Awww shucks. *sigh* thanks for trying anyway. If I had talent and patience for drawing, I'd make one myself.

I actually had a Greed x Gluttony nightmare once.

I never get the hot dreams.

Nice pic!

Thanks for helping to wash that horrible sight out of my mind.

You know, if I came across that fic I would probably read it too, or at least as much as I could stand. It's like a car accident, you just have to look.

Thanks! That's my favoret pic!
The story goes like this :
scar was knocked out, brain washed and given "red elixer".
Red elixer in the Dhrskhn Veris is like love potion number nine. (Angels and demons live here in silent mental war. think pergatory.It's from another anime.)
Gluttnoy was who scar first saw, Lust convinced him he was a chick and then it got graphic. *shudders*
the author made another version where Ed saved him and he fell for Ed, who said they should just be friends.(ed turned to roy.<3) I'll see if she'll post a link.

Car wreck no. airplane into train off bridge onto barge, yes.

Oh I found some really weird couples! (Yugioh/fma)
Out of bordom i watched yugioh and noticed
Mokuba Kiaba looks like Wrath (and is less whiney XD)
and Duke Devlin would be pretty with Envy.(maybe?)
I don't know if it was low blood sugar, the fact it was 9:30pm or what.

Sorry if I cause anyone nightmares! I'll leave you with this...
This my version of a good dream....<3

Loves!

Argh, Eliss, GIMME THE LINK TO THE YUGIOH/FMA FIC!!! GIMME!! GIMME!!! GIMME!!!! <333

And yes, Mokuba looks like Wrath but is less cute! And I just like all the Envy/Wrath pairing too! I can see Wrath being 'in love' with Envy (I don't know if you think the same thing, but I believed Wrath took Envy as a model! Even the clothes are similar!XD) and Envy being all abusive with him!! Love/Hate relationship <33333 Ahem...Sorry I'm a bit on crack!

SinLuxuria: Everything you said makes sence.
in psychology it works like this:

Wrath is lost, scared and alone...he needs protection.
(from him self and others) Enter Envy!
Envy beats him, but is (sickly) kind to him.
He doesn't know any better and seeing a lack of options,
he follows Envy's example. This in insane people, abused women, and neglected children (not all of these suffer this, not all who suffer this are these.) is common.
Wrath most likly will become confused and dilusioned to inaproprate thoughts and jestures. This is what gives abusive petifiles power.
Saddly, Envy fits half this. I doubt he'd try to sexualy abuse wrath, but who knows.
Wrath might fall for Envy's "beauty" and flirt first.

I don't know, It seems like a posibility!
Loves!

i vote for ed and roy

is a couple so extrain

Eliss, I can see where you're coming from and I wouldn't put any abuse beyond Envy. He's a pscyho, we've all long established that. However, my personal image of Envy and Wrath's relationship isn't so much sexual or sadistic as much as it is that they are the ones who can relate to eachother most. They were both rejected and abandoned upon their creation by those who should have loved them. In that, I could them developing some level of odd respect for eachother, but not much more than that.

Is it my imagination, or is FMA yaoi fandom more sadistic than others? I've been looking all over for doujinshi online, and it seems that about 95% of them have Ed as the uke, and he hardly ever seems entirely willing. In nearly 1/3 of them, he's being downright brutally raped, in fact. Poor Edo. Like he's not traumetized enough. I dunno, I guess alot of generic yaoi is like that, too. Plus, I haven't really gathered enough info to draw an accurate statistical conclusion or anything. (Thanks to people who provided links earlier in this thread. Alot of them were really good. )

Jellybean: Well, what was the pairing in the yaoi doujinshi you read? If it was EnvyXEd, we can't really except Envy to be soft, same for the colonel, I think. If it was Elricest, well, Al loves his brother deeply and should be soft toward him. I noticed Ed is almost always uke certainly because of his shortness! I read a Ed/Roy doujinshi once (note the ED/ROY, Ed is the first so he's a seme!)

Toby: I don't think Envy will ever have respect for Wrath, Wrath can have some for him without 'liking' him though. I considered he, sometimes, (not very often) ask him 'for help', but it's only my opinion! He's more open toward Sloth of course.
Oh! And someone stole our idea!

