Full Version: How Would You Categorize the Elrics' Race?
Oy...Pretty much German, English, and such...
yeah, i'd say german because of the other al being german...
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Roy and Marcho definatly has the Asain thing going on.
Perhaps Roy is based on the Eastern European? Or perhaps he is part of the Alpine racial subgrouping (found in Southern Germany). Alpines are usually characterized as having dark hair, dark eyes, and a round head structure. Roy`s head is particulary round when compared people such as Havoc or Hughes who have more of a Nordic head structure.
i think pretty much there are a lot of races in there. most of the charcters are euroopean looking, but as said, roy and izumi are eastern looking, then there's the ishbalites, who are middle-eastern looking. I think pretty much they're just based off of the races in our world.
I am going with (4) because if you think about it Hoenhime and his children are the only characters in the whole series that have gold colored eyes, insted more natural colors. I just seems to me like they are from a race that is now (for reasons known in the Anime) long gone.
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When Ed goes across the gate he winds up in London.[/spoiler]
o__o no it wasent.
[spoiler] He was in germany. Hence the zepplins and how in 51 he goes to germany again, for his father is there.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]It's London. The storyline for that episode follows the actual events of WWI in London on September 2, 1916. In the preview narration of the previous ep, Al says something like, "On September 2, 1916 AD, 16 demons appeared in the sky over London." That's a reference to the 16 zeppelins that took part in that air raid, the largest Germany staged during the war. It was also the first time that British aircraft were able to shoot down a zeppelin--which in the show, is the one that kills AlterEd. (Out of curiosity--how slow/dumb do you have to be to get hit by a falling zeppelin?!)
Another thing: although Ed ends up in London when he goes through the gate, there's nothing that actually says that the old city underneath Central is also London. At first I thought it was London, but then somebody else pointed out that the anime never explicitly says that. Also, the next time he jumps, not only is he in Munich, but 5 years have passed in our world while only 2 or 3 have passed in the FMA world. So it's possible he jumped back to London and then he and his dad traveled to Germany, but that still doesn't explain the time descrepancy. So I think that when Ed goes through the gate, where and when he turns up is pure chance.[/spoiler]
Personally, I think it's Britain because they write in English and Britain is also mentioned on Tucker's military profile and the invoice that Ed sends to Mustang. But another theory I came up with is that Central is where Rome is today, and that Amestris is Italy. I came up with this theory over in the Location of FMA thread, but I'll post it again.
[spoiler]The reasoning I'm going with here is that the city underneath Central could be Rome. We know that Christianity is a dead religion in the FMA world, and when Ed and Izumi are in Dante's place, Izumi says the date on Hohenheim's letter to Dante is 400 years ago, back when the AD dating system was still used. Also, Russell tells Ed that the underground city disappeared "four centuries ago". Well, if the date in FMA at that point is 1916 or thereabouts, then 400 years earlier would be 1516, which would predate Martin Luther's 95 Theses and the beginning of the Protestant Reformation by exactly one year. So if we're pre-Luther, than Christianity is still centered in the Vatican, so the destruction of Rome by Dante and Hohenheim could destroy the tenets of Christianity overnight. That would explain the death of Christianity in the FMA world pretty neatly.[/spoiler]
The architecture of the government buildings in Central also looks vaguely Roman. And, if Amestris is Italy, than Aquroya could easily be Venice.
Some more circumstantial evidence is that although there are references to lots of European nations and cultures in the series, all of the references that have to do with the metaphysics of alchemy and the gate are references to Dante, the medieval Italian poet, and his Inferno. The gate is an allusion to Rodin's sculpture The Gates of Hell, which was inspired by Dante's Inferno. Dante also writes of capital sins in The Inferno, and although they don't correspond exactly to the seven deadly sins, Dante is often credited for spreading the concept. Also, Ed and Al's mom's name, Trisha, can be short for Beatrice, which was a character in Dante's Inferno that represented purity and guided Dante through hell to paradise.
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Wouldn't it make sense for the character named after an Italian poet to destroy an Italian city? Also, in Episode 38, they reference Dante and Rodin again. When Ed and Al have their alchemy brawl, Ed yells at Al, "Why don't you think it over, Al" and uses alchemy to force Al into the pose of The Thinker, another Rodin sculpture which is supposed to be represent Dante thinking in front of the Gate.[/spoiler]
I think they don't have an actual existing race, but they're based on the German race.
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They're supposed to be either German or English. I mean, not that those countries exist in the FMA world, but that's what the creator based those character designs off of.
~Merc
I agree.
Seconded.
Third
I voted a hybrid of white and something. Is it just me, or does everyone have either blond or black hair? That doesn't seem normal to me. That and Ed's eye color seems a bit strange to me, having a bit of yellow to them.
