I need someone to talk to about this. Badly.


IZUMI!!!!!! ;_;

Wrath. I swear, I want to kill Gluttony with my bare hands.


The Lust/Scar thing DOES make me happy. -is a fan-

Yep, I've already posted abit on the movie! God damn it!! Worst ending yet realised! Although not as bad as everyone dying and never getting together with anyone, it still sucked a$$!! BONES better makea sequel or another movie now - they brought it on themselves > <

I know. I want the brothers to get back to their world, but its impossible if theyve destroyed the gate. -sigh-

If they destroyed the gate, wouldn't alchemists from the Hagaren world not be able to use alchemy anymore since using alchemy requires energy drawn from our world.

hey, that's TRUE! then this, on top of all the plot holes left in the movie, hopefully means that BONES will make another movie/ova at least SOMETHING that will resolve all the issues presented in the current movie.

How tall is Ed supposedly in the movie?

Edward is 140cm (4'6) in the Anime... So he is about how old in the movie...

Just calculate XD

Such a sad sad ending though... T_T

It made me cry like 20 times reading the dam' spoilers XD

Why don't you save yourself the pain and just not see the movie when you know now it automatically sucks.

Just because its not the ending you wanted doesn't mean it sucks ass.

IF they make a sequel, which I kind of hope doesn't happen, there'll have to be other reasoning.

I shall defend that post since I was the one who made it. I'm sorry if I sounded very immature, ranting and raving over it. Having become calmer now, I will not post in that manner. However purely for the reason that the ending was below my expectations and was unsatisfactory in my opinion that I said it sucked a$$. You may think otherwise as it is your opinion to express and I would have no right to judge that opinion as being ridiculous or forfeit of reason as you seem to suggest mine was, whether or not you have seen the film.

Although the ending may pain me, that itself will have no bearing on my initial desire to see the film. I may yet judge the movie more positively having seen the film.

I dont think it is true but my friend said that he rea din some mag that the producers of FMA will make a sequel to the movie on how the Brothers go back to the FMA world... I dont think its true though I'll try get my friend to scan the article for me

Yes do that, it would be an intresting read. I'm sure we will find out soon enough if they are planning to doa sequel, but for now I jsut want to see the movie

Does anyone know what Al's State Alchemist name was in the movie? Was it "Immortal Alchemist?" I am dying to know what his name was.

I don't think he had one since he didn't join the military. Ed got one because he joined the military, took the exam, and then was titled. Same went for Roy, and Armstrong and the like. Notice how Izumi didn't have a title or Dante. That's kinda like how Al is.

How tall is Ed and Al?

That isn't entirely true. What they destroyed was A gate that the people created, not THE Gate. And because of that, Alchemy should still exist in the Hagaren world. What they were going to destroy was the gate that was created in order to have both worlds maintain their peace.

I had a question that I haven't seen addressed yet. Sorry, if I missed something or am forgetting something about the series/movie...anyway, why could Ed suddenly use Alchemy in the real world when he opened the gate and the soldiers came back through? I noticed he bled on his hand (from the cut on his face) so does that mean he can use alchemy in the real world if he just simply bleeds on himself?

That's one of the many gi-normous plot holes in the movie.

[spoiler]I don't think there's any good explanation for this other then lazy writing. They stated in the movie itself repeatedly that alchemy isn't possible in "our" world, yet it is when they needed it to be. I had a discussion with a friend over this, and he said it's possible because Envy was there. Which really doesn't mean anything. Envy is a Homoculi, who can't even perform alchemy himself so how can he make alchemy possible for someone else? I can see the point of the blood being the eqivalent exchange for transmuting the gates but they show that it activates the power of alchemy which makes absolutely no sense either.

I think though because Envy is a Homoculi and he has red stones inside him, it makes it possible? BUT red stones don't create power for alchemy, it simply amplifies the power of alchemy, and when you amplify nothing you still get nothing. And I thought it was rather uncharacteristic of Ed to just finish a transmutation circle he sees in the middle of nowhere. Does he not find it strange there is a large incompete transmutation drawn there? Wouldn't he investigate instead of picking up the chalk and finish drawing it?

I dunno.[/spoiler]

I thought it was probably a plot hole. Thanks!

And yeah I thought the same thing when I saw Ed doing that. [spoiler] Oh lookie, here's a piece of chalk and an unfinished transmutation circle in an old fortress where I have reason to believe bad guys are hanging out. Why don't I just go ahead and finish it for them so they can continue with their nefarious plot?[/spoiler]

Oh yeah, and another thing that bothers me WAY more than it should. If you work out all the dates and ages in the Anime you'll find that movie Ed should be 18 and movie Al should be 12. BUT they're 17 and 13 respectively which means movie Ed is a year YOUNGER than he should and movie Al is a year OLDER than he should be.