QUOTE(SinLuxuria @ Sep 8 2005, 05:04 AM)

Jellybean: Well, what was the pairing in the yaoi doujinshi you read? If it was EnvyXEd, we can't really except Envy to be soft, same for the colonel, I think. If it was Elricest, well, Al loves his brother deeply and should be soft toward him. I noticed Ed is almost always uke certainly because of his shortness! I read a Ed/Roy doujinshi once (note the ED/ROY, Ed is the first so he's a seme!)Toby: I don't think Envy will ever have respect for Wrath, Wrath can have some for him without 'liking' him though. I considered he, sometimes, (not very often) ask him 'for help', but it's only my opinion! He's more open toward Sloth of course.
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I do know what Wrath feels like as far as the only person
you can find as a role modle is the last person who should ever be one.
Been there,done that, learned the easy way. Wrath isn't so lucky.
You can hate someone so much that you respect them to the point of
being so hatable. Thats how I got one of my best friends, But thats different!
You can also hate someone so much that you love them (done that too.
gees, school was weird) but because of wraths age and ignorance,
he wouldn't know what it is. Thus complicated feelings that he
cant talk about becuase he doesn't understand them. End of story.
Also, Wrath would answer to anybody, as long as he "felt" loved.
He's desperate internaly that way. If Envy slaping him around is
what he counts as love, theres no way to change it.
Thus abused kids tend to find the same kinds of bad people.
Psycohology 101. (This isn't a steriotype, I've been there.)

Jellybean:Cute name! I only read one story where Ed was raped,
but it was by Dante. I haven't read alot of abusive Yaoi...
I tend to stumble acrossed the romantic ones.
Only One Yaoi ever have I read that the two were equals in the relationship
and because of it I now watch Yugioh. Yugimotoxyamiyugi.
uke I'm assuming is "bottom" and seme is "top".
Currect me if I'm wrong. Ed most likely could be the stronger
depending on the conection between him and whoever. Example: Ed vs Roy.
Roy is a Colonel, an "insta-alchemist", and is very dominiering to ALL.
He has a very agressive personality that makes him a good colonel.
Ed is still a kid, traumatized or not, who is learning everything the hard way.
He has an obligation to his brother which keeps him from other obligations
ie dating. Ed is agressive but he's very fragial as well...So is Roy.
The different is Ed brakes down faster, his soul is infected with his guilt, Roy "seems" to have lost his in battle long ago.
This is normal for an officer of the military sadly.
Put both of them in this "downed" mode and then put them together.
Fragial people together can be more stronger then agressivly alone.
Point is: Uke/seme depends on how you view them.
Ed is naturly Fragial thus he tends to be more agressive,
Roy does the military ignor the pain thing and take command to
assure the best is done.

EnvyxEd is different. Envy hates Ed becuase of his father (mostly)
and Ed hates Envy for trying to kill him and his brother.
Violent hate vs the same makes for wierd couple.
Take the violence away. Now you have A guy and a kid.
Willing or not, statatory. They do look great together but
Envy would need to be in one of his moods.

EdxAl is easy to explane. Al is a very soft hearted person,
he isn't agressive in anyway. He's passive to the point that he's
basicly bottom of the food chain. He answers to everyone
(minus the bad guys) and has a love of cats.
I know guys that love cats but he's sneaking them around in
his armor! and he loves kids...He's as soft as they come.
(Ironic he's a giant tin man. O.o)
Ed is agressive even towards Al, but he breaks down easily for
Al too. It's a 50/50 on this one, depending the situation.
Al's less fragial then Ed, Al (trys? does?) to revese his "crime" by
loving eveyone and everything good. Ed trys to reverse it by going
after a mythical stone.
Two wrongs don't make a righ but they do make a left.

Anyone with Riza, she'd be the top. She is highly agressive/protective
and does her Job well.
Rose is a perment bottom because she feels
she can't do anything for herself and the one time she trys it backfires.

Winry kicks even Al's ass, She's too agressive for most of the
charaters and a match (agressive wise) for Ed. Think about their
arguments and you'll figure it out.

