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black~hayate
OMG THE RING.
Nice nice. No, I have no clue what middle finger rings mean in Japan.
I only know that since I'm in Prague, tons of Royai are coming our way and I miss it kinda all. First the extra Royai scene, then the ring.
Well, I bet Riza and Winry get the boquet at THE SAME TIME.
angelofsarcasm89
I like the idea of both of them missing the bouquet and Hayate fetching it for Riza. tongue.gif

*Totally not pimping a new fanfic chapter*
Tian Ai
I wonder if Roy gave her that ring as a gift smile.gif And how much persuasion it would have taken for her to wear it.
Or maybe someone else gave it to her. Then she shows up one day wearing it and he immediately panics and checks if it's her ring finger. biggrin.gif

SneakyRuler
Heh, even if Riza doesn't catch it, she and Roy can still get married first. Yeah, that's how awesome they are. They can marry without relying on traditions. Side note: Al shouldn't be wearing red, it doesn't suit him laugh.gif

@black~hayate You're in PRAGUE? Really? How do you like it here?
FailToImpress
^The bow tie is so cute on Al though! haha.
I don't think the ring on Riza's finger really means anything, lots of people wear rings with no meaning... It's a plain ring, I do imagine Riza likes jewellery, just nothing too fancy.
Flamez_Freak
I never liked this thread to start with . . Cause i never liked royai . . But now after reading a few posts on this , i'm starting to get addicted to it . I read this thread everyday . . . But this is my first post here . . . . Hope its the first of many . . .
Turdaewen
QUOTE (FailToImpress @ May 18 2010, 07:51 AM) *
^The bow tie is so cute on Al though! haha.
I don't think the ring on Riza's finger really means anything, lots of people wear rings with no meaning... It's a plain ring, I do imagine Riza likes jewellery, just nothing too fancy.

Like me, for example! I always wear a ring for no other reason than I like it. XD
My mother gave me a plain, white gold ring as a high school graduation gift (which kinda looks like a wedding ring) and I wear it on my ring finger practically every time I leave out the door. And I'm not married, nor engaged or anything of the sort.

So, using a ring, even if it's plain and without rocks, like wedding rings, doesn't mean that you're married (or engaged). As a tradition, in fact, wedding rings are supposed to be only made of gold, so, silver, copper or iron rings are not used as wedding rings.

Btw, in Portuguese we have two different words for rings: "anel" (for an ordinary, every day ring) and "alianša" (the actual 'commitment' ring, of every sort. Engagements, marriage, or even just plain relationships)
It's kinda nice, to have different names, cause it helps us to make out the difference in meaning, too. ^^ We kinda used to think of "anel" and "alianša" as two completely different things.


And welcome fma_milan_freak! Hope you like it here XD We mainly discuss Royai and Royai related stuff, but you'll see, it's loads of fun, even though you may not like the couple. Who knows! Maybe we can make you end up liking it! lol
jacksparrow589
I know "anel" is similar to the Spanish "anillo", but I don't think I ever learned (in my 11 years of Spanish classes) if there is a separate word for a commitment ring. I also noted that that "alianša" is similar (in spelling, if not meaning) to "alliance" in English. Pretty political term when you're talking about marriage! tongue.gif (Although, with Royai, it's kind of fitting, I think.)

Oh well. Whatever the reason she wears it, it's fun to guess.

And welcome, fma_milan_freak! Glad to see we might be able to change people's minds!
Kale Mustang
Regarding Riza and the ring, I think it's mostly just an accessory, nothing else. One of my cousins used to wear a silver ring on his middle finger (left hand) as just an accessory so again, there doesn't have to be a hidden meaning for it.

I personally wear rubber bands on my right wrist (usually whenever I have to take apart something that had a rubber band on it) as a habit.
Turdaewen
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ May 18 2010, 12:41 PM) *
I know "anel" is similar to the Spanish "anillo", but I don't think I ever learned (in my 11 years of Spanish classes) if there is a separate word for a commitment ring. I also noted that that "alianša" is similar (in spelling, if not meaning) to "alliance" in English. Pretty political term when you're talking about marriage! tongue.gif (Although, with Royai, it's kind of fitting, I think.)

