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Turdaewen
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Mar 4 2011, 01:03 PM) *
onigiri_girl--I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but the omakes and the funnier scenes tend to be harder to use as proof because we're not supposed to take them seriously. Roy could just be reacting to Barry because, as much of a ladykiller front as he puts out there, I'm willing to bet money that deep down, he's really quite the upstanding guy who would be angry if he saw anyone groping anyone else. As to "The Worst Idea In History"... I don't think omakes can be taken at face value. I mean, there was the one with the Truth's mom washing his boxers or something; definitely not something you'd take immediately as "that really happened".

A lot of the scenes you listed were serious ones, though, and I'd tend to use those. (I'm operating mostly on love being less physical than anything else. Is there a physical component to love? Sure--I'd never deny that! Between Roy and Riza? Jury's still out on that, but regardless, their love isn't any less special or deep or true than that of couples who do have physical relationships.)

FirstMoon--We've totally had the did they/didn't they debate here. Several times. tongue.gif Gimpyhair even did a comic about it, but I opted not to put that one in the Royai fanart gallery here due to the nature of its content, not that it would have been allowed, anyway. (It's not... outright indecent, if anyone's wondering, but it's very clear what the situation is.)

I love that comic by Gimpy!! lol She's so funny! XD Where is she, lately, btw??

I, myself, think it's rather pointless to try and "raise proofs" of Royai... It always sound a little desperate and sorta looks like we're trying to justify our shipping as if it wouldn't be valid if you don't have material proof of it. And I don't really see a point in that. lol
If a person chooses to think Royai it's not cannon... well, patience.

And I also don't think Royai it's something of the sort we can proof by "listing scenes". As I've said before, Arakawa is all about what's not said and that can be implied when you pay attention to it. The people who have been following the manga month after month at this forum, when we had about 30 days to 'digest' the chapters are well aware of that and I guess people who have read FMA all at once have a downside in that sense, since they did't have really enough time to "digest" what's being showed in each individual chapter and can pass through many of the implications of certain scenes.
onigiri_girl
don't get me wrong smile.gif I'm a diehard royai fan and deep inside me I really wish that there are many royai scenes when riza showed him her back, but we didn't have any hints about what they were doing, so I guess only God and Arakawa knows what actually happened. biggrin.gif

As for jacksparrow589 reply, indeed i agree that omake can't be taken seriously and I'm merely trying to speak out my mind about my own assumption of jealous roy. we have a diffrent opinion here about roy is whether actually being jealous or not in the barry scene. I think that roy indeed is jealous. even though any gentleman seing a girl being groped, he wouldn't be that mad. If I imagined myself as a guy who was passing by and seeing a girl being groped, I will be like "Hey dude! what are ya doing? Stop groping her.." or somethin like that. But I'll still be cold headed. Yet, in the barry the chopper scene, roy was so furious that riza have to keep him calm down. well, thats just an opinion of mine. Because the scene itself was kinda ambigous, once again, only God and Arakawa knows what is really going on there biggrin.gif
A Pierrot's Aria
I'd never deny that Roy wants to protect Riza (and vice versa). But, personally, I always saw that scene with Barry the Chopper as just comedy mixed with the fact that Roy wasn't happy about her getting harassed by some strange guy, (laugh.gif) rather than it being him reacting in a jealous rage. laugh.gif

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But yeah, I'm just going to leave you guys to it! *Walks away whistling* laugh.gif
Turdaewen
QUOTE (onigiri_girl @ Mar 4 2011, 02:40 PM) *
don't get me wrong smile.gif I'm a diehard royai fan and deep inside me I really wish that there are many royai scenes when riza showed him her back, but we didn't have any hints about what they were doing, so I guess only God and Arakawa knows what actually happened. biggrin.gif

As for jacksparrow589 reply, indeed i agree that omake can't be taken seriously and I'm merely trying to speak out my mind about my own assumption of jealous roy. we have a diffrent opinion here about roy is whether actually being jealous or not in the barry scene. I think that roy indeed is jealous. even though any gentleman seing a girl being groped, he wouldn't be that mad. If I imagined myself as a guy who was passing by and seeing a girl being groped, I will be like "Hey dude! what are ya doing? Stop groping her.." or somethin like that. But I'll still be cold headed. Yet, in the barry the chopper scene, roy was so furious that riza have to keep him calm down. well, thats just an opinion of mine. Because the scene itself was kinda ambigous, once again, only God and Arakawa knows what is really going on there biggrin.gif

Actually, I have the same reading as you about that Barry scene. And I think most Japanese fans got the same idea, taking from the amount of jokes, fanarts and comics they had made about this scene. lol
For me, it would make no sense to think of any other way why he reacted like that. He wasn't mad about Barry calling him "this guy", since Roy was pissed before Barry even opened his mouth, so there's no doubt he was pissed at Barry for hitting on Riza, period. Why he got pissed at that, well, that can be argued, but I also think it makes little sense to say it was his 'womanizer ego hurt'.

