wow O.o theres a post further back called "random seemingly pointless things to notise" you might like that ^^ its got a bit of this stuff

He has Rozarie's body when he transmuted. Unlike Ed and Al who had to make one. The thing in it deformed it I guess. But either way he had Rozarie as a starting point. Izumi had a premature baby so whatever she did to it probaby had a bigger effect than it did on a young girl and totaly changed it.

Possible, but sounds improbable. Let's see what they say in Ling & Mustang's talk in this last chapter (I only understood that Mustang introduces himself as a Colonel from the Military, and he knows Ling is a prince, and Ling as the 12th son of the Emperor)

Don't feel like fishing old threads.

Rather the idea was to use this as a new, updated, thread about details.

Ah, yes that sounds good.

Well, 2 more details:

1- A part from Equivalent Change, Exact Trade, etc-however-it-may-be-translated, Touka Koukan, that is, here's another motto for this series, apparently:
The Elrics and Izumi are not the only ones to learn the one is all, all is one -> Lose the "ones" and there's no "all". It applies too to Ling, Bradley and Ranfan's dialogue about kings: "Lose the people and there's no such thing as a king". No?

2- Kawaii one. Look at Winry's bag, in page 27, it has a Den keyholder (that'll probably be out for sale soon ).
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Ahh! That is cute! Once again, you certainly have a sharp eye!

On a totally different note has anyone noticed the art is not as good as the shows? It might be just me and my frieds or the fact the itt's just live animation and makes it look glossier. Any thoughts on it?

.........I personally like Arakawa-sensei's art better than the anime's.

Me too. I also like the fact that she draws the characters in different clothes than their normal ones sometimes. It gets annoying when people never change clothes.

I agree with WishfulThinking and Umeko. I prefer Arakawa's style. Although I wouldn't mind it being in color and perhaps animated too! ^_~ But overall I go with Arakawa's work.

Which volume is that from?

I prefer Arakawa-sensei's art style

Hummm.... On graphic styles... I wouldn't know... I like them both. I like the anime one over the manga's first chapters' style, but afterwards, it's a draw for me.
I've seen many animes with a helluva big difference of styles between manga and anime, for example...
For the better: Ranma 1/2 (perhaps, the most famous one) and Trigun.
For the worse: Meitantei Conan <ack> The art is not particularly good in the manga but in some anime chapters is just... --eeeeww--
But for this one, I think, they're both quite similar.

What really makes the difference here, always IMHO, is the story, character depth, blah, blah.


Volume 12, still not out. Last chapter, 48

You'll see that Ed is left-handed in episode 6 when he writes a letter to Winry. But in episode 1, when Ed writes down the transmution circle, you can see that he is right-handed. Which means he cannot write with his auto-mail arm.

I'm impressed! Your ability to notice so many small things...especially the Curtis's first appearance, I wasn't even aware of that!
Maybe you can get some more analysis from the other colored pics by Arakaw-sensei?
Since I remember one of the pics she drew was Edward sitting kingly in a throne( FMA tarot cards, 4. The Emperor), and in the alchemy signs, it signed that Edward would either die while he was in a 'kingly' state or his spiritual side will reach a kingly state( something like becoming a sage). Maybe this is something that just came through unoticed while Arakawa-sensei was drawing the pic.
But before I found that out, there was already a picture in my mind's eye with Edward wearing a robe, letting his hair down and hold a staff-like thing, now I couldn't even get it out.

Interesting! I shall take a look about that... Maybe the automail is not precise enough to allow Ed to write? Hmmm...

Yay, thanks. I did it "on purpose", tho'.
On that "Curtisses" one, I'm not quite sure it's them. It seems so... But what would they be doing in East City? Didn't they just travel to central?

Maybe it's just one of those first tests for a design, just as you can find Temari as a Leaf ninja in one of the early chapters of the first volume of Naruto

Uh... me got lost... I wouldn't know. I'll take a look at the artbook pics I have, but I don't think I can take much out of it... ;

Maybe they were just going everywhere or something >_>
They might like to travel around a lot!



o_0 Chapter number. NOW!
Did you even notice the ninja from the Hidden Village of the Mood during the Chuunin written test? Someone had a moon headband, yet we never see or hear about them before or after the test >_>

No can do, don't have it at hand
But it's before the teams are announced (2nd chapter then, come to think of it) when Naruto "kisses" Sasuke and some kunoichi are angry at him, IIRC. She has the same four short tails in her hair and the bandanna in her neck.