Actually, it IS the same word as alliance, but not in the sense you may be thinking. ^^ In Portuguese, alliance can be said about anything of a pact, a commitment, not only on ther political sense. XD
Kaori Ayanami
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ May 18 2010, 01:25 PM) *
In Portuguese, alliance can be said about anything of a pact, a commitment, not only on ther political sense. XD

Same as for "alianza" in Spanish.
As for the wedding ring, it can be both "alianza" or "anillo matrimonial" (wedding ring). OK, I'll stop it here. ^^U

It's a tease, I insist. We will not know for a long while what that ring meant. XD
Flamez_Freak
Thanks guys . . Especially turdawaen and jacksparrow . . . I don't think you guys should do much , i may have started liking royai already . . So , can anyone tell me what we are discussing about .
FailToImpress
^Hi! biggrin.gif
Always nice to see new faces here.
Tian Ai
Hey, fma_milan_freak biggrin.gif I've seen you on other parts of the board. We're a friendly crowd, so enjoy your stay!
We've been discussing a particular fan art that Gimpyhair posted:
http://www.fullmetal-alchemist.com/forums/...st&p=731468

Awhile back, we carried on quite the discussion about the possibility of Roy's one night stands and the mechanisms of Riza's boobs.
But don't worry, we talk about normal stuff too. Like possibilities for upcoming chapters/episodes, the future of both individuals, and such. smile.gif
jacksparrow589
I've only really ever known "alliance" as a politically slanted term, though I know it is essentially just a pact. Maybe it's a cultural thing? (Or maybe I'm just messed up...)

Hey, cool! More Spanish to add to my vocabulary!

Tian Ai--And here I'd just gotten the boobs discussion out of my head. Now I won't stop laughing for another week. Way to go. tongue.gif
Kale Mustang
Guess I missed out on Gimpy's comic...I'll check it out later.

And anyways, the random conversations we've had regarding Riza's boobs/butt, Roy and one-night stands, were R&R intimate before Ishval...or if they were both teenagers at the time he was studying at her house, then while he was in her house... They're just as much fun as commenting about some fanart/production art.

Oh and jacksparrow589, don't forget about the 'Roy wearing a miniskirt' discussion as well. wink.gif
jacksparrow589
Kale--I KNEW someone would do that! I wasn't gonna mention it! It was at the back of my head, but I wasn't going to say a thing... Okay, I will be laughing for two weeks, thanks very much! laugh.gif
Turdaewen
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ May 18 2010, 07:56 PM) *
Oh and jacksparrow589, don't forget about the 'Roy wearing a miniskirt' discussion as well. wink.gif

Oh, no!! ^^ BAD mental image!! sad.gif I just got back from recovering from last time... XD


But funny thing how we, somehow, always get back into discussing Riza's body, being her butt, boobs, thighs... laugh.gif
Tian Ai
I like to think they were the cute pair of kids that the parents hoped were going to end up together when Roy was studying with Hawkeye. Even when she got older, at her dad's funeral, she seemed like the shy, innocent cute-girl type smile.gif Ishval sure toughened her up.
But yeah, that was my inspiration for the gaiden.

I'm so curious as to what's to become of them in chapter 108. ph34r.gif
We'll probably see them fighting some more, concluding the battle?
There's probably going to be a time leap, right? Like "10 years later"?
Then hopefully we see Roy who's become closer, if not already, to becoming Fuhrer. Together with his faithful subordinates smile.gif

And then... closure for Royai?! biggrin.gif
angelofsarcasm89
QUOTE (Tian Ai @ May 18 2010, 09:36 PM) *
There's probably going to be a time leap, right? Like "10 years later"?
Then hopefully we see Roy who's become closer, if not already, to becoming Fuhrer. Together with his faithful subordinates smile.gif

And their kids. >.>

...And a herd of puppies, too.
Tian Ai
Hey guys, this isn't my fanart, but it's so cute biggrin.gif

Click to view attachment

Sadly, I don't think they'd get married in the visible spectrum of FMA... but who knows!!
rinoaebastel
@Tian Ai aw so lovely the art smile.gifsmile.gif sigh I miss drawing >.<

wow, I was geting really confused right now, I just saw anillos, alianzas, rings and miniskirts and I lost track. Seems that my exams melt my brain xD. Finaly we know what's the riza's ring meaning?.

