I dunno. Kihaku and Armor-Alchemist... I prefer Aru seme. even though in the anime he's pretty uke. well, i always *did* like the manga better
Aru's seme! he is! XD

I like manga better too... ok, more like, I don't find any elricest hints in either the manga or anime to begin with... (I stink at finding this kinda hints... the only hints I can see are probably EdWin...) so tell me about seme!Al hints in manga and see if I can be convinced then XD (if you watch YGO, there are clearly many YamixYuugi hints and I caught none of them until my friend show me... yay I am slow XD)

But then, armor!al can only be seme, right? @@ (altho I have seen a website with webcomics of EdxArmor!Stone!Al... with Ed licking Al's blood seal and implications of Al's soul being... ok, you get the point ^^;;;;;;;;;; )

some people have quite the imagination, eh? XD Hm.. I actually can't think of anything in the manga off hand right now. But currently an anime scene comes to mind.
It was when Edo and Aru were studying for the exams at Tucker's house. And Aru said "Nii-san! I want to feel you. I want to touch you again!" XD it made me smirk.

If I think of any manga scenes, I'll be sure to tell you

That doesn't make Al seme for sure!

no, it doesn't. but i wanted to bring it up. XD

I think I should bring this up too... I love this line... (I believe that it's an EdxAl hint... is it? XD)

(preview of episode 24) Ed: Even if everyone other than me has forgotten about you... I remember... your voice... your warmth... and your smile... (this line made me cry before I was an EdxAl fan)

*reads the "hint" *

I am not going to bash or anything, but I just want to take this in a logical matter, okay? Don't be offended because I like Elricest somewhat as well. ^^;

Sometimes I think the fans would just take anything as a hint. I see just about everything that the Elric brothers say and do for eachother, is only platonic. Maybe I am just saying this because I have a very close relationship with my sister like these brothers, and I know by far that I would would feel, say, and do the same things that they do in the series if anything like that happened to us. My sister and I already told eachother that.

I find it as only platonic and people take it too far.

*runs and hides* I know people will hate me now...

Er.. I am just sneeking around the forums today. o_O

I would have to agree with Penguin on that, but than again rabid shounen-ai fangirls have to have something to go off of.

For me.. all that anger Ed sends toward Roy is just covered up jealousy because he is such a womanizer. *cough*

Penguin: I didn't said that I took that one as an Elricest hint... I said that I cried over that line BEFORE I was an elricest fan (I watched all 51 episodes, and I still wasn't one until I found some websites and my friend convincing me that it was a good pair >.>)

I never said the same thing to my little brother, but I kind of feel something like that for my little brother too, because he had saved my life a few years ago, if it weren't for him, I would be a goner by now and not flooding forums

bleh i clicked on the wrong button when i voted i swear i need to learn how to read...

*coughs* anyway, im a biiiig yaoi/shounen ai fan wish i could get my hands on more doujins... damn but anyway.... lol i vote for royxed! XD! even though havocxroy is second best to me!

Yeah.. the armour makes it difficult for me to think of Ed/Al....
Um and yes, I don't have anything against the pairing, but I see them as just brothers with a close bond. With FMA I didn't really look for any hints anyway.. although I started thinking just later about them..
Well. I guess that in most pairings even the slightest things are taken as hints and I would be one of those to pick them up I don't think the possibility that it could mean something else can be totally left out.
Especially if they're just "obvious".




Yes, yes. *nods* Like that.

i_heart_roy_mustang:
You mean HavocxRoy? Not the other way round?

oh yeah ^^; i meant royxhavoc XD! my time on the internet was expiring when i posted @.@ stupid timers >.>

btw, anyone seen FMA yaoi doujins for sale? i never seen one yet @.@

Well if I must put an answer...I picked Ed/Roy since they have some connection but then again so does Hughes but he's married so yea.

Voting Others

GD35.CO50.230 Violation

i heart roy mustang:
yeah, that's what I thought
I don't know about doujinshis on sale... there are some scanlated ones on dragonfly...

