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jacksparrow589
iAmjelly--No, you're making perfect sense! At least, to me. I'd like to think, though, as you were saying, that it's not so much "I can't live without you" just absolutely blind devotion as it is, "whatever we face, we face it together." Yes, the shock of someone you love that much dying might make you want to die, but were it of natural causes (old age or something) and not suddenly during a mission (Roy vs Lust, for example) or in a situation like 94/95, I'd like to think that whoever was left behind would be able to go on. Even then, in 94/95, I don't think it's completely that Riza couldn't live without Roy, but rather, because she would have "let" or "forced" him to fail in achieving his dream, she couldn't live with herself. That's my two bits, anyway.

RadicalDreamer--As much as I disliked Olivier, I thought Roy's flirting with her was absolutely hilarious. Maybe it's that I'm a youngest sibling, but I tend to think he did that because he knew it would annoy her.

As to how much time has passed in the manga: I'm not an official source, so don't quote me for sure on this, but I think Ed's around 14/15 at the beginning of the manga (as in, in Liore) and 16/17 by the time the Promised Day rolls around. Tack on the 2(?) more years after that and at the very end, I think at least 4-ish years have passed. By my estimations that'd make Roy early to mid 30's at the very end, and Riza in her late 20's or early 30's.
RoyxRizaFan
I perfectly agree with everything RadicalDreamer and AMJelly are saying, too (sorry if I made it sound like I thought it was impossible for there to be a pair any more similar than M/S...they're just what I personally see as the most similar but there are definitely tons of other pairs that reminds me of RoyAi, like the ones mentioned such as NCIS and Castle)

What you guys said that Roy and Riza's relationship is so much deeper I definitely understand. While in X-Files it could often be unspoken, sometimes they DID have to tell one another, or in NCIS, they would beat around the bush and date other people (like now tonight's show lol) without understanding thouroughly how much the other person relies on them. Scully would do rash things to make Mulder jealous, Chuck and Sarah would go back and forth continuously, Sawyer kept flirting with Kate in front of Juliet....it goes on. But Roy and Riza never had to go out of their way and say, "hey, you know I love you" or "hey, you know I trust you." They just would. You knew it threw her eye signal, when he heard the difference in her voice on the phone, in the fact that she unwavernigly commited her life to him, only pulling a gun to SAVE him, and that he allowed her the priveledge to do so, trusting her with his most precious dream and his very existance...

Not to mention their development. It's something TV (or any other manga) has ever shown. The way they built their trust from going through everything together, and you just know that they began and will end as one, together, always, and would never betray one another - to never have to question anything beyond 'will they ever become 100% canon' because we knew they loved one another and couldn't live without one another is something I haven't seen anywhere but in this relationship. The maturity and depth of it is unparalleled, in my opinion. It's something that even we can't always put into words, because it's above and beyond them, simply because Arakawa constructed it from understanding rather than statements, and implications rather than answers.

Roy and Riza make me think more than any other pairing, because even though we understand the dynamics of their relationship and the grounded fundamentals of it, we can always wonder, "What else? What does this mean?" Usually, romance in stories numbs your mind rather than stimulates it - and although other pairings such as Mulder/Scully strongly remind me of RoyAi-traits, what makes RoyAi RoyAi is unmatched...
...All in all I love it...and agree XD
Turdaewen
About the age thing, Arakawa has stated in the omakes that, by the time of chapter 44/45, Roy has turned 30. And, from that to the end of the series, it would be about 1 year, 1 year and a half later (not much more than that), which means Roy would be around 30-31 at the Promised Day and around 32-33 by the epilogue...
Riza, in the other hand, its younger than Roy, but not that much younger, since it's clear from the manga she has joined the Military Academy shortly after Roy's graduation at the Academy, which would make her about 3 years younger than Roy and, therefore, she was around 27-28 at the Promised Day and about 29-30 at the epilogue...

About Roy and Riza's relationship, I've never pictured it as your normal "are they/aren't they" sort of couple, cause, for me, it was always pretty clear that they are a couple, and if they are declared about it or not makes little difference in terms of the story... (honestly, it's not something that concerns me much).
In fact, I always think a sort of discussion about whether they are cannon or not is pointless. Me, myself have very little doubt about Arakawa's intentions in that sense... For me, its the discussions of "are they/aren't they" that were 'invented' by the fans, and not the couple (the doubts of the fans seem to me a lot more of a 'western cultural way of thinking' than a real 'point of discussion' put up by the author in the series)

I'm actually a little tired of those type of couples, btw, cause they were so 'in fashion' in the 90's (much due to the X-Files, in fact), so, I pretty much got tired of them, cause that was EVERYWHERE when I was growing up. My entire childhood and teens were embedded of that stuff.
So, the fact that I like about Royai is exactly because the "trustfulness" of their relationship is not exactly explored in the series to the point of exaustion... it's like Arakawa was saying: "who has the eyes to see it, will see it". Which is very interesting for me due to its truthfulness to what happens in real life. It's not an artificial sort of environment and dialogues, and it sounds SO like something Arakawa usually does that makes me love her even more. (I really have no idea why I have such a 'similar way of thinking' to Arakawa, but she always surprises me into making things that make 'perfect sense' to me).