About 108...I think it maybe will have a little epiloge... ┐ someone know when is the exact date of release? Im becoming nervous again sigh
FailToImpress
QUOTE (Tian Ai @ May 19 2010, 03:36 AM) *
There's probably going to be a time leap, right? Like "10 years later"?
Then hopefully we see Roy who's become closer, if not already, to becoming Fuhrer. Together with his faithful subordinates smile.gif


I would cry buckets for weeks on end if this happened. Heck, I'll cry buckets anyway since it's the last chapter but I care about Roy and his subordinates as a group the most out of any of the characters, so anything dramatic happening to them will make it for me. But most of all I want to know what happens to Roy, and as my favourite character I want him to have closure!

Anyone else still thinking about how the 5th OP relates to the ending? We've already had spoilers within it, Roy being blind (although really if you didn't know what happened I don't think you'd guess from the opening), truth and the 5 sacrifices, and there's even been drawings taken from the last few chapters amongst other things.

I'm only really mentioning this because of the part where Riza is crying, and I wonder, if at all, it will fit into this. It may just be that Riza, like Winry and indeed Wrath crying, are simply motifs for the theme of rain in this opening... I'm probably just being overly suspicious of it (and I hope that I am wrong) but it's still strange. Maybe she's just upset over what happened to Roy. Who knows.
Michiyo-
@Tian Ai: That fanart is very cute, thanks for sharing it!

@rinoaebastel: It's easy to remember, the exact release date of Gangan is June 11, Royai Day. biggrin.gif

But most likely we'll get preview pages a few days earlier, so we we can hold a double celebration, Royai Festival and the end of the manga.
And I'm sure the ending will be positive. wink.gif
Tian Ai
FailToImpress - I've been thinking about it, too. But it's a little bit unnerving because Riza seems like the type that seldom cries. Even when Roy went blind, she took it coolly and devoted herself to helping him to the best of her ability.

This means something really, really bad must have happened...? ph34r.gif But we're already on the final chapter... what kind of drastic tragedy can happen now? Besides Roy dying? No waaaay.
Hagaren_4ever
I think the fact that everyone takes the littlest details and makes thousands of theories about them is hilarious. I freakin' love you guys. laugh.gif

Like when I read about the poster wear Riza happens to be wearing a ring, and it's not even on the right finger to mean anything. So funny.

Anyways, I'm sure that Riza crying in the opening didn't mean squat. I wouldn't rely on it anyways. Lots of people have tried to get spoilers out of the openings and have failed. Wrath hasn't cried, and I don't think Winry will cry, (unless it's tears of joy). Plus, I find it highly improbable that Roy will die. Haha, Ed owes him money!
angelofsarcasm89
Yeah, I think the crying is just to add more drama to the OP, and not a hint specifically at what's going to happen. Remember how the third OP showed Riza burying the Ishvalen boy and we just now got that scene a few weeks ago?
Flamez_Freak
You people are really awesome smile.gif Thanks for such a hearty welcome smile.gif
oh well . . Bones is a huge fan of royai and royxriza as well . . . They ship it a lot . . . Especially in brotherhood . . Which is a good thing , for royxriza fans . . Winks wink.gif
rinoaebastel
@Michiyo- oh....interesting coincidence....ummm thanks biggrin.gif
Tian Ai
QUOTE
Yeah, I think the crying is just to add more drama to the OP

QUOTE
Plus, I find it highly improbable that Roy will die. Haha, Ed owes him money!

Hmm, good points guys. I'm happy to accept them because how on earth would we accept Roy's death on top of the end of FMA?! Blasphemy.

I almost forgot about the 520 cenz promise! We have to see that fulfilled! smile.gif
What if Ed borrows more money and tells Roy, "I'll return this to you when you propose to her (wink)" biggrin.gif <3
FailToImpress
Yeah, I think the 520 cenz promise is a really big thing, it means so much. Arakawa didn't include that for no reason.

I do think that Riza/Winry/Wrath crying are just motifs for the opening theme, it's still something to think about. smile.gif
Nagareboshi
QUOTE (Tian Ai @ May 19 2010, 07:38 AM) *
This means something really, really bad must have happened...? ph34r.gif But we're already on the final chapter... what kind of drastic tragedy can happen now? Besides Roy dying? No waaaay.


I don't think Roy or Riza will die. The both of them have already had a very close brush with death, so there wouldn't be any point in having them survive it only to die now. That would be downright cruel.