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Is it just me, or does everyone have either blond or black hair?
Envy's hair is green and Schezka's is brown...
Definitely Anglo-Saxon.
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I am going with (4) because if you think about it Hoenhime and his children are the only characters in the whole series that have gold colored eyes, insted more natural colors. I just seems to me like they are from a race that is now (for reasons known in the Anime) long gone.
I have gold colered eyes and I'm of German descent...
I would have to say that they're probably both German and English because Trisha looks more English to me and Hoenheim looks very German. The shape of Al's face also looks German while Ed's looks more English (Al's face is longer and blockier (is that a word?) than Ed's is). Of course, Elric is a German name, but does anyone know Trisha's maiden name? That would say a lot about their race... maybe...
Lior- IshbalxAmestris, that we know. They are the closest relatives to the Ishbalan, or so we've been told in the manga.
Xing- Based on Ancient China. In the FMA Profiles Book, Alchemy section, it says ancient Chinese also sought immortality. Also, it was specifically stated in an interview that 'Xing was based on ancient China'. I'll post the evidence when I find/remember it.
Amestris- Seems to be based on caucasians, but are not quite caucasian. As someone mentioned, Blond and Ebony hair is the most common hair color (The homonculi don't count!!). Brunettes seem to be rarer, contrary to real life. Blond hair color is recessive to darker hair in real life, but in the world of FMA, it seems to be Yellow > Brown < Black in terms of hair color.
Ishbal- A race by itself- who has red eyes in real life? Although the clothes and the action of 'bowing' in front of people that are of higher status than yourself seems to come from somewhere in Middle East.
Eye Color and Skin Genetics of Ishvalans Not much is known about skin genetics, as the boy that rescued Scar after he was attacked by Gluttony posessed medium skin and red eyes (his older brother had medium skin and red eyes too), because his mother was Ishvalan and his father was -well it's not revealed, but from his skin color, let's assume he's Amestrian- Amestrian. However, Miles' skin and eye color was that of the Ishvalans, although only his Grandfather was Ishvalan. He is a 'mix of many cultures', so he probably has more than Amestrian and Ishvalan blood in his veins. So if he has Lior blood too, then it would explain why the boy that rescued Scar (forgot his name. will be back later) had pretty light (medium) skin and red eyes, while Miles had dark skin and red eyes.
Red eyes- Has complete dominance over other eye color
Dark skin- Incomplete dominance over white skin color.
The boy is our key. It could be that the boy's skin was a mix of dark and white, so it came out in a intermediate color (although it's still suppposed to be pretty dark), and Miles' parent was a mix of Ishvalan x ? so s/he had intermediate skin with red eyes (because red eyes are dominant). That parent had Miles with (probably) a person from Lior. So it was Dark eyes x Red eyes (Red shows up, which explains Miles' eye color) and Dark skin x Intermediate skin (so it would be pretty dark, very close to Ishvalans') which explains why Ed thought Miles was Ishvalan.
The Golden Eye color and Hair of the Elrics (Well, except for Trisha) Here's what we know. Hohenheim had golden eyes. Trisha had slate gray/green eyes. Ed has golden eyes. Al has mix of Hoho and Trisha's eyes. If Al had golden eyes too, then it could be assumed that the golden eye color was dominant, but it looks like a mix of the two colors, which signifies incomplete dominance or codominance.
Quick Bio Lesson
In the case of incomplete dominance, the two traits mix (Red flower x White flower=Pink flower), but in codominance, the two traits do not mix, but they still show up(White birdxBlack bird=Bird that has white feathers with black tips). Complete dominance is, of course, the trait that trumps the other trait completely, every time (Brown rabbitxWhite rabbit=Brown rabbit).
Even if Al has flecks of slate grey/green and gold in his eyes, it would look like a mix of the two colors from far away. Either way, it seems Ed got a lot of Hohenheim's physical charactaristics, while Al got something like half/half,since his hair and eyes are a mix of his parents' color. Golden hair/eyes from HohoxBrown hair/Slate grey/green eyes from Trisha=Al's Golden brown hair/Golden grey eyes.
The Psylogical Makeup of the Brothers It would seem that Ed not only got Hoho papa's physical attributes, but his psylogical traits, too. In the manga, vol.11, Hohenheim thinks, He's exactly like me when I was his age. That could mean that Hoho thinks Ed looks like him, or he thinks like him. Since Hohenheim said it right after Ed had his little 'episode', I took it to mean that Hoho thought he acted like Ed when he was younger. Of course, he could have meant both things. On the other side, even though Al got almost 50/50 physical traits from Trisha and Hohenheim, his temperment seems to be more like Trisha's. She was (from the little that we know of her) gentle, caring and thoughtful. I would say Al is much of those things...
So this is basically my analysis. *Phew* Will be back later.
