Full Version: Abortion
I say that if I got knocked up, I wouldent a want that lil ****er! GO FREE WILL!!!!
QUOTE(Hughes_ImissYou @ Jun 30 2005, 12:00 AM)
Hm, I am aginest it, they had unsafe sex to get pregnated, Just because the babie is inside you doesnt mean it should have to suffer death before birth...
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Mississippi, or Alabama?
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QUOTE(Hughes_ImissYou @ Jun 30 2005, 12:00 AM)
Hm, I am aginest it, they had unsafe sex to get pregnated, Just because the babie is inside you doesnt mean it should have to suffer death before birth...
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Mississippi, or Alabama?
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wow, oh god, my head...
hhmmm well i think it depends on the situation.if she was having careless sex she should have never done that in the 1st place,if she was raped she should be able to not keep the baby,and if she would be unable to support the baby then she should also have the wright to decide what she wants.Any woman has that wright.it is the womens body and she should be able 2 do what she wants with it.so with me it depends on the situation and stuff like that.this was an interesting question.
I voted depends
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QUOTE(dollsoldier @ Duelist Underground)
It's better for the children if they are born into homes when both parents (or at very least, the mother) are financially, emotionally, and mentally able to take care of them, and fully willing to do so as well. If that means aborting the child because they feel they're not ready to do all of that, more power to them. For the sake of child, it's imprtant to have abortions available to pregnant women.
And I hate when people who say "But they can just put them up for adoption" as if it's the magical cure to all their problems. As if parents can just put unwanted children into orphanages, never think about us anymore, and still feel morally superior. A lot of kids don't get adopted, don't get taken care of by the orphanage, oftentimes they're even put into abusive situations by the people who adopt them. And a lot of orphans end up on the street anyway. Sure, maybe people living in that situation grow up and make something of themselves. Most of us become murderers, gang members, thieves, rapists, and whores. Sometimes because we can't survive any other way. When I got arrested a few years back I had an interesting conversation with someone working at the juvenille court, who said that the vast majority of all criminals, young and old, had problems with their parents. If everyone who was forced into having a child before they were ready because they didn't believe in abortion had actually aborted their kid, I am damn sure there would be less criminals walking the streets. Abortions are, in general, beneficial to the general good of society.
Anyone who says quantity of life is better than quality has never spent entire years of their childhood wondering as they went to sleep if they would wake up in the morning.
And I hate when people who say "But they can just put them up for adoption" as if it's the magical cure to all their problems. As if parents can just put unwanted children into orphanages, never think about us anymore, and still feel morally superior. A lot of kids don't get adopted, don't get taken care of by the orphanage, oftentimes they're even put into abusive situations by the people who adopt them. And a lot of orphans end up on the street anyway. Sure, maybe people living in that situation grow up and make something of themselves. Most of us become murderers, gang members, thieves, rapists, and whores. Sometimes because we can't survive any other way. When I got arrested a few years back I had an interesting conversation with someone working at the juvenille court, who said that the vast majority of all criminals, young and old, had problems with their parents. If everyone who was forced into having a child before they were ready because they didn't believe in abortion had actually aborted their kid, I am damn sure there would be less criminals walking the streets. Abortions are, in general, beneficial to the general good of society.
Anyone who says quantity of life is better than quality has never spent entire years of their childhood wondering as they went to sleep if they would wake up in the morning.
I am against abortion. I believe it is murder.
Argh, did someone really start this topic? *Has had many an arguement over it* I suppose it had to come sometime...and I can't just not post...
Pro-Choice. All the way. The woman has a right to choose, because yes, the fetus is a part of her body. There are lots of different situations dealing with abortion, so a person cannot lump everyone who wants an abortion in the category of "careless". I say if you don't want an abortion, don't get one. Don't make other people suffer, and possibly die. (Because there are the instances where if the woman does not get an abortion, she will die.) "Morality" should not be a part of this, because it is only one set of "morals"- as if the "morals" of one religion should govern all people. Sex
I really think this could go on an on, but I've said enough for now...
Pro-Choice. All the way. The woman has a right to choose, because yes, the fetus is a part of her body. There are lots of different situations dealing with abortion, so a person cannot lump everyone who wants an abortion in the category of "careless". I say if you don't want an abortion, don't get one. Don't make other people suffer, and possibly die. (Because there are the instances where if the woman does not get an abortion, she will die.) "Morality" should not be a part of this, because it is only one set of "morals"- as if the "morals" of one religion should govern all people. Sex
I really think this could go on an on, but I've said enough for now...
depend on situation im like 99.9% against it
Situation when im ok w/it
-if the baby is going to be born on the streets or something
-if baby will be brain dead
Situation when im ok w/it
-if the baby is going to be born on the streets or something
-if baby will be brain dead
I'm willing to bet a good 25% of the kids in this world would've been better off if they'd been aborted.