As for the opening, very rarely do they ever contain spoilers so I'm not too worried about a tragic ending for Roy or Riza.
Turdaewen
I think I'll 'incarnate' Tombow for a moment here and say "You guys are reading too much into it"

- Riza wearing a ring doesn't mean squat. XD
- It's just an opening and the directors didn't even know back then what would be FMA's ending (Yasuhiro himself only got the final chapter like a month ago) so there's no way they would put 'hints' about it.


And about Roy and Riza not getting married... who knows! Me, myself I would have never pictured something like what happened between Ryuukou and Rin Mei in Juushin Enbu/Hero Tales to ever happen in an Arakawa manga! But it did!
So, I wouldn't doubt Riza and Roy to be a married couple.

I mean, I'm sure that, if they indeed get married and have kids, it won't be all "girly/kiwi" kind of way. It would be like happens in real life, like everything else in this manga. (somewhat like Bradley and his wife, maybe?)
FailToImpress
I can see them getting married at some point, but not in the same timeline as their military careers as it just wouldn't allow it, same goes for having children. Unless, something happens that allows them to be married, and even then I think Riza would have a hard time giving up the military to have a baby. I'd imagine though that she'd have to have a baby in the near future, for it to go well. I know Riza is hardly old, but still.

Or, you know, I can see them living quite happily without children. smile.gif
jacksparrow589
Turdaewen--But half the fun is freaking out over every little thing! Not that I think either of them will die at this point--that just wouldn't work.

I'd just like to see them together somehow in the end, whether or not it involves marriage and/or children. It'd be pretty interesting to see a Royai child, though, I gotta admit.

Tian Ai--Thanks for sharing that fanart! It's cute!
Turdaewen
Well, actually, as of now, Riza's no longer a military, remember?
She deserted it. XD

Unless she goes back after all things are over and gets reinstated, she's no longer a military. ^_~


Moreover, non fraternizations laws in military (and in all work places, mostly) differs from country to country and from time to time. At least I know couples here in Brazil (even friends of mine) where they're both military, met at work and are married, with children. Modernly speaking, there's no prohibition for dating or marriage (as it constitutes a break of civil rights), but only about proper behavior in the work environment. Of course we have our exceptions, but that 'non fraternization laws' we usually see applied to FMA are a 'fanficton thing'.

And about Riza being 'old' for having babies... that was one of the topics I discussed a LOOONNG time ago with Codename Elizabeth, if I recall. XD
We take Riza being around 27 years old, so she has at least about 10 years or so until she can be considered 'old' to have kids. If not more. XD
Kale Mustang
So now 27 is too old to have kids? Pffft, since when? laugh.gif

Anyways, once all the dust has settled (Final Battle, Rebuilding of Amestris, Finding a Fuhrer, etc.), I'm sure that's when Roy and Riza can start focusing on themselves rather than the needs of others. For them, it's probably been so long that they've been considering their own needs that they'd probably just need some time - and true they were demonstrating their closeness in battle, it's not gonna be the same as sitting down and chatting over coffee.

They're still young and have their lives ahead of them to figure it out.

...I'm expecting the whole marriage and 2.5 kids to go alongside the dog. White picket fence can be negotiated. wink.gif
jacksparrow589
Um, I have a friend my same age (almost 20) whose dad is in his 70's and whose mom is in her... late 50's, I believe. And my parents were 33 when I was born. Long story short, Riza's got quite a few years yet.

Kale--White picket fence is negotiable, eh? Then I'm thinking a nice, floral, wroght-iron deal. Maybe something Ed would design? tongue.gif Nah--Although I can now imagine Roy doing that same sort of thing, only having it be much more stylish. Roy is Roy, after all, though I tend to think Riza would have her say, as well.
Turdaewen
If 27 was old for having kids, than I should hurry up! laugh.gif

But that was not what we were saying, of course... ^^ I mean, we are women, we KNOW our ages for starting having periods and for having kids. XD
FailToImpress
I never said 27 is too old to have children... dry.gif I said that she'd have to think about it before she did get too old, since having children doesn't always happen so quickly after marriage, she may be in her mid 30s before she does. Which, of course, there is nothing wrong with, both me and my sibling were born when my mum was in her mid 30s. All I really meant is that there's more risk attached to it. That's all. blush.gif
Turdaewen
Yeah, I know that... XD we had a loooong discussion about this a couple of time ago. XD (Man... time flies! O.O)
FailToImpress
It's cool lol, I just didn't want people to take what I said wrongly! tongue.gif
I guess the same conversations come around every so often, huh. Hopefully the last chapter will give us more material to play around with!
Turdaewen
Yeah... I guess that's also due to the fact that we're always getting new people to post in here (which is great! ^^). So, the topics those people haven't discussed yet come back, even because they don't know we already said about it XD