EDIT: Hawkeye-Does She Have Ishvalan Blood? This has been discussed several times, and now that I think about it, if Hawkeye's grandparent was an Ishvalan, that would explain her eye color and why her skin is light! (Read skin color and eye color genetics of Ishvalrans)
Xing- Based on Ancient China. In the FMA Profiles Book, Alchemy section, it says ancient Chinese also sought immortality. Also, it was specifically stated in an interview that 'Xing was based on ancient China'. I'll post the evidence when I find/remember it.
Amestris- Seems to be based on caucasians, but are not quite caucasian. As someone mentioned, Blond and Ebony hair is the most common hair color (The homonculi don't count!!). Brunettes seem to be rarer, contrary to real life. Blond hair color is recessive to darker hair in real life, but in the world of FMA, it seems to be Yellow > Brown < Black in terms of hair color.
Ishbal- A race by itself- who has red eyes in real life? Although the clothes and the action of 'bowing' in front of people that are of higher status than yourself seems to come from somewhere in Middle East.
Eye Color and Skin Genetics of Ishvalans Not much is known about skin genetics, as the boy that rescued Scar after he was attacked by Gluttony posessed medium skin and red eyes (his older brother had medium skin and red eyes too), because his mother was Ishvalan and his father was -well it's not revealed, but from his skin color, let's assume he's Amestrian- Amestrian. However, Miles' skin and eye color was that of the Ishvalans, although only his Grandfather was Ishvalan. He is a 'mix of many cultures', so he probably has more than Amestrian and Ishvalan blood in his veins. So if he has Lior blood too, then it would explain why the boy that rescued Scar (forgot his name. will be back later) had pretty light (medium) skin and red eyes, while Miles had dark skin and red eyes.
Red eyes- Has complete dominance over other eye color
Dark skin- Incomplete dominance over white skin color.
The boy is our key. It could be that the boy's skin was a mix of dark and white, so it came out in a intermediate color (although it's still suppposed to be pretty dark), and Miles' parent was a mix of Ishvalan x ? so s/he had intermediate skin with red eyes (because red eyes are dominant). That parent had Miles with (probably) a person from Lior. So it was Dark eyes x Red eyes (Red shows up, which explains Miles' eye color) and Dark skin x Intermediate skin (so it would be pretty dark, very close to Ishvalans') which explains why Ed thought Miles was Ishvalan.
The Golden Eye color and Hair of the Elrics (Well, except for Trisha) Here's what we know. Hohenheim had golden eyes. Trisha had slate gray/green eyes. Ed has golden eyes. Al has mix of Hoho and Trisha's eyes. If Al had golden eyes too, then it could be assumed that the golden eye color was dominant, but it looks like a mix of the two colors, which signifies incomplete dominance or codominance.
Quick Bio Lesson
In the case of incomplete dominance, the two traits mix (Red flower x White flower=Pink flower), but in codominance, the two traits do not mix, but they still show up(White birdxBlack bird=Bird that has white feathers with black tips). Complete dominance is, of course, the trait that trumps the other trait completely, every time (Brown rabbitxWhite rabbit=Brown rabbit).
Even if Al has flecks of slate grey/green and gold in his eyes, it would look like a mix of the two colors from far away. Either way, it seems Ed got a lot of Hohenheim's physical charactaristics, while Al got something like half/half,since his hair and eyes are a mix of his parents' color. Golden hair/eyes from HohoxBrown hair/Slate grey/green eyes from Trisha=Al's Golden brown hair/Golden grey eyes.
The Psylogical Makeup of the Brothers It would seem that Ed not only got Hoho papa's physical attributes, but his psylogical traits, too. In the manga, vol.11, Hohenheim thinks, He's exactly like me when I was his age. That could mean that Hoho thinks Ed looks like him, or he thinks like him. Since Hohenheim said it right after Ed had his little 'episode', I took it to mean that Hoho thought he acted like Ed when he was younger. Of course, he could have meant both things. On the other side, even though Al got almost 50/50 physical traits from Trisha and Hohenheim, his temperment seems to be more like Trisha's. She was (from the little that we know of her) gentle, caring and thoughtful. I would say Al is much of those things...
So this is basically my analysis. *Phew* Will be back later.
EDIT: Hawkeye-Does She Have Ishvalan Blood? This has been discussed several times, and now that I think about it, if Hawkeye's grandparent was an Ishvalan, that would explain her eye color and why her skin is light! (Read skin color and eye color genetics of Ishvalrans)
^ whoa, complicated. anyways i think they don't belong to any existing race.
No existing race. If they HAVE to be based of some kind off heritage, I would say the Caucasian-looking characters are English. (The Elrics, Rockbells, military, etc.)
Gold isn't even a real eye color...
Gold isn't even a real eye color...
