならあるわ。ラストが言っていた通りに、あなた達の中にあった母親への想いがそのまま焼き付いただけかも知れないけど。

It comes just after Al says something like

記憶も何もないくせに。

-Tae

In this episode, we see which part of his body Scar brother's had lost to create lust, have you noticed it ?
It is really his genital parts (in the flash back of Lust, we see him with a lot of blood bleeding between his legs)

I think Ed cannot kill Sloth by exploding her even if she has no red stone, because she can change into water, she is protected, so he is forced to transmute her to break the protection

(It was the same thing with Greed, Greed had no red stone but Ed couldn't kill without transmutate him to destroy his ultimate shield)

People, EVERY story has plotholes. How about we focus more on the positive things and stop trying to convince everyone the story sucks? Because it doesn't. I'm getting really tired of these stupid Guests trying to prove everything in FMa is wrong.

well, not in the manga so far ^^

reading what everyone has to say in this thread had made me lose interest in watching the anime even more...

[rant]
the return of the tringham brothers?! what the hell?! sheesh, recycled characters, really... and nina alive?! this is annoying! next thing we know, Hughes is back! And Yoki! And, wait a minute, whatever happened to Tim marcoh (no, seriously)? Then, Scar will also be revived! and in the end, all of the characters will unite to defeat Dante and everything will be nice and dandy! Or maybe, WAIT! Someone else is behind Dante! It's --- Karin from episode 4?! *in case you didn't notice, I'm being sarcastic* [/rant]

Oh well... I'll be waiting for RoyxRiza moments then... or maybe bones will decide that they will profit more if they make roy gay... yeeeesh....

Thank God manga chapter 39 is out by next week!

Well... Nina's not alive, really. She's still just a puppet. Not even animated, as far as I can tell.

I thought it was his lower intestine, or something... But losing his manhood would definitely make sense.

They keep changing the ways the locket affected her in every episode (ep 47 was a record in that they changed it twice in the same episode).

*goes over it again*

The sight of the locket and urgings from Scar somehow allowed Lust to regain the memories of her past life the first time it was used. It didn't paralyze her becase she didn't come into contact with the lock of hair within.

The second time it was pulled out, Lust simply backed off at the threat of it. It did nothing to her.

She finally came into physical contact with it in 46. Both times it was stuck on her(either wrapped around her hand or pierced), and both times she was paralyzed by it. At this point, there have been no changes in how the locket affects her.

In 47, the locket was used to force Sloth to vomit the red stones she had swallowed. This is what bound her, not the locket itself. The only real problem is the time she batted it away. It could be as simple as the because it wasn't stuck to her, it wouldn't be able to affect her any longer than the instant she made contact with it. Other than that, its likely she explained why she could do that as she batted the locked at.

I understand if you disagree with my explanation for why it didn't seem to affect her when she batted it away, but this is enough to make you wait for the sub before claiming you've found a definite plothole.

In Ep 47 they claim the box with Trisha's bones are "nesscessary" to "seal" Sloth and that the Serpent's Cross "seals" the Homunculi. I have read a translation because I am a timer and typsetter and I typset 16mins of FMA 47.

Now how exactly that all works out is very foggy. They don't really "seal" the Homunculus with the Cross. Sealing is more like Imprisonment, but the Serpent's Cross seems to be more or less used to kill the Homunculus.

I think if you use the bones, hair whatever with the cross it makes it so they can't move. The cross doesn't kill them, only makes them extremly weak and mortal.

So according to 47, the creature that the Elric brothers brought into being actually walked/crawled out of the basement?!

I thought that the creature died soon after creation...

No, they performed the transumatation. Al lost his body, Ed his leg. Then Ed saw the creature, sacrificed his arm to put als body in the armor. Then the creature was gone and he took Ed to Winrys house.

Now how the hell did that thing crawl out of the secret room? >__>

I swear in the early episode, when they show Al first in the armored body, he looks at the corner of the basement and sees what they have created, or at least what's left.

Downloading sub of #47 right now... Gonna see if I can get more insight into stuff I didn't pick up from the raw...

Sloth is dead.

She caughted up her red stones - meaning that she didn't have a any amount of lives to live on - and then when combined with her bones Wrath took allowed Elric to transmute her into ether - so she was killed by evaporation. He did something similar to Greece IIRC (transmuted him).

The Cross - was learnt from Lust.

Lust reveales that humonculi ONLY have as many lives as red stone - meaning they use the human lives to avoid dying. They can be "beaten out of them" WITHOUT bodyparts - it just takes a LOT more work (Lust says she was gunna kill Wrath that way).

Great EP, look forward to the next one :-)

Through the secret exit that Ed and Al do not know of

Al says in an earlier episode, "when I came to, that thing that was supposed to be mom was gone."

Yah. Either that was a scripting fuck-up, or the shot of him seeing the homunculus at the beginning of ep. 1 was an animation fuck-up.

Or maybe the mess left a part of her behind

But since they've show the mess eating stone to become human. I mean the mess eat stones, then the mess slowly become human, right? Even dante and hohenheim says it like that.

Then why did lusts flashback show her standing in front of a fleshy mess (mess on camera's side) in that rujon/lust episode?

It's Official: Al is an idiot.

I agree with Bacon's explanation about the locket. It affects Lust in different ways, because the situation is different each time. (Shock of memories returning the first time, shock of touching it for the first time, etc.) In episode 47 she merely brushes it aside, so it's not like she's touching it for an extended period of time.