But I also agree that it's not necessarily a jealous rage by Roy, but something more of a 'protective' side of him... but, even then, A Pierrot's Aria, it also don't make sense to say he was protecting her from a "notorious serial killer" since Roy didn't even KNOW it was a serial killer or anything. He just knew Riza ran into a "strange guy" and arrive to see that "strange guy" in a suit of armor, glomping Riza.

So, yeah, it wasn't a jealous rage, but he was definitely jealous and WAY overreacted, which is just a very common comic relief for Roy, isn't it? Getting really pissed at something that means very little. lol
jacksparrow589
Oh, I'm not saying he wasn't jealous at all, 'cause we all know he was. tongue.gif I was just saying that I think it wasn't just jealousy that provoked his reaction. Sorry I wasn't more clear on that. ^^;
RoyxRizaFan
These discussions just remind me how much I love not only Royai, but FMA itself - we're able to discuss and argue over a scene that occured years ago, because this series has so many layers to it and such complex characters that there's more than one answer to each scene, and there's always something new to find. Arakawa doesn't TELL us what to think, but IMPLIES things so that the story can take on more than one meaning and really come to life, as if these characters and situations were real (which they are in my heart and mind!) Royai is especially like this b/c they're so subtle, which is why I think we're able to keep this thread going even nearly a year after the end of FMA.

Sorry...nerd moment over, resume discussion tongue.gif
Turdaewen
lol

You're absolutely right, RoyXRizaFan. ^^ It's really impressive how we can keep on discussing about these things and always having something new to comment. XD

And, jacksparrow589, I understand what you're saying and I do agree: it was more than mere jealousy. That's for sure. XD
Lisamustang
Another topic!

If Roy and Riza were in our world, what style do u think they might be ? And what sort of clothes they'd wear?

I have some options: Gotic, Punk, Hip hop style, otaku, etc
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A Pierrot's Aria
I can see Roy wearing smart-casual. Like suits, shirts and all that jazz. I can also see him wearing just a T-shirt with maybe black jeans.

Casual with Riza, too. smile.gif I see her wearing nice skirts and tops and stuff.
jacksparrow589
I agree with A Pierrot's Aria. The stuff Arakawa has them wearing when they're not working is nice, too, if that's not included.
RoyxRizaFan
Agreed! For example, the outfits Riza wore outside of work would still work today. A nice shirt, jacket, skirt, and a pair of heels, typically. For Roy, what was stated before; I like the term "smart casual."

So basically, no cargo pants or print tees. Though I could definitely see Hughes customizing shirts with his daughter's face on them XD One step up from the photo!
Dark-Winds
Yeah, I agree with what's been said. They both seem like pretty well dressed people smile.gif
Lisamustang
Another question...! What would them study in the university?

I beg Riza would study biology science or something like that biggrin.gif and Roy... i would like to see him as a sexy doctor hahaha

What do u think ?
A Pierrot's Aria
I could imagine Roy doing something like politics and/or chemistry...as for Riza, I'm not being biased here, but I could imagine her doing philosophy. laugh.gif
iAmjelly
I see Roy doing his Postgrad in Chemistry by the time Riza rolls around to do her Bachelor of... Psychology maybe?

Alternately, I also see Roy being a very sexy medical student.
jacksparrow589
Roy... I feel like he'd do Chemistry. Maybe political science, but something tells me not. (Can't see him as a med student. A sexy student, but not a med student. tongue.gif )

Riza is somewhat more difficult. I don't feel like she'd want to get into people's heads, necessarily. I can see her doing Philosophy. Also science... some sort of science. Or maybe History. I really don't know, if you can't guess. happy.gif
iAmjelly
Alternately, what if they weren't students - what if they worked at a university instead? Would they be professors or lecturers (is there even a difference between the two?) or researchers? (And what would they be teaching/researching?)