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Lior- IshbalxAmestris, that we know. They are the closest relatives to the Ishbalan, or so we've been told in the manga.
Xing- Based on Ancient China. In the FMA Profiles Book, Alchemy section, it says ancient Chinese also sought immortality. Also, it was specifically stated in an interview that 'Xing was based on ancient China'. I'll post the evidence when I find/remember it.
Amestris- Seems to be based on caucasians, but are not quite caucasian. As someone mentioned, Blond and Ebony hair is the most common hair color (The homonculi don't count!!). Brunettes seem to be rarer, contrary to real life. Blond hair color is recessive to darker hair in real life, but in the world of FMA, it seems to be Yellow > Brown < Black in terms of hair color.
Ishbal- A race by itself- who has red eyes in real life? Although the clothes and the action of 'bowing' in front of people that are of higher status than yourself seems to come from somewhere in Middle East.
Eye Color and Skin Genetics of Ishvalans Not much is known about skin genetics, as the boy that rescued Scar after he was attacked by Gluttony posessed medium skin and red eyes (his older brother had medium skin and red eyes too), because his mother was Ishvalan and his father was -well it's not revealed, but from his skin color, let's assume he's Amestrian- Amestrian. However, Miles' skin and eye color was that of the Ishvalans, although only his Grandfather was Ishvalan. He is a 'mix of many cultures', so he probably has more than Amestrian and Ishvalan blood in his veins. So if he has Lior blood too, then it would explain why the boy that rescued Scar (forgot his name. will be back later) had pretty light (medium) skin and red eyes, while Miles had dark skin and red eyes.
Red eyes- Has complete dominance over other eye color
Dark skin- Incomplete dominance over white skin color.
The boy is our key. It could be that the boy's skin was a mix of dark and white, so it came out in a intermediate color (although it's still suppposed to be pretty dark), and Miles' parent was a mix of Ishvalan x ? so s/he had intermediate skin with red eyes (because red eyes are dominant). That parent had Miles with (probably) a person from Lior. So it was Dark eyes x Red eyes (Red shows up, which explains Miles' eye color) and Dark skin x Intermediate skin (so it would be pretty dark, very close to Ishvalans') which explains why Ed thought Miles was Ishvalan.
The Golden Eye color and Hair of the Elrics (Well, except for Trisha) Here's what we know. Hohenheim had golden eyes. Trisha had slate gray/green eyes. Ed has golden eyes. Al has mix of Hoho and Trisha's eyes. If Al had golden eyes too, then it could be assumed that the golden eye color was dominant, but it looks like a mix of the two colors, which signifies incomplete dominance or codominance.
Quick Bio Lesson
In the case of incomplete dominance, the two traits mix (Red flower x White flower=Pink flower), but in codominance, the two traits do not mix, but they still show up(White birdxBlack bird=Bird that has white feathers with black tips). Complete dominance is, of course, the trait that trumps the other trait completely, every time (Brown rabbitxWhite rabbit=Brown rabbit).
Even if Al has flecks of slate grey/green and gold in his eyes, it would look like a mix of the two colors from far away. Either way, it seems Ed got a lot of Hohenheim's physical charactaristics, while Al got something like half/half,since his hair and eyes are a mix of his parents' color. Golden hair/eyes from HohoxBrown hair/Slate grey/green eyes from Trisha=Al's Golden brown hair/Golden grey eyes.
The Psylogical Makeup of the Brothers It would seem that Ed not only got Hoho papa's physical attributes, but his psylogical traits, too. In the manga, vol.11, Hohenheim thinks, He's exactly like me when I was his age. That could mean that Hoho thinks Ed looks like him, or he thinks like him. Since Hohenheim said it right after Ed had his little 'episode', I took it to mean that Hoho thought he acted like Ed when he was younger. Of course, he could have meant both things. On the other side, even though Al got almost 50/50 physical traits from Trisha and Hohenheim, his temperment seems to be more like Trisha's. She was (from the little that we know of her) gentle, caring and thoughtful. I would say Al is much of those things...
So this is basically my analysis. *Phew* Will be back later.
EDIT: Hawkeye-Does She Have Ishvalan Blood? This has been discussed several times, and now that I think about it, if Hawkeye's grandparent was an Ishvalan, that would explain her eye color and why her skin is light!
Xing- Based on Ancient China. In the FMA Profiles Book, Alchemy section, it says ancient Chinese also sought immortality. Also, it was specifically stated in an interview that 'Xing was based on ancient China'. I'll post the evidence when I find/remember it.
Amestris- Seems to be based on caucasians, but are not quite caucasian. As someone mentioned, Blond and Ebony hair is the most common hair color (The homonculi don't count!!). Brunettes seem to be rarer, contrary to real life. Blond hair color is recessive to darker hair in real life, but in the world of FMA, it seems to be Yellow > Brown < Black in terms of hair color.