And about Roy and him being a flirter, I always wondered about that. Roy's personality just puzzles me. And, the closer that I got to an answer is to say that Roy likes to play. You get to see such a different side of him when he's being serious that I realize he just likes to 'pretend' he's something else to see how people will react to it. He has fun doing so! So, he teases Edward 'cause he thinks it's fun to see how Edward takes everything seriously and freak out about everything. He likes to flirt with women simply because he knows it won't get nowhere and he might leave the girl embarrassed... he's your classic Teaser. So, it doesn't bother me AT ALL to see him being flirteous with the women he is cause it's so obvious he's not taking it seriously!
Moreover, it's also a way to keep people away from really getting to know him. Not in a Fanfic/angsty sense of "I'm a secludded/timid man who's unsure of himself', but in the sense that he has realized that's what he needs to do in order to survive!

He's a 30 year old Colonel, an extremely powerful and envied man, who has many enemies, working in the Military AND wanting to over throne the Military!! He cannot afford people knowing "what he's all about" or he won't be able to it. Simple as that. WE have to that in work, sometimes, and Roy is just the same: we can't be that open in life into saying to people who are not close to you what you think and feel all the time. You just can't.

Just the same, Roy could NEVER approach Olivier and say "come and be my ally". He has to pretend to be a scoundrel who can't see a piece of skirt to do it. The part with Madeline, for example, is a perfect scene to show that.

At least that's the way I understood it. lol
yadi ina
Wow, I just read everything you write and have good reason. They are a couple that goes beyond all these simplicities of romance in the stories pink, so I guess everything that happened in the past can not afford something like "be happy together" have to expiate guilt and therefore must meet their objectives before considering to maintain an open relationship. However, in one episode where Roy goes to the bar of Madame Christmas, he tells him that Elizabeth-chan went with another man and the girls in the bar say "they have a chance then. " To me that seems, at least, Madame Christmas knows there is something between them.

In terms of age, I guess in the end, Roy is about 33-35 years and Riza between 29 and 31, remember that Riza is about 4 years younger than Roy
Turdaewen
QUOTE (yadi ina @ Apr 6 2011, 06:31 AM) *
Wow, I just read everything you write and have good reason. They are a couple that goes beyond all these simplicities of romance in the stories pink, so I guess everything that happened in the past can not afford something like "be happy together" have to expiate guilt and therefore must meet their objectives before considering to maintain an open relationship. However, in one episode where Roy goes to the bar of Madame Christmas, he tells him that Elizabeth-chan went with another man and the girls in the bar say "they have a chance then. " To me that seems, at least, Madame Christmas knows there is something between them.

In terms of age, I guess in the end, Roy is about 33-35 years and Riza between 29 and 31, remember that Riza is about 4 years younger than Roy

No, actually, Riza is probably not that much younger than Roy. She's aboout 2 to 3 years younger... Hardly more than that.

Consider this: in 1905, when Master Hawkeye passed away, Roy was 20 and Riza "just finished school". Roy was JUST out of Military Academy (probably only a few days/weeks after graduation), which means that the Aspirants to the Amestrian Military (like most real life military) probably graduated at the age of 20.
3 years later, at Ishval (1908 was the year of the Extermination) Roy was 23 and Riza was in her "last year of Academy", which means she was 20 or very close to turning 20.
That also means that, between 1905 and 1908, Riza joined in the Academy, went through all the course and was about to graduate, which makes the period of Military Academy is between 2 and 3 years.

That means that, in an period of 2 to 3 years, Riza was at the same 'position' that Roy was when her father died (just fresh out of Academy, or, in her case, about to be). We know she was not "only" in her senior year during Ishval but also know she was very close to graduating 'cause, shortly after Ishval, she was allocated to work with Roy (who had just being assigned). Which makes Riza around 17 when her father died.

So, if Riza was about 20 in 1908 (considering that people usually graduate at the Military Academy in a determinated age, since everyone also JOINS the Academy at the same age), and around 17 in 1905, that makes her 3 years younger than Roy...


