OKay, if Homunculus take the shape of the person the alchemist tried to revive, does that mean that Fuherer Bradley was killed, and somebody tried to revive him as the Fuherer, and if they did, did that mean that the original Fuehrer was murdered??

hmm.. i don't think he necessarily has to be a fuherer in his previous life

yeah, its seems like he is a homunculus which ages... so he became fuhrer later i guess...

Havoc said that ever since the current Furher arrived, they've always been at war.
so he was already a homunculus when he bacame the Fuhrer

Yepp he was Homunculus when he became Fuhrer... who tried to revive him or who he was will probably come soon... not for sure but not impossible

Dante created both Greed and Pride, Envy told us that in the latest episode(along witht he fact that Hoenheim created Envy).

Yes, so Pride is fantastically old, at least several centuries. He'll probably have to "retire" as Fuhrer fairly soon to avoid drawing suspicion of his "long-lasting youth."

Well... in episode 47, Dante says that she created Bradley to age at the same rate as humans...

Since Greed knows Pride, Bradley is the image of a 130+ year old human?

Doh! I meant episode 46

You have to remember that the Homunculi aren't really immortal. They get 'replaced' every once in a while. My theory is that in Pride's case, he was only created as a Homunculus about 15-20 years prior in an attempt to resurrect a dead soldier. He was 'fed' by Dante, and directed to get back into the army. He rose through the ranks very quickly thanks to his 'ultimate eye' and became the commander-in-chief.

As to how Greed knew of Pride, it could be one of two things:
a) The previous 'Pride' was also in the army and helped seal Greed up 130 years prior.
or
We saw in the new episode how even when immobilized by their jakuten, homunculi still had all their senses present, and could see/hear/feel/smell what was going on around them. So while he was sealed up in the 5th Lab, Greed probably got occasonal visits from Pride and Envy to check up on him, and also overheard some of their conversations, including when they talked about tailing the Elric brothers, etc.

The second explanation seems more likely at this point.

geez... the anime sure messed up the homonculous theory... i don't really care about them anymore.

the manga definitely has better explanations for Bradley and shocking truths behind the homonculi...

here's another question: ed and co. found wrath in the deserted island where Izumi performed the human transmutation years ago, right? he only got out of the gate when he acquired Ed's leg and arm... so, how did sloth get out of the gate and isn't she supposed to be in rizenpool if she did? how did she come to Dante's grasp?

lemme get this straight first, though... Dante used Roze's kid to see if she could open the gate from it... so that meant she didn't know how to open the gate before? how did she get a hold of sloth, whom she didn't create, if she didn't know how to open the gate around that time when sloth was supposedly created?

note: i haven't seen ep 46

Since Envy found Wrath so fast I believe that the homunculus can somehow sense one another.

So if thats true Sloth was created when Al and Ed tried to res their mother. So, Sloth formed there probably when Al took Ed to Winry's house. So Sloth could have been in their house the entire time and Envy could have retrieved her while Ed was unconcious.

Actually... Lust recovered Sloth after the failed transmutation...

Well, that would be the most likely. Lust said she was there (in episode 19-21; can't remember which one) when Ed and Al burned down their house. Therefore, she had probably been spying on them for a while.

here's another question: ed and co. found wrath in the deserted island where Izumi performed the human transmutation years ago, right? he only got out of the gate when he acquired Ed's leg and arm... so, how did sloth get out of the gate and isn't she supposed to be in rizenpool if she did? how did she come to Dante's grasp?

Sloth was never stuck on the other side of the gate. Wrath was only there because after Izumi found out what she had created, she went back to the gate and put it on the other side.

Not really. You just have to use your brain more to figure out what's going on in the anime.

God that's lame. She "made" him to do that? That is absolutely retarded for multiple reasons: How the hell do humans have control over wtf they want their Homunculi to be like? -____- A homunculus is an accident...

Ep. 44; 12:31

Hohenheim: "Homunculi do not naturally take the form of humans, or of anything when they are born. When presented with red stones as a source of nutrients, they gain a specific power and shape."

Mustang: "They use human lives as food?!"

Hohenheim: "Little by little, they are able to change their appearance, as if they are aging... and they could adopt children. But ultimately, they are homunculi."




...sometimes, you just have to suspend your disbelief and remember that it's anime...

Bradley's "specific power" is not aging but the Ultimate Eye.

Bacon, there are rules that an anime sets for itself, and the breaking of those rules creates plot holes.

Who says there can't be two powers?
Who says Dante didn't use some sort of special alchemy on Pride that allows him to 'age'?

You're really nitpicking.

Hohenheim says that homunkulus can alter their appearance slightly(ep44), he knows nothing of the specifics of Pride or Greed or other homunkulus that he did not make, he's making a guess or based on knowledge of the homunkulus that he created, in this case, Envy which is the only homunkulus that was actually shown to be a shapechanger, in which case his knowledge is biased on Envy's abilities.