Ishbal- A race by itself- who has red eyes in real life? Although the clothes and the action of 'bowing' in front of people that are of higher status than yourself seems to come from somewhere in Middle East.
Eye Color and Skin Genetics of Ishvalans Not much is known about skin genetics, as the boy that rescued Scar after he was attacked by Gluttony posessed medium skin and red eyes (his older brother had medium skin and red eyes too), because his mother was Ishvalan and his father was -well it's not revealed, but from his skin color, let's assume he's Amestrian- Amestrian. However, Miles' skin and eye color was that of the Ishvalans, although only his Grandfather was Ishvalan. He is a 'mix of many cultures', so he probably has more than Amestrian and Ishvalan blood in his veins. So if he has Lior blood too, then it would explain why the boy that rescued Scar (forgot his name. will be back later) had pretty light (medium) skin and red eyes, while Miles had dark skin and red eyes.
Red eyes- Has complete dominance over other eye color
Dark skin- Incomplete dominance over white skin color.
The boy is our key. It could be that the boy's skin was a mix of dark and white, so it came out in a intermediate color (although it's still suppposed to be pretty dark), and Miles' parent was a mix of Ishvalan x ? so s/he had intermediate skin with red eyes (because red eyes are dominant). That parent had Miles with (probably) a person from Lior. So it was Dark eyes x Red eyes (Red shows up, which explains Miles' eye color) and Dark skin x Intermediate skin (so it would be pretty dark, very close to Ishvalans') which explains why Ed thought Miles was Ishvalan.
The Golden Eye color and Hair of the Elrics (Well, except for Trisha) Here's what we know. Hohenheim had golden eyes. Trisha had slate gray/green eyes. Ed has golden eyes. Al has mix of Hoho and Trisha's eyes. If Al had golden eyes too, then it could be assumed that the golden eye color was dominant, but it looks like a mix of the two colors, which signifies incomplete dominance or codominance.
Quick Bio Lesson
In the case of incomplete dominance, the two traits mix (Red flower x White flower=Pink flower), but in codominance, the two traits do not mix, but they still show up(White birdxBlack bird=Bird that has white feathers with black tips). Complete dominance is, of course, the trait that trumps the other trait completely, every time (Brown rabbitxWhite rabbit=Brown rabbit).
Even if Al has flecks of slate grey/green and gold in his eyes, it would look like a mix of the two colors from far away. Either way, it seems Ed got a lot of Hohenheim's physical charactaristics, while Al got something like half/half,since his hair and eyes are a mix of his parents' color. Golden hair/eyes from HohoxBrown hair/Slate grey/green eyes from Trisha=Al's Golden brown hair/Golden grey eyes.
The Psylogical Makeup of the Brothers It would seem that Ed not only got Hoho papa's physical attributes, but his psylogical traits, too. In the manga, vol.11, Hohenheim thinks, He's exactly like me when I was his age. That could mean that Hoho thinks Ed looks like him, or he thinks like him. Since Hohenheim said it right after Ed had his little 'episode', I took it to mean that Hoho thought he acted like Ed when he was younger. Of course, he could have meant both things. On the other side, even though Al got almost 50/50 physical traits from Trisha and Hohenheim, his temperment seems to be more like Trisha's. She was (from the little that we know of her) gentle, caring and thoughtful. I would say Al is much of those things...
So this is basically my analysis. *Phew* Will be back later.
EDIT: Hawkeye-Does She Have Ishvalan Blood? This has been discussed several times, and now that I think about it, if Hawkeye's grandparent was an Ishvalan, that would explain her eye color and why her skin is light!
OMG i always wondered about that!!!! So Liza might have Ishvaran blood after all
!!!! Thx ehxhfdl14!!
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So Liza might have Ishvaran blood after all
She doesn't have red eyes, white hair and she doesn't have dark skin.It's a completely unfounded theory...
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They're black. Stereotypical, late 90's/early 00's black gangsta's from the USA to be precise.
Automail = Teh bling
Al refers to Ed only as "Brotha"
Ed mistreats his No, Winry.
They don't like the man who be keeping them down (Roy)
Automail = Teh bling
Al refers to Ed only as "Brotha"
Ed mistreats his No, Winry.
They don't like the man who be keeping them down (Roy)
*Cough*
Everyone, please keep the discussion to Ed's race which is the topic of this thread.
I'd like to avoid this thread going into Riza's race discussions, which is another topic entirely.
@Popo - "Automail = Teh bling" XDDD
*gets shot by an Ed fan* >.<
Everyone, please keep the discussion to Ed's race which is the topic of this thread.
I'd like to avoid this thread going into Riza's race discussions, which is another topic entirely.
