Anywaysee, I've just watched the movie again today, some parts are soo sad, it makes want to go and sob my eyes out! I mean, Al Heiderich, Hohenheim and Wrath all die and Winry and Ed will never get to see eachother again, and I personally think Ed should've told Al/Mustang to tell Winry something else, besides just "thanks for the automail" although it was really sweet when they happily reunited. ;_;

Hello, topic creator here.

Just got the movie yesterday night, and watched parts of it today. To tell you the truth, I didn't sit through to watch the whole thing (saving that for when I see a friend a few weeks later), but from what I got, I rate it good ( B ).

There were some confusing points but somehow, it felt "right" for me. The part with Wrath was especially moving.


The subs weren't very good though, guess I'll have to wait until a better sub/American DVD comes out...

It was cool..But I was not satisfied with it's outcome or some of the things that happened.

well i gave it a ok... cause i reallyt dont care about Ed and Al or what they do... but Roy being depressed and tehn coming back like a total badass... was just the shit... i would watch that movie over and over agian just to see that seen.... w--t!

Ifelt the same exact way. There were things left unsaid....holes not filled. You see many of the characters from the anime...but it doesn't go on to talk about them that much....as if they were just ordinairy people. They didn't explain what happened to Gluttony....and who was that woman trying to destroy shambala? The Ed/Win thing was left as if it were nothing...she really didn't even play a MAJOR part in the movie. They didn't explain the story about Noa very well either. I would give this movie a 6/10...only because it had to do with the anime...and I loved the anime.

Actually, it was established that the reason for alter!Al's illness was Tuberculosis, not anything from the Hagaren World. Keep in mind that TB was hugely rampant during this time in history, ESPECIALLY in Germany, Poland, and Russia during WWI and WWII.

Here's an exerpt from Wikipedia on the disease: "[Alternate name for the disease] Consumption (TB seemed to consume people from within with its symptoms of bloody cough, fever, pallor, and long relentless wasting)."

To see more, click here for the article.

~Merc

Well i just downloaded the movie with subs and its good quality, no theater filmed crap. so now im going to watch it and when i done i'll rate it. It looks pretty good. Wonder if its better then the Naruto movie??? well im editing this post cause i just finished watching the movie and.... its hypeee!!!! i love it. and yes it is better then the naruto movie. i was kinda pissed off because of the decision that the Elric's made at the end. Poor Wrath.

The Gate gave Ed the ability to suddenlly be able to clap his hands to use alchemy I don't see why she couldn't learn alchemy just by passing thru it. I believe the gate is just a collection of knowledge of those who died. Those who pass through it get a bunch of knowledge pressed into their heads.
Gluttony ate alot of The perfect pholisphers stone which was Al. So I guess you could say the power of all those souls mutated him.
Wrath wanted to get back with Izumi and help Al open the gate. What more does he need to say? o.O
For Winry we have the manga which has more EdxWinry then the anime ever saw.
Oh wait it might be that I watched the Sub version and you didn't. meh

I'd rate it as Good. I liked the story and how my questions of episode 51 were answered in the movie. Not to mention every battle scene in the movie was executed and animated well! I just wish they explained the begining segment of the movie better, and I do feel sorry for Winry . Overall it was a great movie, probably the best animated movie I've seen. I'm just bummed that they can't make a sequal or OVA to Conqueror of Shambala, since Ed technically isn't the 'FullMetal Alchemist" anymore.

EDIT: Only gripe about the movie was it's length. Bones should have made it a lot longer considering this is their last time working with the FullMetal Alchemist series. Because of it's short length, there were some scenes that were "too convient" for Ed. (Like escaping that Nazi Socialist Bar)

Well Actually the begining was a prelude to the end were he frist heard about the uranium bomb. Then he heard it was in our world so he now wants to find it and get rid of it.

Hi, new to the FMA forums and posting for the first time, please forgive me for any of my poor grammar and comments that may affend some people. After I finished watching the FMA subs (I can't stand the Thais crappy translations of the series ><) i straight away downloaded the movie. The movie left me EXTREMELY disappointed. Sure, I'm a FMA freak and I loved the 51 anime series, but the movie got my love for FMA down in the dumps. Like what other posters said, there are too many unanswered questions. The Gluttony being a freakish monster thing I quess was the result for eating Dante. But what I don't get is the alchemy is our world part? Why did Mustang get demoted? How the Nazi know about the FMA world? Who was that villain?