People could say "But Roy was a State Alchemists and State alchemists can join the military at any age, look at Ed." Yes and No.
Yes, State Alchemists can join the military at any age. Militaries that join through the Military Academy don't.
And Roy was not a State Alchemist by 1905: he joined the Military in the regular regiments. He only could take the test to State Alchemists AFTER the death of Master Hawkeye, because, before it, he didn't have the secret to Flame Alchemy. So, basicly, he went through the same process that Riza, Havoc, Breda and Fuery went through when they joined.
jacksparrow589
Turdaewen--While I'd certainly never gone through and thought about it like you wrote it, it always seemed to me like the age gap between them couldn't be more than 2 or 3 years, but I've been totally chewed out by people (not anyone here--on fanfiction.net) who've said otherwise. I'm glad to have something to refer back to now. smile.gif
iAmjelly
Guys. I hope this isn't too off topic (it still relates to Royai) but guys - in regards to Royai fic, I've been keeping up with this one fic on fanfiction.net and it's kind of amazing because Roy and Riza are married but in character - and it's not one of those peaceful, happily-ever-after fics too - there's some real stuff going down that bodes horribly for everyone involved and it's so wonderful that I had to pimp it here.

Brilliancy by Lady Norbert.

It's the sequel to her other fic Flowers of Antimony - which still has Royai in it and you might want to read that first anyway but has anyone else on here read it?

And while we're at it, for discussion's sake what's your favourtie Royai fic of all time and why? As in, this isn't a call for just pimping, it has to really be your all time favourite.
jacksparrow589
My all-time favorite, huh? I know I've said this somewhere else on this thread, but my all-time favorite is Ruby Throat by hmmingbird. It doesn't say it's complete, but it hasn't been updated in a few years, so what you see is what you get.

I don't think it's particularly OOC (bear in mind that it was written before a lot of FMA was officially translated), but it does contain some pretty heavy stuff that I'm not entirely sure would actually happen. (Nothing terribly explicit, as it's rated T, but there is a fair bit of heavily-implied abuse.) It's incredibly beautifully written, and worth the read.
FirstMoon
Fanfiction? I can't tell the best because there are a bunch of good fics out here.And I read generally pre-manga and one-shot fics I don't know if this can answer the question.

I started to read ffs after Hot Chocolate by jellyjay,maybe you guys remember that I recommended it also in here.
So yeah,this one is special for me.(A pre-manga fic about Roy's apprentice days under Hawkeye-sensei,his attempts to being friends with Riza.Recently they're BFFs tough,ugh,readitreadit)

Also Origins by LilDemonWarrior (a pre-manga again so shockinggg) and Lost Love by CapitalD are also good.I heard CapitalD started another fic but I haven't got time to read it.

Oh oh how can I forget Shadowlight by Lady Norbert ? I haven't seen an IC proposal fic like this.When I finished reading I was like "It feels so Arakawaish I can't even..."

More than one fic,I'm sorry rolleyes.gif
Turdaewen
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Apr 6 2011, 12:01 PM) *
Turdaewen--While I'd certainly never gone through and thought about it like you wrote it, it always seemed to me like the age gap between them couldn't be more than 2 or 3 years, but I've been totally chewed out by people (not anyone here--on fanfiction.net) who've said otherwise. I'm glad to have something to refer back to now. smile.gif

Yeah! I also remembered another thing about that: In that omake where Arakawa's assistents were complaining about Riza's hips being too big (O.O go figure!), she answers "The Lt. is not that young, anymore.", so I guess we can be pretty sure to say she is at least in the second half of her 20's... Not that Yadi ina said she was THAT young but, as you said, I've even see people saying Riza was around 23, 24...


About the fanfics, I like so many of them... but I tend to prefer the more mature ones and the ones that fall on the "M" category... not necessarily the lemon ones, but I prefer the ones with more serious content... I'll have to think to name some, actually. lol
yadi ina
You say I'm hard to convince, but I read somewhere that Hiromu Arakawa Riza officially designate the age of 25 years of age, when Roy was 29. In my opinion, makes sense because taking into account the time he stands in history, basic education should be the high school, about Riza would have between 15 and 16 to the death of his father.

"What's your favourtie Royai fic of all time and why?
Wow, it is very difficult for me to decide, I read the fandom Latin, English and French, so I can not have a single favorite. But put a small list.
Fandom Latino
Colegas for Angerulegna. In duality, features scenes from past and present at the headquarters of the East, Roy and Riza, and an OC quite interesting and that upsets the lives of both in both periods. Very good narrative, and if you read it (who knows Spanish) stay to the point of tears of emotion when reading Chapter 7, "Bien." Warning: The last chapter contains lemon.