Sadly, that's true. 
Too many people having kids based solely on the fact that their plumbing works and nothing else.
Too many people having kids based solely on the fact that their plumbing works and nothing else.
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Sadly, that's true.
Too many people having kids based solely on the fact that their plumbing works and nothing else.
Too many people having kids based solely on the fact that their plumbing works and nothing else.
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yah... like, all of Sub-Saharan Africa.
Anywhere that people have been grossly mislead to believe that birth control and abortion are sins. Including here in the US.
I still hate the last pope because he would go into poor areas or even better, areas that have a high rate of HIV and tell them not to use condoms. Because you know, having a child born into extreme poverty or born with a deadly disease is much better than preventing the pregnancy in the first place.
I still hate the last pope because he would go into poor areas or even better, areas that have a high rate of HIV and tell them not to use condoms. Because you know, having a child born into extreme poverty or born with a deadly disease is much better than preventing the pregnancy in the first place.
Well, it's not like that entire continent isn't doomed, anyway. They just can't seem to stop killing each other. No matter how much foreign aid is given to them, it ends up going to waste, because rather than investing in food, medicine and things that will promote economic growith, they instead use it to buy arms for their latest civil war, and to rebuild whatever infrastructure those wars end up destroying. It's a vicious cycle. I'm not so heartless as to say, 'stop sending them aid', but there's clearly a much deeper social problem at the root, which we can't really do anything about as outsiders.
Woah, What, no bacon? sign me an autograph.
QUOTE(My Alchemist Romance @ Aug 22 2005, 04:08 PM)
Woah, What, no bacon? sign me an autograph.
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Hmmm?
Nevermiiind... *whistles*
m'kay...
I think it depends.
If it was in a situation where you were raped, you should be able to have the choice to have an abortion or not.
But I totally oppose to people who have sex willingly and try to get abortions out of it. I think that if it was your fault, that you were the one who caused it, you should have the responsibility to look after a child who's coming out of this world, not knowing about anything that's going on.
If it was in a situation where you were raped, you should be able to have the choice to have an abortion or not.
But I totally oppose to people who have sex willingly and try to get abortions out of it. I think that if it was your fault, that you were the one who caused it, you should have the responsibility to look after a child who's coming out of this world, not knowing about anything that's going on.
what is the point in having a kid thats not loved?
Interesting but not suprising.
I read an article some years back that suggested even newborns didn't feel very much pain, or any other sensation because their nerve endings were still developing.
I read an article some years back that suggested even newborns didn't feel very much pain, or any other sensation because their nerve endings were still developing.
What a woman does with her own body is her own decision. Nobody can tell you what to do with your own body.
QUOTE(Envy's lil' miniskirt @ Aug 23 2005, 07:01 PM)
Interesting but not suprising.
I read an article some years back that suggested even newborns didn't feel very much pain, or any other sensation because their nerve endings were still developing.
I read an article some years back that suggested even newborns didn't feel very much pain, or any other sensation because their nerve endings were still developing.
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I just hope this puts a big dent in the agenda of those simpletons who protest outside abortion clinics, waving around photos of aborted fetuses. It's a cheap shock tactic meant to dissuade serious discussion of the issue. Something right-wingers seem to be getting better and better at.
QUOTE(What @ no bacon?,Aug 24 2005, 01:26 PM)
I just hope this puts a big dent in the agenda of those simpletons who protest outside abortion clinics, waving around photos of aborted fetuses. It's a cheap shock tactic meant to dissuade serious discussion of the issue. Something right-wingers seem to be getting better and better at.
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Unfortunately it probably won't. They'll just go around saying it's lies to get women to have more abortions. I too am getting sick of their shock tactics especially since none of these people have any intention of giving these unwanted children that they demand be born and put up for adoption a home. Most comon thing I hear said by people such as this is "I don't want to raise anyone elses mistakes."
I really hope I run into a bunch of them when I go for a dr appointment one day. I would like to have a long conversation with them, asking if they are going to adopt these children that they demand are born, especially if the child is not white. Of course with types like this it's only precious when it's a fetus.
Love the baby, hate the child and all that good crap.
Yup. It's as George Carlin said, "With these right-wing types, if you're pre-born, you're fine, if you're in preschool, you're f***ed."
