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Tombow
Welcome back, shanryelric, rinoaebastel, Turdaewen, StormGoddess and everyone who juts recently came back! Nice to see your posts again! biggrin.gif

@rinoaebastel - I love your Royai Christmas drawing, and the vid! Thank you for sharing it with us! happy.gif

@StormGoddess - Haha, yes, that vid reminds Royai very much! biggrin.gif

QUOTE (StormGoddess @ Jan 8 2011, 06:18 PM) *
And I have a question. I just realized I saved a lot of royai screenshots before in this old pc that I'm using right now and most of those pictures have this "officelove.fullmetal-alchemist.com" on them. Was it a page here that no longer exists?

Yes, "officelove" was a "Royai" site created and ran by our ex-"moderator extraordinaire", Chibi Viki-san who was also one of the original posters of this Royai thread, and it was our "sister" site for some time, but eventually got closed for lack of activity. sad.gif
By the way, if you go through the first half portion of this Royai thread, you may find some awesome Royai drawings created by Chibi Viki-san and used to be on "office-love" site also. smile.gif
Dark-Winds
Anybody see these before? =)

http://royxriza.tumblr.com/post/2649103255/fma-guidebook-3

Pretty interesting if you ask me. It sort of looks like things that make Roy angry or something lol

I wonder what it says? It's too bad we don't have any of the guidebooks besides the first one out in English =/
jacksparrow589
Dark-Winds--I will be the first to admit that I can't read any of it. The best I can do is remember what was going on in those specific panels, and that's not much help at all when you want to know how they're connected. But now I want it. Like, a physical copy of the book. Translated or not--I don't care. I just want it.

Storm-Goddess--If you just close your eyes while you watch it, it doesn't have to be who it is in the video. (But if the same motions are gone through, it's perfect for one of the Royai 100 themes: Embracing from the back.)

Turdaewen, shanry, StormGoddess, and rinoaebastel--Long time, no see!

Hmm... How 'bout a Royai question?

A basic one this week, since I can't really think of anything good. (And if anyone has a more creative one, post it!) At what point in the story did you seriously start to think that there's something between Roy and Riza? (Could be during the manga or either anime.)

I thought it was cute during anime1, but there wasn't really enough... I'd say the whole Riza vs. Gluttony/Roy vs. Lust part of the manga really solidified it for me.
Turdaewen
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Jan 9 2011, 02:36 PM) *
A basic one this week, since I can't really think of anything good. (And if anyone has a more creative one, post it!) At what point in the story did you seriously start to think that there's something between Roy and Riza? (Could be during the manga or either anime.)


I guess it was at the Barry the chopper scene. I thought that they could be a couple before but that's when I really started to think it was a little more than mere speculation. XD
hand-made-city
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Jan 9 2011, 11:36 AM) *
A basic one this week, since I can't really think of anything good. (And if anyone has a more creative one, post it!) At what point in the story did you seriously start to think that there's something between Roy and Riza? (Could be during the manga or either anime.)


Sometime during anime 1 I thought there was something going on... I think I felt it all through my first watching of the series, but I didn't pay much attention because back then I really loved Ed and Al... the second time I watched I paid much more attention to Roy and subsequently Riza. And then by the last episode I knew there was something special between them that I had missed the first time.

And then I read the manga... and you just can't deny their relationship there! smile.gif
iAmjelly
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Jan 9 2011, 11:36 AM) *
A basic one this week, since I can't really think of anything good. (And if anyone has a more creative one, post it!) At what point in the story did you seriously start to think that there's something between Roy and Riza? (Could be during the manga or either anime.)


For me, it was the last episode of anime 1, because I was young and I couldn't read the subtle just yet. When Roy was all like "The world's not perfect blah blah blah that's what makes it so damn beautiful," I had a moment where I stopped the DVD, rewinded it and said something like "Is... is there something going on here?"

Then I rewatched the first anime and was all like "How did I miss this?" and because there wasn't enough Royai interaction, I went hunting for the manga. What hand-made-city said. Can't deny it in the manga.
StormGoddess
@Tombow that's sad sad.gif. It's good to have (err who was it again? I'm really bad at remembering names D:) gathering all the pictures.