I imagine Roy would be a Physics or a Chemistry Professor doing research in thermodynamics.

Riza would be his badass Associate Professor.

I... kind of see Roy as being the hot janitor too...
A Pierrot's Aria
^The lecturers usually are professors/doctors. Some of the seminar tutors can be PhD Students, too. happy.gif

I agree with iAmjelly, I could see Roy being a Chemistry professor/researcher, or even Politics lecturer.

I could imagine Riza being a PhD Student seminar teacher...in...philosophy or maybe history. laugh.gif
Dark-Winds
I could picture Roy studying Chemistry or Politics.

And as for Riza... That's tough. I'd say History or English.
FailToImpress
Hi guys, I haven't been around for what seems like years!
I kind of dropped off the map shortly after the final chapter of the manga was released, I think I needed some time away to come to terms with it, haha. (I can't tell if I'm joking or not). tongue.gif Also I started uni again so that's been taking up a lot of my time, but I'm back! I've started watching the dub episodes again, and my love for fma (and royai) has reinstated itself. Yay!
Tombow
^ Welcome back, FailToImpress!! Nice to see your post again! biggrin.gif

As for Roy and Riza as grad students...
Maybe... Roy as Chemistry grad student. And Riza for English literature? smile.gif
FailToImpress
Thanks, Tombow!! It's good to be back.

I can definitely see Riza teaching English Lit. As for Roy I think he'd make a good Chemistry teacher, or maybe even History. I hated History at school, but if Roy was teaching, I'm SO there.
jacksparrow589
Hi, FailToImpress! It's so good to see you again! smile.gif

Methinks we need a new question. What sort of special events can you see Roy and Riza going to? (I'll give examples in my answer, but this is a really open question.)

For Roy, I can see him attending a Renaissance fair or some sort of sidewalk festival/street fair.

I can also see Riza going to a street fair (and I can totally see a Royai date being made out of that), or to some sort of organized used book sale. (The libraries where I live hold a semi-annual book sale right down the road from my university. It's HUGE, and I love going to it.)

I tend to think that, besides a street fair, they might go together to see a play. Maybe some Shakespeare in the Park or something. tongue.gif
A Pierrot's Aria
Welcome back, FailToImpress!

...And good thinking! You too, Tombow! I didn't think of English literature for Riza --I could totally imagine her studying/teaching that!

I agree with jsp589, I could see them going to a street fair/festival. I could also imagine them going to one of those travelling circuses, too. Like the Chinese and Russian circuses I go to when they come to the area. (They're not the kind of circuses that use animals or have a great emphasis on clowns; The clowns only tend to appear while the team are getting the next prop ready in the background for the next act. laugh.gif) I'd imagine that Roy and Riza would enjoy the spectacular acts!
RoyxRizaFan
I've recently started watching DVDs of the 1990s show "The X-Files," and the relationship between Mulder and Scully TOTALLY reminds me of Roy and Riza! I don't know if anyone's seen X-Files, but their relationship is the same in the way that they can completely trust each other, and have one another's backs, and would sacrifice anything for one another - that really deep, unspoken bond of trust that you can just feel from the way they look at each other, and a love that isn't expressed through hugs and kisses (like most pairings) but through that reliance and dependency on one another. I was so excited to find these traits, which I associate with RoyAi, shown in a "pairing" on TV...I mean, we've come up with similiar couples before, couples like Tony and Ziva that remind us of RoyAi, but Scully and Mulder's relationship is based off of the same kind of asexual love and devotion RoyAi is. Sorry for the ramble...but I got excited to see that same kind of relationship in modern culture (not that FMA isn't modern, but it isn't as renowned as The X-Files...if you get what I mean) b/c I find those kinds of relationships a lot more interesting than the other ones the media spews out. Of course I do, that's why I've been here, in the RoyAi thread for...how many years? XD

But my point is that even though relationships like Roy/Riza's or Scully/Mulder's aren't expressed through things like love making and marriage I find them more meaningful than may of modern culture's relationships that are based ONLY off of love making and such, because they tend to be emptier, just because the writers focus more on that aspect while ignoring the deeper, more meaningful things that make relationships (whether romantic or not, between men and women or two men etc. whatever) more interesting and dynamic...I mean, it even works for COMPLETELY nonromantic relationships, like the most interesting relationship on "White Collar" is between Neil and Peter, in a different yet similar way to RoyAi/X-Files, just because...well, you get where I'm going...and I feel like I'm rambling so I'm really going to force myself to stop now.