Yes, exactly.
All these children being bounced around the system in need of a good, loving home and these fundies want more and more to be born just so they can feel good about themselves.
All these children being bounced around the system in need of a good, loving home and these fundies want more and more to be born just so they can feel good about themselves.
i dont support the abort because this is a live a person have live since it are so small you can imagine that your mom was think in that???, but i´m agree with the mothers that leave the childrens in centers
QUOTE(Envy's lil' miniskirt @ Aug 24 2005, 05:37 PM)
Yes, exactly.
All these children being bounced around the system in need of a good, loving home and these fundies want more and more to be born just so they can feel good about themselves.
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I realize I'm replying late.
Anyway, I'm not a fan of irresponsible breading, but I will say that if the baby is a human being, it is considered protected in my opinion. I don't really care about the agenda or interest of the person having the child, but rather the fact that I feel the child should be protected even in the womb. I don't think that people should be killed because of convenience, so if a child is human in the womb, the child should not be killed.
Of course it's now a metaphysical question of whether the child is human before being born. I also don't disagree with the inappropriateness of many who raise children. We can't let emotion cloud the debate, however. It's important to make sure that the debate is about facts/logic rather than emotive response, otherwise it will lead to rash behavior.
QUOTE(elalquimistafilosofal @ Sep 4 2005, 08:15 PM)
i dont support the abort because this is a live a person have live since it are so small you can imagine that your mom was think in that???, but i´m agree with the mothers that leave the childrens in centers
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QUOTE(What @ no bacon?,Sep 4 2005, 10:00 PM)
QUOTE(elalquimistafilosofal @ Sep 4 2005, 08:15 PM)
i dont support the abort because this is a live a person have live since it are so small you can imagine that your mom was think in that???, but i´m agree with the mothers that leave the childrens in centers
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Read his signature
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QUOTE(arche @ Sep 4 2005, 05:17 PM)
I realize I'm replying late.
Anyway, I'm not a fan of irresponsible breading, but I will say that if the baby is a human being, it is considered protected in my opinion. I don't really care about the agenda or interest of the person having the child, but rather the fact that I feel the child should be protected even in the womb. I don't think that people should be killed because of convenience, so if a child is human in the womb, the child should not be killed.
Of course it's now a metaphysical question of whether the child is human before being born. I also don't disagree with the inappropriateness of many who raise children. We can't let emotion cloud the debate, however. It's important to make sure that the debate is about facts/logic rather than emotive response, otherwise it will lead to rash behavior.
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Anyway, I'm not a fan of irresponsible breading, but I will say that if the baby is a human being, it is considered protected in my opinion. I don't really care about the agenda or interest of the person having the child, but rather the fact that I feel the child should be protected even in the womb. I don't think that people should be killed because of convenience, so if a child is human in the womb, the child should not be killed.
Of course it's now a metaphysical question of whether the child is human before being born. I also don't disagree with the inappropriateness of many who raise children. We can't let emotion cloud the debate, however. It's important to make sure that the debate is about facts/logic rather than emotive response, otherwise it will lead to rash behavior.
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Better late than never Arche.
I don't think the fetus can be considered a human being until it's born. Think about how easily a woman can miscarry or how sometimes the fetus is re-absorbed into the hosts body. To me, a fetus seems like a pretty fagile thing until it actually turns into a baby and is born.
Also, see the link I posted erlier in the thread.
A baby is fragile also even after being born. It's arguable that all of us depend on other people in one way or another. The only difference is whether the dependance has an actual physical connection or is secondarily physical and/or psycho-social.
I'm so Pro-life that it isn't even an issue for me! *just got done with debate class this was the subject*
You should take responsability for things that you do! And having the choice of killing your "mistake"
shouldn't be make legal! A person is a person whether their body is fully functional yet or not! And if
the person is in the prosses of being formed, then that just makes it worse! That's taking away the
possability that there will be another person in the world that could make it more benefitial for others!
~*~PRO-LIFE~*~
You should take responsability for things that you do! And having the choice of killing your "mistake"
shouldn't be make legal! A person is a person whether their body is fully functional yet or not! And if
the person is in the prosses of being formed, then that just makes it worse! That's taking away the
possability that there will be another person in the world that could make it more benefitial for others!
~*~PRO-LIFE~*~
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I'm so Pro-life that it isn't even an issue for me! *just got done with debate class this was the subject*
You should take responsability for things that you do! And having the choice of killing your "mistake"
shouldn't be make legal! A person is a person whether their body is fully functional yet or not! And if
the person is in the prosses of being formed, then that just makes it worse! That's taking away the
possability that there will be another person in the world that could make it more benefitial for others!