@Dark-Winds Thanks for sharing. I just wish I understand that. What does it say? Are they canon already? XD ... wait, who said they're not? tongue.gif

@jacksparrow589 Yes, perfect one for another fanfiction. XD


About the RoyAi question, I'm the same as iAmjelly. The first time I watched FMA1 I wasn't that sensitive to subtle hints, and I probably skipped episode 37 so when I saw Roy and Riza with her hair down in episode 51 I was like "who's that?" and then I heard her spoke and I said "oh? they're together?" huh.gif so I decided to rewatch it and then Royai starvation started and so I started reading the manga. laugh.gif
RadicalDreamer
When did I notice about Royai ? Well, to be honest, they were one of the reason that motivated me to watch the entire anime... so I guess I shipped them from the very beginning. I just liked the little I saw of their relationship... and considering I loved a pairing like them before... I just kept drawing parallels... so to me, of course, Roy and Riza had a thing for each other (and the ending cut to the chase and proved me I was right... and then, there was Brotherhood and the manga which made Roy and Riza's connection stronger and more detailed *the first anime sucked for that, a lot of characters weren't developped much if at all*). When it comes to figuring out couples, I tend to be an expert. I rarely get misleaded for some reasons (except in the movie Paprika... it was the most unexpected hook up I have ever seen). What makes Royai hard to figure out at first is the fact that they're in the "subtle" category (and in the military, in a boss/subordinate relationship). But the pleasure/fun in subtle is that the characters don't show much so when they show something more, it's very meaningful and exciting... And also, I like discovering a story/pairing/character instead of having everything bluntly explained for me as if I was too stupid to understand. So yeah, subtlety rocks happy.gif.

The trouble is... I often seem to fall for pairings that don't get resolved for some reasons (and if they do, it's dissapointing... either because it's done too late and I doesn't care the same way or the writers just decided to do a sucky job *there is nothing worse than out-of-character characterization in CANON... leave that for fanfiction*) or they get together and then get separated (for obscure and/or stupid reasons sometimes... well take Shambala for example... after the tender royai scene in the last episode, the fact that the writers separated them in the movie was a bit of a WTH... but oh well... I guess we suffered less than poor Edwin fans, what the writers did was crual and stupid and I didn't even supported Edwin back then... and yeah, then I have the Escaflowne case in mind... how the ending frustrated me, you can't even imagine). Royai is one of them. But whatever, it was really worth the ride. And while they're not a couple in canon (yet)... at least, I firmly believe in them and their deep connection. They're not gonna leave each other and someday, I'm sure they will do something about their feelings (but I'm afraid that's something we're not likely to get in canon).
Reverine Methernlance
I agree with Hand-Made-City-san. The battle between Lust & Roy made it BLEEDING obvious.

The order i read/watched fma is kinda weird:
1st- i read the manga
2nd- i watched FMA Brotherhood
3rd- right now im watching the first FMA anime

So right now im watching the 1st FMA anime and theres a part that caught my attention. When Yoki ratted out Scar for an award and the military went to the Ishbal ghetto. Then Lust and Gluttony killed Yoki but made it look like someone 4rm the military shot him. *I think it's ep 32*

Then the Ishbalians get scared and start throwing rocks at the soldiers, and one of them hits Riza and she starts bleeding. When Roy sees this he kind of 'snaps'. Then he gets in front of her, to sheild her 4rm any further hits, says something about crowd control then says " And wipe that junk off your forehead" (something like that) in an angry voice

then i start thinking "would Roy have acted this way if Havoc or Brenda had been hit?"
I dont think he would have acted so sternly
And also Roy dosent hate the Ishbalians, because of the Civil War so i know he would not act aggressively if a random soldier was hit.

I think the only reason he became very crossed is because Riza was the 1 to get hit by a rock. (and bled)
Dark-Winds
For the question of the week.

Well, I watched the first anime first in 2006, and I don't think I really noticed Roy and Riza all that much, honestly. I think I got about half way through the anime, stopped and then started watching it again last summer and managed to finish the series. And I still didn't really care all too much about them. I think I thought that they could have been a possibility for a couple when the whole thing with King Bradley happened and Roy lost his eye or whatever, but I really just didn't care enough.