Yup, check.

And you can count more than 6 ninjas from some-village-I-don't-remember (grass or waterfall or rain) that is supposed to have only 6 of them according to Kabuto.

But this is getting off-topic...

EDIT: quotes.

anyone notice who lust REALLY IS??? take a guess still no k then here you go lust is really,the elric brothers mother yep volume 1 page 75

Wow, you have no idea what you are talking about.

[spoiler] From Lust's first appearance in the manga to her death, she was never revealed as the Elric's mother. [/spoiler]

If you read the label of the bottle of beer being poured on Ed in the Youswell chapter, you'll see a (very) tiny easter egg.

[img]http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2982/image11pg.th.gif[/img]
[img]http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9373/straydog5nk.png[/img]

It's hard to see in the image, but if you have it on print, find the page and squint, you can tell it says, "Stray Dog". Stray Dog was Hiromu Arakawa-sensei's first manga, done in 1999.

Wow!
Very good one, indeed.

PS:Now, this is what I call a bump.

I was watching episode 6 today, and I relized at the point where Ed joins his hands when Gracia is in labor. In the sub, Ed makes a fist with his right hand and claps it with his open left. But in the dub, Ed just claps without making a fist with his figures sightly bended. I guess FUNimation thought claping hands with a fist in one hand and a open in another didn't count as claping to do alchemy...

1. FUNimation isn't the one who changed the scene. BONES admitted that scene in the TV was a mistake and corrected that scene for the DVD release. Get your facts straight

2. This is the MANGA forum, not the anime forum. Please post appropriately

Well, I didn't KNOW that. Sorry. It because FUNimation edits scenes of lots of animes. And it doesn't really matter if it's anime or manga, I'm just saying. There are TONS of anime themes in the manga section.

Manga Section, Title of this thread:"Fma MANGA: (somewhat) Analysis., Facts, mistakes, details... Whatever you"

That Stray Dog Bottle is famous xD!!



look at the bottles of Roy's left side O:

[offtopic]OMG! Pervert!Ed XD[/offtopic]

^ Gomen, that was me XD;;
*didnt loged in* o.o;
*Aw, it went like a huge img now i cant edit it >>;; Dx*

Darn! someone got to the stray dog post before me! thats not the only appearence of stray dog!

I only have the first english version of the fma manga but in chapter one page 5 in the opening of the town of Liore RIGHT THERE!!! a huge sign saying stray dog! thats where i first noticed it and thought maybe theres more!


then i noticed the bottle that the miners were pouring on ed's head in chapter 2 said stray dog.


Since those 2 were subsequent i thought there would be one in chapter 3 but to my dismay i didnt find one maybe im wrong and they're hidden in every chapter, but im pretty sure they're randomly put in there.


Sorry i didnt get a picture of the first hidden stray dog but dont worry its hard to miss!

Dammit, now I want to track down that manga xD Arakawa should start a brewing company, she's got the advertisment pretty much down

'Tis the bottle again! Kinda hard to see, but I'm sure it's the same one! (chapter 32)

Arakawa-sensei sure likes her first work ^^

Oooh!!
I got this from the FMA guide book!!
The part where Hughes is in the phone boot calling Roy, they say to state the code.
Which is Uncle*, Sugar, Oliver, Eight, Zero, Zero.
(*I think they translated this wrong...cause uncle and ankle sound the same...)
If you take the first letter of the three words and put the numbers in, it's this.
USO800
In Japanese, it translate to big fat lie!!

Impressive!

Arakawa sensei... That woman is just... Did you se the flap for volume 10? She's actually buying lots of books about, mainly, army and weapons. That, the stuff about the hommunculi's deaths = their sin's punishment in hell, all the research about alchemy it's shown she's done...

Really, we do have a detailist author here. Yay!

That's probably why I love her so much, she's so well researched. No plot holes like BONES, either

*cuddles Arakawa-sensei ^_______^

I have a few theories. The following may contain some spoilers of some sort, so be careful if you haven't gotten too far into the series.