Still, the way the locket affects her doesn't seem like an important enough plot-point to talk about, compared to some of the other stuff that's happening.
So, moving on:

The biggest surprise for me was seeing Winry in the end of the episode. The smile on her face was very out of character for her.
I am pretty sure it was actually Envy. And I also think the Elric brothers (or at least Al) are going to fall for it. Do they even know that Envy can change shape? And even if they do, Al (although I like him a lot) hasn't exactly shown the best judgement in the past few episodes.

Another surprise was seeing those two fake Elric brothers in the preview. I just love how FMA keeps bringing characters back and makes them important to the story. It makes the series feel like one big story, as opposed to a number of loose episodes. *Wonders if Psiren will make an appearance before the end.*

It wasnt a screw up when Ed saw the failed transmutation, Ed never left the room, unlike Al, until he went to the gate to get Al's soul. It left while Ed was at the gate trading his arm for Al's soul and before al woke up fixed to the armor.

well, actually if i remember right, al saw the "thing" ... because ed said to him thats its not even human shape and al looks at it and is shocked ( he holds ed in his arms in this scene i think...) then they left for rockbells house... maybe at that time sloth escaped ^^

Haven't gone back to check but I vaguely remember Winry's grandmother Pinako saying that she "took care" of ed and al's creation, or buried it, maybe I've just dreamed it up.

so we all have to re-watch the episodes i guess XD

I might be mistaken, but didn't they say that in the manga, instead of the anime?

could also be ^^

Pinako say that in the manga only. In the anime, she never say that. But we did see Al seeing what he and Ed created when he woke up. Think its ep 3 or 4 when it was the first flashback to their children time.

Explain Greed then. He reacts the same way to his bones, and he's been around them a lot longer than Lust. Not to mention, even though she deflects it when Ed throws it at her, it still effects her when Wrath throws it at her, later in the same episode.


Honestly I think it's kind of tacky how they bring back random characters. It's arguable they don't have "enough time" to drag in new ones, but it's not like we know a lot about Lyla, Russell, or Fletcher to begin with. -___-;;

Go to Pokemon then: new "catchables" every episode and yet new characters too but honestly that is not really my standard of quality.
If you really begin to create a new character each episode then you don't have a real story then, it will turn out like a series of sketches. I like to think of this story like a puzzle, any piece counts but you don't have the clear picture untill you assemble it all.

Or maybe you like the kind of anime that reveals suddenly to the very end a "Uber-Evil", a very very very very very very very very evil character, very very very very very very very very strong but we won't know much about it because it will only say that "he, very evil and Elrick Bro are to die, muhahahahahaha, muhahahahahaha, muhahahahaha (Dr. Evil imitation)". Well, once again, that's not my standard of quality anime.

!!! TEAM ROCKET'S ROCKIN' CAUSIN' TROUBLE TO CAPTURE PIKACHUUU !!!

Russell and Fletcher... the reason why I think it's tacky is because they could use the two most random ass guys as some kind of magical link between plot point a and plot point b. it's like how they just randomly had Lyla as Dante's next victim: You know nothing about Lyla, but know you know that she's dead because well, Dante's in her body. Lyla is still nothing but a "catchable," only she got to be in three episodes - the beginning of 34 even then she didn't speak and when we come back to her it's Dante-Lyla.

It's like they're drawing names out of a hat of who to bring back next...

And since you seem to be questioning my "standards" of anime, I should tell you my favorite anime ever is FLCL. I've heard remarks about having my favorite anime being FLCL - one such remark is that I had "low standards."

As for Lyra, since her first appearance, she was portraied as greedy, proud (much like pretentious) and without conscience. The only value she worshiped was power and she was seeking suprmacy so in a way, it is kind of logical to see her at Dante's lair except the irony is that she did not expect someone(Dante) to be more machiavelic than she was.
As for the Tlingum brothers, just give Studio Bones a chance since the story is not revealed yet, maybe they will be used by either Dante or Archer to defeat the Elric brothers...who knows...

Hmm.. I'd have to go back and rewatch the Greed episodes. Too long ago for me to remember. But wasn't Greed standing in the alchemic circle when he was confronted with his bones? Just as Lust was, when Wrath threw the locket at her?

I just saw 47 again and Lust says something to the effect of the circle not being complete without the bones. Perhaps the bones are used to adjust the circle to the homonculus, in a way activating it.
I noticed that Wrath could simply walk over the circle where Lust was trapped. Probably because it was not "adjusted" to him.

About the recurring characters:

In my opinion Lyla was a good choice to bring back. As Guest Again says, it's kind-of fitting to see her with Dante, and (looking at it from a storyteller's perspective) since she has already been introduced, the viewers can instantly connect with her. You already know something about her, you remember her, you might have been wondering what happened to her.
If they'd introduce a new character to play Lyla's part, the audience wouldn't feel involved as much. FMA already has more characters than most anime's I've seen.

Besides, why introduce Lyla in the first place, unless you intend for her to play a part later on? Looking back on it, that whole mining town episode seems to be put in there for the audience to meet Lyla. Which is fine with me. It makes me feel as if a lot of time and planning went into this series and episodes aren't made up on a one by one basis. A continual storyline like this, far has my preference over series that suffer from the "bad guy of the week" syndrome.