Besides from the unanswered questions the ending was terrible to me. So Ed and Al are stuck in our world forever? And Winry is left alone is the Hargaren world with only childhood pictures left? The feeling of hopelessness of the characters left a bad taste on my tongue. The anime series left me with a good feeling, peace to restored to Ametris, everybody having their own place, and the sense of hope for all characters. Ed is stuck in our world and is finding a way to return to his world while Al is doing the same thing. So that gave me a feeling of gladdness that the characters will be reunited someday (and Ed and winry will be together yay!) But the movie!? Ed and Al stuck in our world? No alchemy? And the that Winry is left alone in the dark? I feel so bad for her... And the worse part that knowing its the true ending? No hope of the brothers returning to the Hargaren world? And Winry is separated from Ed FOREVER?

I gave the movie a 5/10.....the movie has too many unanswered questions and very unhappy ending for me. The action scenes are great, but it lacks the magic thats in the anime series....well thats my opinion.

It would be interesting if they continued it in a series and it turns out that Alter-Hughes is Hitlers right hand man.

I thought it was ok...I mean it was good because it was FMA, but at the same time some of it didn't seem to make much sense

[spoiler]For instance, when the Armors attack Lior: first of all, they said that they were probably 'already dead' from passing through the gate...then how the hell could they be attacking the city then?

How did Eckhart become so insanely powerful? Why were those transmutation circles all of a sudden engraned in her hands?

How was Winry able to connect Ed's automail in 20 minutes or maybe even less when we you have to do the surgery and connect it to each nerve--something that would take time, and is extremely painful--but Winry only has the automail and a screwdriver + some screws to do it?

Also, why was there an Al armor in our world? Granted, I know they are parallel universes but by that same token that seems too much to just be a coincidence...did it travel through the gate after Al transmutated Ed? I understand they wanted to use it for the initial Ed/Al reunion, but still..also how did the Uranium bomb get into our world? Did that man not die from passing through the gate?

I don't know, anyone else feel this way when watching the movie? Overall I liked it, but there were some things that I couldn't just overlook.

The initial Ed/Al reunion scene was the best in the movie...it was so well done...just wow. The movie was too rushed though and we barely got to see Winry, Mustang, and other characters. [/spoiler]

I loved the series, and I like the movie, but at the same time some of this stuff is hard to overlook...

I just wish they would have maybe made it into 2 four-episode OVA's or something like that, so then they could have the time and be able to work with the character developement to end it the right way. I mean follow the same basic story, but tell it differently...if that makes sense.

I can't answer you because I didn't see the movie but you should have asked this in the numerous movie threads already existing.

I SO argee with u they rushed through that movie to fast. They should taking things a little slower. When my friend had given me the movie to look at i was so exited, i could'nt wait to see it.
When it ended all i could say was "Your kidding right, that's it". I watched it over and over but it still didn't make sense. Am glad there's at least one person who thinks it didn't make sense



I went to .................... to in 98min and 78seconds

I feel the same way. It seems that they rushed through the movie without explaining much. I think that it would have been a lot better if they set it up in some OVA type. Having it split up into maybe like 10 30 min episodes. I only liked the movie because it had to do with FMA, but didn't really even feel like it belonged in the FMA genre. Watching the series again after seeing the movie makes me feel that the movie is way different, and even seems that it was created out of the blue.

I would also like to say though that I did enjoy the movie....if they would offer an explanation to at least SOME of the things I mentioned, I would be satisfied. I mean, I don't think that I can say that these things are really 'plot holes'; we simply lack an explanation for what's going on....if that makes any sense.

I did feel like there was a lot of emotion in the movie, and I teared up a few times...it was still solid.

My favorite aspect of the movie though, IMO, was definately the musical score. It was simply amazing. One of the greatest scores I have heard, and I am a real music-score buff/nut...



Yeah I agree. I mean I understand that it would feel 'different' than the series, so that's not really my problem....but they rushed it and lacked to explain pretty much anything. Somethings we can deduct for ourselves, like when [spoiler]Al transmutates apart of his soul into the armors[/spoiler]; other things you simply cannot deduct.

I think another reason it may feel so radically different than the series is simply the fact that it is a feature film. Films don't leave much space for character developement and you can't have too much exposition because then it would get 'boring' (not by me, but by many casual movie goers); I myself actually prefer Television as a medium for telling stories because it is more like a novel and it leaves so much more room for plot developement and character developement; the FMA movie simply didn't have that luxury like the series did.