Then I started reading the manga that fall. Oh my goodness it was like opening a whole new world lol At the time EdxWinry was my favorite couple, so I was more focused around them. But I think I REALLY noticed that Roy and Riza could be a couple when the whole Lust incident happened wink.gif

It wasn't until after the series ended that I got really into them though lol Now they're my favorite couple ever! =)
FMAobsessed
Oh boy a question I can finally answer without any hesitation.

I started with the FMA manga first. I wasn't even reading the manga online. But my brother bought me the first two volumes of the manga. I remember reading in the first volume where we first meet Roy and Riza during the train hijacking and how everything was so formal. But then the quote "behind every great man is a great woman." And I thought Colonel Mustang is a man with power, and I bet that Lt. Hawkeye is important to him because she is right there with him. And there talk about the hijacking just seemed to suggest two people who have worked with each other for so long, that they just know each other.

So the gears in my fangirl heart began to turn a little. Then in volume two, during the Scar fight where Riza trips Roy and calls him uselss really cemented it for me. Because in my mind there was no way a Lt. could call her commanding officer useless and get away with it. And it was the way Roy reacted to her calling him useless too. I think that if it was anyone else, he would have gotten angry. But Riza calling him useless made it seem like he really valued how she thought of him. Like they were a team.

And then obviously more an more moments turn up in the manga, and it just became even more obvious. But what I really love about their relationship, is that it isn't about two people finding their love for one another. Instead it is two people who know they love each other and make a whole. And two people who would sacrifice themselves for the others dreams and life without any hesitation. Well that is my two cents anyways.
RoyxRizaFan
IT WAS ANIME BOSTON, 2007.

*cue dramatic music*

This AMV won for best romance, and I was watching it with my friends at the masquerade. At the time, I was about two volumes into FMA. I was already a fan of Riza's simply because I was so excited to see a female officer in a shounen manga, but was surprised when I saw the two of them paired in the AMV. I turned to my friend and was like, "They're canon?"
"Sort of."
"But...she's so cool, and he's so stupid!"
"They're pretty cute together, actually."

After that I was curious and kept my eyes peeled for any subtle indication that my friend was right and this unlikely pair was, in fact, compatible. I was looking so closely from the very beginning that I immediately picked up on everything and eagerly searched for more and more confirmation. I was interested in the pairing because I was curious about how two seemingly very different people were attracted to one another and honestly, it was only a mere matter of chapters after that that I was convinced. The scene at Hughes' grave and all the ones after it had me sold...

So I was already a believer at that point but, like everyone else said, the Barry the Chopper scene and the Riza vs. Gluttony/Roy vs. Lust made me see that, perhaps, I wasn't the only one who had their heart set on those two getting together, and that it really was possible!! happy.gif

Then I went and watched the entirety of the first anime and was like, ".......That's it?"

@ Dark-Wings - Thanks for sharing that! I hope someone translates it soon, because I'm really curious about what it says XD
jacksparrow589
Time for another question! This one's a little harder, I think.

If Roy and Riza lived in the present day (and in our world, not the FMA world), what do you think they'd be doing for jobs? ("Bonus points" for not choosing the military!)

I think Roy would be a lawyer or something similar. He's one smart guy, and as much as he likes action, he also likes justice. (And I can't see him being a cop or anything for some reason.)

Riza... that's difficult. I feel like she'd co-own and operate a bookshop. Or she'd be a teacher, but I wouldn't subject her to that, because I feel that teachers are often looked down upon/disrespected. (At least, in the U.S.)
Reverine Methernlance
jacksparrow-san u come up with very good question! I always have to think really hard in order to answer them. Great questions!! >w<

I can picture Riza being a vet for some reason
Lightning Flame Alchemist
hi peoples! im new to this site smile.gif

well, i reckon Riza would be one of those dog trainers. but im not sure about roy.....
Reverine Methernlance
Hello and welcome Lightning Flame Alchemist-san!!! >w<
A Pierrot's Aria
Lightning Flame Alchemist Welcome to the Royai thread!

I can also imagine Roy being a lawyer, but I could also imagine him being a politician (a none corrupt one!). He'd be the one out there trying to make a real difference. wink.gif

As for Riza, I could imagine her being a teacher or maybe a secretary. laugh.gif
RadicalDreamer
QUOTE
As for Riza, I could imagine her being a teacher or maybe a secretary.