Angerulegna also, No me olvides. A brief explanation of Riza cold behavior based on the first video game for PS2.

English Fandom
Checkmate. In fact, many of Yellow mask, but for now, I remember that deal, I read them again. I remember most of this, discusses Roy Riza's position as a hostage. This fic goes along with the fic A Nice, Honest Girl

French Fandom:
I honestly remember very little of this, because it gives me my original language easier, but one that followed was almost complete in French: Honesty. The other was a pretty good songfic, but I do not remember the title. Anyway, this fic about everything the manga showing scenes behind the scenes and with a baby involved
jacksparrow589
yadi ina--I thought Arakawa said she tries to pin down as little personal detail (like birthdays and such) as she can, and I know I've never seen any official info on Riza's age, despite having done pretty extensive searching. (Which is not to say none exists--It's certainly possible, if not entirely specific.) And Yellow Mask's fanfics are awesome, I agree. smile.gif

As to the idea that basic education includes high school, I certainly agree, but that would, by my estimate, make Riza 17 at the very youngest when she completed it.

This is a pretty good debate we've got going, here! I think I'm going to go do a bit of digging and see what I can find out.
Turdaewen
Nah, I don't think you're "hard to convince", Yadi ina! ^^ in fact, I think it's a lot better to have someone who won't change their opinions easy than someone who will change it over and over again every time someone says something.


Well, me, personally, I've never heard of anything about Arakawa making any ages of FMA official except from the ones that we already know from the manga (Ed, Al, Winry, Roy/Hughes...). Of course it's not impossible, but I haven't see anything in regards to that in any of the Guidebooks (none of the guidebooks released so far said anything about it), nor in any of the interviews...

And, as jacksparrow589 said, what we can be sure of is that Arakawa says she doesn't usually like to define personal things of the characters, like Bday and such unless when it strictly affects the story itself, which is not the case. She's not the one to compromise herself with something that makes no direct difference to the series for the cost of her being trapped later on.

I've heard all sorts of things being said in regards to bday and age in the FMA fandom, like people affirming that "Arakawa said this" or that "she has confirmed Roy's bday to be on September 25th" and similar... but most of them, are completely rubbish and, usually, don't even "sound" like something Arakawa would say to begin with... They usually something like "she said in an interview" but they never name the magazine it appears on, or point out any translations or sources of any kind.

So, as we said down at the FMA Wikia: without proper confirmation, we cannot affirm anything. And, especially me, who has a FMA portal and info site, I cannot afford to do that.
I wish these "security measures" were unnecessary and that people would not "make up stories" just to mess with the fandom's head, but, unfortunately, that's far from reality.


So, yeah, I'm in the same position as jacksparrow589 on this one: it is possible, though not probable that what you've heard about it would be true.

If it is true, I would be surprised, since it's extremely rare for an official information about FMA (especially something like the age of the most popular female character of the series) to pass unnoticed by this forum for so long. Especially considering we don't only have "foreigner fans" from the US and such, but many fans from Asia and even from Japan itself and others who are fluent in Japanese.
I'm very strong in feeling that "if it were official, someone here would have mentioned it, already" (unless, of course, it was something that was revealed recently), since practically anything that can be considered official in FMA has been mentioned at least once in this forum and that, most of the time, we have at least the scans from the magazine with the interviews or the transcript by amber and similars...

But my theory was not something "affirmed": I just "implied" through the information Arakawa give to us in the manga, which can be proven wrong, later on.
Most the "theories" I've heard so far about Riza's age are kinda contradictory with what the manga states in terms of chronology and what I could imply from all of that is that it would cause a chronology incoherence if Riza was to be either the same age as Roy (or just short from it) or too much younger than him (I've heard anything from 23 to 26 years old).


About the age people graduate at school, it doesn't make much of a difference, in this case, since my date counting is based in the assumption that all cadets graduate at the Military Academy, roughly, the same age, which is something that happens, practically, in any military service of the world. (remembering that Military Academy is NOT the only way to join the Military but that we know that both Roy and Riza joined this way)
If Riza graduated at normal school at 16, 17 or 18 would make little difference in that sense... so, it's all based on the fact that, three years after the death of Master Hawkeye, Riza was at the same point of education as Roy was when it happened. And, considering he was 20 at the time, it means Riza was probably around the same age as he was. And, fortunally for us, we have official confirmation both in the manga and on FMA:b that:
- Roy and Hughes were both born in 1885
- Master Hawkeye died in 1905
- Ishval's annihilation was in 1908.
jacksparrow589
So, being service-minded at the moment (I donated blood for the first time yesterday), I thought of a Royai question: What sort(s) of community service activities would Roy and Riza be most interested in?

