*holds up hands* The Save Shou Tucker club wins. But I still want to say that I and probably quite a few other people care less about the curious, two-minute characters that were killed than Nina, who was turned into a chimera at the hands of her own father. And he only did that so he could continue his work as a state alchemist. That is why I hate him. I'm not saying you're wrong to not hate him, this is just my opinion.

I never said I like Tucker. I actually don't care for him at all. That doesn't mean I can't challenge your opinion and give my own.

Oh. Well, you sounded like you liked him, but I was wrong. We all have different opinions.

Now this is the one arguement in FMA that will go on for as long as the anime series gets shown in repeats and whenever people read volume two of the manga.

I think that it really all boils down to your perception and opinion of Shou and the things he did... some people see a monster, some people see a tragic story of a man driven to insanity as a result of using his own daughter in an experiment...and others see something inbetween.

There's a *lot* of differing opinions about Shou out there, possibly correct and incorrect...but the only thing people can do is speculate because we'll probably never be given the true answer. ^^;

Heck, I've seen people who dislike or are neutral towards Shou; and they still come up with points that make him out to be a neutral guy whose neither good or bad.

Although since I'm a fan of Shou Tucker ( Shou fangirls do exist people, please have mercy on us! ^^; ) I realise that I could end up being biased to defend my favourite character just like I did last year...since I was in this thread a lot.

But concerning the regret for his wife...there is that one bit in episode 6 where Ed and Al mention about wanting to see the talking chimera; there's a very noticable look of shock on Shou's face for the moment...but he seems to just do one of those nervous smiles of his afterwards.
So I think ( I think, but we don't know for sure) he does regret about what he did to his wife to some degree...but it's nothing compared to when Nina happens to be the one that gets transmuted.

Seriously though, I agree with the points that Fushigi Rockna presented and they sound pretty accurate to my opinion too.

I hate him. I was so sad & shocked when he turned out evil. He seemed so nice....

You're right, Becca-chan. This argument will go on forever, and both sides (or all three, counting the group that is neutral) have good points. I hate Shou Tucker, so I'm biased in the opposite way.

Nah I just like making points and contributing to conversation. playing Devil's Advocate is fun too.


Although I do think it's very likely his wife was verbally abusive. He doesn't have much of a spine, and the spineless ones often do end up with awful wives who like pushing them around. It happens a surprisingly lot in the world, but gets overshadowed by abusive husbands.

I love the guy and I can't begrudge his scientific research. He made huge sacrifices for the sake of bettering the States understanding of Alchemy.
He's a hero.

Yeah, well...!
You're my hero. :>

I hate Tucker! Nothing is worth killing your wife and adorable
daughter over.

Would it be okay if they weren't married and Nina was ugly?

I still say it's wrong.

Ya know, that's a good question. How would we the fans feel if Nina was a little brat, or was suffering from a disability (either physical or mental) that made it extremely difficult to live? (making her a chimera would let her walk again! ) We would probably have more discussions about ethics and morals if that were the case.

i'd like to say, first of all, that i hate tucker. he turned his entire family into chimeras. when he changed nina into one, it was only to stay a state alchemist. and he was a state alchemist so that he could earn money so he and his daughter wouldn't starve or anything.

i think most people would still be disgusted, but slightly happy (as in a really tiny bit) if nina was really bratty and complains a lot, although it is really cruel to create a chimera out of your family. if she was really annoyin it would mean that we wouldn't have to listen to any complaints, boasts, etc.

if she was disabled that would make most people even more disgusted since they would think that tucker only made her a chimera because she was useless or something similar. however if like your example, fushigi rockna, that she couldn't walk, then, i think people would be happier. it would mean that tucker cared about nina and since creating chimeras was his specialty, he used that to since he was confident it was going to work.

Ok... I had to register just to be able to get this off of my chest. In NO way shape or form should ANYONE ever try to make excuses for this jackass! And anyone who does deserves the same thing he should have gotten. That being a savage merciless beating followed by a slow painful agonizing death! I do NOT care how much pressure you are under! You do NOT do this type of thing to another living being. Especially your own wife or daughter! And there should be NOBODY that would sympathize with him!