Funny, that was my only comment on the movie at one site.




*sob*

Where does it say theres only one gate?
Remeber Henohiem(sp?) said there was "a gate in everyone."
Maybe this means Ed and Al will burst out of Roy or maybe there is another way for ed and Al to return.
I thought the ending,while a bit of a cop out,was good.The brothers wanted to be together and they are now.
What I want to know is why Roy was demoted and why was he in the snowy place.

In the Anime they discussed the fact that Roy would never be Fuhrer (or even make it any higher in the ranks) if he killed the Bradley. This was because no one would accept a leader who'd killed the previous leader. Roy said he didn't care because avenging Hughes was more important. Also, Bradley's body was destroyed so Roy had no evidence to prove what he really was. Ed was gone so he couldn't say, and Al couldn't remember. None of Roy's friends would be believed because they're his friends obviously. So you have Roy attacking Central and killing the Fuhrer because he CLAIMS that the Fuhrer was a bad guy. Obviously he was at least partly believed because he wasn't arrested or executed. It makes sense though, that once everything calmed down and the new Parliament was established that one of the things they would do was punish Roy. Again, the fact that they merely demoted him and stuck him in the boondocks showed a major concession on their part in that they were willing to accept his word at least in part. Anyway, that's my reasoning on it.

I'll buy that although if I were Roy I'd have said Archer did it and thats why Hawkeye executed him.It's air tight.[/joke]



People said man couldn't walk on the moon but we have now.Who's to say the flow of alchemical power doesn't go both ways?Noah could use alchemy as far as I understood.maybe it just took more in this world for Ed to work his mojo.As for why he comleted the circle it's simple.
If you're lost and see a possible route home are you going to say "nah,I've been told by others it's imossible even though I never tried a trandmutaion circle myself" or are you going to say "worth a try isn't it?"

No, Noah never used alchemy. She was able to touch someone and see into their past apparently, it was never really explained how she could do it, but it wasn't alchemy. Basically they played off the stereotypical gypsy idea where gypsy's are supposedly able to tell your fortune and see into the future (stereotyped image of a gypsy woman with a crystal ball type thing). Here they altered it slightly by having Noah able to see into the past and she did it by touching and not a crystal ball.

Ed could have drawn any number of transmutation circles by himself for the two years he was there, he didn't need the one in the castle. He went to the castle because he suspected bad guys were there so I was surprised that he'd just happily complete the circle when he could (if he'd really wanted) have just memorized it, gone home and repeated it elsewhere in a safer place that wasn't likely to be swarming with bad guys.

Also, if Ed was so intent on getting home why didn't he pursue the "blood on hand" thing to work alchemy? In the movie, he's surprised when the circle works (after touching it with a bloody hand) but then he never apparently reflects on it again. It's like "oh, after two years of trying, I was able to work alchemy by bleeding on my hand and touching a transmutation circle, that's nice. Well, on to my next project."

I've always taken that as a bad attempt at a deep metaphor, and it turned out to be nonsensical.

Again, the problem I have with the whole alchemy magically working in our world thing is that they REPEATEDLY stated in both the movie and the end of the series that alchemy simply isn't possible. Over and over again, they say it like multiple times in the film as well. And then BAM, it just suddenly works. Worst yet, there's no explanation, it just worked and we're left to wonder why. The only hints we're given is that Envy was there, and as I've explained before, his presence doesn't explain anything.

Man landing on the moon isn't the same thing. You're comparing technology, people said it couldn't be done because of the sheer enormity of the task, the technology and the money and resources involved, that no one had up until 40 years ago. It was impossible in the sense that it was too difficult to accomplish, but it wasn't impossible because it would violate an established law of the universe.

Henohaims metaphor was kind of silly.I just liked the idea of Ed bursting out of people(I think Alien might have effcted me a bit).
Maybe the Alchemy will be explained in a future sequal.If Hamaturo(sp?) can have so many films why can't FMA.

Yea but let's not compare Hamturo to FMA

I'm not discounting the possibility that it could be explained in the future, I just wished they did it in the movie, seeing as how it was such an important element for the film and all.

That "we all have a little gate" metaphor was really lame.

Yeah, I wish they'd explained it instead of "Oh, look, it works for the purposes of advancing the plot because we couldn't think of any other way to do it! And now it doesn't work again." I noticed when rewatching the end of the Anime that they set up several things that were then explained or furthered in the movie. It seems to me that they did the same thing in the movie which would suggest they were at least entertaining the idea of a sequel.