(but I've only seen up to season 6 of X-Files so take caution when replying XDDD just in case anyone other than myself has actually watched it...I don't want spoilers)

As for question of the week...(and thank you, jacksparrow, for providing us with these and keeping the thread alive! I applaud your creativity......"applaudes*) ...I guess I can also see them attending formal events and banquets, whether for political reasons or whatnot...perhaps because I love that picture of Roy's team in formal wear and I want to see more of that, and how Riza covers her back while still being sexy XDDD And I just had a really random, funny image of Riza and Roy bringing Black Hayate to a dog show on, like, Animal Kingdom, b/c he'd pwn any other puppy's you-know-what tongue.gif Totally kidding there...my neighbor's annoying dog was barking so that popped into my head...

How about an event where distraught girlfriends bring their mustached men to the barber and get the worms shaved off their face? This is the kind of event I WANT to see Brotherhood!Riza and Roy at...not that such an event exists, but one should START, just for his 'stache!! laugh.gif
jacksparrow589
RoyxRizaFan--Oh no, not the mustache! laugh.gif

I think Roy would seriously consider stealing Hayate for a dog show, though. I feel that that's just something he'd do... *shrugs* It's funny, anyway. tongue.gif

Grah... I haven't actually written Royai in so long! I'm trying to get back into the swing of it, but I chose something weird to start with. I'll post it when I'm done and see what you guys think.
iAmjelly
Wakey, wakey thread! Maybe it's time for a new question? I've been itching to ask this one for ages:

If Roy and Riza were musicians in the Amestris Symphony Orchestra, what would they play? (And on a side note, what would the rest of Team Mustand play?)
Turdaewen
QUOTE (iAmjelly @ Mar 28 2011, 09:35 AM) *
Wakey, wakey thread! Maybe it's time for a new question? I've been itching to ask this one for ages:

If Roy and Riza were musicians in the Amestris Symphony Orchestra, what would they play? (And on a side note, what would the rest of Team Mustand play?)

That's a good one... ^^

I guess Roy would be a violinist, since he's all so self-confident and likes to be in the spotlight. XD He might even be the Concertmaster! That would fit him perfectly...

I think Riza would be an oboist. Just cause she looks like one! lol Women oboists are usually quiet and centered, and also delicate, but less "girly" than the flautists.

Havoc would probably be a trombonist. They're usually the "clowns", who like to tell jokes and play.

Falman would be a clarinetist, I think. They are usually the quiet, but fun ones. Either that or a bassoon.

Breda would definitely be the tuba player. Don't think an explanation is needed here, right? lol

And Fuery would probably play the viola, for his shyness. And also cause he's so cute and small and young... Just looks like a violist.
A Pierrot's Aria
I think that Riza would suit having a more "soothing" instrument, such as a wind instrument (or even a harp) because of the reflective and meditative qualities the sounds have to them. So I have to agree, an Oboe would be a great choice for Riza, for the reasons mentioned above. smile.gif

I also agree with a violin for Roy --it can make very loud and enthusiastic sounds. But Like stated above, it's the type of instrument a confident person would play! Also, conductor/concertmaster is a great idea because he's the team leader! tongue.gif

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jacksparrow589
All the violinists I know are relatively quiet people. huh.gif I can see Roy being one, though. Or, yeah, the conductor. He would do that. happy.gif

I can see Riza as either an oboist (for the reasons mentioned above), or a pianist. Seems like she's got the dexterity for it, at any rate.
Turdaewen
I know violinists that are both outspoken and quiet, but the all have some characteristics in common: they're all bold and headstrong. It's a kind of characteristic of the Violin inside the orchestra of being the one that 'gives directions' to others and that reflects in the personality of the players.

And I think Roy would be the concertmaster not only because he's a leader, but because he is a natural born leader! Even when he's not the 'head chief', he tends to act like one and it's a natural place for him to coordinate the work of others and be the one who 'goes ahead' of everyone. He has initiative.
Lisamustang
this totally reminds me of Nodame Cantabile Lol! chiaki-sempai reminds me of Roy as a violinist lol and yeah, roy would be an awesome violinist biggrin.gif! since it becomes to be sexy hahaha :3 and for riza, i wouldnt see her in a orchestra but playing piano :3
Turdaewen
I never pictured Riza playing a piano... lol I don't know why, but she just doesn't look like a pianist, to me. XD
yadi ina
Hello! Let me introduce you, I'm Yai ina. I am a big fan of the couple Hawkeye and Mustang and would like to join.
I have read this page and the number they wear, I've noticed is the forum royai more active recently.