I sympathise with Shou, he was under such pressure and it was for the greater good of understanding Alchemy.

I support Shou Tucker, no joking.

Even though he turned Nina into a Chimera, he must have loved her. After all, he did dedicate the rest of his life to bringing her back.

We don't know his wife. Maybe she was a total psycho and he was doing everyone a favor by turning her into a chimera.

I really dislike this guy. How can he do it to his own kid and dog. He is regreting it because he got lonely and lost everything. Even if he was pressured I think he shouldnt be tramuted a family member just for a title.

I really hate him! I mean a man who turns his daughter, wife and dog in to Chimeras so that he can stay as an state alchemist! That man is sick and he makes me feel sick to my stomach!

I hate him !
because Ed hate him!

shou tucker is so evil!!! to think that he would transmute his daughter and wife!!!!! also, even if he knows he can't do it, he tries to remake an new nina!!!!

I hate him!!! He's a freaking psycopath who killed his own wife and daughter just for his own selfish reasons!!!!

What he did, in my opinion, was morally wrong.

Still, remember the man was at the end of his rope. From the sound of it, his wife was not terribly accepting of what he was trying to do, and sounded, as she was described, a demanding woman. We can only make assumptions, but perhaps she was cruel or petty enough to drive him to use her as an experiment, in an effort to cut off her demands. It doesn't make it right, nor do I believe he holds no regret, but using the final result to explain all the motives of one man is not an objective perspective.

As for the argument that Nina was bratty, that is actually entirely possible when she was under the influence of her mother, who may have had a streak of pettiness and brattiness herself. Could Tucker have used her mother for that reason as well? It's all idle speculation, but there are a number of factors involved in this.

On the other hand, Nina may have reminded him of his wife in some way.

I don't like Shou. He doesnt have human heart anymore. What kind of guy who would turn his own wife and daughter to a beast. How could you be so heartless???

Definitely I hate him. I hope, that everyone knows why - He killed his little, cute daughter :x

I don't think it's really feasable to LIKE Shou Tucker, seeings as what he did was in no question morally wrong. If you do like him there's something wrong with you. That being said I think you can sort of feel sorry for him (more so in the first series than in the manga) as he was clearly driven down a path that he didn't want to go down. It's not like he had no remorse or hesitation about what he did. Obviously being a state alchemist was all that kept him and his daughter off the streets, and it's pretty obvious that after his experiment on Nina he'd completely snapped. He'd obviously lost what little left of his sanity. Watch the scene in Brotherhood again, and you'll see it clearly. The part where he Golem's his Watch (if you get what I mean) clearly shows that his mind had gone. Least is what I think anyway.

So to answer the question, I dont LIKE Shou Tucket, but I do feel a tiny bit sorry for him in a way. Mad sod.

Obviously I hate him. He's a sick bastard. I don't understand how someone could appreciate a similar character

I don't like him. He is the most cruel man I have ever seen.

I do like Shou Tucker. I don't agree with what he did, and I don't think that he should be forgiven. But I find him to be a interesting character.
Tuck is very weak in the fact that he never stands up for himself. He allows himself to be pushed around by other people.
I felt bad for him at the end of the first anime series.
I know that there are some fans who think that he should die. But I think that the best punishment for Shou Tucker is letting him live. That way he'll have to live with the guilt of what he has done.

As a person, Tucker is a horrible, evil man, and I hate him. As a villain though, I gotta love him. The character is so twisted and messed up! He's like Hannibal Lector; such an evil, evil genius! XD
What he did was awful. He's the sickest character in FMA. He's fun to write too; I'm actually working on something about him.
I like the character because he is the perfect, creepy bad guy. I don't think there's anything(evil) he's not capable of doing.

I don't love now hate him: I feel sorry for him. He was under too much pressure; it's the military and especially Grand who are to be blamed about the whole outcome. He was desperate and knew that he could not provide a good life to his daughter. So, I think he made sure that at least he was going to live although Nina got transformed into a chimera. I don't doubt his love for his daughter, it was shown many times during the first anime.