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Katya Martin
Regarding Roy using alchemy: yes, he's capable of producing the reaction, but unless he comes up with something that doesn't involve directly sending a spark through the air and setting Father on fire, I still don't think he's using it any time soon. There are simply too many variables for Riza to tell him in time for it to be useful, even if, say, she takes his arm and points it in the right direction: blast radius, what the target's doing, what's in the way and where. Which is not to say that they won't come up with something-- I think they definitely will. It just won't be the same old flame alchemy, because that's too dangerous for their allies.

I'm betting on something even cooler, personally.
FailToImpress
I really can't see how it's possible for Roy to use alchemy in his current state, but maybe something will come of it, I don't know. It's very hard to say what will happen next, especially since I don't fully understand what went on in this chapter yet lol.
Turdaewen
To be compleately honest, I think Roy only said that to prevent Riza for mumbling over his injury. Something like "It's not over, yet. Can't let your guard down now."

She may still play a important role in the end (as well as Roy), but I'm beyond the point to try and guess it out before Arakawa shows us. ^^ I'm positive she'll surprise me in a good way. XD
Thalogens
^I hope thats not all it means. I like to entertain the idea that they have loads of secret codes thy use to communicate without anyone catching on.

And I'm really hoping they do something pretty major in the effort to defeat Father+co. They've been pretty quiet for the last few chapters. Maybe its building up to something awesome...?

@Katya Martin, thats pretty much what I said earlier... or what I tried to say, I doubt what I wrote made any sense at all ahahahaa...
angelofsarcasm89
I do like the idea of Roy being able to do something amazingly kickassly awesome now. We still don't know what went down between him and Truth at the Gate, so who knows what all happened in that bargain. I would die of happiness if we find out he said something like "Take me back! Give me the power I need to protect her!" while he was there and that allows him and Riza to link up perfectly and do something fantastic.
FMAobsessed
I have only skimmed the chapter 106 translation. But I did read Roy and Riza's interaction. And I agree with Kale that the scene does suit them since being in the military has trained them to not let their emotions get the better of them.
zing for us fans in the end
But I am still positive that Arakawa has something amazing for us Royai fans.
Kaori Ayanami
QUOTE (Katya Martin @ Apr 9 2010, 11:02 AM) *
Regarding Roy using alchemy: yes, he's capable of producing the reaction, but unless he comes up with something that doesn't involve directly sending a spark through the air and setting Father on fire, I still don't think he's using it any time soon. There are simply too many variables for Riza to tell him in time for it to be useful, even if, say, she takes his arm and points it in the right direction: blast radius, what the target's doing, what's in the way and where

You're underestimating Riza's aim there. And if there's a static target, it is Father (except when he escaped to replenish his Stone, but he won't be able to do it again soon, I think ^^).
But then again, after all the knowledge he just got, he would be able to come up with something else, too.
FailToImpress
^It's not Riza's aim that's the problem here, it's to do with Roy entirely. I agree with what Katya Martin said with regards to Roy and Riza working together. There's too much room for error, and I imagine Roy would be too shaken up and uncertain to use alchemy without being able to see. I mean, you wouldn't shoot a gun with your eyes closed, and guns are more precise than flame alchemy.

Anyway, I think Roy and Riza working together in that way is kind of predictable, it's the most obvious thing people have thought of that might happen next, which automatically means it won't happen. tongue.gif I've yet to see anyone make a solid prediction, Arakawa has surprised us thus far, and shall continue to do so!

QUOTE (Thalogens @ Apr 9 2010, 10:28 PM) *
And I'm really hoping they do something pretty major in the effort to defeat Father+co. They've been pretty quiet for the last few chapters. Maybe its building up to something awesome...?


See, when I read this, I put it together with another comment I read in the manga thread. Someone mentioned the potential of someone sacrificing themselves, and you're right, they have been quiet lately, I just hope it doesn't mean something like that. eek.