Lt Riza Hawkeye:
Yup, yup! So right about the connection... and chemistry between Roy and Hughes is pretty possible before him getting married

Edward Elric:
And what do you mean by "other"

Envy/Ed

Is Envy a male or female?

yay! the world needs more shounen-ai fans! l0l. and ebay always has doujin if you lack access to a japanese bookstore. l0l. and there are a few people on the net who do scanlations, even translations into english.

And Edward Elric. as far as Arakawa-sensei and the manga go, Envy being male or female is still up in the air. I always like to think of Envy as just being adrogynos. The anime says otherwise though.

I vote envy and wrath!! LMAO!
That would be terrible!

*tries not to think about it*

<--- this person here has spent many hours of her life looking for doujinshi... yet most she found are RoyxEd ==+ (don't ask me for them, I don't want to waste more bandwidth on that)

However, I found a lot of Roy/Al website... (and that's soooo random ==+)

Why is Ed/Al stuff so hard to find? ;-;

Ed and ROY forever!!

lol yes power to shounen ai! XD i bought a doujin on there once (heh got a gravi remix :3) but i got caught having it so... yeah no ordering for me *eyes twinkle* if u could send me a site with scans i would love you forever

Hai. I love everyone who helps me to sites with doujins/ scans/translations/scanlations. I don't have enough yet ^^ Please PM or MAIL them to me, i'll put you in a thank-you list ^^

/me is planning to make a site full of links to anime/manga/doujin ^^

I voted Other.

Havoc/Fury, Ed/Russel, and Winry/Shezka are where it's at, yo.

Riza/Winry just dosen't make a lot of sense to me. (Random thought) I don't think they'd work out very well. (She'd be much cuter and more compatable with Shezka-san, imo)

I'm thinkin' maybe Pride/Greed or maybe a King/Scar would be a possibilety.... not saying a good one, but still possible.

Blah!! I doubt that would ever happen??( I have never heard of homosexual brothers!!!!!!!!!)

Steel Alchemist: you meants elricest? o_O That's quite popular actually... (seeing Al x Ed is usually on top 5 of most poll websites with Ed x Al ... quite far behind it but still within top 10)

Roy x Ed is just a overrated Top 1. *fleesssss*

I agree. I just don't get RoyEd at all. Now HughesRoy is another story. That pairing is growing on me (though for the most part, yaoi isn't my thing).

To each, his own.

I don't get HughesRoy in sense of when the series is taking place, but I still enjoy reading the coupling and what-not. <3

For RoyEd, I don't personally understand what it so confusing about it. I do believe that it is overrated and repetitive at times, but I don't see how it could be exactly, and definiatly, impossible.

If HughesRoy doesn't work in the sense of the series taking place, then can you explain to me why RoyEd shouldn't be so confusing in that same sense?

I don't see either really working in an official sense. I say I don't get RoyEd mostly because I don't like that pair but also, because I didn't pick up on the undertones that way.

*grins* i like Riza/Winry *points to the Gaiden 5* i wonder the true reason why they both took on a feature fo the other *grins evil*

I don't see why not, huh? XD

I can understand why people may fend away from the fact that it could be insanenly impossible for Roy and Ed to ever get together because, in people's eyes, the first thing they are going to point out is that they are male. That is it wrong because of their age difference. They are in the military, and because of the above taboos, it could never happen.

Well, things like those taboos, they happen. Even in a military situation. In fact, they happend a lot more frequently than what we think.

Now, now that that is aside, let's look at the main thing.

Ed and Roy seem to have this relationship where people instantly think that, well, they hate eachother. Instantly, people block off the idea of them even touching eachother when it comes down to this fact. However, the two actually have a mutual trust for one another. Ed repects Roy's goals, god forbid he ever admits it, but he does. Roy is almost like a guardian to Ed, and if worst came to worse, he would always be there for him. The whole series, the colonel has done many things that has helped Ed, even though his intentions may have been for himself, it was also for Ed.