SORRY FOR THE LENGHTH! I tried to write less then normal.
I do believe that RoyxHughes would have worked. They were
a good balance to each other, switching between passive/agressive
all the time. Notcie when Roy was all sad, Hughes knocked some
sense into him. When Roy was tense about stuff Hughes made jokes.
They were almost perfect....Wow, I have to go find pictures now.
Loves! <3

If you're looking for Hughes/Roy then it's right down my alley! And that reminds me that I need to scan my Hughes/Roy Doujinshi from Otakon.

Anyways, I found an old post of mine within this thread so I'll copy some of that while adding my extra stuff.

The HughesRoy community gets a nice amount of stories in there and fanart:
http://www.livejournal.com/community/hughesxroy/

I just read an extremely sweet HughesRoy fic on LJ a bit ago:
http://www.livejournal.com/community/fic_o...290.html#cutid1

Also, a great LJ fanart artist is Ponderosa121 (I had the pleasure of meeting her at Otakon):
http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories....+FMA&filter=all
Some of my personal Hughes/Roy faves-
I can just imagine this around the Ishbal war times when Hughes punched him. This one picture made me decide that I love this pairing:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/ponderosa121/386751.html

http://ponderosa121.livejournal.com/335338.html

This is a pretty steamy one but:http://www.livejournal.com/users/ponderosa121/360401.html

This stuff isn't Ponderosa's but it's still cool:
http://www.fanart-central.net/user_thumb.php?aid=sunnyday
http://www.fanart-central.net/profile.php?aid=sunnyday
This user copied those pics from somewhere else, but the stuff itself is great.

@ eliss music: Wow, you could practically write a thesis on FMA pairings! You make some very good points.

@ SinLuxuria: Yeah, all the really dark ones were RoyEd or EnvyEd (or Envy-in-Al-formxEd). Yaoi fangirls just love the angst. (Alright, fine, I do too.)

There are quite a few really cute doujinshi out there as well. The Elricest ones are hardly ever rough. Al would never hurt his nii-san. Although it puzzles me a little that Ed is always the uke even in that scenario. That seems to be a yaoi stereotype, too. In brother-yaoi, the older one is usually the uke. I guess it's a role-reversal thing.
I guess it would be extremely OOC if the EnvyEd ones weren't rough, but I don't really like it in a RoyEd context. I like Roy, and while he's a bit of a pervert, but he doesn't strike me as a rapist.

PS - Geez, look at that overuse of emoticons. Sorry, I just can't resist those things.

I'm gonna go with having Envy resemble a hot girl and Lust cuz they pwn. Plus, I'm a guy so I really don't care for teh guy gayness...ew...

It's not gayness, gayness is the act of being happy damn it!

JellyBean: What flavor are you?
Don't hit me! *ducks*
Ok, Sorry. I would write a thesis on it, but what professor would take it? I don't wanna study psychology as a career. *sigh* Might as well, I'm good at it.
Nii-san? sounds like a car. San is an endearment I know. what's nii?
Brother maybe? I'm american, forgive me.

Nightmistress: They don't call it wildfire for nothing! *wink*
*bows low* thank you so much! thank you thank you thank you!
*drools over pics* I love you now more then before! <3
Wait...you got any more of these? You can email them to me!
I'll let you see all of mine and my brother's pics...He added new ones!
(You can see them anyway, I just wanna find more of these!)

Yaoi/Yuri doesn't matter, it's the hottness! and the passion.
I love on the one link the "explic graphic - preview blocked".
I so have to go see it now! Thanks again!

Hey, think I could get some of those Elricest fic links or something?
I'm only curius to read them. Incest is just weird to me, but I spent 4 years believing I was a guy cuz I liked girls who got confused and thought I was gay when I liked guys so it really shouldn't phase me. Hm, I just realized I never thought of EnvyxEd as incest but in a creepy way it is.
loves! and thanks a bunch all of you!

Here we go again... But I hope you know you said you are sort of attracted to Envy who is a male, even if you can consider him as a girl for a yuri pairing, you just can't forget he's a male and certainly, by the way he acts and somewhat dresses (not all gay guys act like this of course) is 'attracted' to other males. He is not human though...