If you allow me to say, I tell RoyxRizafan I've always thought the same of the similarity between Mulder / Scully and Roy / Riza. the way they handle their relationship and the enormous limitations that prevent an affair. These are my favorite couples of fiction.

I also see that business is the next question
Amjelly given by:

If Roy and Riza Were Amestris musicians in the Symphony Orchestra, What Would They play? (And on a side note, What Would the rest of Team Mustang play?)

In a symphony orchestra, I feel like Roy play the violin, I find it quite ready for an instrument as difficult (at least for me)

Riza, as good with their hands, it seems perfect for the piano.

And other subordinates ..

Havoc: guitar, something tells me that would make a good bohemian
Flame: The Triangle. I think that is right for him.
Breda: bass .. Do not ask me why
and Furey: the trumpet. I find it funny to imagine without air after playing.

Pd ... Actually speak Spanish, so pray that if you suddenly write something inappropriate, it is because I move a grammar rule ...
iAmjelly
LOL, in my head, I always had Roy and Riza being the First and Second Chairs of First Violin (cuz, you know, the First Chair's usually in charge when the concertmaster's not around) with Riza being their resident concert pianist whenever they felt like playing a piano concerto tongue.gif

Havoc was a cellist, Falman was an oboeist, Breda had a trombone and Fuery was on clarinet.

And then Grumman was the concertmaster, Ed was on percussion, Maes played the French Horn and Berthold Hawkeye was a famous composer from whom Roy learnt the art of composition. Good Lord, why did I never write this AU?

And welcome to the forums yadi ina!! It's good to have you here!
jacksparrow589
Welcome, yadi ina! Glad to have you here! smile.gif

I think there's someone else (if not a few other people) on here who compares Royai to Mulder/Scully. (Not me--I don't think I've seen the smallest clip of X-Files! ^^; ) You're in very good company!
FirstMoon
Have you ever seen this? ohmy.gif
It's an amazing article about Riza's tattoo,I can't believe the author of this article analysed everything on her back.

And I'm amazed to see it's very organised and searched.I mean wow,there's even a part where Hawkeye sensei puts his apologies.My eyes teared up.He used this poem to show how much he is sorry for what he had done to his daughter.

I'm sure you'd like to see this.
Dark-Winds
Holy cow that's amazing O___o I can't believe that someone was able to break it down like that.

I think the whole part about the poem is really nice smile.gif especially considering that getting that tattoo and having to carry such a heavy burden must be hard on Riza.
MewPhong
Wow that's alot of info...
A Pierrot's Aria
Welcome to the Royai thread, yadi ina and MewPhong!

It's incredible that someone has interpreted that tattoo! It's all very interesting and quite exciting to look at; especially because of the Latin!

jacksparrow589
Mew Phong--Welcome to the thread! smile.gif

FirstMoon--Wow! Thank you for sharing such a comprehensive article! I wish I had more time to go over it in detail!

Not that it is impossible by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm kind of not buying that that poem was intentionally used solely as an apology. It certainly could be that, at least partially, and I wouldn't put it past Mr. Hawkeye to do that, either, but for some reason, I just can't think that he'd tattoo an apology on his daughter's back. (Maybe it reminds me a bit too much of a message in a tattoo from "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo" and that's why I can't accept it fully... Do not read that series unless you can handle a lot of gratuitous badness, though.)
RoyxRizaFan
@ yadi ina - Welcome to the thread! Glad I'm not the only one to see how similar Roy and Riza's relationship is to Scully and Mulder's - I can't even think of another pair that compares as well.

@ Mew Pong - Welcome to the thread!!

@ FirstMoon - Wow, thanks so much for sharing! What a ton of info there! I'll have to take a closer look at it when I'm not falling asleep...

~Dark Flames~
Wow, that's really incredible FirstMoon! Thanks so much for sharing that!^^
Tombow
Welcome to our board, and welcome to the Royai thread, yadi ina, MewPhong, and ~Dark Flames~ (and all other new people ^^)! biggrin.gif

QUOTE (FirstMoon @ Apr 3 2011, 01:29 PM) *
Have you ever seen this? ohmy.gif
It's an amazing article about Riza's tattoo, I can't believe the author of this article analysed everything on her back.