For once, it's easier for me to answer for Riza: I think she'd be in the middle of a big group clean-up or something in a park. She'd probably help organize whatever it is, anyway.

Roy, naturally, would take a sort of supervising role, but I certainly don't think he'd be afraid to get his hands dirty, either. I can see him doing something like Habitat for Humanity. (For those who don't know, Habitat for Humanity is pretty much constructing housing for those who can't afford it.) I can also see him as being a spokesperson for whatever cause he joins.

I can also see the two of them together working in a soup kitchen or something.

Anyone else have any thoughts?
iAmjelly
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Apr 13 2011, 02:33 AM) *
So, being service-minded at the moment (I donated blood for the first time yesterday), I thought of a Royai question: What sort(s) of community service activities would Roy and Riza be most interested in?


I have a mental image of Roy dressed in a Santa Suit with a collecting tin, raising funds for the less fortunate during Christmas time biggrin.gif

*shot for being ridiculous*

For real now - I see them both as Red Cross volunteers as part of a clean up crew for small disasters. But I like the soup kitchen idea too!


A Pierrot's Aria
Similarly to iAmjelly's idea, I can see them working for an organisation such as the Red Cross. But not only as the clean up crew, but helping to rebuild as well (it's in a way symbolic of their goal in FMA, too, I think!) And I like the soup kitchen idea, too, I can see them doing that. happy.gif Overall, any charity/voluntary work that helps people that are less fortunate because Roy and Riza are very caring people!
Tombow
QUOTE (iAmjelly @ Apr 13 2011, 09:38 AM) *
I have a mental image of Roy dressed in a Santa Suit with a collecting tin, raising funds for the less fortunate during Christmas time biggrin.gif

*shot for being ridiculous*

LOL I had the exact same image! laugh.gif You know, like what Salvation Army volunteers do during the December Holiday season in U.S..
I'm imagining Roy would do it but not so willingly and complains about the costume or whatnot, while Hughes would dive into the role head-on and like, totally enjoy being Santa. XDDD Oh, and Riza will be Mrs. Santa with cute miniskirt Santa costume. *shot* XDD

Seriously now... my first thought was "Habitat for Humanity (U.S.)" like jacksparrow589. smile.gif
I think they will enjoy doing hands-on labor works in building houses for those who can't afford one.

Or, soup kitchen. But, Roy have to be helping in the "serving line" or overseeing the operation, because according to FMA novel "Roy's holiday" he's completely useless when it comes to cooking and doing other domestic chores, and can't even peel potatoes right. xp
jacksparrow589
iAmjelly--I know I've read at least one fanfic where Roy dons a Santa suit before. I think it would be adorable. wub.gif

A Pierrot's Aria--I totally agree--that's the sort of people they are: kind and caring!

Tombow--I always thought Roy would be at least okay when it came to cooking. huh.gif Obviously, his skill with mixing and mashing things on an atomic level does not extend to food! tongue.gif
RoyxRizaFan
I like that Santa idea, especially including Hughes!

After quite some time, I've finally written another fan fic! This is a funny one that takes place after FMA Brotherhood. I can't give too much away without ruining it. This was my ff.net description:

"Riza and the FMA cast face a villain unlike any they ever have before. I can't say any more without giving the joke away! Set after FMA Brotherhood." (So possible end of series spoilers).

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6904968/1/Hawk...atest_Adversary

Please read it and let me know what you think if you have time ^^
A Pierrot's Aria
^Ahahaha! That's absolutely awesome, RoyxRizaFan!! You've given me my first laugh of the day. tongue.gif I won't say anything else because I don't want to give it away.

@Tombow I love the "Roy's Vacation" portion of the novel. laugh.gif It's funny when Hughes is finding it amusing when Roy is working as a waiter. laugh.gif He seemed to be effective though!

iAmjelly
QUOTE (Tombow @ Apr 14 2011, 12:07 AM) *
Or, soup kitchen. But, Roy have to be helping in the "serving line" or overseeing the operation, because according to FMA novel "Roy's holiday" he's completely useless when it comes to cooking and doing other domestic chores, and can't even peel potatoes right. xp


Knowing his extensive relationship with Riza, why do I find that unsuprising? laugh.gif

Where can I read/get a copy of this novel?