The little black baby-looking things inside the gate took over the armors and is controlling them


Because she went through the gate and she can now use alchemy since she is in Ed's world


You only have to do the automail surgery when first getting an automail. The purpose of surgery is only to attach this thingy.
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(if you are a fan, you should at least know this) And if you watch the episode 16, you can see that attaching automail can take less then a second. All it needs is just one twist with a driver and then attacing the cover to the automail. This would take about 20 min.


For the armor one, blame it on BONES. When the man went into the gate, he was holding the uranium bomb. The man died, but the bomb crossed the gate to 'our' world.

As for Gluttony's mutation, here's my best explanation (TV spoilers, duh)


Remember at the end of the eps, Dante removed Gluttony's mind and left nothing but the sin he represents, i.e. pure gluttony? Well we all know he lived on in that state. With his already limited mind no longer there to provide limitations, the body used the incredible regenerative powers of all the PS inside him and formed a creature that best represents his sin...



Hmm I wonder, who will win in a fight? Mega-Gluttony (movie) vs. True Envy (manga) vs. Dragon Envy (movie)...

I just watched the movie, and I liked it, but it really wasn't what I was expecting. The only thing that really irked me was Ed's willingness to just leave Al behind at the end, after being separated for so long. I kinda wanted a more emotional reunion for them...ah, well. They were together in the end, so I guess that's what matters.

It was probably because Ed felt guilty that he opened the gate to the two worlds and cause alot of chaos. I think he felt that even though he wanted to stay he needed to destroy the gate on the other side. o.o

Actually...

[spoiler]Gluttony's mutation is due to the mix of the philosopher's stone and Dante's rotting body. It has been stated in the Scenario Book(And so, yes, Dante is dead...)[/spoiler]


Dragon!Envy would so pwn them all! XD

*SIGH* i just finnished watching the movie.
LOVED IT!

hehe ok, i might be overstating just a bit. but ah, the movie was soo bittersweet.
Gives off a nostalgic feeling. Ed&AL, Huges, Roy, Mustang, ENVY....Winry. etc. etc. etc.
the original characters and the alternate characters. it's just sooo good to see them all.
the action is still there, short-jokes about Ed never fails to crack me up--humor, wit, compassion, hate, anger,
ah.. the whole shabang is there.
I"m happy that FMA is 'wrapped' up. AT LEAST the movie continued from where the anime left off,
though i must admit, I'd love to see a "happily-ever-after" ending more.

I knew before watching that Edwin's scenes were sparse, so i wasn't putting too much expecation on it.
so when i DID see their lil part together, ahhhh..........i've never felt more touched.
Winry's eyes were glistening even when she hugged Ed and at the same time admonished him
on being away. and Ed? the foollish cutie-pie blushed! hahaha. it was such a touching and sweet
moment. not so cheesy and mushy---just perfect for characters as Ed and Winry.
I was pleased (albeit the reunion was short lived lol). wat makes me even more happy was that
while Ed slept, he calls out Winry's and Al's name. WINRY. the two most important people to him.

Again, the movie was great IMO. ..................................................
.....I"m only sad that Winry didn't get to be included
in the reunion. it's even more sad that she seems to accept that-- the girl's lost too many people
whom she loves already, couldn't they have given a 'happier' ending?!

FINNISHED.DONE.THE END.--man, if that doesn't make u wanna weep, i don't know wat then.
(haha maybe who knows, they might get carried away and make a second FAM movie
Just look at Innuyasha... it's on its 4th movie already lol)

Ed and Al aren't dead though. I think Winry is happy to know that they are back together and still alive somewhere and that they won't stop fighting.

Ok...I finally saw the movie..with subs. The first time I saw it..I liked it..but had to think it over. After watching it the second time i LOVED it!

[spoiler] I was sad by how it ended too. BUT...after thinking about it, I understood why it ended that way. I'm sure it's already been brought up, but I saw it as the only way they could both be together, and Al having his body is that they had to give-up Alchemy and the life they knew as their equivilant Exchange. Sucks...but...it also makes sense. I'm just happy they're together. Though I feel sad for Winry...T_T[/spoiler]

Hi, I'm new here, hello everyone!
Below is my ranting after a period of interpretation of the movie and, of course, days of frustration and sadness over Ed...
I have no mean to be offensive or ignorant of facts that I may have missed. Correct me if necessary.