Ah, thanks FirstMoon for bringing that. ^^ And, in fact yes, that link has been posted (like many other Royai related things xp) on this thread, couple of times, and discussed it here and in FMA manga forum. biggrin.gif And yes, that research is quite extensive work, and I've used that article for reference. ^^ (I think we also have another site with very good info on Riza's tattoo. Can't remember the link though.)


And by the way, this Royai thread may look like a "chit-chat" thread to uninformed outsiders, but in fact this thread contains amazing collection of significant Royai information and discussions, or links that have very good Royai info and discussions, like that page with the analysis of Riza's tattoo, and this thread is also filled with creative artworks and fanfics on Roy, Riza, and Royai. IMO it really is a treasure trove for Royai fans. When get the chance hope some of you guys can take time to explore the past pages of this thread. smile.gif


QUOTE (RoyxRizaFan @ Mar 22 2011, 08:20 PM) *
I've recently started watching DVDs of the 1990s show "The X-Files," and the relationship between Mulder and Scully TOTALLY reminds me of Roy and Riza! I don't know if anyone's seen X-Files, but their relationship is the same in the way that they can completely trust each other, and have one another's backs, and would sacrifice anything for one another - that really deep, unspoken bond of trust that you can just feel from the way they look at each other, and a love that isn't expressed through hugs and kisses (like most pairings) but through that reliance and dependency on one another.....
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Mar 30 2011, 10:38 AM) *
I think there's someone else (if not a few other people) on here who compares Royai to Mulder/Scully.

Yap, I'm one of them! ^^ I feel like I've been saying this for years. XD I think forgiven and some others posted the similar opinion on this thread also. Glad we got another Royai fan who feels the same way! biggrin.gif
FMAobsessed
Welcome yadi ina and Mew Pong!

@FirstMoon: That is an interesting find. Arakawa sure gave Riza's tattoo a lot of consideration.
Turdaewen
@ Mew Pong - Welcome to the thread!!


And, yeah!! I love that article, as well!! But I HAVE to say this and I'm so sorry to pop everyone's bubble (actually, my bubble was pop itself a while back, after looking carefully at that page of the manga), but this "description" is not entirely accurate: the real tattoo has no symbols other than the caduceus and the ones we see in Roy's glove. In the part where there're things written, there's actually only text (no symbols) and the original text repeats indefinitely a Catholic responsory called "Libera me"...

This is the transcript:

QUOTE
Libera me, Domine, de morte aeterna, in die illa tremenda:
Quando caeli movendi sunt et terra.
Dum veneris judicare saeculum per ignem.
Tremens factus sum ego, et timeo, dum discussio venerit, atque ventura ira.
Quando caeli movendi sunt et terra.
Dies illa, dies irae, calamitatis et miseriae, dies magna et amara valde.
Dum veneris judicare saeculum per ignem.
Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine: et lux perpetua luceat ei


Which translates into:

QUOTE
Deliver me, O Lord, from death eternal on that fearful day,
when the heavens and the earth shall be moved,
when thou shalt come to judge the world by fire.
I am made to tremble, and I fear, till the judgment be upon us, and the coming wrath,
when the heavens and the earth shall be moved.
That day, day of wrath, calamity, and misery, day of great and exceeding bitterness,
when thou shalt come to judge the world by fire.
Rest eternal grant unto them, O Lord: and let light perpetual shine upon them.


But, of course, that text is still amazing and still it gives many symbols to consider (and all apart from that specific is pretty accurate, from what I know about symbolism) and interesting meanings about the other parts of the tattoo and everything ^^

Edit: I've put up the original scan for reference ^^

yadi ina
Hi, thanks for the welcome...

RoyRizafan agree not imagine another couple with minimal resemblance to Roy and Riza than Mulder and Scully

@ Firtmoon bond: the research is full of arguments to my point of view, agree with everything I've read about alchemy. And do not think I should comment more on the drawing of the complete tattoo, remember that in the manga goes incomplete because of the scars, but she managed to rebuild a truly a work of art.
Turdaewen
Yes, it is a very good research, indeed.

I'm only pointing out that, some parts, were invented by herself and don't appear in the original artwork and, as such, we should bear that in mind when we try to relate that to what Arakawa put up in her story and the interpretations she wanted to put in the symbols stated in the series. (for example: we shouldn't say "Arakawa was brilliant to relate that poem to Riza", since that alchemical poem is NOT written in the tattoo - that drawing was created BY Angelalegna, inspired in the original art, but with addings by herself)


But, yes, Angelalegna made quite a good research and it is pretty much accurate in every definition she puts.