Which brings this up; without eachother, they probably wouldn't be where they are now.

Personally, Ed sees Roy as a father figure, and in some ways, that would explain his distaste for him. However, with that brewing in the child's mind, he would go to Roy in times of need. He knows Roy more than most, he respects him, and Roy certainly does enjoy his little time he does get to talk to him. Anything can develop from that. Please, do correct me if I am wrong, but things can develop from a friendship like in Roy's and Hughes' case, so why couldn't anything happen between Roy and Ed?

They don't hate eachother, they respect one another and have a mutual friendship. I have seen so many people that seem to despise eachother hook up, while friends that get together end up hating one another. People will experiment with people they trust, after all.

As to the why of the pairing. Hm. I guess... it's because of how they interact - lots of sparks, high emotions on Ed's part and Roy does enjoy baiting Ed. Now put them in a close relationship and watch 'em snark at each other. Actually, you know what? I think part of the attraction of the pairing is because it wouldn't be easy, wouldn't be expected - like so much of FMA it would be going into a taboo area, or areas. Only here, instead of human transmutation, it's m/m relationships, military..ah, word... fraternization, that's it, older/younger couples - you can angst with this pairing until the cows come home, and at the same time you can still give it that humour and edge that's so addictive in FMA because it's Ed and Roy and there is no way that they'd ever be a boring couple.

And I have quoted that some many times. XD

Now, nothing is impossible. I can see where RoyEd wouldn't happen, but hell, that goes for every couple in Hagaren too. Het, yaoi, yuri, and all the works. When you actually take a good look into a couple, you can actually find some possibilites. All the couples have a slight happening in them, but just because people don't like it sometimes, they instantly label it as absurb. That just sounds biased and contradictal, to me.

It's all a matter of opinion, though. I don't expect anyone to go along with that I say. I enjoy all the couplings I can find, so it's no big deal. It just gets annoying when the coupling of RoyEd is always bashed. XD

Thanks for the explanation. Still doesn't work for me, but now I finally see where the RoyEd fans are coming from. I just personally always saw those two as having more of an older brother, younger brother type of relationship than anything else because of many of the things you pointed out in the first half of your post(which is the exact same reason why I don't even think of EdAl and still wouldn't if Al were a girl). I see Roy as the big brother who pisses off and annoys his little brother, yet still protects him and is there for him in his own way. That's one reason why *I* don't link them romantically. And yeah, the age thing is another big reason why I don't go for it. But as you said, to each their own.

You say that they seem to despise each other and you've seen people that hated each other get together. Well sure, I have too. But I've also seen them go from hating each other to pretty much liking each other as friends as well (happened with me and my very best friend who's like a sister to me).

You asked that if something could develop from Hughes and Roy's relationship, then why couldn't it for Roy and Ed. Well, that's pretty much what I asked you in reverse in my previous post because you made it sound as if HughesRoy couldn't happen in the series in your pre-previous post.

The couplings all depend on what personal angle you have of the situation pretty much. RoyEd fans have an angle that leads one place and my angle leads somewhere else that makes RoyEd much more far fetched than HughesRoy.

I didn't know that RoyEd was bashed so much becacuse it seems to have lots of supporters (based on this poll and ff.net). And saying you don't like, or understand a coupling doesn't equal bashing to me if that's what you're getting at with my opinion on it.

I'm not a fan of Elricest myself, but I clearly can see it happen and I enjoy the coupling sometimes, even if my sister and I have a very close sisterly bond that mirrors the brother's own. However, when it comes down to it, Roy and Ed aren't brothers, so I don't see what would stop them. It's almost like saying, "well, I see them as this and this, so that means they wouldn't ever get together because they are exactly what I think of them as, and they feel that way too." No, I am not bashing your opinion and you can greatly feel that way, but there have been cases where some people truly do act like that to the extreme. I hope that didn't come off as bitchy. Slap me if it did, okay? XD

I guess the age difference doesn't bother me all that well since I have some relatives that are very distant and age that are married in stuff. I am one of those people that are annoying and say, "Love is love. Love doesn't mean race, age, gender, blah, blah, blah...". Annoying, huh? =3

Also, I never said RoyHughes wouldn't happen, I only said I don't get it as much as I do other couples. I can see it happening and enjoy viewing the couple, but there isn't much to work with in the series because Hughes is married. On the other hand, Ed and Roy are both single and all. *snort* I'm a nerd, sorry.