Well, during that interview with the director (and the voicecast of Ed), they've already stated the main point of the movie:
"What is the real world to me?" Reason? Because lots of kids and teens nowadays feel that way sometimes (I know I do), not feeling like you belong in this world, maybe you'll fit in much better in some alternate universe, and so you alienate yourself from everything else by occupying yourself with work (homeworks, tests, universities, job application)<- These mundane things that we drown ourselves in everyday much resembles Ed with the rocketry and such.
Sadly to say, I don't remember them mentioning Winry at all during the interview, just Ed, Al, and I think a little of Roy and how there will be Alter-characters. I guess that shows how important Winry is to the eyes of the producers. Sorry Edwin fans... I am one myself, but I am trying to get over it.
If it is any consolation, with the Elric brothers still wandering around in their new home, maybe they will return someday. Otherwise, history can be pretty messed up. They can stay in our world, but I just don't hink Munich 1923 is a safe place for them... (Say, when did Hitler start deporting people to concentration camps?) Somehow, I get the feeling that Alter-Hughes will rat them out or something to have them killed, or send military after them. Noah, after all, isn't German or a Christian, and, believe me, at this time period in Munich, you can find hundreds more where that woman comes from<- Makes me mad that she doesn't deem the people of Hagaren world as humans... just like Hitler
Personally, I don't think Winry gave up on waiting for the Elric brothers to return... I mean, if Ed isn't coming back for sure, what is the point to continue her auto-mail research? I believe she's pursuing the study partly to anticipate Ed's return... the guy really knows how to break stuff. I've quite surprised that his head is tougher than his mechanic limbs after all that wrench hitting.

BTW, isn't the ending song of the movie called "Lost Heaven"? The title reminds me of Milton's "Paradise Lost", where you basically lose all the luxury and the greatness while regaining another sort of paradise, finding Heaven within yourself. Kind of nice... in a hemi-morbid way Ed lost the paradise he knows, but he never really lost it because he's got the one link to paradise with him now

the movie was really good. However, I saw No EdxNoa pairing.

But I saw an HiederichxNoa instead.

It's been a long time since i've been on these forums but I decided to come back

I just saw the film and I ADORE IT TO SHREADS!!!! I'd like to see it again but this time i want to see a version where the subs don't cock up most of the way through the thing. That spoilt my enjoyment of COS completly. But after looking past that lil hitch I really enjoyed the film.

[spoiler] OMG I CAN'T FEEL ANYMORE SORRY FOR WINRY THAN WHAT I DO NOW!!!! She finally gets re-united with the man she loves only to have him leave her again. ED YOU HEARTLESS GIT!!!!! If they make a sequel he needs to go back and stay there for good. Oh and Al does too... lol.

I thought it was a good way that Al's armour was incorperated into the story. I love tht armour.hehehe

There was a severe lack of Mustang/Hawkeye momenst. All we got was them exchanging a couple of "OMG YOUR BACK" and "don't u die" galnces. I mean... c'mon. I was expecting more between those too and Mustang needs a better eye patch. Maybe he should borrow the Furhers old one.

Conquerer Of Shambala deserves a sequel no doubt and this time not one set in our world.[/spoiler]

Atleast we finally got to see Izumi's big bare breast.

Well I finally got hold of an actual copy of the DVD.

Anyway, my final opinion is that this movie is a disappointment at best.

The art was fairly good for the most part (although the CG-armours and vehicles looked real cheap, BONES, if you want to see an example of how to blend CG and hand-drawn animation, refer to the latter episodes of Macross Zero and learn how it's really done).

Music wasn't too spectacular, recognized a lot of themes from the series which was nice. I wasn't too thrilled about the opening song, the ending one was better though.

Voice acting was pretty impressive, nothing surprising about that though and that met my expectations.

The movie was filled with tones of drama and intense emotional moments, good stuff. Unfortunately though, BONES decided to sacrifice any kind of sensical plot to give us all that drama and intense emotional moments.

I've put COS on my list of "Movies That Are Great If You Don't Think About Them At All". Because quite frankly, if you sit back and take 5 minutes to think about it, you will realize that the plot is filled with holes so big, you can drive a bus through them. Along with nonsensical plot elements, the complete lack of resolution or closure for all but the 2 main characters, the overshadowing of the secondary characters that we have all come to know and love by new characters thrown in for the movie, etc etc.

I mean, I couldn't stand the last half of the series once BONES had to come up with their own material, and COS only affirms my belief that BONES doesn't know how to write good stories. It's really sad how they ran one of the potentially-best anime franchises into the ground.

I guess it would have been good, but I can never enjoy something that barely includes the background characters. It annoyed me that the movie didn't try to acknowledge the Amestris kids. Whatever happend to our sexy men and woman in military uniforms? D':

There's been a lot of disappointment about Roy's lack of appearance and his crappy ending, and I'd have to agree. I can speculate about how he decided to go emo and become a police officer (OMFG), but the series left a lot of unanswered questions about whether or not he gets promoted again. It would really suck if he didn't after going, "O WUTEVA IM GONNA USE ALCHEMI AGEN K GUYZ" and defeating all those armor thingies. But whatever.

