IVl yasha lVI
Feb 10 2007, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(Reika @ Aug 15 2005, 05:28 PM)
Ok, this is a discussion going on in the topic "Do you hate what BONES did to FMA?", but since it involves this topic here it is:
I think that the second half of the anime was terrible too because of this:
http://www.ahboba.com/otros/bonesmistakes.pdf*
Wow...I never actually thought BONES made THAT many mistakes. o_O Scary...there's mistakes for almost every episode!
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I know. At first I thought there were some and that I was stupid for not understanding the end quite well XDD when I saw it I was like "I think I didn't get it all" XDDD and then I saw it again and I said "nono, here's something wrong, yeah, that's not possible, nor that, nor that, nor that etc." XD and when I started writing them all seriously I was really puzzled.
Thanks for reading it all!!! It must have been quite a hard time XDDD
I will say that I noticed a lot of boo-boo's in that list of.. Boo-boo's. o.o;
A lot of them were kind of wrong, though I can see where a lot of them would come from.. For instance:
When Envy said, "We were not made, we were born".. He's cocky. That's his personality. Of course he was going to say that they were 'born'...
And Wrath does have Ed's limbs, but if you haven't noticed, he can also stretch them, so says Wikipedia.
When Lust blew up the library, who says that she couldn't have made some sort of explosive? ...I should probably watch that episode again just to see exactly what happened.
And Wrath probably ages because he was transmuted with the leftover Human body. If you haven't noticed, in the movie even when Ed's limbs are gone, he still looks older than he was in the anime. He is also the only Homunculus to have been made with a Human's dead body.
There was way too much more to even go into... I started getting a little fed up with typos and grammatical errors.. Headaches. :/
Wolfgang Olin
Feb 10 2007, 05:06 PM
QUOTE (deadbeat @ Aug 12 2005, 01:07 AM)
I just finished watching all 51 episodes, and I have to say what an awful, awful series that was. Love the manga, but the anime is steaming pile of dog poop. For those of you who haven't watched all of it and don't want any spoilers, you should stop reading this now.
***SPOILERS BELOW***
***SPOILER WARNING***
First of all, the basic premise doesn't make any sense. The great secret behind The Gate is that it links to Europe during World War I and II? What a bunch of mindless pedagogy. "Oh gee, war is bad!" Thanks for the memo, what a shocker. The show never missed an opportunity to grandstand on the obvious, like how killing innocent people is wrong, people should not be greedy or ruthless, children should honor their parents, blah blah blah. Who needs the petty moralizing? What a giant waste of my time. When it's not spitting out some incomprehensible nonsense about the cosmic order of the universe, it's delivering some grade school lesson about war. On a sidenote, I also find it ironic that a Japanese television should would select Germany to deliver the lecture on countries who wage war on innocent people--where's the rape of Nanking? I guess it's easier to stuff generalizations down the throats of your audience when you're pointing the finger at someone else.
That show is 17 hours of buildup for no psychological payoff. If Dante was controlling all of the homunculi, how about a little mroe background information on her? Or Hohenheim? Instead there's a lot of weepy, maudlin scenes where Ed and Al have to Do the Right Thing, Even If It Hurts. Snooze. It's a boring, one-dimensional show with little or no character depth. Like, could Al be any more of a whiner? I kept hoping he would die so I wouldn't have to listent to him complain and whine constantly. In fact, the most interesting character is actually Scar, but he is poorly used as a foil to Edward.
The only thing I can hope for is that the manga doesn't turn out as bad.
But somehow I doubt it.
Well, it's a good thing you understood the series, otherwise you wouldn't bash it.
By the way, that was sarcasm.
I know this is my first post, but I might as well set this idiot straight.
If you did pay attention, you'd figure out that the gate was in fact a door way between both worlds. Beyond the gate from Ed's world, is OUR World, where church rules instead of science. Religion, as you should have noticed, in Ed's world is almost non-existant, except for the very first episode, where Ed and Al find a town with a fake prophet. Plus the fact that the Ishbalin people worshiped gods and banished Alchemy.