No, no, no. I never said you were bashing RoyEd, love. I meant that this couple is the most bashed. Believe me, I've seen so many bashings for it in communties and everything that it has made me roll over dead. I never said anything against you. You're cool. <3

RoyEd does have a lot of supporters, even if a lot of them are those annoying fangirls. I will admit, that half of the fanfiction and fans themselves are annoying and they make the whole fandom for it look dumb. Uhn. Sometimes I wonder if they are just in it because they think Roy and Ed are both... "hot", as they say, instead of the actual depthing complications, interactions, angst, and everythings that would come from that relationship. *slaps forehead*

... I'm rambling, and you probably want to slap me by now for it. Whoops. XDD

I get what you're saying now. No need to slap . I'm not suprised that there are absolute fanatics about it though. I'm pretty new to the FMA game (only finished it in February), so i haven't seen all there is out there. At the end of the day, people forget that it's just anime. And you're absolutely right. Roy and Ed aren't brothers, but when I think about me and my bff, I never ever think about her in a romantic sense because I see her as a sister. But once again, that's just my angle of things. Sometimes best friends do become more though I suppose.

I think that if Ed were 18 I probably wouldn't even think about it. Then again, he did have to grow up pretty fast considering all the crap he's been going through.



I said that EXACT same thing practically verbatim about it when I first saw all of the RoyEd support. But now after reading your post, I see that some people think there is more to it than that.

Anyways, thanks again for the insight!

Roy/Ed, in my honest opinion, is silly. But then again, practically every fandom has at least one major yaoi couple that's for the most part, the product of giggling fangirls thinking 'omg! Two guyz makin' out is hott! They fight, so they must love eachother' (Eg: Kyou/Yuki, Furuba, or Seto/Jou, YGO)
And I'm generally not all too picky about my pairings. Roy/Ed is occasionally pallatable, but I consider it senseless, gratuitous, and overrated on most occasions.

Young!Hughes/Young!Roy, on the other hand, makes a lick of sense to me. I'm as big of a Hughes/Gracia, and Roy/Riza fan as they come, however, I've come to accept, and even somewhat support the possibilities of it existing. I can't think of much to say to justify it, save that 'it just works'.

I'm not sure why I even consider those pairings. It's odd, since for the most part, I value friendship over romance a hundred fold. (Maybe why I love Utena so much) It couldn't be personal relation. Friendships I make with either gender can be very very close, but I wouldn't consider turning it romantic.
And with Elricest, it simply bothers me to think that there are so many interpretations of their relationship as such. They have a deep, profound, platonic love, and that's so beautiful in itself, that to make it of a romantic or sexual nature just spoils it. In any fictional medium, their love as brothers is by far the most compelling and tragic love I've ever seen, and I can relate to it (I'm close with my family) so to see it interpreted to be something else just bugs me.

ITA!! That's pretty much exactly how it is for me too. I love how devoted of a husband and dad Hughes was and I love Roy/Riza (it will almost always be preferred), but gah I just can't shake Young!Hughes/Young!Roy.

*runs around in circles* ROYED! *trips and falls over* @-@ Ouchies. I'm a real big yaoi fan, didn't take me long to pick them out once I'd gotten to know both a bit better.

Don't they say argueing is a sign people like each other?

...boy, doesn't that apply to just about every couple you can think of...