@Popo - "Automail = Teh bling" XDDD
*gets shot by an Ed fan* >.<
But gotta big up my bro Popo, respect 
I can't really think of to class them as any race other than European. Blonde hair is traditionally English and German (two nations mentioned before) and alter-Ed was an English boy...but really it could be a few Northern European countries they came from.
I can't really think of to class them as any race other than European. Blonde hair is traditionally English and German (two nations mentioned before) and alter-Ed was an English boy...but really it could be a few Northern European countries they came from.
In Arakawa's FullMetal, eyeshape seems to have little to do with one's ethnicity. Look at Mei. Her eyes are big and round, and she's obviously supposed to be FullMetal equivelant of Asian.
I think Ed and Al are German. I think Amestris itself is meant to be "Germany". Besides, "Risembool" was a really bad translation-- it was probably supposed to be "Lisenburg". Think about it. If you do the L/R switch and pronounce it like they might over in Japan, it turns out kinda like "Leesemboor". Yep. Yep.
I think Ed and Al are German. I think Amestris itself is meant to be "Germany". Besides, "Risembool" was a really bad translation-- it was probably supposed to be "Lisenburg". Think about it. If you do the L/R switch and pronounce it like they might over in Japan, it turns out kinda like "Leesemboor". Yep. Yep.
Like I've said before, much as the cities in FMA could be German, you wouldn't find an equivilant Lior in Germany. I think they use all of Europe.
TO support Chi's statement,
There are European countries essence in FMA such as
-Churches
-Steam Trains
-Stew
-Poker Cards
There are European countries essence in FMA such as
-Churches
-Steam Trains
-Stew
-Poker Cards
To tell you the truth, I think I think it's all mixed. Basically, it's all a mix of many, many different race, obviously, if we can't even figure one race there. There's European, German, ect. It all mixes together.
Ishbal, on the other hand, seems like a completely made-up race. After all, FMA is fictional.
Ishbal, on the other hand, seems like a completely made-up race. After all, FMA is fictional.
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To tell you the truth, I think I think it's all mixed. Basically, it's all a mix of many, many different race, obviously, if we can't even figure one race there. There's European, German, ect. It all mixes together.
But Europe is many different races, there's is usually just a divide between North and South, people in the North are generally paler and people in the South are darker (obvious really). Like you say its only really Ishval that pose confusion as they are fairly unique (fairly as in the eyes cause confusion mostly)
Obviously there'd be a little bit of Japanese culture tossed in there, because Arakawa is more or less obligated to "tip her hat", per say, to her Japanese audience. (...such as Al's "cheerleading" Japanese-flag fans.) Not only that, but she's Japanese herself.
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Obviously there'd be a little bit of Japanese culture tossed in there, because Arakawa is more or less obligated to "tip her hat", per say, to her Japanese audience. (...such as Al's "cheerleading" Japanese-flag fans.) Not only that, but she's Japanese herself.
You are kidding me? She's Japanese?!
*sorry, couldn't resist*
And yes there is the odd sign of the Japanese in there, but not within their actual race.
The other day my friend at school was talking about how German some FMA characters look, especially Winry, because she has blue eyes and very blonde hair. I guess it's an easy assumption to make.
Yet there are a lot of anime characters that don't look Japanese. Look at Fruits Basket!!
Yet there are a lot of anime characters that don't look Japanese. Look at Fruits Basket!!
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The other day my friend at school was talking about how German some FMA characters look, especially Winry, because she has blue eyes and very blonde hair. I guess it's an easy assumption to make.
Aryan =/= German...
Blond and blue eyes are more associated with the Swedish is you ask almost anyone from Europe.
And the true English-types are blonde haired and blue eyed, thanks to much invasions
well most Anime characters all look the same except for the hair and eyes color, but some today's advanced illustration of characters makes some differences in facial features of characters.
I would classify Winry as someone from Britain/holand/German ect.
Edawrd and hoehnheim would half holand and half Asian...I think
Alphonse's human form is to me unidentified. (brown hair and yellow eyes???)
I would classify Winry as someone from Britain/holand/German ect.
Edawrd and hoehnheim would half holand and half Asian...I think
Alphonse's human form is to me unidentified. (brown hair and yellow eyes???)
They look European then. How's that? 
i've always thought of them as being english or german.
Three words buddy,
1.WHITE
2.WHITE
3.WHITE
Sorry fan girls but you can still use your imagination XD
1.WHITE
2.WHITE
3.WHITE
Sorry fan girls but you can still use your imagination XD
well alot of people have blonde hair and they are all white (cept scar.....)
i think the are Germans (or of German ancestry)
i think the are Germans (or of German ancestry)
i reckon they are aryan (sp?), they have blond hair blue eyes live in a country where ishbalans were exterminated, ishbalans = jews, state alchemists = nazis and Bradley = Hitler. I think they are german.