Or a doctor. Not the medical kind. It's because Riza is so practical. I can see her into sciency stuff (and books). Or she could be a doctor doctor, but it's just that Winry is the one I could really see into that kind of job (and her parents were doctors).

I agree about Roy. A lawyer (like Phoenix Wright/Miles Edgeworth lol) or a non corrupted politician.

But I think I still could see those 2 in the military. It's just... real military (the US one at least) is more strict than the one we see in FMA (or maybe there is the same non fraternization thing in FMA... but Arakawa chose to not mention it *as if it was necessary... the military was completely corrupted in the story anyway*) and if we are to imagine them in an alternate life, I would like them to be happy, you know, not in a forbidden relationship. They suffered enough already.
jacksparrow589
QUOTE (RadicalDreamer @ Jan 17 2011, 10:23 AM) *
But I think I still could see those 2 in the military. It's just... real military (the US one at least) is more strict than the one we see in FMA (or maybe there is the same non fraternization thing in FMA... but Arakawa chose to not mention it *as if it was necessary... the military was completely corrupted in the story anyway*) and if we are to imagine them in an alternate life, I would like them to be happy, you know, not in a forbidden relationship. They suffered enough already.


I totally didn't think of that! Good point! (And really, I think they could be in the military, too--I just didn't want people to cop out and say it. tongue.gif )

Lightning Flame Alchemist--Welcome! Riza as a dog-trainer would certainly be interesting... (I mean that in a good way, of course!)

Reverine Methernlace and A Pierrot's Aria--Roy as a non-corrupt politician sounds pretty good! I almost put that down, but I just feel like he'd have more fun being a lawyer for some reason. biggrin.gif

(Side note to Reverine Methernlace: I think my questions are absolutely boring, to be honest. ^^; And if anyone has their own Royai question of the week, please, put it up! The way this quarter's going, I don't know that I'll be able to keep up the, ahem, "quality" of these questions.)
Mustanghawk
Hi everyone! =)
I haven't been here since summer (or maybe fall... i don't remember) so i am quite outside about what are you talking about now ^^' you have some kind of question-answer thing going on here? (that's only thing i caughct...)
A Pierrot's Aria
Mustanghawk That's right- feel free to give us any answers you like, and you can even ask questions too! And welcome back!

Out of interest, yesterday I "pretended to be Roy", so to speak, and did a personality type test; a lot of things the result said were actually really true of Roy. If anyone's interested, it would be interesting to see if people get the same result as me; it would be interesting to see if we all have the same interpretation to his (and Riza's) character, or different ones. (I'll post the link to the quiz if anyone's interested in comparing notes. tongue.gif)
jacksparrow589
Mustanghawk--Welcome back! A Pierrot's Aria seems to have explained things thoroughly (not that much explanation is needed, I hope!), so... yeah. Please join in if you have questions and/or answers!

A Pierrot's Aria--If it means I don't have to come up with another question for next week, I'm in! tongue.gif (This would probably generate far better discussion than anything I'm thinking of, anyway.)
A Pierrot's Aria
Heheh! tongue.gif

This is the quiz.

For Roy I got ENTJ type. And these extracts stuck out for me:

"ENTJs are natural born leaders. They live in a world of possibilities where they see all sorts challenges to be surmounted, and they want to be the ones responsible for surmounting them. They have a drive for leadership, which is well-served by their quickness to grasp complexities, their ability to absorb a large amount of impersonal information, and their quick and decisive judgments. They are "take charge" people."

"ENTJs are very career-focused"

"The ENTJ has a tremendous amount of personal power and presence which will work for them as a force towards achieving their goals."

But there were some other points I was a little dubious about....

And it also says that ideal jobs for ENTJs are:
-Management in Business or Education
-Politics
-Military Education
-Finance
jacksparrow589
For Roy, I got ENFJ, and I think that he walks a pretty fine line between F and T for the third one, so I'm not surprised. I don't think I can accurately summarize what I found online, but the "title" of the ENFJ is pretty telling "The Giver".

Not that Roy's a door mat or anything--I just think he deals fairly well with most people, but he's also very calculating, so, like I said, I was walking the line between ENFJ and ENTJ with him.