Just like the 'theory' of Riza being killed to make Roy open the portal! That was a recurrent topic for years on end before chap 100 laugh.gif

Off-topic: only 9 posts till 600 posts!! Yay! \o/
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ May 19 2010, 11:30 AM) *
Kale--White picket fence is negotiable, eh? Then I'm thinking a nice, floral, wroght-iron deal. Maybe something Ed would design? tongue.gif Nah--Although I can now imagine Roy doing that same sort of thing, only having it be much more stylish. Roy is Roy, after all, though I tend to think Riza would have her say, as well.


Hmm...perhaps something more Victorian would suit them - very classical. smile.gif

@FailToImpress
Don't worry about it - was mostly taking the comment in jest. Heck, my mom had me when she was 34 while my dad was 43 so we'll just say that there's still plenty of time for R&R.

I don't really mind the slightly circular topics, but once the thread started speculating into the doom and gloom, it's was a bit much for me to hang around. It's mostly why I stick around for the nonsense/happier discussions.
FailToImpress
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ May 19 2010, 08:38 PM) *
@FailToImpress
Don't worry about it - was mostly taking the comment in jest. Heck, my mom had me when she was 34 while my dad was 43 so we'll just say that there's still plenty of time for R&R.


No problem, honestly. happy.gif
I think that Roy and Riza would wait a long while before children and simply enjoy the company of each other, since before they didn't really have that. And, also because it's a difficult thing to go from serving in the military all your days to not at all. Lord knows how Havoc coped.

Anyway, Roy and Riza babies would be cute nonetheless happy.gif
Causmicfire
Yeah, non-fraternization laws are usually a bit exaggerated in fic. My brother and his wife were both in the same branch of the military until just a few months ago(she just "retired", because, although she loved what she did, she didn't want to make it a career like he does). They had to tell their superior that they were dating, and then when they got engaged. Once they were married they couldn't be in the same unit anymore, but they couldn't be stationed anymore than 99 miles apart. Yes, 99 miles can be quite the distance, but they usually won't stretch the separation to that distance unless their superiors have a something against them/they're not doing a good job.

As for other military laws (from the U.S.) that would apply to them. If the military found out Roy burned Riza's back, there could be some trouble there. Technically, he burned military property. Good thing Roy had Knox to help him out in that instance. Not to mention they both probably had leave after the war, which meant it didn't effect her work.

Also, if either one were to call out sick, they'd have to go get checked out by a military doctor and be declared unfit to work for the day. My sister-in-law loves that she doesn't have to prove she's sick anymore.

Tian Ai
Hahaha, I agree with jacksparrow, freaking out over the little things is our purpose biggrin.gif
But Turdaewen brought up a good point about them not technically being part of the military anymore.
And then I could see Team Mustang leading Operation Rebuild Amestris, and after that they'd probably be able to do what they wanted?

Hehe, it'd just be so cute to see them married. It wouldn't come as a surprise to anyone =P
SneakyRuler
I vote for Elric design custom-made fence. Ed has to repay his debt to Roy in some way! Anyway, no objection when it comes to Roy and Riza getting married but to have children is a huge step... and to make such an importan decision you have make sure you won't be executed a few days after (hope it's not the case, though)

Overreact because of minor issues is okay, better than be depressed because of the major ones.
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (SneakyRuler @ May 19 2010, 04:34 PM) *
I vote for Elric design custom-made fence. Ed has to repay his dept to Roy in some way!


I doubt Roy and Riza would want something overly-ostentatious, but rather something simple. Ed's not exactly subtle with his designs... tongue.gif
SneakyRuler
But it can make unwanted visitors stay AWAY from their house, thus ensuring their safety. And anyway, Roy can't see it's not such a big deal laugh.gif Not that Flame alchemist and Hawk's Eyes need weren't able to take care of it by themselves.

Edit: I can't believe my eyes! Love your avatar, Kale!
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