Did anyone else start lawling at the Nazi Germany references? I loved how Alter!Hughes was all HONGNAZINAZIWTF. And Anime!Hitler was hilarious.

But maybe that's because I'm a nerd. :B

Hello everyone,

First post here, so bare with me. I came here to see what other people thought of the movie and possibly shared my thoughts or could give some answers to questions. I'm thankfully not alone with some of my gripes.

After the movie ended the first thing that went through my mind was "That's how it's going to end? Are you kidding me?" After thinking about it longer I've got a few things I've been pondering:

[spoiler]
1) As was already mentioned, why did they have to go back to destroy the gate? The gate only functions fully when there is an alchemist on the Earth side and alchemy isn't supposed to work there anyway (see pt.2) so I'm fairly confident they would have been perfectly safe just destroying the gate on the FMA/Hagaren side. The most they could do was send through something briefly and they needed to use Dragon Envy to do it. If the transmutation works the same way on both sides when opening the gate then Envy and Hohenheim should have dissapeared since Wrath and Gluttony disspapeared on the FMA side. This would prevent them from opening the gate a second time, at least without any sort of very skilled alchemist which they don't have.

2) Alchemy either does or doesn't work on Earth, I wish they made that clear. If it does work as evidenced by Eckheart (sp? the main bad lady) and her Thule group then it should only be a matter of time before Ed and Al figure out a way to get Alchemy working again on the Earth side of things. Given a lifetime and knowledge of how the gate works (since they used it a few times already) I'm sure Ed and Al would make it back sooner or later. Probably sooner. If alchemy doesn't work then that throws a whole lot of holes into the plot as to how the gate was opened at all in the first place from Earth to the FMA world.

3) Let's assume that we take everything in the movie (inconsistencies and all) to have just worked, so we ignore the plotholes. What was preventing Al from simply attaching a part of his soul to a bunch of the armors (like he did a few times already) and just sending those back in order to destroy the gate on the other side? Or simpler yet, just send a bomb back through the gate. Sending the controlled armors back is the best surefire way of making sure it's gone though and we know it's possible since Al did that already.[/spoiler]

That's all I can remember at the moment. I don't want to repeat too much of what has been said already, so I'll just mention that I agree with the fact that this movie suffered from all kinds of inconsistencies, plotholes, and quality issues as far as leaving so many loose ends and such. Overall this movie left a bad taste in my mouth, but I would have accepted it and have been happy regardless if the ending was more well thought out. It didn't have to be necessarrily "happy" even though I would have preferred that, but at least it could have made sense. If it has to be a sad ending it could at least have been sad for a reason that couldn't have been prevented with even a little common sense.

Anyway, hope I've made a decent first impression. Some nice forums you've got here.

Regards,
Jay
(despite my username, Roy is just my favorite char )

I thought the movie was quite good=)
Except for the fact...Winry being the saddest character...
her parents died at first...ed left her once and leaves her again with Al after 3 sentences of conversatoin
and since the movie didnt show her aunt...she's prly dead...so...how does she live on...?
Poor Winry..

Yea.. and it wouldve been better if they focused more on the alchimest world...

Really hope they make a second movie tho

I thought the movie was one of those "the first time is the best" kinda ones.

I like, cried, the first time I saw it (lol, along with like ep. 50, 51, etc.), but that was it.

Haha, I'd love for them to make another movie, but Ed and Al would have to find a way back...At least there's an OVA coming in March...

[spoiler] Well, here's my review as my very first post. I wasn't very happy with the movie unfortunately. I did like some parts.
The parts I liked:
Ed
Al
Ed and Al together.