However Dante (Pride's creator) said she made Pride to age at a human rate (ep46).

Therefore Dante being the creator of Pride is supposed to be the correct explanation for Pride.

If Pride has two powers, why can't everyone else have two powers?

If Pride has two powers, why can't everyone else have two powers?

Dante: Did Pride bring enough powers for the rest of the class? [/bad joke]

Pride: Yes. D: I brought Envy the power of Gender Disconfusion, Greed the power of the Gambling, Lust the power of Birth Control, Gluttony ate his new power on the way to class, Wrath was pissed off and didn't accept the power I tried to give him, and Sloth was too lazy to look at the power I brought for her. =,(

Okay.... So now I'm curious, what exactly DOES the Ultimate Eye do???? He can see through things??? That doesnt make any sense, it doesnt have anything to do with alchemy.

Good show.

yea it really was





dunno how to explain... he can see what everyone does.... :S or none can really hurt him.. cuz he can sorta anticipate what your gonna do... :S
i can't find a word to explain... it will probably come one soon

If I ever get the opportunity to put lines like that in the future parody episodes, I will. ;D

I think Envy has 2 powers, I mean, who else can knock someone else's head in a single blow???

Yeah apparently the ultimate eye helps pride to anticipate things, just like in cowboy bebop , the drug called " red eye ". He also seems to be very fast .
But actually it seems like envy hided a lot of his powers^^ he looks to have an incredible strengh , after all he was supposed to kill a whole army , barely hard to handle with only a shapeshifting power^^.
But i have many questions about envy. Dante said envy was supposed to be the " dear son " of hohenheim , but hohenheim said that trisha was the only woman he loved , so hohenheim when he created envy didn't trie to recreate a lost son like izumi did... So Who did he trie to recreate ?
Another point : envy said that he cant remember his former appearence , that means that it will be pretty hard to know who he was supposed to be , So i think that hohenheim when he created envy , tried to make a son from nothing , he just wanted to create a song or somethin...

Just because you love someone doesn't mean you were disillusioned 300 years prior and had a child by someone else. I'm thinking that the pre-homunculus Envy was the son by Hohenheim and Dante, who died in a freak accident and was resurrected, or he is the creation of Hohenheim purely, like was said above. I'm more thinking the former, though, because it goes better with the storyline.

well maybe but neither hohenheim nor dante mentionned a son they had. Dante just speaks about the words of love he told her , i think she would have said it but we never know^^. I maintain the hypothesis that envy was purely created.
Watching the end of the 46, i had another question , sloth tells to tucker that it is a magnifical human transmutation , actually nina doesnt really seem to be alive but it is still a human transmutation... so does it mean that tucker created the new greed with nina's body ?

Envy has three powers then:

- Shapeshifting
- xXxtreme fisting ability (note: his strength was never shown like that before *cough* how cheesey)
- Gender Confusion

well that's true envy totally ownz pride that looked so strong , it looks like pride is a little afraid by envy because he doesnt even try to fight...

Why the hell would the strength be shown before? Envy hasn't fought that much. Only once with Ed, and they wanted to keep him alive. The second time with Greed, and Envy didn't even try to hit Greed. There was no POINT to show it. It was a hidden ability.

And I fail to see how Envy is adrogynous. It didn't even cross my mind that Envy might be (but obviously is not) a girl, the first time I saw him. -.-;;

Since when is AGING a power? I'd say immortality is a power, aging is a weakness.
And Dante created Pride as a Homunculus that can age, because she was planning for him to become Fuhrer. A Fuhrer that doesn't age makes people suspicious.

Or am I wrong?

Yep a 130+ year old Fuhrer that ages like a human doesn't make people suspicious. Sure looks mighty young for a 130+ year old. (Greed knows Pride ).

In retrospect, the part where Greed says that Pride is chasing the Elrics is pretty retarded. If Bradley wanted to "chase" them, he could just ask for them to be sent into his office. -___-

Okay, let put it my 2 bits.

1. The "Ultimate Eye" enables a precognative ability in Brad. Plus, like all the other Homunculi, he has somewhat of a chronokinetic ability enabling him to move at superhuman speeds.

Thus, in a short amount of time, like say on a battlefield, his mind can come up with all possible options in any given situation and allows him to see the results of his actions and thus seem to make the right choice and dodge attacks.

But, then again, not everyone is perfect and no pwer, no matter how great, can make up for human error or split-second switches; I.E. Brad's eyepatch getting cut off.

2. Why's everyone knocking on Brad? He's SUPAH KAWAII!! *Glomps the uber-cuddley teddy-bear of a Fuhrer*