In our world it's different like polar-opposites.
Plus, if this guy was smart he would have done what everyone already said, numerous times. If you didn't like the anime, than go watch some other crap.
Your just wasting more of your time writing a useless rant.
<*cough* You wasted your time by replying to 2 year old post. And, you should stop bashing of other posters. Else we need to set you straight for the better posting decorum. ~ Board staff>
PUKE
Sep 10 2007, 11:37 PM
lol. the anime wasn't as bad as i thought before. obviously, the manga owns. the only thing i like that BONES did to the fma anime is Dante. oh yeah, she's my type of woman. <3 <3
natsu-hime
Nov 24 2007, 01:30 AM
maybe someone already thought or this or posted this but i think, about the fact that they decided to cut off the roiai moments...first time i read it and i was screaming like "WTF! KILL BONEZ AND MITSUSHIMA SEIJI!" but what if it is actually hiromu arakawa who requested it? i mean, if in the 'deleted' parts contained scenes that actually stated that the feelings between them is true (or false) and some major lovey-dovey scenes that'll make us go nuts and squee and kyaa and blah blah blah or roy confessed his love or riza confessed his love then some problems happened that makes roy got demoted and they separate. but maybe there is a reason why arakawa wants it to be cut off. maybe she is planning something similar for her manga and manga readers (and roiai fans), we are still eagerly waiting for them whether they confess their love or how their relationship will end or something like that. arakawa is actually taking advantage of the popular couple to add more drama and plot twist in her manga - so maybe it is like that LOL
random theory based on chibi party:
neya michiko is pissed off to voice romantic lovey-dovey scenes with a jii-jii (gomen, ookawa-san)
Saving_Grace
Jun 19 2008, 10:35 PM
Spoiler warning...
Hmm, character-wise, I think Bones did ok, the only things that annoyed me were angsty-Roy in the film, and the lack of development with the Ed-Winry stuff. I can deal with the lack of Royai.
In general, the manga is FAR better than the anime.
The things that REALLY annoyed me were the FMA movie (what the hell?) and the last two episodes of the anime. I just loathed the WWII idea in the film, and their thinly-veiled attempt to bring back dead characters (Hughes, Lust, Scar) was a nice idea, but it fell a little flat for me. The ultimate climax in the anime was stupid- just a clumsy attempt to make ends meet.
And killing off Izumi inbetween the anime and movie was just horrible, did not do her justice at all.
I think BONES are just... just...
A bunch of naughty, bad men!
chikolu
May 4 2009, 01:15 PM
you are so right! I loved the first anime version but when Bones changed the story it was like i was seeing another series! i was so mad that i didnt watch the last 10 episodes!
luluseason
Jun 4 2009, 01:44 PM
No, because I think the story the way the set it out in the anime is well thought out and well made, even though it doesnt follow the manga, I respect the story that they came up with. It turned out to be a Big Sucess anyway.
I like both though, its like different sides to the same story, which makes it more interesting than reading and watching the same thing.
Full_Metal_Clinch
Jul 5 2009, 12:52 PM
To Be Honest the whole of the first series felt like it was rushed
Forsaken Love
Jul 5 2009, 01:13 PM
I watched the anime first, but after reading the manga I find it very difficult to like the first series anymore because the manga is just supieror in every way to me XD all though i throughly enjoyed it before i read the manga, so even though i voted a absoloute YES, i can't hate it as i probably wouldn't have got into fma otherwise and without the manga to compare it to (bar the ending that sucks) it was very good
Cinnamae
Jul 5 2009, 05:18 PM
I've used the word "despise" to describe my opinion of the first anime in the past. Now I've grown to dislike it. Though, I still despise the ending and the movie. The anime was the first FMA experience I had, but I still didn't like it. Something felt so wrong, to me. While I liked the basic idea, the story seemed to get more and more convoluted and melodramatic. After I finished the anime, it took me almost a year to give the manga a shot.