Eliss: Here you go Elricest and yes EnvyXEd is somewhat Elricest but it's still hot! One thing I really like since a while is Twincest... Don't hit me!!! My fav twincest couple is one from a video game very known in Japan. (and this pairing is the fav! )

Well, that could just be the form Envy likes. Since Envy is can mold his/her body however, how do we know that's just the form that he/she likes most... Envy might not even have a true form

This is really the form Envy likes the most I think or he shouldn't have chose it and for your other question... :hits her head against computer:

MUST NOT SPOIL! MUST NOT SPOIL! MUST NOT SPOIL!

o_O There's evidence that Envy might be attracted to males? When? If anything I doubt he has any orientation at all; he just likes to see people die and suffer.

Envy isn't really feminine at all ignoring the skirt thing. He's just an uber tempramental homicidal freak.

Yup, there's not really proofs but...Argh! Unfortunatly, Only Arakawa sensei knows that!!

<Maybe a lil bit off topicness<

But do we even know if homunculus can feel other things other than what they're supposed to? (Envy = Jealousy, Gluttony = always angry, Greed = always wants everything...) Greed loves women though and Anime!Wrath feels the need to be loved... Now, I'm confused! XS

<Back on topic<

Yup, Envy loves to see people suffer, that's why I say: RAPE ED!!!! (I'm soooo sadistic v__v)

Kyros: Envy does have a true form but pm me for the story.


Sin, Darling lovly SinLuxuria, I could never hit you. Dante the bitch from fma yes but you..never!

There is one anime (forgot it's name) that has "male" angels but you never see any females. the story line goes that God ripped the angels in half and crashed them to earth. Thus the whole soul mate thing. Angels are both male and female, but in personality only, They physicly are androginus(not male or female).
I like this story because some souls are from Yuri couples, some from Yaoi couples and the rest (and smallest amount) are male/female couples.
It doesn't matter the form, but the soul has to love.

Homunculi can feel, internal feelings are not in the soul, only true emotion is (ie- Heart). The homunculi desires are from when they were human, similar to a memeory transfer kinda thing. Wrath only wants love cuz he's scared. I've seen his situation first hand with other kids, I thankfully was never that bad off.


My mouse is a NAZI! I'll read the link for the fic later, sorry I can not right now.

Oh, SinLuxuria dear, I started a RoyxHuhges story. I'll post it I promise! I almost cried rereading it to edit. I never cry (minus me crying for Elysia).

Loves!

eliss, off hand I don't have more pics, but the HughesRoy group usually has other fanarts that people make from time to time. I'll be sure to post why doujinshi though when it's scanned.

I have seen his true form

Envy's grody looking that way! Someone pm me with how old he was when he orgionly died please. I've been wondering for a while now. Ok sense I knew who envy was but still!

I wrote a HughesXRoy story. Pm me if youw ant a copy, I just need to edit it a little.

Loves!
ps-it's my first Yaoi so bear with me on it. I think it's good, but I think Yugioh is hot so I know I have problems. *smacks forhead* Ok, I finaly said it, I am no longer in denial. I'm going away now....Bye!

Eliss: Aaaah yes, I heard about this anime! I think Kase once talked about it! Thank you for the homunculus theory! I love you so much!

And

[SPOILER]It seems Envy was 18 when he died.[/SPOILER]

The Idea of Riza and Winry together puts a huge smile on my face. Oh baby those two kissing and hugging and stuff. Just makes me a happy teen.

I'm not a teenager anymore, but I have to agree.
The one kissing picture I like with Riza is yuri though.
Riza has her gun to Ed's skull and is kissing him at the same time.
It's from a story.

Oh, Just for you guys! I'll post my Yaoi here if you'd like!
It's short and sweet, It only has a kiss in it....And no Edward (Whoot!)

Sorry, I'm temporaily sick of Ed in Yaoi...Just too over done.
Any Rose Yuris? Just thought about it, if you find one, send me the link please!

Yeah, I know what you mean. Too many people like Ed rape.

As for not being entirely willing, I think that can be attributed to his personality. I think even if he really wanted it, he wouldn't go down without a fight, so to speak.

Al and Ed Yaoi?

got any proof?

Ooooh noooo... Not again!

No, there's no proof Ed and Al love each other in THAT way. This is fan made and just a popular pairing in the hagaren yaoi fandom.

I can sort of see why, they are the easiest to wright together,
they are close, and I read one where Al was still in armor...
It was soo grody! *shakes head saying ew trying to forget*

Fandoms are funny...
yaoi,yuri, elricist, royai, edwin, name it and it's got a fandom.