~*~PRO-LIFE~*~
You need to take a biology class, and soon.
I know... *already took three higher level versions* ...the child isn't exactly alive until the heart and brain are completely functioning. However there is a chance that if that child wasn't killed then it could have created a cure for cancer, AIDs, or become the next president during a war and make all the right descision to win and help the ones who lost! We would never know what they were ment to do! And have you seen the ways that they take out/kill the unborn child! It is the most grotesk thing that I have ever had to watch!
Or, they could end up as the next Jeffery Dahmer or Ted Bundy. Or, they could grow up to be the next George Bush and lead a country to an unnecessary war that will take the lives of many innocent people. They could even end up as a thug on the street that could end up robbing and murdering innocent people.
There's two sides to every coin. Just because someone starts out as a baby doesn't mean they will stay all innocent and sweet and do good all their lives.
John Wayne Gacy was also a baby once and so was Saddam and Hitler for that matter.
As far as grotesque, childbirth is equally grotesque.
There's two sides to every coin. Just because someone starts out as a baby doesn't mean they will stay all innocent and sweet and do good all their lives.
John Wayne Gacy was also a baby once and so was Saddam and Hitler for that matter.
As far as grotesque, childbirth is equally grotesque.
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I know... *already took three higher level versions* ...the child isn't exactly alive until the heart and brain are completely functioning. However there is a chance that if that child wasn't killed then it could have created a cure for cancer, AIDs, or become the next president during a war and make all the right descision to win and help the ones who lost! We would never know what they were ment to do! And have you seen the ways that they take out/kill the unborn child! It is the most grotesk thing that I have ever had to watch!
Then don't watch it. Simple enough.
Nobody wants to see how sausage is made, either.
Fact is, most of the abortions in this country are performed on people in dire straits financially, with little chance for advancement [at least if they have another mouth to feed]. The odds of these kids growing up to be anything great are those of a snowball in hell. Don't use these arguments, because they're flimsy at best.
I was require to watch the abortion videos for a section we did on it... and yes they do have the same chance to end up bad as they do good! I totally recognize that fact! And about the financial thing... they could just put the child into an adoption agency! It would give those people out there who don't have kids, or can't have them, a chance to take care of one. And then they could have a better life, without having to die before birth, *already knows that they aren't alive "technically"*. And if they didn't want the kid in the first place then they shouldn't have messed around. *simple as that*
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I was require to watch the abortion videos for a section we did on it... and yes they do have the same chance to end up bad as they do good! I totally recognize that fact! And about the financial thing... they could just put the child into an adoption agency! It would give those people out there who don't have kids, or can't have them, a chance to take care of one. And then they could have a better life, without having to die before birth, *already knows that they aren't alive "technically"*. And if they didn't want the kid in the first place then they shouldn't have messed around. *simple as that* 
Kids say the darnedest things.
Guess what, not everyone who has an unwanted child understands the options available to her. And not everyone even has so much as the option to offer her child up for adoption. Look at Africa, for example. Do you really think the women having those malnourished, miserable kids understand that they can put them up for adoption, or even have that option available to them? And not only that, but carrying a child for 9 months is a huge hassle if you're not planning to keep the kid... and labor... well, I'll leave that up to someone who's actually experienced it to explain, but it's not a happy experience. Your world view is guided by naive idealism. It's understandable, but also wrong.
And if they FORCED you to watch that video, I'd take it up with the school.
There are many unwanted children being bounced around the system. Adoption sounds like a good idea but in reality sometimes it would of been better for the child to not have been born at all. It's a sad fact but it's true.
As for messing around, humans are sexual beings and in alot of cases either their religion forbids birth control so they don't use it or the birth control fails so they wind up with a pregnancy anyway.
This subject isn't black and white it's all shades of grey.
As for messing around, humans are sexual beings and in alot of cases either their religion forbids birth control so they don't use it or the birth control fails so they wind up with a pregnancy anyway.
This subject isn't black and white it's all shades of grey.
Try imagine your self with out a life. Imagine your self not being able to have a chance to live. Who are we to play God. Who are we to decide who lives or dies. I'll admit the case of Rape is very ife. It isn't far to the parent that they are going to have a child but Is it far for the child to be killed of because some one else did something wrong? As for the rest of the cases were the parents had a "accident". No thats un exeptable. There going to make the child pay for there mistake. I can think of no greater evil than killing off your own child.
FYI I was Adopted and every one deserves a chance to live.