Aribelle
Jul 5 2009, 06:03 PM
I kind of view the first anime and the manga as two separate entities, so it didn't really bother me when I found out how drastically different the first anime was from the manga. I wasn't even planning to watch the anime until a friend of mine convinced me, and while I didn't like it nearly as much as I like the manga I wasn't put off by it in any way. They're so different that it's hard for me to even think of them as the same franchise lol.
kkg22104
Jul 5 2009, 07:55 PM
I don't think they ruined it...after all Arakawa asked them to make it different. I'm just glad they're "redoing" a second season
Bag of Magic Food
Oct 30 2009, 06:01 PM
QUOTE (Wolfgang Olin @ Feb 10 2007, 07:06 PM)
Beyond the gate from Ed's world, is OUR World, where church rules instead of science. Religion, as you should have noticed, in Ed's world is almost non-existant, except for the very first episode, where Ed and Al find a town with a fake prophet.
I remember someone pointed out that Clara became a nun at one point in episode 10, but Christianity was unheard of later on. Huh?
I wouldn't say that religion overtook science or vice-versa in either world. It's more like both worlds had different kinds of religions and sciences. And if Hohenheim was right, then the physics in one world work because it's in a
parasitic relationship with the other world... So why is that never brought up again? Shouldn't Ed or someone have explored the ramifications of all alchemy being powered by
death in a parallel universe? Like, does a transmutation actively
kill someone, or does it just take the opportunity to use the
soul energy from someone who's already dying? Eh, I guess they wanted to pack a lot of revelations into the TV ending, but they didn't want the movie to be full of Ed running around screaming "ALCHEMY IS
PEOPLE!!!"But now whenever I watch the brothers' cute little alchemy duel in episode 38, I imagine every transmutation flash accompanied by
"DIE." "DIE." "DIE." "DIE." "DIE."
Fullmetal666
Dec 14 2009, 03:07 AM
I don't hate what Bones did. In fact I prefer there take on the FMA series over the original manga. I feel that they added depth to the characters. I feel that they give the characters more heart and soul to them then the manga ever did.
Every character had a reason for what they were doing.
Take Lust for example, in the manga she's a boring character, but in the anime, she had a reason for everything she did. And in the end she died helping Ed.
Another reason why I like the anime over the manga is cause it has a kind of dark feel to it at times(especially at the end of the series). Where at times the manga has silly moments in it that took me out of the story for a moment.
So all in all I love what Bones did to FMA.
lunneth
Dec 14 2009, 06:21 AM
i think it was fine both ways. i think it had its high and low points. to be honest i don't know what i could point out to show what ai mean but i do have reasons.
shanryelric
Mar 23 2010, 09:59 AM
actually, i hate it. the manga story line is way better, I think. but they did a great job.
Misty- Nala
Jun 18 2010, 01:25 PM
No, I don't. I love it.
I have always taken the two series as separate stories which have the same ground. The manga is more action packed, the first anime focuses more on the emotional side.
Some say that the fact that manga wasn't ready when the anime came out was a huge lack but I disagree. This way, the makers, script writers and all, they had the ground and could do what they wanted. They weren't tied by the manga although Brotherhood is. The first anime is different from the manga mainly by two facts:
1) The result
2) The role of some characters
I think that the first anime focused more one the characters and made them seem more realistic than the manga did. I, for one, did NOT miss the exaggerated manga humor. The whole style of the first anime was more realistic, nothing made me feel like "This wouldn't happen".
Also, the outcome was very sad but extremely creative.
Summa summarum, I loved they way they handled some characters. Hughes was given a much bigger role in the plot and in Elric brother's live so the impact of the ep 25 was much more powerful. For he was on the show such a long time, the reactions, mainly Mustang's, were more understandable. Also, Sheska got much bigger role, she was forgotten in the manga.
Now that I've read the whole manga, I've come to the conclusion that the first anime was more about the Elric brother's and their journey to restore themselves. The manga was more about the destiny of whole Amestris, it didn't just focus on the two. But, anyway, the two stories focus on different things and should be treated separately.