One of the jobs listed was "lawyer/attorney", so all is not lost! I didn't completely get him all wrong! biggrin.gif
A Pierrot's Aria
I just read the profile of an ENFJ and I have to say, I think it seems to fit, especially on the aspect of emotion; on the result I got it suggested that ENTJs don't really get tuned into people's feelings which I don't think is true of Roy- I think some of the things on my result were a little too harsh for him but seemed to be spot on where reaching goals was concerned.

So I agree that there seems to be a mixture of the two going on, but I think that overall, ENFJ is more accurate.

Here are some extracts of ENFJ

"ENFJs are the benevolent 'pedagogues' of humanity. They have tremendous charisma by which many are drawn into their nurturant tutelage and/or grand schemes. Many ENFJs have tremendous power to manipulate others with their phenomenal interpersonal skills and unique salesmanship. But it's usually not meant as manipulation -- ENFJs generally believe in their dreams, and see themselves as helpers and enablers, which they usually are."

"ENFJs know and appreciate people. Like most NFs, (and Feelers in general), they are apt to neglect themselves and their own needs for the needs of others."

ENFJ Profile
MustangSally
I can see Roy as a lawyer, definitely. A crusading lawyer, or yes a non-corrupt do-gooder politician. Those are so "Roy", I can even think up anything else. smile.gif

I can actually see Riza as a cop. Which is funny because it kind of switches up the typical male cop/female lawyer romantic equation of so many tv shows/movies. smile.gif But I really can see her as a cop.
Lightning Flame Alchemist
hmmm yeh, roy as a politician tongue.gif but a lawyer? :| i don't really think so smile.gif

and thanks for the warm welcomes ^___^

i swear this thread moves along too fast :|
Turdaewen
Welcome, Lightning Flame Alchemist!! ^^

Hey!! You're making the Myers-Briggs personality test?? cool! lol It doesn't mean much, but it's very fun to take!! lol

I would think Riza would be a INTJ, as weird as it might seem for the N... But I have a reason to do so: although Riza is a very practical person, she is an idealistic driven one. Sensitive people would not follow some crazy dream with no real prospects, they only follow (or mainly follow) things that are factual, they don't believe in theories, in ideas, in dreams...
The other categories I think are self-explanatory, in her case.

I would say that Roy would be a ENFP, although not always an E. Extroverted people are usually open people, who say what they think and feel and, more than anything else, are able to establish connections easily with the outside world more than with their "internal one". (and I know that because I am an E myself) and as "outgoing" as Roy may be, that doesn't mean he's actually "Extroverted". There are those introverted people who are extremely outgoing, but that don't "connect" easily with others and are not very open to their thoughts and ideas...

This categories are not exactly appearance driven, they are more on a "decision making" (and that's why internet tests are not effective to pinpoint your Type) and, in that sense, Roy can be an I just as strongly as an E.
The N, I think, it's self-explanatory, but the F... Again, this is a "decision making" test and, so, Roy is not rational when it comes to decision making. He's strategic, alright, but his decisions are emotional driven, has always been. He took Ed in the military emotionally, have tried to kill Envy emotionally, has even decided to become Führer due to emotion.
He's smart, of course, but his motivations are emotional.


But I personally don't believe much in this test, cause these things change! They put in a category as if you'll act like that all the time, for the rest of your life, but it's not like that. I've changed categories in this test like a hundred times, depending on my situation and disposition. My relationship with my BF, for example, made me change to a more S person, and studying Philosophy makes me be more of a N person... And I might be an E, but I have many "I moments". (and I mean MANY, like, at least once a day)...
So, it's like only a fun thing to do, but it's not by any means determinant.
A Pierrot's Aria
^I don't believe much in the test either because I think some of the questions are too black and white, among the other reasons you have listed; I agree entirely with what you say- but it is fun to take and I'd thought it'd be interesting nonetheless. tongue.gif Kinda like those silly tests to see what element you are and all that jazz, haha!

It's interesting how we're getting similar-ish results- everyone's input seems to be narrowing it down (I think I was too harsh with some questions tongue.gif But it is interesting to see how people are answering them according to how they think Roy/Riza would.)

Good thinking for Riza, too!
Turdaewen
QUOTE (A Pierrot's Aria @ Jan 18 2011, 11:21 AM) *
^I don't believe much in the test either because I think some of the questions are too black and white, among the other reasons you have listed; I agree entirely with what you say- but it is fun to take and I'd thought it'd be interesting nonetheless. tongue.gif Kinda like those silly tests to see what element you are and all that jazz, haha!