Maybe that's why Riza's crying in the new OP, hmmmm? If Roy did something silly like sacrifice himself I would literally cry my guts out, I wouldn't care as much if anyone else did it. At first when the new OP came out I didn't think it could contain spoilers since the end chapters aren't out, but there are things in it that highlight that Bones must know the ending already. And that's scary.
Gimpyhair
At this point, I'm pretty sure that neither Roy and Riza are going to die, not during a fight, at least. They both had their big angsty moments and they had their chance at dying: adding more would be too much, plot-wise. In fact, the only way I could see them die is when Roy-Furher, Riza and other military will pay for their crimes during the Ishbal war: http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/62/04/

About the whole Riza-being-his-eyes thing, I think it could work: Roy would be on DonkeyKong (forgot his name)'s back and she would say something like "Colonel, at 0900, 10 feets from here" or something like that.

But as FailToImpress said, obvious predictions usually don't happen with Arakawa smile.gif


Edit: I thought of something else: Roy and Riza could make a move, but not on the battlefield. Who is giving orders to the military? Who is talking to the people, telling them what had just happen? Are the radio-gang (Fuery, Ross, etc.) still online? These would be something that Roy could do, and would put him at the top of the country!
black~hayate
For the: What if Roy and Riza (and the other Ishval guys) will be exegcuted because of Ishval?
Well, who should give them the sentence? There is no one at the top who could become dangerous to them after all is over... well, Olivier is, but she'll be nice, I think..
Katya Martin
I think that if Roy does gain power, he could pretty easily start off the process of the war crimes trials. But by the time they get around to sentencing, he'll probably be considered a hero of the people and perhaps be spared. There won't really be that many people to go after now, either; most of the involved, military brass have been eaten by zombies or whatever, and a good many of the State Alchemists involved have also died. There will be reparations made and trials had, but I think at the end, people like Roy and Alex Armstrong who have been trying to atone for it ever since will be spared, and maybe the Ishvalans will have convinced Roy that the death wish is not necessary.

There's also the craziness that will doubtless ensue from explaining what's been going on for the past 400 years, and that'll probably take a good long while to sort out.

But ultimately I think the story's about redemption, so I don't think whatever happens will involve Roy or any of his group dying.
Thalogens
QUOTE (black~hayate @ Apr 10 2010, 06:20 PM) *
For the: What if Roy and Riza (and the other Ishval guys) will be exegcuted because of Ishval?
Well, who should give them the sentence? There is no one at the top who could become dangerous to them after all is over... well, Olivier is, but she'll be nice, I think..


Well, when Mustang becomes Fuhrer, Riza said that eventually they're going to give power back to the Government, and then the Military rule will be disbanded, and thenthey'll be made to pay for their crimes (or not, depending if the people judging them decide to let them live as a way of saying thanks for, you know, saving them all).
spectator
I don't think both of them will be executed. Come on! They are the one who restore the order! I bet no one has the bravery to atone their sin like Mustang and the gang do. Thus, Roy and Riza already paid the price. They deserve much lenient punishment, if not none

Period
jacksparrow589
QUOTE
But ultimately I think the story's about redemption, so I don't think whatever happens will involve Roy or any of his group dying.


^I'll drink to that, Katya!

I'm hoping that the whole trial thing will work out as such. As has been said, Roy and Riza have been making reparations as best they can, and it's obvious that it's because they really feel that it should happen--not because it's popular or whatever.
Thalogens
Mmmm, after re-reading vol-15, Riza seemed almost resolved to the idea of being put to death. She said something along the lines of 'We ended so many lives etc etc, why should we decide when to end ours?'.
Don't get me wrong, I definitely don't want to see these two dead, but... Ahh, I don't know.

Maybe they'll be exiled to Xing or something. You know what, Arakawa has proven to be quite unpredictable - she probably has something that will please everyone.
angelofsarcasm89
We find out that Grumman's whole plan has been to get Roy and Riza together and married anyway he can and there's going to be a big wedding as soon as they fix that little government problem once and for all.

Oh, and Hughes was just hiding in a dumpster the whole time.

That would make me pretty happy. happy.gif
spectator
QUOTE (angelofsarcasm89 @ Apr 10 2010, 06:58 PM) *
Oh, and Hughes was just hiding in a dumpster the whole time.