Some crazy weird person desided it was a great idea to tell me how she liked inuyasha once.
He's cute, if he was real i'd do em, but she was all "OMG! he's sooooCutE! and I just LOVE his ears! he is just so adorable and he's all mine no one else can have him...." I tuned her out at that moment.

This whole "must rape" ed thing is annoying!
for god's sake, if your going to be a petifile, don't tell us!
ok, so i like the under 18 anime charaters crowd but i don't make a perade for it.
Ed raping other people, maybe. (i like the fic i wrote with this, but it changed by the end.I should redo that.)
but people raping Ed because he's uke/uke-like to them is stupid! STOP IT!
*grabs head to keep from going splody*

Ok, sorry. Rape isn't something I like to read about when it's a charater i like.
Wait, that doesn't add up,[spoiler] rose was raped [/spoiler]and i don't like her but i was pissed it happened. ok, i'm going now.

For the Yaoi lovers! here is my link to A Passionate Kiss.
It's hughesxroy. Enjoy!

Heh, discussions are still going strong.

What I've been wondering about though, is why no one has chosen Roy/Al yet? I thought it was pretty popular when I went to scout out Fanfiction.net and livejournal. Not to say I'm a major fan of this pairing, but still. %P


Well~ there was this episode where Al said he missed Ed's touch, feeling his skin, etc. And everybody knows darn well that if Al had been a FEMALE childhood friend of Ed's that would've been considered a valid piece of evidence.

If they had both been female, it would have too.
But i understand the context Al spoke in,
he missed feeling anything and once feeling hollow
it's hard to remember touch of skin, wind in your hair, ect.

Roy and Al? Armor Al or human Al?
Roy and Armor Al = *goes blind* why? I should have looked away.
Roy and young human Al = Roy's a petofile! *dances around*
Roy and older human Al = hm....Me go draw that now!

That's why...too many Al choices!

I read a story (nothing to do with fma) about a guy who looks
somewhat like Ed and his younger brother, the two where cabin mates on a ship and
well it goes from there. It's a sad story realy, the younger one leaves his older breother for a
wife and gets the crap kicked out of him by his brother. So sad....
Hm, Would that ever have happened to Ed and Al? They were
stranded for a month alone. *pictures this* ooh! I go draw now!
loves!

Kase: Yes, I heard about all the RoyXAl thing. I heard it was mostly because of the movie and of some scenes...I didn't see it but I still heard about it. If fanfics are actually based on the serie (when Al is still an armor.), well Al doesn't have as much interaction with Mustang as his brother. Me too, I don't really like this pairing anyway (For the movie, I prefer AlXWrath! ).

And yes, you're right, if it had been a girl saying this, it would have definitly be a hint!

Guest/Eliss: Yes, but I think Al mostly talked about how he missed Ed's touch, the feeling of his skin and such! That's just too cute! That episode warmed my heart (I get sensitive so easlily! ;;)!

Right on!



To some people. But loving someone, no matter what their gender, dosen't always signify that it's 'that' way. A few hints here and there are sweet, and make up the basis for fanon. If Al was a girl and unrelated, then it definitely would be considered less innocent, but the thing is that they are both young, and Al in particular is recalling the intimate relationship they had as siblings in what I consider a purely innocent way. That's one of the things that totally warms my heart.

Alphonse, even in his armor, is a sensual person, I believe, probably even moreso now that his body isn't there any longer, so that love of touch and sensory enjoyment that he might have loved is all mental, and he can only live them out just by saying the things he misses. If he wishes he could feel the sun, or cool grass, the best he can do is to try to at least put the memory of that feeling to words, and thus, the most deeply missed thing, the physical comfort he got from his brother is something he would want to try his best to keep alive.

I don't really support incest; let 'em stay family, at least. (Then again, I'm often one who supports the "let 'em stay friends" philosophy as well. Platonic love can be just as compelling. But friend-to-lover isn't quite the same as family-to-lover.)