@ RoyxRizaFan: Hahahaha, that was epic. Has that livejournal post where someone asked about the reason it was added to Roy's character been posted here already?
A Pierrot's Aria
@iAmjelly To my knowledge, there is nowhere to read these novels online. I got my copy from Amazon.co.uk; it's the FMA novel named, "Under the Faraway Sky". But there are two stories inside: "Under the Faraway Sky" and then "Roy's Vacation". smile.gif I hope you can get it! The interactions between Roy and Hughes are especially funny --they're in no way literary masterpieces, but they are extremely fun to read. laugh.gif

And I don't remember anyone posting a link to an LJ journal asking for the reason for it. laugh.gif
jacksparrow589
RoyxRizaFan--I left a review for it, but... wow... I still can't stop giggling! That was amazing! laugh.gif
iAmjelly
For everyone who hasn't seen the post on why it was added to Roy's character:

http://whalesinthesky.livejournal.com/756.html#cutid1

Courtesy of clewilan over on LJ who found out for the rest of the fandom and FirstMoon who linked it to me in the first place.

You'll have to scroll down a bit, but the words "The Answer" sparkle like Major Armstrong, so you can't miss it.
jacksparrow589
iAmjelly--But why did they have to unleash it on us? *cries*

Personally, I'd rather (Warning: Brotherhood ending spoilers ahead!) see Roy in a miniskirt (see post #18532, as the link shows up even through spoiler tags!) than with a mustache!

And yes, for those of you who remember, that post number for here is to the beginning of... madness. Sheer and utter madness. Of the most awesome kind. tongue.gif
A Pierrot's Aria
@jacksparrow589 Because they're cruel...so horribly cruel. laugh.gif

I remember seeing a picture of Roy in a miniskirt...it was disturbingly hilarious...or was it hilariously disturbing...That is the question.

Although, [Warning -> Brotherhood ending spoilers ahead] I think I'd rather see him with a dodgy 'tache than wearing a miniskirt. laugh.gif
MewPhong
Thanks everyone! XD on a different note; if they had kids what would they're names be? I'm pretty sure Maes might be one of them but it's kinda overused... Any ideas? (sorry if someones done this before)
Dark-Winds
To answer the question about kids. I dunno why, I can see them having a daughter. I feel like Roy does really well with girls. (And no I don't mean because he's a player.) I just mean he's been around girls his whole life. Made Christmas, the girls at the bar, Riza, he goes on dates with a lot of women.

He seems like he'd be really excited to have have daughter. (Oh god, not like Hughes o____o; Not like him xD) Riza seems like she'd do well with a daughter too because of her personality. She's not totally stern, and like Roy's said, she's gentle hearted behind it all. That just seems to work well for a daughter to me.

And for a name, my friend and I have said Maya. Dunno why. It just kinda seems like something Roy and Riza would name their daughter if they had one.

I feel like if they had a son it'd be just like Roy >.> .... *can't see them having a son for some reason*
xUltimate_Shieldx
QUOTE (Dark-Winds @ Apr 17 2011, 07:45 AM) *
To answer the question about kids. I dunno why, I can see them having a daughter. I feel like Roy does really well with girls. (And no I don't mean because he's a player.) I just mean he's been around girls his whole life. Made Christmas, the girls at the bar, Riza, he goes on dates with a lot of women.

He seems like he'd be really excited to have have daughter. (Oh god, not like Hughes o____o; Not like him xD) Riza seems like she'd do well with a daughter too because of her personality. She's not totally stern, and like Roy's said, she's gentle hearted behind it all. That just seems to work well for a daughter to me.

And for a name, my friend and I have said Maya. Dunno why. It just kinda seems like something Roy and Riza would name their daughter if they had one.

I feel like if they had a son it'd be just like Roy >.> .... *can't see them having a son for some reason*


I completely agree with this. Especially about the son part. Roy and Riza really don't seem like the type of people to have a son. I think they'd both really enjoy raising a daughter. And even if they were to have a son, Roy would not name him Maes. Because really, Roy doesn't seem like he would name his child after his dead friend. I dunno, sorta the whole concept of "moving on", but not to exactly sound mean. Either way, I've seen way too many fanchildren sons who look just like Roy and act just like Roy and it's pretty disgusting. A daughter is seriously the only way to go with them.
RoyxRizaFan
Thanks to everyone who read my story! I'm so glad you liked it!! Thank you!

As for children, I don't think they'd name their kids after old friends or family members, either. Roy and Riza are so focused on the future and giving the next generations a chance to start anew that, even though naming their children after people they know wouldn't really affect that, I don't think they'd consider it, just because...well, I don't see them wanting to tie in anything from the past with the future. I can almost see them deciding this subconsciously.

And I like what was said about them having a girl! I think those are all good points!
jacksparrow589
Being named after both of my grandmothers (and knowing that I would have been named after my mom's dad had I been a boy), I can see the merit in naming children after those who have gone before them, but perhaps as a middle name, if such things exist in the FMA world. While, as RoyxRizaFan said, they're focused on the future, you can't go ahead blindly--those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it, after all.