First, I think I have figured out (with the help of my friend Eric) what happened when the first homunculi were created. When Ed and Al were talking about human transmutation and why it was forbidden they mentioned something about it "causing a country to collapse in one night." Later, Ling mentions something about going to see something called the Cselkcess Ruins, and Al said that all that he'd heard was the legend that "it crumbled one night." Ed said he'd never heard of it, but he also said that he'd never heard of the Philosopher’s Stone, so he was probably lying about that as well. I think that it was mentioned some where that the ordeal with the Cselkcess Ruins happened 200 years ago (I'm not sure where this was, my friend Eric said this, he could be wrong), the date isn't really important though, except for the fact that we know that the homunculi are over 100 years old (the first ones, not including Bradley) so, I'm thinking that maybe what happened was that the city that has now become the Cselkcess Ruins was turned into a giant transmutation circle and that all the people in the city were used as ingredients and that is how the first homunculi were created, and they might be trying to do the same thing in Central now to make more homunculi. Another support that it was the Cselkcess Ruins were affiliated with the stone is that Ling went to see them, time is important to them with the Emperor’s immanent death and all I doubt they would be taking any sight seeing trips unless it was in some way associated with their goal.

Second, I think I know why Hohenhaim was "bullet proof" when we saw him last time and why he, Ling, and Ran Fan are lumped in with the homunculi in the "better than other humans" group. Perhaps in Xing, due to their human alchemy one can improve upon the body they are born with, make it better. I know it doesn't seem to make an sense at first, but if you think about it, it all fits. Add in the fact that Hohenhaim was on a train going through the desert (the way Ling said they was traveling to Amestris from Xing before a sandstorm covered the tracks and they had to continue on camel and horseback). I'm assuming he was coming back to Amestris from Xing, where he learned to do some kind upgrade (for lack of a better term) on himself. I'm assuming that Ling and Ran Fan's bodies wouldn't have had the same quality of work that Hohenhaim's had, seeing as he did his himself and they probably had someone else do theirs for them.

Wow, I hope I'm right in thinking some of this, and sorry if it's a bit off topic, I just didn't know where else to put it.

Bumping....

In chapter 51... gotta confirm with the translation but... when he and Ling are starving, Ed suggests to eat the boot, as he saw in a movie when he was a kid...

That's one of the most famous scenes of Charlie Chaplin's The Gold Rush!!!! ZOMFG! YESSAA!!

Arakawa rockz, once again.

o_O That's a lot of things to notice...*coughdetailfreakscough* The only things I noticed were the Izumi and Sig ones.

Tarot cards? I've seen that particular picture before, but I didn't know it was a tarot card. Is there a page anywhere that has pictures of the set?



I really don't think it was a mistake, even if BONES do. After all, Ed didn't consciously clap to perform alchemy, since he was surprised that it happened - and it doesn't make sense for him to randomly clap. Punching his hand in frustration makes much more sense, to me.

Of course, they got into the mess in the first place because it was changed from the manga, where Ed instantly realised that he was able to trasmute by clapping...

Woah, you guys (and girls), sure do notice a lot of things. I noticed the Stray Dog, the British Naval newspaper, and the Curtisses and some other things, but not as much as you.

I also read in a topic, i think it was the Ch 49, when someone said something about Envy's horse to human transformation (Envy's feet) and that if a human's hand was to be compared to a horse's feet, the middle finger would be in that position that during envy's transformation. Arakawa's sooo detailed!! That s why I love her manga ^-^ (credit given to whoever wrote about it first)

and did any one notice that if Fu's (Who) and RanFan's top part of the mask are part of the Yin and Yang sign?

and Xiao May's actions are always almost similar to Mei Chang's? In vol. 8, Mei Chang's first appearance, both of them were lying on the floor in similar ways, and when they got up, they did it at the same time and same action?

Also, You know the couple that was in the beginning of vol 5 , the one that the girl wants nice jewelry. They were the same couple that Hawkeye got the car from.

BUMP get some...

Sorry for the useless post, I've got the big one elsewhere, I'll edit this one and post it whenever I can. It's just that yesterday it kept giving me an error everytime I tried to post, darn it.

So I tried again today, realizing now I don't have the big text at hand U

EDIT: One thing I recall: if some moderator reads this, I believe this, the funny/sad moments and the Omake Scanlations threads should be sticky, since they'll be ongoing as long as the manga does, just like the favourite chara one (new details, new funny/sad scenes, new omakes, etc.)

I'll put the easiest one just for now:
In the last chapter we see one of the chimeras guarding Father's "lair" was a gigantic 3 headed dog... Obviously a reference to Cerberus (or however it is spelled in English), the 3 headed dog that gurads the entrance to the Underworld in the Greek Mythology.