*sigh* Why is there no Havoc/Roy love? Seriously, in Japan its popularity is almost on par with Royai but the English fandom gives ti no love. [/b*tch b*tch moan]

Huh, really? It's popular in Japan? XD I thought MustangXEd was ruling there too...I can't believe how much things I would have missed if I hadn't learned english XD; The main yaoi pairings in France are : EnvyXEd (The most popular one, I think), GreedXKimblee, MustangXEd :rollseyes: and Elricest. But Havoc...For the moment, he's only in an EnvyXHavoc (no shape shifting, plz... I hate when Envy changes form to seduce people...It happens so often in doujins. Do people hate his palmtree form so much? ;_;) fic, that is pretty good actually and the thought is nice to me (I love EnvyXAnyone XD). Havoc is cute, poor thing! XD I love the Flame Alchemist episode, really made me laugh.

When I think of HavocXHawkeyeXMustang, it's weird...though I read the last fic you posted on ff.net, Galux, and really liked it; Short and sweet, touching. I love drabbles. Tempted of starting some EnvyXEd, EnvyXWinry or EnvyXEdXWinry ones myself. It's a shame that people on ff.net mostly reviews bad fics ; There's an EnvyXWinry fic, bad written with very short chapters and it has got 90 reviews. And really, don't tell me there isn't any difference between Cut Me Off and Sin High...Do people like fluff so much? Fortunatly, I heard you were getting your fair reward on lj for your writing, Galux.

Because he can. If someone has that power, why on earth wouldn't they exploit it?



>.> Badfic gets so much attention it's sad. For gen writers, it's almost hopeless to get any recognition. (Unless you're YuukiHikari...)

And yeah, Envy/Ed Highschool fics? Good lord. Not only is it shocking that they're so popular, but that they're so awful. Augh. Envy as Ed's cuddlebunny gentle but misunderstood boyfriend and Roy is the abusive, ebil rapist ex-boyfriend. NO! Just... No!

I've been trying to start up my Winry/Martel AU story, but I think I'll need some betas/ other writers to chat logistics with so it dosen't end up like... that tripe.

I'm not against yaoi, but I'm picky, so my choices may be sort of biased compared to others.

The way I see it, it has to make sense. Because of this, it's not hard to believe that I don't read any Ed/Roy or Ed/Al. Especially Envy/Ed. That one sorta creeps me out. o.O

Anyways ... I had a point. I just don't remember it. xP

I like Roy/Hughes and Roy/Havoc. That's about it. I'm not fond of yuri at all.

<.<

>.>

But Lust/Sloth does sound interesting. x3

Going by the number of coupling-specific sites listed on the Hagaren Search sites...

Mustang/Ed does rule there too; it's realy between Roy/Ed and Elricest in Japan. Roy/Ed and Elricest have between about 2500-3500 sites for them. Roy/Riza, Jean/Roy and Maes/Roy have between 1000 and 1500, maybe a little more now. Jean/Riza and Envy/Ed have a few hundred each... Roy/Winry and Roy/Scar have about 6 each XD;;

Those are of course estimates based off stats on FMA fansite listings; a lot of sites do double-list for multiple pairings too.

Haha, don't feel bad or anything XD I think I must be the only one who doesn't think it's weird. I'm glad you liked my fic tho; you're speaking of Storms We Cannot Weather, correct? That or one of my drabble series. Mmm, I'm not really concerned about FFN U_U I just post there to prove I'm not dead, effectively. And you should start writing! I'm not much for judging fics that aren't centric to Roy and his lot, but I could give them a going-over if you want me to, and if you want any concrit.

I don't mind fluff, but a lot of people really cannot do it well. I'm told my strong points are angst and smut XD And I suppose I'm popular... in the sense that my Royai fics get upwards of 30 comments on LJ, my Jean/Roy gets upwards of 20, my Jean/Riza gets upwards of 15 and my polyamory gets about 5 comments... XD But heck, I'm writing what I love; I don't feel like catering to just one pairing. Kinda pushes me out of certain pairing fanbases to write others... but heck, I'm happy writing what I love.

Choosing between Lust/Sloth and Riza/Winry was the hardest choice ever Riza/Winry wins though but still cant they all be toether for the sake of love?

I know that.