I do agree that they'd have to have a daughter if they had only one child, but I can see a boy being a second child. (Though I really see them with only one child.)
Tombow
Good discussions going on! ^^ I can see them having one child and preferring a girl, and not naming her after their friends.

On the other hand, I kind of like the image of Roy and Riza having a bunch of kids and both of them turning into an ordinary pair of parents. That kind of show that they might be finally over the demons of past, and having hope for the future and living in it, instead of working for it. biggrin.gif

And, on a completely separate angle, IF they had a only child, and he were a boy, I can see them naming him Maes (though, kind of bittersweet... )
FirstMoon
Oh my,I can see him having a daughter and getting jealous of her when she reaches her teenager years.(Because I know dads who are womanizer in their past and they act very protective towards to their daughters now geee guess why)

Names? Rita,Sara (means princess),Elizabeth (guess why <3),Victoria and some like that.
I don' know,I don't see them giving Asian names to their child at all.I can only see them giving nobly and meaningful names.Am I the only one? confused.gif

And for a boy even tough I agree with others Ray would be very gigly for me.
jacksparrow589
I feel like both Roy and Riza would be very protective of a teenage daughter, but Riza would manage to rein it in, while Roy would slip up every once in a while. Overprotective Roy is so cute! biggrin.gif
Dark-Winds
Yesss. I love the idea of Roy being an overly protective father to a teenage daughter smile.gif

For some strange reason he seems like that type. He's sit up waiting for her at night to come home and he'd send people like Breda and Furey to go watch her whenever she went out xD He'd question her boyfriends and bug her all the time about them lol And then Riza would just be like "...Stop trying so hard." xD

Oh btw, just went to Anime Boston today. My two friends (who are boyfriend and girlfriend) cosplayed a Roy and Riza xD
A Pierrot's Aria
I could see Roy and Riza having a daughter, rather than a son, as most people have said. And similarly to everyone else, I could see Roy being pretty protective of his daughter. (Well, as pretty much any father would! laugh.gif)

I wouldn't be able to think of a name though; the child could be named absolutely anything so it's kind of hard to pick for Roy and Riza. laugh.gif
yadi ina
How interesting, a son of Roy and Riza. Three years ago (maybe a little more) I wrote a fanfic about a daughter of them. His name was Inaru, but now I think one should call their daughter Elizabeth (So original! XD). In this fic, Roy and Riza are a little special with "the Princess. "

Both he and she are consenting lot, but not allow you to practice alchemy and not be said to approach a weapon. She attends a military type school where she pretends to be exceptional in the areas of alchemy and weapons, as were his famous parents.

As expected, Roy is very jealous of his daughter (especially wary of Havoc's son, James Havoc) and Riza is who makes the rules at home.
jacksparrow589
RoyxRizaFan--Gosh darnit, why can't the SakuraCon cosplayers get that into it? tongue.gif (For that matter, why can't they dress up as Roy and Riza to begin with?)

A Pierrot's Aria--I'm completely cool with that suggestion. I mean, we don't necessarily need a reason to celebrate our favorite pairing--we just sort of do already! (But hey, we've found something else to celebrate, and that's cool!)
FirstMoon
I've just found a utterly-jealous-overprotective father Mustang fic,and I can't actually stop laughing tongue.gif

The Trials and Tribulations of Dating as a Mustang
HawkseyeM1910
Hi, I'm new to this forum and I recently just finished Brotherhood and reading the manga, and it's good to see there's so many other Royai fans besides myself.

Nice to meet you all smile.gif
Dark-Winds
@RoyxRizaFan Yes, I wish we had known xD That could have been amazing. But in all honesty for the rest of the con I was like "I'm so glad we met a Royai fan as spazzy about it as we are!" And at the Masquerade, when the Brotherhood AMV won Best in Show and they showed the part where (Warning! MAJOR FMA:Brotherhood/manga storyline Spoiler!! --->)after Riza gets her throat slit and Roy hugs her all of the Royai fans started screaming xD (I was one of them lmao)
RoyxRizaFan
@ DarkWings - Same here! I was so happy to have met another obsessed RoyAi fan! One of my fave parts of the con! I should have known you would be a fellow forum-goer, simply because there can't possibly be anyone else quite as fanatic as we all are tongue.gif

YES! I was screaming during that part, too!!! I was so happy me and my friend weren't the only ones. We were like, "One...two...three...WOOOO!" XD Here's the video for anyone interested, there are ending spoilers though, so careful!
(Warning!! Series Final Spoiler and other major FMA spoilers in the linked AMV below!!)
Anime Boston Masquerade "Best in the show" FMA:Brotherhood AMV

When it didn't win best drama I got sad, so I was soooo happy it was best of show! It was amazing, and not only b/c, well, the blatant RoyAi in it laugh.gif

Special welcome to all newcomers, HawkseyeM1910, Ingnae, and a welcome back to LadyNorbert! I hope everyone sticks around!
HawkseyeM1910
Thank you RoyxRizafan!