Yeah! It could a hoax. No one saw Maes's body was in that coffin, at least not us.
FailToImpress
QUOTE (angelofsarcasm89 @ Apr 11 2010, 12:58 AM) *
We find out that Grumman's whole plan has been to get Roy and Riza together and married anyway he can and there's going to be a big wedding as soon as they fix that little government problem once and for all.

Oh, and Hughes was just hiding in a dumpster the whole time.

That would make me pretty happy. happy.gif


I think I would LOL forever if that happened, seriously. laugh.gif
Oh dear, Hughes in a bin, poor guy.
jacksparrow589
Wait, I may be slightly confused, but hasn't Grumman more recently said that he's just waiting for Mustang to get in power and take the blame so he can take over? In chapter 86, it shows him thinking something along those lines, but then it has Miles going "...or he's thinking something like that" so I'm still unsure as to what side Grumman's really on. (Wait, angelofsarcasm, were you joking? I'm a little out of it, so I can't really tell...)

And yes, Hughes has been watching everything, but not from a dumpster. Actually, it's been from a storage closet in Central HQ. The guy's totally got satellite feeds everywhere. tongue.gif

Thalogens--I tend to think that's more Riza being prepared for the worst possible scenario than just going, "We're going to be executed, Ed, so just get over it." I mean, she might be expecting it, but who knows what will happen? Okay, Arakawa and BONES do, but we don't.
angelofsarcasm89
Yeah, I was just being silly. But we really don't know what Grumman's actually planning. I like to think that he's really on Roy's side and wants them to get together just as much as we do.
FMAobsessed
@angelofsarcasm: I lol'd at your Hughes is just hiding in the dumpster scenario. I would laugh if after everything is all finished if Roy and Riza confess that they have been married for years, but were keeping it a secret. I don't think that is happening, but I can see everyone being surprised by that confession.
Thalogens
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Apr 11 2010, 04:42 AM) *
Thalogens--I tend to think that's more Riza being prepared for the worst possible scenario than just going, "We're going to be executed, Ed, so just get over it." I mean, she might be expecting it, but who knows what will happen? Okay, Arakawa and BONES do, but we don't.


Ahhh, I didn't think of it from that viewpoint. She just seemed very 'Oh well' about the whole thing.
rinoaebastel
QUOTE (angelofsarcasm89 @ Apr 11 2010, 12:58 AM) *
We find out that Grumman's whole plan has been to get Roy and Riza together and married anyway he can and there's going to be a big wedding as soon as they fix that little government problem once and for all.


Lol.....that reminds me about my doujhin lol.
But im started to think that Grumman (because grumman's actions and speechs and smiles that scare me like hell but made me laugh)only want her to marry with him because he wants power...

But that doesn't mind that they perhaps do someday in an far country away from amestrist...and well I think in the end they will be exhiled or something like that...who knows
shanryelric
QUOTE (angelofsarcasm89 @ Apr 11 2010, 06:58 AM) *
We find out that Grumman's whole plan has been to get Roy and Riza together and married anyway he can and there's going to be a big wedding as soon as they fix that little government problem once and for all.

EH??? where'd you found that?
A Pierrot's Aria
^Haha! She was joking. =P

And the Hughes jumping out of the dumpster scenario made me LOL. xD
hand-made-city
Hughes jumping out of a dumpster made me laugh too! XD And we find out that Gracia has been bringing him meals everyday, cuz she's in on the secret... heheh...

But alas! Not going to happen. ToT

Anyway, Grumman really scared me in that one chapter.. where he seemed to have plans to bring Roy down and take power for himself... shivers ran down my spine... Grumman can be creepy when he wants to be. I just hope it all works out! I don't see Roy, Riza and the others getting executed at the end of the story though... that would just cut a hole and leave an empty feeling, rather than a fulfilling one. That's not really how you want to end a story. Meh. Anyway, NEXT WEEK'S BROTHERHOOD EPISODE!!!! biggrin.gif
spectator
I'm waiting for episode 53. It's going to be really angsty for royai fans.
Thalogens
^I really hope there'll be a cliff hanger like there was in the manga. I wouldn't like to see chp. 94/95 squashed together. The suspense, the suspense!
FMAobsessed
I don't really think we have to Grumman. The series is coming to a close, and if Grumman was going to betray them, then I think he would have done so already.