One of the OVA's on the Premium Collection next month is supposed to be a Chibi style party where all the characters from Conqueror of Shambala get together for an after movie party. What'd I'd like to see is:

ChibiAl: Wow, that was a really good movie.
ChibiEd: It sure was.
ChibiAl: So when are we going to get started on the sequel?
ChibiEd: Any day now chibiAl.
ChibiAl: You know, even as chibis, I'm STILL taller than you.
ChibiEd: I hate you.

the movie was pretty nice in my opinion. even though the ending made me cry my eyes out and rip my heart into pieces, i suppose the angst is entrancing... somehow. although, i woulda still preferred a happyful ending. but! the thing that i find realllly sad, is what happened to izumi! ;_; wahh they just killed her off like that, for no good reason. although without her, it'd make ed and al have most difficulty on their side of the gate, but ..... *bursts into tears* T__T

I always took the "Gate in everyone" to mean death (which, you know, I'm probably stating the obvious by saying that).

What I never understood:(in weird quote box because I don't know how to do the spoiler code)

*flails* its crazy, thats what it is.

They used the same gate.

[spoiler]When Winry was talking about how Ed won't let her wait for him anymore, you see briefly that the ship is steered downwards, heading back to the hole into the underground city where the gate was.[/spoiler]

Did Winry really say that Ed wouldn't let her wait for him anymore? The one I saw said, "Ed, you didn't wait for me again." That means something totally different, that she would have gone with him both times but he didn't wait for her to come. That's why I didn't see it as her giving up in any sense. Also, right before Ed heads back through the gate he tells Al to "take care of Winry." So there was stuff being set up and then NOTHING. It gets me steamed just thinking about it!

I went back and was watching part of the movie and I noticed that Ed is definitely STILL REALLY short! That makes me happy, Ed wouldn't be Ed if he were tall.

Yap, if by literal translation of what Winry said in Japanese dialogue.

[spoiler] Uh not sure if i should put this in this format but, I think that ed redrawing the circle was kindah symbolic in a way. Omost like proving to himself that the other events that had happend in his life really did exist just trying to prove to himself. I think Envy plays a big role of why the gate was able to be opened. Al says "I see the homonculi have become catalists over their as well, To transmute those coming from within the gate " The gate when Ed went though was transmuted from Al's side of the world. When Ed redraws the circle and transmutes it somehow envy remarks "Your still just a stupid little child" After the armor falls through the portal like thing ed says "Whats going on I didnt even do anything" I dont think Ed transmuted the circle more of that the gate took them back sorta im not sure but If you recall the gate glowed like that on the side of the world when Al preformed alchemy to fix the circle. [/spoiler]

To tell the truth was it really needed for Ed to go back to destroy the gate? Destroying one of the gates would probably suffice. And the military there would probably destroy it or something. And then there's that point about destroying the gates = destroying alchemy. I don't know, random thoughts.

Other than that, fab movie, though it made me so sad at the end for quite some days. -grins sheepishly-

**spoilers**
The movie was really quite sad, and not to mention... UNEXPECTED!

sad things
1. Izumi died
2. Wrath died... it was unexpected since he was supposed to be a homunculi and therefore a "bad" guy mainly.
3.Alfons died

Unexpected things
1. Ed actuaclly left the alchemic world
2. There weren't something about the pairs of EdxWinry or MustangxHawkeye
3. Winry carries Ed's automail around in a case O.o must be heavy
4. Ed still has his automail
5. Al looks like the young Ed 0.0 i mean his costume
6. THEY CAN'T USE ALCHEMY?!?! what's the point of fullmetal ALCHEMIST then

the happy things ... well ... are that ed and al are finally together... and that.. ed is finally somewhat taller lol

I think it would be cool if when Ed and Al find the atom bomb, the military is fooling around with it. Trying to see how it works, how to duplicate it. It, then, goes off. And because it was made in Amestris, it creates a rip in space linking both of the worlds. Only briefly, of course. I can think of everything that would take place. It would be a sequel to Conquer of Shambala. When the film is almost over, it shows what happens to everyone(and I mean everyone). How they were affected by it all. Then, during the credits, there would be a bunch of silly scenes involving everyone. Sort of like the endings to the Inuyasha movies. That would be priceless. What does everyone think?

The film tends to get a lot of people who can't concieve of Edward and Al's predicament at the end of it. They don't just want all plot points tided up, they want it nice a clean as well. The real world isn't so clean-cut, people. I'm actually glad they opted for the ending they did. Nobody could have seen them staying. Nobody.