The parts I was disappointed in:
-The whole movie didn't feel like FMA. The style was different, the color was different, Ed looked totally different.
-I NEVER liked the whole "real world" theme. I wish they could have kept that out.
-Ed didn't seem like Ed. I know he was more grown up but he still seemed like a totally different person. I missed the attitude of "who are you calling so small you want to squish like an ant?!" or from the beginning of the movie "we should probably leave" "why?" "I don't like this place so I rigged it to blow up" "What?! Why do you always do things like that?!"
-The creation of a completely new bad guy for the purposes of the movie. We don't know who she is, we don't know what her background is and we don't care because she's only there to be bad and die.
-The inconsistencies in the movie, some of which were Al: "You're still pretty good with alchemy considering you haven't used it in so long." How'd he know Ed hadn't been using Alchemy? Ed: "I wanna go home, I wanna go home, I hate it here, Oh look I'm home, I wanna go back..." Also, Ed and Al hadn't seen each other in two years and Ed hadn't seen Al in his body in over five years and when they meet face to face they don't even hug or slap each other on the back or anything?
-The movie felt WAY to rushed. It felt like everyone was making cameo appearances. I don't think anyone (with the exception of Ed) was on the screen for more than half a minute at a time, or at least it felt that way. Even with Ed it felt really rushed. There needed to be some more background setup stuff. I especially didn't like the whole Oh-look-Ed's-home-we-thought-he-was-dead-that's-nice-thing. Al was all excited to see him in armour form but then when he gets him face to face he just runs off. Winry reacted okay but everyone else behaved like it was just another day in the life.
-Last and probably my biggest pet peeve was they didn't finish the movie! They never closed the stupid gate, Mustang had to go find someone and Ed said he and Al would have to figure out some way to close it without using Alchemy. I don't think Mustang will find anyone as Ed said the reason Al had to stay behind was he was the only one who could close the gate (aside from Ed and he had to go close the other side). So they just leave the gate open and go off to find the bomb?? Also, they never explained Ed's apparent ability to use alchemy in conjunction with his own blood. All he has to do is bleed on himself to make it work?

Things I would like to see:
-a sequel where Ed and Al go home forever. Also tying up loose ends like Winry's comment of you didn't wait again.
-Ed acting like ED! I missed his antics during the movie.
-did I mention a sequel? The director said that since the manga was still going there was the possibility of a sequel, just that he wouldn't be involved with it.

Anyway, that's what I think for now. [/spoiler]

Also, if you go here
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=ANSB-2005 it lists the premium collection (though obviously not for sale yet because it's not released). Anyway, it says it's only 40 minutes long which isn't long enough to do anything with, I think, if you're doing four OVA's and two of them are basically just for fun. That means the other two OVA's are only about ten minutes long each. What is cool is there's also supposed to be deleted scenes from the movie. You know, that doesn't make sense that it'd only be 40 minutes long total, that's not enough time for all that. Here are the titles for the OVA's that are being released. Can anyone translate them?

Jissha Hen (strange live action?? I guess this is the cosplay one they were talking about)
Enkai Hen (strange beast?)
Kodomo Hen (strange child?)
Kokka Renkinjutsushi vs. Nana Dai Homunkurusu (Alchemists vs. the seven Homunculus)

I've only seen some of it (cause I skipped a lot because it lost my interest), and it wasn't subbed, so I was like "Wtf?" the whole time...

But other than that, I didn't really like it. =/ I would have liked it better if more people saw Ed come back, and if they were more surprised! I mean, take Schiezka for example. To me, it looked like she almost expected Ed to show up right then. ;-; -edit- I just watched it over again...so did Winry kind of expect it? -still confused-

Also, it kind of annoyed me how Al kind of took Ed's clothes, and clapping, and hair, etc, etc. But, that's just me. XP

Oh, and at the end, did Al still have his ponytail? o_0 Because if he did, I didn't see it...

Okay so here's my rant.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this before, but if someone has, sorry.

[spoiler]Okay so in the movie, one of the major plot devices is that Al can transmute part of his soul into suits of armour. Now I have a HUGE problem with this. Here's why.

Now I'm not disputing the possibility of transmuting one's soul. We know it can be done, in the series and in the manga obviously as Ed transmute Al's soul into his signature armour and bounds his soul to it. Cool. But at the same time, we all know that transmuting someone's soul counts as HUMAN TRANSMUTATION. When Ed did it, he was sent to the Gate a 2nd time, where he lost his arm. That was the cost of the transmutation.

Herein lies the problem. Throughout the movie, we see Al transmuting parts of his soul onto multiple suits of armour at will with absolutely no repercussions. One can argue that, well Al is only transmuting PARTS of his soul, so it isn't the same as transmuting an entire soul. Unfortunately that doesn't work. Whether you're transmuting parts of a body, a whole body, parts of a soul or a whole soul... they're all human transmutation. If you can transmute a PART of a soul/body without repercussion then why doesn't Ed just transmute a new arm and leg? It's not a whole body, it's just 2 limbs.