That video was awesome, I'm sure people who haven't seen FMAB before were probably amazed by the beautiful RoyAi scenes in that video and are now determined to watch FMAB because of it! XD I hope at least. haha.

Sounds like Anime Boston was awesome!

And sorry this is really off topic, but RainShine I'm pretty pleased to see that you're not only a FMA fan but a Bright Eyes fan as well. biggrin.gif
jacksparrow589
Thanks, RoyxRizaFan, for sharing that video! It was awesome. smile.gif

Welcome, Ignae! biggrin.gif

(And, while I'm at it, welcome to the thread, Rainshine! happy.gif Why haven't you posted here before, indeed? tongue.gif )
Tombow
@HawkseyeM1910, Ingnae, and Rainshine, welcome to the Royai thread! biggrin.gif

@RoyxRizaFan - That video is awesome!

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Now then, for Royai fans with the rest of Royai discussions, please continue our regular Royai discussions on this thread. biggrin.gif
jacksparrow589
Thanks for all the hard work, Tombow! You know we appreciate it! hug.gif

Sooo... Royai day happenings, perhaps?

What we've got so far:

QUOTE (jacksparrow589)
Do we want to do anything (PLEASE SAY YES biggrin.gif ), and how low-key/high-brow do we want to be about it? Also, does anyone have any ideas concerning some sort of theme? To get the ball rolling, I'll throw out my (pretty lame) one: "My favorite thing about Royai is..."

Explanation, in case it's not clear: While I'm sure we all have kind of the same idea, we all have different takes on what it means and how it affects us.

Also, please try to avoid themes that are spoiler-heavy, as we like to include as many people as possible, and not everyone's gotten through everything yet. (I'm sure that there will be more rules about spoilers forthcoming as it is.) smile.gif


QUOTE (A Pierrot's Aria)
@jacksparrow589 I think that's a fantastic idea! The series has ended and ... (Edited for spoilers. Forgive me!) ... sharing what Royai means to us all seems so appropriate!


QUOTE (Tombow)
As for this year's June 11 Royai Day, I'm all for jacksparrow589's idea! ... For those who are new to this thread, we have been celebrating June 11 Royai Day Festival, on and off, for many years, and I would love to have the celebration again this year! biggrin.gif

Thank you so much (in advance), JS589 and others, for taking the initiative and organizing this year's June 11 Royai Day Celebration! happy.gif
A Pierrot's Aria
@jacksparrow Don't worry about having to take out the spoiler in my post, I understand. happy.gif I sort of woke up in the morning to find all the posts concerning the matter had disappeared from this thread. laugh.gif

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@Tombow I know. tongue.gif

I think that the theme you picked is perfectly fine --very apt, as I had said before. The only thing I can think to expand on is the means; Those who enjoy writing could write something (fanfics etc), those who enjoy drawing can draw something. Or if no one feels like doing any of the above, they can simply type up their reasons...All in all, I think it would be fair to accept any form of showing why we love/what our favourite thing is about Royai and what it means to us. xD This should ensure that all is fair and everyone can be included. (Although, this is probably a given in the first place.)
jacksparrow589
Oh, yes, definitely feel free to pick your means of expression, as always! Fanfics, fanart, essay, mural... whatever, as long as no direct spoilers are posted for all to see (they should be linked with a MASSIVE warning before them) and as long as it's PG-13. (At least I think it's PG-13... might be PG, though. Let me check on that...)
RoyxRizaFan
Considering that FMA itself is PG-13, I think that should be fine.

I think I have an idea for what I might do! I'm excited!
A Pierrot's Aria
^If I'm thinking correctly, PG-13 is what we like to keep the content at on this board, because we have members and guests who are quite young, as well as mature (that's just the wide appeal FMA has!) So I'm thinking that PG-13 will be absolutely fine. happy.gif

I can't wait to see what you've got planned, RoyxRizaFan!

I was also thinking that maybe we could also portray (in whichever means we'd like) what we like about Roy and Riza individually, as well as Royai as a whole? They're both absolutely amazing characters, and I think it would be fun to see what we all love about them as individuals, too. happy.gif
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