Did anyone else find it strange that Ed seemed quite blunted emotionally? I can understand him being a bit depressive and subdued because of his circumstances. But I just don't understand why he seems so indifferent to Al! All this time of seperation, his greatest goal has been to see his little brother again. to be together again. So why are his reactions to Al so lacking?

[spoiler] You can see a bit of the emotional response going on beneath the surface the first time they reunite temporarily in Berlin. After that, though, Ed doesn't really even seem to care that much if he sees Al again! Heidrich has to practically force him into the rocket and through the gate. Then, he's prepared to leave back to our world, forever, and doesn't say so much as goodbye to Al. So what happened to his motivation? Why isn't he thrilled to see his brother? He doesn't hug him, tell him he's glad to see him, anything. It just seems so strange when Al has always been his reason for living.[/spoiler]

Does anyone have any insight into why Ed is so unemotional about the whole thing? I'd love to hear other peoples' thoughts on this!

Well, the way I saw it was that his sole motivation remained to find Al, but so many things came up that he had to temporarily forget about his problems and focus on the big picture. Consider:

• One reason he might not have wanted to go back was because he realized that, if he did, it would create an opportunity for the Thules to get to his world.

• Those two have a connection that no one else can comprehend. Maybe when Ed left, Al knew before Ed even said anything that Ed HAD to leave, HAD to close the Gate, and he was crying because he realized that that was the way it had to be.

• I think all of this is backed up by what Ed says at the end— "We can't keep thinking we're all that matter." He wanted to see and stay with his brother more than anything, but he realized that there were bigger things than the two of them going on in both worlds and that it was partly his job to see it all to a close.

What we learned throughout the series is that Ed is a very sensible and [mostly] emotionally mature person, and he can recognize easily what's right and wrong and has to be done. I think midway (or before) through the movie, he begins to understand that if he doesn't get involved in anything to do with his world or the Gate, then the Thules can't harm his world.

I definitely agree with you on this point. What I still don't understand is, when everything is said and done and Al has followed him through to our side, Ed doesn't seem very happy or, really, affected much at all. I really was expecting him to at least shed a tear or two at some point.

I understand that Ed was willing to make the sacrifice of seperating himself from Al. He just seems to not care all that much, and I find that strange.

All I can add is that in the two years where Ed's been stranded, he's become emotionally...tame, I guess, is the word. Maybe he's just matured. I dunno. I just don't think he's that emotional of a person anymore.

the movie was a big let down for me, nothing was really resolved, ed and al are stuck forever in the wrong world, and we dont get to see what happens to any of the other characters

Maybe one of the reasons he was in a "snowy place", is because his punishment was to be exciled?

Hrm... it seemed to me that Roy volunteered for re-assignment to the North, so it was a self-imposed exile. And as for his demotion, it was never stated that he was punished. I had the impression that he voluntarily gave up his rank, which would be in keeping with his penitent state of mind. But that could be just in the fansub version I saw ... at least I think it was a fansub... ... beggin' yer pardon if 'tweren't!

@Kivrin - I agree. I saw the original in Japanese, and I got the same impression also, that Roy had given up the rank voluntarily, and went into self-imposed exile.

That's what I thought at first, but when Havoc and Breda visit him, they ask him why he "volunteered" for a place "in the sticks" like that, if I recall. Either way, I do definitely remember him saying "You can drop the General. I gave all that up," the implication being that the combination of grief and the loss of his eye (and possibly, a portion of his sanity) caused him to ask for the demotion and to be transferred somewhere far away.

When Havoc and Breda leave, Breda mentions that Riza should have come, and Havoc replies by saying that she wouldn't want to see Mustang like this, and "I get the feeling the Lieutenant isn't the one he's waiting for," the implication being this time that he's waiting for Ed to return.

I think everything combined points to the fact that it wasn't a punishment, but that Roy truly wanted to be sent to that far corner of nothingness for various reasons.

that seems too intreging.lol but Riza was upset about roy going in the balloon all by himself.

Yes, he tried to make amends by giving up his ambition and taking himself out of the picture. Definitely like that scenario better. If the military/government truly believed that Roy killed Bradley without just cause, he'd have been court martialed and then executed!

Mustang seemed somehow more attractive in that scene: tall, dark, handsome, brooding, vulnerable. Makes you want to comfort him. Nice roaring fire, a couple of glasses of wine .......
What were we talking about again?



Huh.... and here I was thinking I was immune to Roy Mustang's charms!