AXavierB
Jun 18 2010, 03:07 PM
I could never hate the first anime. It's what originally introduced me to Fullmetal Alchemist in the first place. I started reading the manga because the anime had ended and I wanted more of the series. I think the overall story of the manga is better, but the first anime outshines it in a few areas.
The first anime focuses more on realistic character development than on the story itself. You're less concerned about how the philosopher's stone is created and how alchemy works than you are about how it affects the characters. For example, Dante wasn't as "cool" or powerful a villain as Father, but she's more frightening because she's disturbingly human. She's motivated entirely by her vanity, selfishness and fear of death, and she copes with these fears by destroying lives for her own benefit. Father, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have any motive beyond the typical shounen antagonist's ambition for power. Not that this is a bad thing, but it's much easier to identify with Dante than with Father, who isn't human at all in the way he works.
The homunculi are more dynamic because they each have their own backstory in the anime rather than all originating from the same source for the same cause. They're sociopaths because of the incidents surrounding their creation and suffer existential crises. They're not in it for the evulz; they want the philosopher's stone so they can become human and stop feeling like freaks and abominations.
I think many people who hate the first anime for not being a faithful adaptation overlook the fact that Hiromu Arakawa told BONES to create their own storyline. I see so many people saying Brotherhood is "what the creator intended" ignoring the fact that she intended for the first anime to be what it is.
EDIT: I'd also like to mention that I like the first anime's more subtle sense of humor. Not that Arakawa's isn't great, but... yeah. The first anime had more clever humor and less slapstick.
LooneyLolita
Jun 18 2010, 03:42 PM
Yes.. I wished I never had watched the frist anime.. :/
FailToImpress
Jun 19 2010, 03:25 AM
Not at all. Series 1 is what I started with, and for that I'll always love it!
Yes, it has its flaws, but deeps down I secretly really love it.
It was never going to be as good as the manga, but what they did do with it was good, I thought. I also liked most of the homunculi a lot more in the first series, simply because, for instance, Lust had more depth and background to her.
AXavierB
Jun 19 2010, 02:36 PM
Exactly. The first anime really gives characters like Lust some personality. In the manga it seems her entire character is "How can I serve Father in the sexiest way imaginable?"
Cloud5614
Jun 19 2010, 06:20 PM
I though the first anime was ok.....until I watch the brotherhood anime, its was so much better, especially with the whole Xing plot added...
I think the first anime took a more relax plot compare to the second one, which have a lot of drama and excitement in each episode....This is how I look at it anyway....
Misty- Nala
Jun 20 2010, 10:07 AM
QUOTE (AXavierB @ Jun 19 2010, 01:07 AM)
The homunculi are more dynamic because they each have their own backstory in the anime rather than all originating from the same source for the same cause. They're sociopaths because of the incidents surrounding their creation and suffer existential crises. They're not in it for the evulz; they want the philosopher's stone so they can become human and stop feeling like freaks and abominations.
I forgot to mention this but I totally agree. The homunculi from the first anime really touched me, especially Lust, Sloth and Envy. Lust's Ishvalan background was an interesting characteristic in her ( and her connection with Scar). Those homunculi had a reason for reaching their aim. They weren't mindless servants as in the manga, they were more human since that is what they used to be. They had feeligs and maybe some kind of bonds with each other ( you see LustEnvyGluttony team more in the first anime than in the manga) Also, while in the manga the human transmutation that Elric's performed is pretty much forgotten, in the first anime it follows the brothers everywhere and Sloth just makes the impact heavier. And then there is Envy, what can I say about the guy. The fact that Envy was the son of Hohenheim and therefore the main heroes' half-brother was something I never thought would happen. Yet, it really explains Envy's hate and jealousity, all the dark feelings inside of him. He was first cursed to be a homunculus by his father, and then he left the now-born Envy.
FullTylerStarke
Jun 20 2010, 02:31 PM
wow I was going to ask anyone if they had seen the brotherhood series, then I realized the last post in this thread was in 2005,
wow people wow
Note from board staff: *cough:please check the last page of the thread for the latest and recent posts, and not the first page:cough* ^^
AXavierB
Jun 20 2010, 07:57 PM
Envy's dilemma in the first anime was very well-written, in part because it's so realistic. There are people in real life who have suffered the trauma of having one of their parents leave to start a new family, and on top of that he has a horrible, selfish person like Dante for a mother. He's sure to be screwed up in the head.