*will keep all her comments to herself from now on... can't beat RoyxEd lol*

just curious... any RoyxAl (uhh, shounen-ai way, not yaoi o_O;; ) here o_O;; I am not fond of that but I bumped onto so much RoyxAl sites recently and I still can't get a sense in that even after scratching my brain out...

or, dunno if we can talk ethics here... but what's wrong with incest in general, other than the genetic problems the offspring may get? Chinese and Japanese culture do accept cousins marriage (not brother/sister incest tho) yet I notice that the Western culture does not accept it... why? All adults would tell you that "cuz it's wrong! O_O" but... why is it wrong then (if I continue to bug my mom about it she may think I am in love in my little brother so I stopped bugging her, lol) so, I don't see a different between brother/sister, cousin/cousin and close childhood friends getting together... other than the first being blood related... all of the above 3 are well, growing up together so the relationship/time spent/whatever they went through between each other is similar...

I am open to just about any pairing that can be concocted, so long as it is developed and explored reasonably well, ne?

I do happen to be a huge Roy/Ed pairing (or Ed/Roy if you use the listing as seme/uke). But, then again, I'm a huge fangirl of just about any yaoi pairing for any manga/anime out there. My aabsolute favorite pairing? Sesshoumaru and Naraku from Inuyasha with Roy and Ed a close second to them.

And I am a huge fan of Ed/Al pairings... (looks to left) but then again, I like the whole incest thing... I used to be called a "sick <censored for the kiddies>" but so many out there agree with me that my name is no longer sick <censored for the kiddies> regarding the pairings I enjoy... (shrugs) That is just me.

I'm ranting, i know it, but hey...

Ummm... * thinks* well theres a whole lot think about here im currently OBESSED with Ed/Al ( elricest) yea i know thats sick but i dont care i think its cute! HAHA! i also Like Roy/Ed.. this one reminds of Jou/Seto from ygo pair (i know that im doing a crossover and im sorrrY!) its because Ed and Roy seem to be on a Rival or friend? kind of thing but i really like about them and well Ed/Envy is like rival.. Enemy pair that makes its EVEN cuter hehe (im insane i know heh)

Yeah. I suppose. I don't think AlxEd would be good. I mean Al is a suit of armor.

So, What? Am I the only one who would like a to see a Brad pairing?

...

Am I even the only one who likes the Fuhur?

*goes and sulks*

armor-alchemist:

I don't see anything wrong with incest, really. However, only because of my very tight sibling bond I share with my sister, it just makes it hard for me to see incest because I know where the Elric brothers are coming from, and that it is only platonic. I do enjoy Elricest, mind you, but I prefer the love they share in the way it was meant to be. That's what makes it beautiful. Elricest is good and I am a sucker for it, but to me, their love is already played out enough and I want something more fresh and interesting, something that deals with development in itself. It's still good though, I'll give it that. One of my favorites.

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Now, off of that, I do believe that half the time, the fans of RoyEd make is silly and unbelievable. Sometimes I wonder why I even stick around in this pairing and just want to switch to a new favorite, and hell, there was a time when I actually did switch.

Let's just think about this for a moment. Couplings that we read about and everything, well, nothing is canon in the series as-of-yet. So, in all do respect, doesn't that make every fanfic, doujinshi, and pictures sort of silly? Yes, they may have more possibilty than most others, but nothing is right for the time being. Honestly, if you enjoy it, leave it up to you.

When I read and view RoyEd, in a way, it doesn't matter if it doesn't make as much sense as the other couplings do. I don't think it does for anyone who reads a coupling they like. RoyEd does have some possibilities within it and it could happen, but that isn't why I like it. I like that coupling because it's very interesting. It deals with topics that are very diverse and deep ( EX; pedophilia and the dark feelings against yourself that come along with it, homosexuality, positions in the military, conflicts on how you feel about that person ). There have been too many fanfics of RoyEd that have kept me captured in the pairing because it's just too.. too.. well, it's intoxicating and deep. How they act around one another, how hard their relationship would, how difficult it would actually be for them to get together, and everything. Plus, it's rather funny having them interact. I do believe that this is the only couple that has made me laugh, cry, smile, get ingrossed, feel sad, angry, and everything and that is why I keep coming back to it.