It's interesting how we're getting similar-ish results- everyone's input seems to be narrowing it down (I think I was too harsh with some questions tongue.gif But it is interesting to see how people are answering them according to how they think Roy/Riza would.)

Good thinking for Riza, too!

Yeah, it is fun ^^

And it can be useful for fanfics as well... ^^ But since my bf is a therapist, I tend to be a little demanding on that area... lol

What I thought was funny is that, in my analysis, Roy and Riza are practically opposites, aside from both being Intuitives, which, in fact, is quite close to reality, I think: what unite them is their dream and goal, but they have nearly opposite tempers... sorta complementary! lol
jacksparrow589
Turdaewen--You're aliiiive! smile.gif It's been so long since I've seen you post! Riza as an INTJ sounds perfectly logical to me.

I think that it's more of a spectrum. Saying you're one or the other, but not by how much, really skews your perception of people. For instance, I'm an ENTP. Fits me pretty nicely most of the time, but I can also be an INTP or an ENFP.

There was another personality test my mom had us take for fun--the "True Colors" test--that creates an order out of orange, yellow, green, and blue. (I was mostly green, then blue, then yellow, then orange, not that this will mean anything if you don't know.) While it does do the classification thing, it takes into account by how much you are of each color, relative to the others. Depending on a lot of factors, sometimes, a trait from your least dominant color presents.

Granted, this can change over time just as easily as the Myers-Briggs, but I felt it gave me a more accurate read on myself.
Turdaewen
Yay! \o/ It's good to be back! ^^

ANY personality tests can change, actually, cause, when it comes to psychological behavior, there actually no real categorization. Even to a person who's said to be insane or an schizophrenic or psychopath... (I mean, Van Gogh was considered to be a schizophrenic, for example, and yet, he's one of the biggest geniuses of painting) A test can never fully understand a person and, even in extreme cases, an experience or a relationship that that person has can change everything. In a sense, "if everyone is different, what can be considered 'normal' or 'sane'?"

Sometimes, labeling someone can be a bad thing, cause people change and everyone sees differently. Each person has their own dynamics, so these labels only exist to help in studying and understanding the psyche, but, in modern psychology, should never be taken into account in practice.
A Pierrot's Aria
Gosh, I never expected nor meant for us to go into deep psychological analysis...tongue.gif I just wanted to see if we answered the questions similarly. laugh.gif

Time for a really non-serious, silly, strange, random question to lighten the mood: What kind of drunks do you think Roy and Riza would make? And what kind of booze would they be drinking? laugh.gif

Roy, I'd imagine would be a very down if he was drunk alone. But not before he tells everyone around him how much he loves them. laugh.gif Then again, particularly when Hughes was alive, I could imagine them getting drunk together being the jovial drunks that sing together as they're walking home. I'm being influenced by the anime and manga here, but I can only imagine him drinking Whiskey/Brandy and similar drinks, as well as beer.

Riza- it's too hard to imagine her getting drunk. But if she ever did, I'd imagine she'd be a quiet, sleepy drunk...On the other hand, I think it could cause a fun side to come out; I could also imagine her up there on the dance floor. I could see Riza drinking wine- I think she's elegant like that.

Remember, you don't have to be too serious when approaching these questions- even think of it as if they were getting completely sloshed one night, what would you imagine they'd be like?
Turdaewen
I guess that Riza would be the sort of "non-drunk" drunk. The one that keeps to herself so that noone actually notices she's drunk. But, at the same time, I don't see Riza getting drunk, either. She seems like the kind of person who's self controlled enough to stop drinking before getting drunk. Like those people who only got drunk once in their lifetime and got smart enough to know their limit and not wanting to going over it again. She's definitely a social/for the taste drinker, not quantity.

But I don't think Roy is that recurrent drunk people tend to put in fanfics, either. I see him as an occasional drunk, since he's probably so used to drinking, its actually not that easy to make him drunk. But, it depends... The FMA 1 Roy drinks to forget, the manga one doesn't seem to: he's more of a bar drinker. I don't think he would be much different while drunk than he normally is... maybe just a little more nostalgic, maybe, or more prone to spurt out things. I guess we can say he's the sort of "serious drunk"... but not depressed, I think depressed would be only the FMA 1 Roy.
A Pierrot's Aria
"Non-drunk" drunk! I like it! laugh.gif I can still imagine a party animal waiting to get out. I don't imagine her getting drunk that often (maybe just once ever, as you say,) but I can still imagine if she ever did get drunk, that she'd 'let her hair down' because I don't think she's as stern as some people think she is...(But thats just me!)