Bottomline, is that it can't be done without great cost. Al can magically do it in the movie without any kind of equivlent exchange. Yet that is clearly impossible unless he has the Philosopher's Stone, which he doesn't. Not to mention, human transmutation is taboo and illegal in Amestris, and he does it right in front of Armstrong, a military officer!

It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't a major plot device. I mean, Al transmuting a tornado is completely silly and nonsensical but we can ignore that as just something Bones did to try to look cool. But this one though, can't be brushed aside, it's one of the primary plot devices for the entire movie. Way to go Bones.
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I agree. What makes it even worse is that [spoiler] since Al is so gifted why didn't he attach part of his soul to a suit of armour, send it through the gate to seal that side of it, and then he and Ed could have sealed the other side and stayed home? [/spoiler]

You're right... and...

[Spoiler]Why didn't Ed just ask Al to do that too? He knew by that point that Al can transmute part of his soul to suits of armour, and since Ed is supposedly a genius too with Al, why didn't he come up with that idea?

Granted, the self-sacrifice makes for a more dramatic ending, but it's completely un-necessary or did Winry scare Ed that much?

And to fan the flames some more... did you notice how completely OOC Roy was in the movie? He's bitter and depressed for some odd reason that's never explained, even though at the end of the series we see him recovering with Riza by his side taking care of him and them growing closer. That's magically gone now 2 years later, no explanation though. Riza doesn't want to see him, and as Breda and Havoc put it... she's not the one he's waiting for anyway. He's waiting for Ed, because Ed is gone Roy has lost the will to live... WTF?!?!?!?!

Roy was only bitter and depressed at one other point in his life, and that was right after the Ishbalan War and all the atrocities he had to witness and take part in. So he killed a homoculus furhrer and Ed disappears... and he's sent down a spiral of depression. That makes so little sense it's not even funny.
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Exactly, I thought the same thing. Also, since they even bothered to mention what Al can do I thought they'd end the movie that way. That's how it SHOULD have ended. I just don't get it.

[spoiler]I'd give it a 3/10. No good fighting scenes (Cept MAYBE Gluttony versus Wrath, but that was no master piece), sucky plot, major plot holes, (like the ones listed above), horrible ending, loose ends to the ending (Wtf happened to Winry? Sheesh.), Nazi Hughes, bitter and annyoing Roy, and, most of all, Izumi dying


Honestly, the only pluses to the movie is that Al is cute and the Izumi-Wrath scene[/spoiler]

Al being cute is one of the few and biggest redeeming qualities. Ed was cute to but he didn't look or act like himself. I actually wish there was some way to do another series featuring human Al. Oh well. I've been thinking about it and the whole movie kind of felt like an extended trailer. There were clips but they went by so fast that no one person or one thing really stayed on screen. It was like oh look this happened to Ed, now he's fine, now he's over here, hi Al!, oops we're back to Ed, and now we're somewhere else...

i liked the movie, but yah like a lot of people have said it was really confusing, and i really wanted to see Ed and Winry get together. The best thing in the movie was how kawaii Al was.......(god how do i manage to fit that into every post) and i didnt understand why Roy was all moody and depressed like that.... *shrugs* but i think the best sence was with Warth and Izumi.... that was so heart warming.. so basically the movie had its good points and bad...

Well, it was especially confusing since there were no subtitles to the movie (the version I saw, anyway)but I thought it was pretty good...Al was lookin' good, and Ed...Er, well, he's the confusing one now...XD

But yeah...Since I haven't kept up with the end of the series, I'm pretty darn confused about it anyway...I mean, it was GOOD but if I understood a word besides 'Nii-san', I'd understand more of the story plot...

And since I see a few disappointed faces and the facts of it, a 6/10 would be for the movie...But it earns extra points for Al, so it's a 8/10.

Maybe because he was blind in one eye? I'd be moody too....


But Roy shouldn't be! That's too out of character of him.

I was about to give it an ok, due to the storyline being junk but I gave it a good.
Why? Because the animation was quite nice. Other than the graphic armor dudes of course. They sucked.
I liked seeing a lot of the characters again. The alters in the real world were enjoyable. The fight scenes were pretty cool. Other than that it was really dissapointing. I was utterly confused throughout the whole thing. Hmmm...maybe I should have given it an ok. Oh well, seeing the alter people made me happy!

Well... problem with that is, at the end of 51 we're shown a montage of the characters at the end, and we see Riza is taking care of Roy who actually seemed to be recovering pretty well. Basically, in the two years he goes from that to suddenly being super-depressed and all emo with absolutely no explanation.