FYI I was Adopted and every one deserves a chance to live.
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Try imagine your self with out a life. Imagine your self not being able to have a chance to live. Who are we to play God. Who are we to decide who lives or dies. I'll admit the case of Rape is very ife. It isn't far to the parent that they are going to have a child but Is it far for the child to be killed of because some one else did something wrong? As for the rest of the cases were the parents had a "accident". No thats un exeptable. There going to make the child pay for there mistake. I can think of no greater evil than killing off your own child.
FYI I was Adopted and every one deserves a chance to live.
A fetus is not a child, and abortion is not playing god. Try again.
I'm going to say what I always say:
Abortion is something that we need. Accidents happen. What if you're 16 and have sex, and end up pregnant? Surely you're not old enough to keep it, and they need the option to decide themselves. I think one cannot ban something like this, or women will be given abortions in back allies and dying from mal practices because of it again. Abortion is fairly new and I support it. There are reason when you need it.
That and if men could get pregant, they'd be able to get abortions at the store.... Seriously.
Abortion is something that we need. Accidents happen. What if you're 16 and have sex, and end up pregnant? Surely you're not old enough to keep it, and they need the option to decide themselves. I think one cannot ban something like this, or women will be given abortions in back allies and dying from mal practices because of it again. Abortion is fairly new and I support it. There are reason when you need it.
That and if men could get pregant, they'd be able to get abortions at the store.... Seriously.
see new sig 
I think that abortion should be legal because that way if something happens and the mother is unable to care for the child or she is raped and doesn't want to have a child under those circumstances then the option of abortion is there, and just because abortion is legal doesn't mean that those who don't believe in it have to get it, they can have their children regardless. However, I believe it's called partial birth or partial abortion I don't think that that should be legal.
If you choose to have the child then I think you should keep it, unless you are physically or mentally unable, don't just give it up to foster homes and adoption just because you don't want it. One of my best friends's families took in foster children and I use to be scared to go to her house because every time I would go over there the foster children would make threats and try to beat each other up and it was because they didn't have a good life...Sometimes they do turn out alright and get adopted by good families but sometimes they don't and they wind up like the kids that I met. (Most of the kids just had parents that didn't want them.)
Like everyone else...this is just my opinion please don't flame me.
If you choose to have the child then I think you should keep it, unless you are physically or mentally unable, don't just give it up to foster homes and adoption just because you don't want it. One of my best friends's families took in foster children and I use to be scared to go to her house because every time I would go over there the foster children would make threats and try to beat each other up and it was because they didn't have a good life...Sometimes they do turn out alright and get adopted by good families but sometimes they don't and they wind up like the kids that I met. (Most of the kids just had parents that didn't want them.)
Like everyone else...this is just my opinion please don't flame me.
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If you choose to have the child then I think you should keep it, unless you are physically or mentally unable,
...or financially unable...
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If you choose to have the child then I think you should keep it, unless you are physically or mentally unable,
...or financially unable...
Oh yeah...I forgot about putting financially on my list. Thanks.
i think its wrong but if you get rapped, i guess you could but its still wrong to just kill a human being and never know
what would of happened if you keept him/her. but if it was an accident they should keep it because of there mistake.
its harsh but even harsher for the child.
what would of happened if you keept him/her. but if it was an accident they should keep it because of there mistake.
its harsh but even harsher for the child.
no way!!
If the people actually took the time to think out the consequences, then they wouldn't kill a life!
For example; a slut. Of course, like most sluts, they xxx without thinking just because they think their bodies are so great they GOTTA show it out to the world (aka all the men). But have they ever used their brains (if they have one) to think what would happen if they really got pregnant? Of course not. So when it actually happens, they kill yet another life just so their burden is released frmo their bony little shoulders
another example; poor people with no money. I'll make this short and not so sweet. IF YOU DONT' HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO SUPPORT YOURSELF, THINK ABOUT THE BABY AND DON'T BOTHER GETTING IT AT ALL.
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If the people actually took the time to think out the consequences, then they wouldn't kill a life!
For example; a slut. Of course, like most sluts, they xxx without thinking just because they think their bodies are so great they GOTTA show it out to the world (aka all the men). But have they ever used their brains (if they have one) to think what would happen if they really got pregnant? Of course not. So when it actually happens, they kill yet another life just so their burden is released frmo their bony little shoulders
another example; poor people with no money. I'll make this short and not so sweet. IF YOU DONT' HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO SUPPORT YOURSELF, THINK ABOUT THE BABY AND DON'T BOTHER GETTING IT AT ALL.
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