But being the EnvyXEd fanfics and doujins reader that I am, it happens way too often and became quite the cliché. Plus, the form Envy takes the most is Mustang's (At least put MustangXEd on the doujin if this is not Envy's usual form, you dumbasses ) and, even though I am neutral when it comes to Mustang, I can't deny he's good looking, but he's no Envy; his relationship with Ed is not the same, etc and I don't want anything reminding me of him in an EnvyXEd doujin, especially if this is a smutty one. And why would Envy take Mustang's form to rape (or attempt rape, since I don't think Ed can be easily raped) or even seduce Ed anyways (Well, I don't know but I think Envy would go for rape, even if it is obvious he's not a sex crazed person. It would be hard to seduce Ed, or maybe he could if he put himself, intentionally or not, in a difficult situation, which would 'maybe' make Ed pity him)? :rollseyes: Following the series, Ed has no crush or love interest.


If you're talking about Good Old School days, then I totally agree with you. This fic had some potential at the beginning, throwing aside the grammar errors, but the characters became quickly OOC. I mean, Dante beating on Envy. WTH? This is an AU and I doubt that Envy, being the prideful bastard he is, would let her beat on him like this without trying to defend himself, even in the actual series, no matter how powerful she is.

And this is actually after Sin High appeared that all these AU fics popped out of nowhere. I read one that was very similar to Sin High, accused the author of plagiarism (Okay, maybe I did go a bit far but there were too much similarities...and don't tell me this is the hasard that almost all these fics are EnvyXEd ones!) and informed the SH authoress of this. She thought she had started a new wave and thought it was cool. I wouldn't call plagiarism 'cool', I'm sorry, especially if this is your own fic that is being copied, but if she is forgiving...

SH is very popular, has got more than 400 reviews and is quite a good fic actually, but this is no Cut Me Off (I'll be mentioning CMO a lot). And when the authoress said that her fic was very similar to CMO (She didn't mention the name but when she described it, it immediatly clicked for me), I sent her a PM with a list of all the differences, without being rude at all, I did this to reassure her and it worked. But yeah, there are indeed similarities, not big ones, but let's take for example the all Greed thing: Why, oh why in the seven hells the authoress chose Greed as the rapist, abusive bastard? Why not Kimblee? Does he look like Mother Teresa compared to Greed? And plus, he appeard for the first time in chapter 13, and in chapter 14, rapes Ed! O_o I instantly thought the sudden mix of angst and fluff was not held properly.

I told her that in one of my reviews (telling her also that she should change and improve some things, IMO. And what is funny is that some other reviewers complained about it and thought I was flaming Do they want me to show them a true flame?) and what did she answer? That Greed raping Ed (or Envy, I don't remember) was a total nosebleed for her...Hum, I don't know for you but I like when both partners are consensual and liking it in a way (Well, okay, rape is one of my kinks, courtesy of lykomancer's fics <o<). Plus, let's not forget rape is a very hard thing to live with for the victim.

I still think this is unfair that SH has got more than 400 reviews when CMO, who is such a deep story with an excellent potential, has got 149 (Yes, this is a lot but still) but I shouldn't be surprised: On ff.net, or maybe in the entire FMA fandom, people are fond of fluff and OOCness and can't take too much angst, so, of course: EnvyXEd ubber in love and ubber fluffy is lurve! /sarcasm/

Oh well, sorry about all this bullshit but I had to get it out of my chest! (Plus, I forgot a lot of things XD)


Hum, yeah, but we must count good arts also! I know that there are like hundred EnvyXEd sites but only four of five have got some pretty good arts XD; It's a shame really because I can't read japanese fics ;_; I once went to a Havoc/Fury one (The only one, I think) and it had excellent arts, along with a Hughes/Roy site. I posted them in the yaoi thread for Toby and NightMistress's birhday, I think.

And if I start writing, I will certainly contact you because I'm scared of my english and I can slide into OOCness easily XD So I'll definitly need criticism, not wanting to end up in fma_spork archives...

Now that I think about it, on ff.net, it's better to have 3 or 4 reviews coming from good authors than 403448 'rabid fangirls-boys' reviews (ZOMG! YOUR FIC IZ SO KOOL! UPDATE PLZ!!!!1one!). Annoying as hell but yeah, lj is better.

I've found lots of Havoc/Roy sites with good art =/ Could just be my bias, tho; a lot of Japanese Havoc/Roy artists love their smut... particularly their bondage smut... ^^;;

From what I've seen, you have better English than the average native writer.

And yup, I'd rather get one or two good reviews from sane fans than 100 from rabit nitwits.