Claudius
Jun 21 2010, 09:33 AM
Do I hate what Bones did to Anime1?
Interesting question. Anime1 was what got me into FMA fanship. If I had not seen the series at the time I saw it, I would never have read the manga & its alternate continuity (my interest in wanting to see the hottest Anime was waning around the time-line I finished Anime1 on its premiere on Cartoon Network) or be on this Discussion Board.
Anyway, I loved the story adaptation. Arakawa told Bones to write a different ending, meaning they knew what she had planned, and I had no problem with the changes. I liked the Homunculus being human trasnmutations, Envy being an elric brother, Roy killing Winry's parents, the bigger importance of Maes Hughes as a character, etc. Although Father made more sense as the Big Bad (in that he was more alien), I still thought Dante meant business as a Big Bad. I loved the movie, and- despite being in the minority- I beloved the resolution of the Brothers Elric in the real world. Think of the possibilities!!! Too bad it was left to the imagination.
But there is one way I could hate Bones for what it did. It affected my view of the manga series. Anime1 was a more cynical, darker series, and so I felt its imperfect, bittersweet ending made sense. Things don't go the way you want it in real life. This trumped the manga in comparsion. I found it hard to believe how perfect things worked out for Edward and Roy in the manga. Arakawa pulled her punch a lot, whereas Anime1 usually impaled the viewer. If Anime1 did not exist, I would have cared not for the perfect resolutions, and accepted the manga's tone like other shonen stories. But after the darkness and bittersweetness of Anime1, I couldn't believe in the perfect happily-ever-after.
So, overall, NO. I don't hate what Bones did.
AXavierB
Jun 21 2010, 02:05 PM
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Things don't go the way you want it in real life.
That's not always true, though. Even in real life it's entirely possible to earn your happy ending, which is why I liked the way the manga concluded. But I do get what you're saying.
Cool & Twisted
Jul 7 2010, 12:28 AM
I absolutely love the the first anime and what Bones did with it.
After looking at the anime you come to enjoy the realistic portrayal of characters and spend less time introducing power-house characters like those in the manga. The art felt far too cartoony and spins it's wheels too much and that it's hard to keep up. It made it that it's so that it's hard on which it's trying to focus it's attention on more; is it action sequences, character relationships, Ed Winry romance scenes. It's far too difficult to grasp which is most important. It's obvious now why it's as popular it's because the antagonist is a cosmic threat because of how he's able to have god-level strength in the end. There's zero level of character development, barely any chapters centered on the characters or ones that focus on Ed and Al's relationship even though the anime based on the manga is called "Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood".
xMinty
Jul 7 2010, 07:32 AM
NO WAY!!!
I ADORE THE FIRST ANIME!!
I'm not going to go into detail of how amazing it is because then I would have to write paragraphs so I won't.
I 100% agree with the above comment though
xHearter
Jul 8 2010, 12:25 PM
I LOVED the first series. I actually hate what they did to brotherhood. Even tho the manga storyline is good, it's just badly displayed in brotherhood. TERRIBLY displayed.
the first series plot line is way better anyway
but I can't stand watching brotherhood, I read the manga, but brotherhood is just,NO WAY!
and I hate the dub, Vic sounds bord out of his mind and ends up sounding like yukito, and al is done by a girl. A GIRL!
I miss aaron dismuke and his cute little al voice! T^T
but omg, I'm glad most of you said no, most people I meet like brotherhood WAY better.
GhyZe
Jan 18 2011, 07:48 AM
I haven't watched the first anime series yet, but I often heard bad rumor about it. It seems BONES changed all over the plots and also the characters development(especially Roy, whaaa~!!)
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And after I read all of your comments, I'm barely understand why Envy is one of the most favorite characters...
I like to say, that, I like the original story of FMA... T_T
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