I see where you're getting at with Roy; perhaps depressed is too strong a word where Manga!Roy is concerned, but I think if he would even feel a little down, you know, due to memories and all that jazz- but this would be if he was drinking alone, which I don't see Roy doing, really. I've never seen him as a recurrent drunk either- a lot of fanfics portray him as some sort of promiscuous drunkard...I've never thought that to be the case. wink.gif

Touching on what I said before, I think Roy would also be a cheery drunk when with close friends- I can just imagine the whole of Mustang's team with arms around each other's shoulders, singing as they stumble down the streets of Central. (excluding Riza if my party animal idea doesn't catch on! Haha! (JK) laugh.gif in a situation like that I see her as the disgruntled designated driver who secretly smiles and Roy looking temporarily so carefree/drunk. xD)
Turdaewen
Actually, to be perfectly honest, I think people over do Roy's "guilty mode" in terms of Ishval in fanfics. It's not that he doesn't feel guilty about it, but I don't think it's something that makes his sleep disfunctional as well. That's just something to "make a plot out of", you know??
So, of course he's hurt, and feels guilty and responsible and all of that, but it seems as if he has learned to accept that this is what he is and that he has to keep on working in spite of it, and maybe even because of it.
So, like Arakawa said "He hasn't given up". I feel as if Roy has come in terms with his past. (which doesn't mean he's not hurt or that he ignores it)


And it's funny: I don't see Riza as a stern person, like, at all! I can't see her "steaming out" because I think she doesn't need to. I can see her taking a break from work to chat and have tea with the rest of the office just as well. That's just what she is. She's a pain to Roy because he's a slacker, but it's not like she's always "making people work". That's a stereotype of Riza, I think.

That's why I think she's more of a calm drinker, but I don't see her as a puritan, either. She's just quiet... and likes it.
A Pierrot's Aria
^I agree, some people definitely do overdo Roy being guilty. (I never once meant to make out as if he's some depressed pile of self pity. laugh.gif)

And fair enough. wink.gif I see what you mean- I just don't see her sitting there being boring if she were to get a little inebriated. For me a "wild party animal" for Riza would be at least a little dance like I mentioned primarily. laugh.gif I know a lot of people who are reserved in nature but like to get up for a dance when they're drunk. And to me being "wild" is dancing! I don't drink so that's as far as I can think- yes, I am a boring git. tongue.gif

Turdaewen
Actually, I don't think Riza would have to drink to dance... I can see her dancing, normally. And liking clothes and putting on make up...

I mean, she's in the military and, even while at uniform, she wears earings! And while in civil clothes, she's always dressed up. So I think she's reserved, but vain as well.

So that's exactly my point! I don't see why Riza would act any differently than Winry, for example. Winry yells at Ed even more than Riza with Roy, but she's vain, and care for clothes and wears perfume... And, for me, Riza is the same. It's not because she takes her job seriously that she's not feminine and even girly, sometimes.
A Pierrot's Aria
^I'm not putting myself across very clearly, am I? I apologise. ^^; I wasn't suggesting that she's not feminine just because I can imagine her dancing when drunk; in fact, I agree with you, I actually think that Riza is very feminine- it's silly how a lot of people always insist she's some sort of tomboy. laugh.gif I could see her doing slower types of dances if she was sober...unsure.gif I could definitely imagine her doing ballet, especially when she was younger. smile.gif
Turdaewen
Nah, I wasn't talking about you, specifically. ^^ I get what you mean...

I just think she's a lot more "ok" than most people think she is. And that kinda ticks me, because they usually portray Riza as being this control freak who won't "let herself go". And I think she's more of a normal woman than people give her credit for.
A Pierrot's Aria
Oooh, you got me thinking "did I say something like that?" laugh.gif But I get and agree with you. I think Arakawa's women are wonderful, and Riza is certainly no exception. happy.gif I realise the answer to my question seems odd, but I was seriously just trying to come up with some fun answers that I could kinda see happening. But like I said, you always come up with amazing insights.