@Lux- I'll admit (With a lot of shame...) that I have been lurking around CMO for a while, even though it's really not the kind of thing I go for. But Greed is a total bastard in that one too, so I don't see what you're whining about. :/ I've been thinking about giving that author some criticism for a few technical points, but I'll agree, it's the only AU I've seen that wasn't ragingly spork-worthy, and it did have quite a few original points to it. It just kind of falters in writing voice her and there, and I think it has a few logistic problems, but for a fifteen year old's work... it's still amazing. (Zomg age discriminatorr!)

I know what you mean about review counts. Like-minded people feed each other, is the best way I can think to describe it.

@Galux- Luckyy. The only fics I've gotten tons of reviews for were a few older humor fics I wrote back in the day. (They're probably 'classics' now if only in relative age to the fandom. XD I feel like an oldie.) I can't really categorize like you do, because I tend to hop from genre to genre and pairing to pairing. My drabbles rarely get attention, sadly, usually one apiece, if that much. (And even when I post them in large collections.) It mostly boils down to

Genfics- 2-10 reviews, depending on how much people like the subject matter. Rosefic is generally not very popular, while Envy-centric or Elric-centric stories are.

Russel/Ed usually has pretty consistent feedback. (10-ish) Mostly because the people in that comm are awesome. <3 (Same with Havoc/Fury since that's a pretty widely liked pairing.)

With yuri I'm lucky to get 3 comments. *Sigh*

I probably get most of my feedback for the fact that I do obscure pairings/ unederrated character stories. Heh, even though I love Roiai madly, I have never written it, maybe because of that. But I've been thinking about going back and doing some Roiai and Edwin just to see if I can.

That's off topic, though.

Good ol' brotherly love...*wink wink* AlxEd gets my vote.


RoyxEd, EnvyxEd, RoyxHughes...


Oh, the shounen-ai goodness. <3

Toby: I don't see how you could be ashamed of reading CMO; it deals with real life stuffs and the smut is good <3! XD Being the beta of the fic, I didn't see anything to change (and I don't think this is a sporkable fic at all) concerning the writing or the characters, their actions, etc, just because, well, it's Envy and Ed's povs. They're both 'normal' teenagers and they talk like teenagers, have teenagers' problems...Concerning the OCs, from my point of view, they're far from being Mary-sue ish or Gary-stue ish; Sole is awesome in a 'twisted' way <3, Sonny is teh b*tch, etc, etc...Well, they are 'normal' also. I'm just a grammar corrector for the moment.

And I'm not whining XD :

Concerning the Greed thing; I still feel that another could have easily taken his place but he's just so...well written, developped, intriguing and all, while the Greed from Sin High just appeared for 'the purpose of rape-angst'. Even Envy's sudden past description was weird and unexpected since, if I remember correctly, in the other chapters, there wasn't any mention of his past being 'that' tragic, so the author didn't have the all Greed thing in mind since the beginning.

Galux: Huuum...Bondage smut! <3 Didn't know it was common for Havoc/Mustang. I once went to a Bradley/Mustang site and bondage was almost everywhere XD;

@ Toby-Chan: That's sad U_U I've read some of your work on FFN and it's good. Sometimes I think I get more reviews on my reputation for smut than my actual skill.

@ SinLuxuria: It's relatively common for Havoc/Mustang... smut is pretty common for Havoc/Mustang, full-stop.
God, that pairing freaks me out XD I think the only way Bradley can get at wibbly!uke!Roy is to rope 'im.

It's not so bad; the reviews I get are generally quality ones, so that makes me happy. And I have fun doing the actual writing; that's what counts. I only recall ever getting one response from you on that Wrath and Sig-centric fic. People do like to lurk while they read and never reply, don't they? (I'm a hypocrite, though. I lurk like nothing else. I almost never comment on anything unless I feel like I'm prepared to divluge a meaningful in depth paragraph plus of review and critique content.)

Ahahaha, smut...
Yeah... I'm not at the proper age or experience level to even try that. >.> I think the whole fandom is happier that I haven't. (It's not only a matter of 'can't' but also one of 'shouldn't'. I have some funny little insecurities and standards about avoiding porny things and all that. Still a momma's girl. )

I voted RoyxEd, all the way man!

Roy/Ed thats just rich