More to come later!

Actually, couldn't the "British Naval Officer Dead" detail be a mistake? I wasn't aware that Britian existed in FMA.

Otherwise, very, very nice.

Za original post:

Reread the last volumes and...


A little late, but, here:

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It's true!
And farther ahead, when Ed and Al go get Winry at the police/military HQ, they're still receiving all kind of news (like the explosion at an abandoned factory -> Ling's battle with Bradley ) they also mention this girl with glasses who shot Scar and that she was driving a really fashionable car, and someone comments, "a rich people's car, eh?" or similar. Boy, that much coherence.

More:
When Mustang goes to the abandoned "house" with the Elrics for the gluttony thing, Bradley mentions he's officially out scouting the streets. A couple or so chapters later, when Roy meets Raven (that son of a.... ), he indeed does tell him he was scouting the streets... Once again... There's Arakawa sensei working to the tiniest detail... so impressive.

Let's keep moving:

Chapter 38, page 7:
A stupid one, but funny: In the second panel, one of the 2 people Envy passes between, the one we see his back, looks quite like who? Hoho, indeed. I'm not saying he is him, tho'. That'd be rather... weird.

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A more interesting one, in chapter 33, page 47:
Bradley's having a meeting because of the sudden return of Scar... Now look who's there...

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Yup, our soon-to-be-"beloved" General Raven! Yet another pre-appearence of an important character. Arakawa sensei shows her work for the "countless-th" time. And probably, if you compare this panel with the ones with Mustang going -ooopsie!- there'll probably be more matching faces. Didn't take the time to check tho'.

Eh... I'd rather see it as a filler joke, just to put sth into there. They do this in many comics, animes whatsoever: put a piece of newspaper with some unrelated text to fill. No?

This thread is so great. I barely ever notice the little details that Arakawa puts in but I always love it when someone points them out for me. It makes the FMA world all the more interesting.



If I had noticed that I would have realized to tell Mustang to be careful

*boggled*

wooooow u guys are awesome!!! such fascinating observations!! you have my praise...

Another Stray Dog bottle sighting.

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/3765/fuhrer8gr.png

Could the guy next to Wrath be...

http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/2315/fuhrer24hs.png

That guy? Makes sense, since the Fuhrer's assistant would probably stand next to the Fuhrer.
My point is, did Arakawa have all these characters in mind way back then? (As shown by Sensenic, General Raven was shown earlier than he was introduced). That's only chapter 15!

That Storch guy appears in Chapter 24 too~

http://groups.msn.com/FullMetalAlchemist/v...to&PhotoID=4258

Heh, Arakawa is so neat.
How does she remember all of these people?!

Arakawa-sensei already planned everything all the way to the end when she first started drawing the manga.

Also~~~
See what we have here?
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IT'S ARAKAWA-SENSEI!! She has fainted from her work under her desk! Do your best!

... ... !!!

WTF?! I say his "probability of being Pride"-o-meter has risen quite much, if Arakawa had him thought and designed all along...

Two words, people: "Im", "pressive". (Spanish in-joke here )

Arakawa sensei, for she's been playing with us fans all the time... *bows*

Must say tho' that according to her it wasn't so: She said her style with FMA was: she had an idea for a beginning and she had an idea for an ending. How will she get there? She makes it up on the way. In her own words: "Don't ask me what's going to happen in Hagaren some time from now because even I don't know."
Of course, this was a while ago, and, as I see it, I believe she's already starting to tie up loose ends and going down (not down in quality, of course!) to the end, so by now she may have it all set. Let's just (eagerly) wait and see...

God, I love this manga!

Wow! Another detail for the count. The self-cameo couldn't be missing, indeed...

He also bares a resemblance to the outline of Pride in Chapter 49.

woooo you msut have a super sharp eye to have caught the cow portrait under the desk XD

I read a mention of a gaiden.. being that I just recently decided to read the manga and have never heard of it would someone mind explaining what it is and possibly give a link?

A Gaiden is like an 'extra' and usually has little or no involvement with the whole plot. A Gaiden would be "The military's Dog" (where we first meet black Hayate) or the gaiden which features Roy vs. Ed. Sorry though, I couldn't find the link, but I know that vol 3 & vol 4 of Hagaren manga has it.