Touching on the previous post, I've always thought this image to be awesome- It's anime-1, but Riza looks so beautiful in it (well, she does any time! wink.gif ). I'm sure people have already got it in their collections though. tongue.gif




Turdaewen
I didn't have it in hq! ^^ And is indeed pretty nice XD
A Pierrot's Aria
@Turdaewen I didn't either until a while ago...I only had a cam pic of it. So I'm glad I found this one. biggrin.gif


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@xUltimate Shieldx You know, I could actually imagine Roy working in a flower shop for some reason. o.o
xUltimate_Shieldx
To answer the question of the week:

Hm... that's hard. Riza would definitely be a cop or something. She'd catch people like there was no tomorrow xD

As for Roy... that's harder. I feel if he couldn't be in the military he'd be something really random... like run a flower shop. I think he'd have a lot of fun doing that. And he'd always pester everyone who came in and try to give them love/dating advice xD
Dark-Winds
QUOTE (xUltimate_Shieldx @ Jan 18 2011, 05:06 PM) *
To answer the question of the week:

Hm... that's hard. Riza would definitely be a cop or something. She'd catch people like there was no tomorrow xD

As for Roy... that's harder. I feel if he couldn't be in the military he'd be something really random... like run a flower shop. I think he'd have a lot of fun doing that. And he'd always pester everyone who came in and try to give them love/dating advice xD



Lol YES.

Riza would totally be a cop. But Roy would deffinatly do something silly like working in a flower shop xD ANd he'd give the women who came in free flowers, flirt with them and ask them out to dinner or something xD
StormGoddess
Since I couldn't picture Riza being drunk, I'll just answer the other question XD

I also see Roy as a politician, and an honest one, while Riza, err, laugh at me but I think she'd make a good newscaster/reporter/broadcast journalist. I think she's the kind of woman who has discipline and can put up a composed façade when in front of an audience, plus her intellect and dedication to whatever she does. happy.gif And she's good-looking too.

But the truth is, that answer was influenced by one of my RL OTPs. laugh.gif
A Pierrot's Aria
^A reporter is a good idea, I think, as long as she's reporting it on TV and being unbiased (like I think she would be) But I couldn't see her being a Newspaper journalist; this is just my opinion but I think that would be too dishonest for Riza, mind you, I think I'm just influenced by the fact that I just don't like the media. laugh.gif I know you didn't suggest a newspaper/tabloid journalist but I just thought I'd put it out there. laugh.gif
GhyZe
Ooh, I'm sorry to disturb you all...
I'm newbie here and one of RoyxRiza fans...
thank you for all of your great comments about them.. ^^


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At what point in the story did you seriously start to think that there's something between Roy and Riza? (Could be during the manga or either anime.)


I don't know why...when they're together and 'team up', it's so interesting that I can't hide my feelings for them, they're an unusual pairing, there's something different about 'em and I really like it very much.
I'm barely really aware that they can be a great couple when I almost reached the ending of the anime series..
A Pierrot's Aria
Aaaaw, don't worry, you're not disturbing anyone- everyone's welcome! Welcome to the board and the Royai thread, GhyZe!

I realise I haven't answered the above question yet...
I first started to like Royai when I saw the funeral scene. Although I didn't think much of it in anime-1, I definitely started liking it more when I read the manga. That scene, I think, shows the substance and essence of their relationship; in that it portrays what a deep understanding they have of each other.
jacksparrow589
GhyZe--Welcome to the board! We're always glad to have you! smile.gif

Wow, you guys posted a lot since I was on last!

Turdaewen--It's a guilty pleasure of mine to put more angst into Royai than there probably is. I try not to do it too often, but if I didn't do it at least occasionally, I wouldn't have anything to write about!

Anyway, I agree with Riza not being incredibly uptight and/or a tomboy. She's really quite a normal woman. (And I can definitely see her as a "non-drunk" drunk. She'd probably be so high-functioning it would scare everyone else sober. laugh.gif But, you're right, she probably wouldn't let herself get drunk.)

As for Roy's drinking habits, I know we've had this conversation before, and I whole-heartedly agree with the "occasional drinker"/"serious but not emo drunk" people.
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