He's Amestrian. They might have different terms when it comes to Race..
I think they are mix of different European. Actually more of Northen and Western European.
Ishvalians are much like mideast people because of their skin color and religion.
Xing's prototype is China without any doubts.
Lior looks like Europe-ized mideast culture. Maybe Turkish, I think.
Ishvalians are much like mideast people because of their skin color and religion.
Xing's prototype is China without any doubts.
Lior looks like Europe-ized mideast culture. Maybe Turkish, I think.
About the whole thing with London...
I don't think the gate automatically brings you to the other world equilvalent of your country. I feel Ed just went to London because his alter was there and it was an easy body for him to transfer into temporaily. Now if we were to consider England the alternate of Amestris just because Ed's alter was there, what about Al, Hughes, Gracia, and all those other alters, being in Germany? The gate just seems to bring you to where you subconciously desire to go (i.e. Edward to the other Edward's body) or drops you down at total and complete random or to where the gate is opened on the other side.
I hold firm that Amestris is some sort of Nazi Germany parallel. The use of Fuhrer for their leader's title, the human experimenting, the annihilation of other races...so on. However, I simply think Amestris took over more areas around it than Germany did (even before King Bradley came into power), resulting in it assimilating a lot of varied people.
Plus I'd like to add that the northern country (Drachma or something isn't it?) may be a parallel of Russia. This is just speculating as I don't read enough of the manga to really be sure but judging by what someone was telling me about her prediction for war to break out between the two countries....I dunno, the fact that they have a treaty yet aren't on greatest terms with war a possibilty reminds of the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggreesion Pact. >3> Buttttt.....that's just me, so ignore me if you don't agree.
Anyways, Ishbal is most probably Palestine, I agree with that. Too many parallels there too. Roy and Izumi HAVE to have Asian in them, I mean come on!
Immigration from Xing and other 'Asian' countries could've been very possible in Amestris. >>
And someone said they're a little too pale to be Asian? I kinda agree with this; Izumi, it's obviously because of her health issues. For Roy tho, I don't think he's that pale really. Close ups show that he doesn't have any lighter skin than the rest of the cast, but with his black hair and eyes, and dark military uniform, he probably only looks pale on first glance.
I don't think the gate automatically brings you to the other world equilvalent of your country. I feel Ed just went to London because his alter was there and it was an easy body for him to transfer into temporaily. Now if we were to consider England the alternate of Amestris just because Ed's alter was there, what about Al, Hughes, Gracia, and all those other alters, being in Germany? The gate just seems to bring you to where you subconciously desire to go (i.e. Edward to the other Edward's body) or drops you down at total and complete random or to where the gate is opened on the other side.
I hold firm that Amestris is some sort of Nazi Germany parallel. The use of Fuhrer for their leader's title, the human experimenting, the annihilation of other races...so on. However, I simply think Amestris took over more areas around it than Germany did (even before King Bradley came into power), resulting in it assimilating a lot of varied people.
Plus I'd like to add that the northern country (Drachma or something isn't it?) may be a parallel of Russia. This is just speculating as I don't read enough of the manga to really be sure but judging by what someone was telling me about her prediction for war to break out between the two countries....I dunno, the fact that they have a treaty yet aren't on greatest terms with war a possibilty reminds of the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggreesion Pact. >3> Buttttt.....that's just me, so ignore me if you don't agree.
Anyways, Ishbal is most probably Palestine, I agree with that. Too many parallels there too. Roy and Izumi HAVE to have Asian in them, I mean come on!
Immigration from Xing and other 'Asian' countries could've been very possible in Amestris. >>And someone said they're a little too pale to be Asian? I kinda agree with this; Izumi, it's obviously because of her health issues. For Roy tho, I don't think he's that pale really. Close ups show that he doesn't have any lighter skin than the rest of the cast, but with his black hair and eyes, and dark military uniform, he probably only looks pale on first glance.
QUOTE(Fushigi Rockna @ Jul 24 2007, 10:07 PM) 
Anyways, Ishbal is most probably Palestine, I agree with that. Too many parallels there too. Roy and Izumi HAVE to have Asian in them, I mean come on! ph34r.gif Immigration from Xing and other 'Asian' countries could've been very possible in Amestris. >>
And someone said they're a little too pale to be Asian? I kinda agree with this; Izumi, it's obviously because of her health issues. For Roy tho, I don't think he's that pale really. Close ups show that he doesn't have any lighter skin than the rest of the cast, but with his black hair and eyes, and dark military uniform, he probably only looks pale on first glance.
And someone said they're a little too pale to be Asian? I kinda agree with this; Izumi, it's obviously because of her health issues. For Roy tho, I don't think he's that pale really. Close ups show that he doesn't have any lighter skin than the rest of the cast, but with his black hair and eyes, and dark military uniform, he probably only looks pale on first glance.