To me, I'd rather be stuck to a core-deep and interesting couple that totally engrosses me that had almost zero possibility, than like a couple that is dull, boring, cliche, and repetitive which is canon.

That's just me, though. :/

The RoyxEd pairing just seems like it would work out perfectly. Roy only picks on Ed because its so easy, and Ed (whether he would evr admit it or not) respects the colonel.

The dialogue in most Roy/Ed fanfictions is priceless.

...I think it would be funny to see RizaxWinry. Now I am a girl, not some guy trying to imagine lesbians making out. I just think it would be interesting. Winry has a very carefree and wild spirit while Riza is so uptight and stern, what would happen if they mixed. Anyone got a fanfic on this?
*laughs*
Sorry, just trying to imagine Riza kissing Winry.

Hughes' Glasses x Fuhrer's Eyepatch is where it's really at.

Penguin: I dunno... in a sense, I share a tight bond with my little brother too (if he never existed, I would have been dead 7 years ago because of some disease... so in a sense, his blood mixed in with mine.) and of course I don't see him as lover because of the mental age difference and all... but I am as addicted to Ed/Al as I can be that even with 5 onlines friends around me that are into Roy/Ed or Ed/Roy and have been constantly convincing me that that pairing is better... and well, I understand where the possibilities are but I just can't bring myself to even like that pairing (altho I do find some gag fanfic really funny... but if it's all romatic/fluffy/chessy, I stop reading right away being grossed out ^^; )

I guess sometimes personal preferences are hard to change... (maybe cuz I just, really dislike pedophilia pairings because of some past reason... there are many kidnappers around my area.... well actually, anywhere >.>)

Or maybe because Roiai is the pairing that caught me right away when I started watching Hagaren xD

armor-alchemist:

Hey, I didn't say you couldn't still like Elricest, even if you have a tight sibling bond. Anyone can and I am not stopping them, but I just said that I have a hard time seeing it because of my sibling bond. I like to keep the Elrics' love platonic because it makes it more beautiful. That's all. I even like Elricest, but not to the point of liking it as much as RoyEd.

Of course, it is only personal opinion. You think Elricest is better; I think RoyEd is better. There was a point of time where I used to loathe RoyEd and never accept it, actually. However, it has become my OTP and I have even tried just about every yaoi pairing there is to Hagaren-- RoyEd, to me, is a lot more deep and involved than the others. It has more variety, more spice. Not to be harsh, but I found Elricest sort of repetitive and got dull, quickly. It didn't have many varities coming along with it. I like it, but it wasn't as good as others. ( Also; read my above post about why I like RoyEd so much. It doesn't deal with possibilities, hardly. ))

That is just my opinion. And naturally, RoyEd isn't exactly... pedophilia, when you think about it. It's just a large age difference because pedophilia is, well, a different subject. It doesn't deal with love. ( I am merely correcting myself. )

Royai; Hn. This coupling would be one of my favorite het coulpings from this show if it wasn't so cliche, somehow. It is rather dull sometimes, too. Just my thoughts. XD

But hey, no one is trying to convert anyone. I like the diversity.

EDIT:

I also don't get where you are coming from. When you ask why incest is so wrong and have someone come up with a better explanation than "it's just wrong", and everything, it all becomes contradictal when you claim how RoyEd is wrong. If love is love no matter in even incest, why shouldn't it be the same for age difference? It isn't pedophilia [ which deals with someone being sexually attracted to very young boys that haven't hit puberty ], it's just a large age difference that would be involved with the two men, Roy and Ed. It is a lot more subtle than incest, really. So, it does make it contradict when you defend a subject like incest, but degrade an age difference that is seen in RoyEd.

Just an observation. If I must be shot down with banter, then so be be it. My eyebrow just cocked at my view/realization on this. Please correct me in anyway if you may. I may just be getting the wrong message from you. :]