And the thing is, the last time Roy was that emo/depressed was after the Ishbal War and he almost committed suicide because of the things he saw/did but Hughes helped him recover from that. That and when Hughes was killed, those were his only moments of weakness, but they were a huge blow to him. I can't see him losing any eye being on the same level, that's why it feels out of character. Roy's always been portrayed as a very strong character, both emotionally and physicall. That sudden, unexplained change really goes against that.

Okay, I've given this explanation before and I think it makes sense.

First, picture the Fuhrer up until the point where we found out he was Pride. Would you have thought he was a bad guy if you hadn't known that he was Pride? You'd probably have thought he was nice. Riza, and I believe Ed as well, both told Roy that he was giving up any chance of ever becoming Fuhrer if he went after Bradley, to which Roy responded that he was willing to give it up to get revenge for Hughes. Why would Roy be giving up any chance? Because Pride portrayed himself as a REALLY nice loving family guy, who took the day off early to go home for his son's birthday. So here's an idea of how Roy's hearing (which would be held as a natural result of him having killed someone) probably went.

Council: So why did you lead an armed revolt on Central?
Roy: The Fuhrer was a Homunculus.
Council: Okay, where's your proof? Do you have his body?
Roy: Uh, no, I burned it and the skull that was with it.
Council: Okay, how did you find out he was a Homunculus?
Roy: I was told by Alphonse Elric who witnessed it firsthand.
Council: Okay, bring him in here to testify to that then.
Roy: I can't, he kind of lost his memory.
Council: What about Edward Elric, the brother? Can't he testify to what his brother said he saw?
Roy: Yes, but unfortunately he's missing. My subordinates all heard them say it though.
Council: So based upon the word of you and your friends you want us to believe that Bradley was an evil Homunculus?
Roy: Yes.
Council: It's no secret that you wanted to be Fuhrer.
Roy: That has nothing to do with this.


And so forth and so forth. It's a wonder they didn't EXECUTE him. They demoted him down to pratically nothing and sent him the the Ametris version of Siberia. He's got NO prospects for the future since no one will ever trust him completely again AND Riza took off. I'd be depressed to!

Not bad, however why would Riza take off? That makes no sense, if she just left him all of a sudden because he was demoted and transferred to an outpost in the middle-of-no-where, that would be even more blatantly OOC for her then anything else. We've been shown repeatedly that she's willing to follow him regardless of where he goes.

Again, after the series, that was nothing to remotely suggest that Riza and Roy's relationship had taken a turn for the worst, if anything, the last few sequences implied that they were in fact, growing closer. I don't buy it that she would just up and leave him, unless if there was something catastrophic that occured between them, and if that was the case why no explanation? And even then, they seemed to get along pretty well when they met up in the movie again, hell the movie even suggested that Roy was depressed because Ed had disappeared and went so far as to imply that Roy was waiting for Ed, not for Riza (again, massively OOC from the Roy we knew in the series).

While it is somewhat understandable that he would be depressed by the demotion and his new assignment, remember he wanted to be Fuhrer NOT for the power, but so he can stop the military from committing anymore injustices like the Ishbal War. Roy also knew that the War was a result of Bradley's actions, and he took him out, so in a sense he did accomplish part of what he wanted to do. And again, Roy is a strong person who doesn't give up easily, and I honestly can't see him give up like that.

It's not impossible for Roy to be in the situation he was in at the start of the movie I'll admit, it's just very hard to believe it, especially when there's no explanation. If Bones filled in some gaps of that 2 year void, it would've helped although they would've had to have a really good reason for it to be plausible.

Yeah, I don't pretend to be able to explain everything, just the basic reason of why Roy would be out there. I don't get why Riza would leave him. In the Manga at one point she thinks he's dead and promptly goes hysterical and then kneels down to let Lust kill her because she doesn't want to live anymore without him (Roy chews her out later for that). Doesn't sound like someone who'd just ditch him in his darkest moment. A better explanation would have been she was transferred somewhere other than where he was.

I REALLY didn't get the whole waiting for Ed thing OR how Roy knew Ed was back and was able to go there and be all happy again. None of that made the slightest lick of sense.

The movie needs an OVA prequel (anything longer would be boring seeing as how nothing actually happens in that time period) and a movie lenght sequel where Ed and Al go home. I still don't get the whole chasing after the bomb thing. If it's the nuclear bomb then Ed already knows they're going to fail, he saw the bomb go off in the gate in episode 50, so why is he bothering? It seemed like a rather ridiculous plot point to get them to stay in the other world. Just as ridiculous as forgetting that Al could just send part of his soul through to close the gate and deciding he had to go himself.