Just why everyone thinks that Roy and Izumi belong to one of pure races. Their ancestors could be from different countries. It's not obligatory everybody from Amestrian has the same race and there are no hybrids. I mean in our world there are mestizoes, mulattoes etc.
QUOTE(Fushigi Rockna @ Jul 24 2007, 01:07 PM)
And someone said they're a little too pale to be Asian? I kinda agree with this; Izumi, it's obviously because of her health issues. For Roy tho, I don't think he's that pale really. Close ups show that he doesn't have any lighter skin than the rest of the cast, but with his black hair and eyes, and dark military uniform, he probably only looks pale on first glance.
@Fushigi Rockna - Just for your information, some Asians, especially in Northern part of Asia, for example, I think, some in Northern China, some in Northern Japan, etc., have so-called "snow white" skins. Not all Asians are in one skin color. They range from pale to very dark.
Also, I agree with Evileo and others about the possibility of them being mixed races.
Agree with Tombow. If I remember correctly, the North Indians are rather fair-skinned too.
But I always associated Amestris with Europe, Ishbal and/or Lior with the Middle East, and Xing with Asia. But that's just me...
But I always associated Amestris with Europe, Ishbal and/or Lior with the Middle East, and Xing with Asia. But that's just me...
QUOTE(Evileo @ Jul 25 2007, 09:26 AM)
Just why everyone thinks that Roy and Izumi belong to one of pure races. Their ancestors could be from different countries. It's not obligatory everybody from Amestrian has the same race and there are no hybrids. I mean in our world there are mestizoes, mulattoes etc.
I never said they belonged to pure races. O_o If you're referring to when I said 'immigration from Xing was possible' I meant as in their ancestors or someone more recently in their bloodline could've immigrated, not that they themselves immigrated. (if that is of course what you were tthinking I meant) For crying out loud, I just said earlier in my post that Amestris probably assimilated many different peoples over the ages, and with assimilation mixing pretty much always happens a result, especially over a long period of time.
(or I could be very wrong in my interpretation of your post, I just know for a fact I didn't say anything about them not being hybrids or there not being hybrids in Amestris)
QUOTE(Tombow @ Jul 25 2007, 10:15 AM)
@Fushigi Rockna - Just for your information, some Asians, especially in Northern part of Asia, for example, I think, some in Northern China, some in Northern Japan, etc., have so-called "snow white" skins. Not all Asians are in one skin color. They range from pale to very dark.
See, I figured that, I mean I've met some darker skinned asians before and seen pictures of fair skinned ones. But I just wanted to point out that Roy isn't pale at all and just appears that way in contrast to his hair and dark clothing, like the person who brought the pale thing up was saying. =/
@Fushigi Rockna: Thanks for explaining. Now I see what you meant about immigration and completely agree with you.
Now I see what you meant about immigration and completely agree with you.
Ahh, that's good now that that's been cleared. ^^ Guess I should've been clearer with what I meant in the original post. :3;I actually, in my fanfics, usually always go with the theory that it was Roy's great grandmother who immigrated from Xing or some country similar to Xing that's beyond it, and her genes are dominant (black eyes are usually just really dark brown eyes, and the brown allele is dominant over all others, for example. I think black hair is a dominant allele too...I'll have to check) hence they show up often even a few generations later. I read one fic once tho where the person wrote that Roy's mother was his father's Xingian mistress. XDDDD I thought that theory was good too.
Hmmm I've also been thinking about this and i believe they would be either English or German. If not definatly white because they weren't racially abused or anything like that in the movie when Ed was in germany. If Ed was asian or some other race then he proberly wouldnt have been allowed to like hassle-free because of the revolution Germany was experiencing at the time. Also Heidrich was german and asides from a slight change in hair colour and a different eye colour he was supposed to be the spitting image of Al which would imply that he was white.
But hey I'm not even gonna try to get into all the points about language barriers because thats something that could never be explained XD
But hey I'm not even gonna try to get into all the points about language barriers because thats something that could never be explained XD
Caucasian definitely. And I think they're of german ancestry. Though Edward is a very British name, but Alphonse isnt a british name. Alphonse is kinda germanic name I guess.
caucasion, amestrias is based on early 20th/late 19th century westan europe, and features such as the hair colour as well as the skin colour isn't present in other races
oh bdw^ alphonse is a french name
oh bdw^ alphonse is a french name
Well, Edward is British name, Alphonse is French name, van Hohenheim is Dutch/German name. Well, great multi-culture family 
since Amestrias is a country in a parallel to westan europe, considering how its boarded by many countries, it's likely there would be a lot of influance from many cultures, as Amestrias was built up
half english and greece(xerxes thing) and with japanese style
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