To be truly honest, I think it's very unlikely that even Arakawa herself knew the full extent of these symbols she has put together... they're a lot more "meanful" than what comes across in usual descriptions, even in famous alchemy books, simply because, as Arakawa put in FMA herself so brilliantly: Alchemy is all about "the Truth behind the truth" and, as such, there're SEVERAL layers of interpretation you can give to a research or theory: the Salamander itself, for exemple, could be subject to a whole article, for all the meanings it contains... (pehaps I might get down to writting it... lol)

So, as Angelalegna herself put it, this article is more of an "introduction" and many other things can be taken from those symbols...


Anyways, I'll try to scan a better picture of the tattoo to show what I mean.
RadicalDreamer
Interesting info about the tatoo.

About Roy and Riza and Mulder and Scully... I just wish I actually watched X-Files. I mean, I saw some episodes and the first movie (and those alone made me like M/S right away) but never really went further. I can see why you think Royai are very similar to them... but I think there are other TV couples that can compare to them too... (let's be honest... the "partners investigating" formula is X-Filish... and recently, we got Bones and Castle... who do you think they try to emulate ?). I personally compared Royai to another couple (with the same job kinda... and of course the deep trust, "got each other back" and "we don't need words" thing) that is not from X-Files... But I will just say that I love Arakawa's writing better... so much better.

I love the fact that she never tried to separate Royai (Bradley's trap doesn't count), include an useless boyfriend/girlfriend (I still got a bit irritated at Roy's attempt at flirting with Olivia... and what about that girl from the flower shop ? But I guess it was harmless in the end *and pretty vain with Olivia laugh.gif *)... or make them screw with each other instead of being faithful to their duty/honor (no, I don't think they did anything before, during or after Ishval *as tempting it is to think they did lol*... well, before, they were allowed but I don't think it happened, they just were good friends I guess). Oh... and... Royai was just so much deeper in the manga/Brotherhood than in the first anime (which wasn't meant to follow Arakawa's story, for an obvious reason)... and there is no attempt at erasing them and shoving an emo Roy angsting over Edward's disappearance down our throat (Shambala... seriously what the hell ?).

The silent love based on deep trust and little things and/or "are they/aren't they" (or "will they/won't they") thing... those aren't exclusive to Mulder and Scully. And so, same for Roy and Riza (the thing with Roy and Riza is that their relationship is rare and precious in the anime world in particular. As we know, romance in manga/anime and even videogames "can be" pretty generic/juvenile/cliché. Thank goodness, there is still a bunch of likable ones and a few jewels. Not that I think live action shows/movies or even novels are filled with couples like Roy and Riza... but I think it's less rare to encounter couples like them in those... contrary to the anime/manga world *the fault to all those high school/teenager stories*).




Anyway... I was wondering about Roy and Riza's ages at the end of the manga. I know Roy is supposed to be 29 at the start and Riza 3 or 4 years younger (something like that). But how many years passed exactly ? I mean, when I look at Ed and Winry... they just look like kids during the first episodes (I'm not talking about the flashbacks) and then, they look like young adults. But still, I don't think this much time passed.
iAmjelly
What RadicalDreamer said. There are a million other shows that my mind automatically connects Royai to - The X Files, Jag, NCIS, Castle - but Royai is just so much better. As awesome as they are, they have their faults and weaknesses as characters that actually make them perfect characters that I don't reckon any other series or show will be able to replicate.

My own interpretation of their relationship is just that they know everything that needs to known that matters. I've always liked to think that both Roy and Riza have always known that they love each other and that they've just been content with that - so they're okay with not going so far as to consummate their relationship behind the scenes while they still have to fix things. It's like they know that they'll only ever be with each other so they're content in getting everything done first - and by getting things done, it's not just fighting crime, it's fixing as much as they can even if it means they'll end up being tried for it. And I think we all know that if Roy is tried and found guilty for the things he did in Ishbal, even if Riza gets off, she's not going to let him face the firing squad on his own. It's almost as if their existence depends entirely on knowing the other exists and in that way, they're not like Mulder and Scully or Harm and Mac because Roy and Riza's relationship has so much more depth than anything anyone could ever replicate. They really are one of a kind.

Am I even making sense or am I just rambling now...?
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