I need to marathon FMA so I can watch episode 53 by the time it comes out and get all excited.
Turdaewen
Well, about the whole "Military Judgment" To be truly honest, I think the most logic and probable answer to it would be an Amnesty

Simply because there's too much to be dealt with and, if they really got down into making 'body counts', well, it would be rather pointless and would end up messing up the government structure in such a deep level that could plumb the whole country into chaos. Even because it would be very hard to set apart people that were 'only following orders' or even people 'caught in the middle' from people who really wanted to massacre people.
Even because, most the Generals and upper Officers who really wanted to massacre people are dead, now, either way. XD

At least, I cannot see ANY way of Roy actually become Führer without Amnesty, or a Military Pardon for Roy's followers, since they worked to free the country.
In other cases, Roy would be sentenced to death, probably.
rzerox21xx
remember Roy was complaining about being stuck with Havoc in the hospital after the Lust fight and was hoping to be with a beautiful nurse. Well I guess this image would surpass his expectation huh?

jacksparrow589
^Oh no way! Seriously? That is AMAZING! laugh.gif What magazine is that from?

And I am once again reminded of Daughter of the Dusk and all those cracktastic cutscenes I still need to see... *goes off to hunt for the sheer amusement of it all*
angelofsarcasm89
Aww, Nurse Riza looks so pretty! If Roy gets his sight back, he should definitely get her to wear that around.
spectator
Winry marries Ed? Riza a nurse? OMG! What this about?? What the games always pop up all kinds of fantasy. I think it's Roy's fantasy.
Turdaewen
The FMA games are always so full of fanservice it makes my hair curl. XD
RoyxRizaFan
I just finished reading chapter 106, and, as I said to my sister, "My cliffhanger began on page 29 XDDDD (not that I didn't adore the rest of the chapter, of course)

Regardless of what happens, or whether or not they have a bigger role to play (which I think they will, because Roy being useless in the last hour would be terrible- I hope he's useful in one way or another, even if it isn't by fighting) the one thing I can say is how much I adore these two characters, and all of Arakawa's other creations, simply because they are so consistant, strong, and brave heroes! Roy loses his sight, and yet he has such a determined look, just like he always has: http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/106/028/

And despite having her throat slit and all the other crap Riza's gone through, she still manages to look bad @$$, and is so focused! This is why I love her so much. Rather than crying like I did, she took a hold of her emotions and is concentrating on the battle, realizing that she has to be strong and concentrated during this time.

I loved the panels with them so much that I'm working on making a signature or something out of them. So far, all I've completed is this ten minute coloring:



I've also drawn an FMA picture recently with Roy and Riza in it. I don't draw them often because I"m scared of messing them up, but I think this came out all right: http://royxrizafan.deviantart.com/art/Full...d-arse-160276345 Let me know what you think!
Michiyo-
Nice coloring work, RoyxRizaFan! I like your fanart too! ^^

I also did some coloring a few days ago, so here's mine:


And I made icons too: smile.gif


I'm sure we'll see Roy and Riza working together in the next chapter, so I can't wait for it. It'll be another long month.
RoyxRizaFan
^ XDDD way to make mine look like complete crap in comparison tongue.gif Excellent coloring job, Michiyo! I love the avatars as well! (thanks for the comment on the fan art, too)

I forgot to mention in my earlier post how much I am freaking out about the next episode of Brotherhood (even though I haven't seen the latest one yet...) I'm curious about what cliffhanger they'll take...

Hopefully, it'll be like episode 19, where they realize how many fans will plan a revolt if they screw it up XD Is it split into two episodes for sure?
jacksparrow589
Michiyo- and RoyxRizaFan--Nice colorings/icons/drawings... the whole bit!

As to a possible cliff hanger: I don't know. I read somewhere (on this site, I think) that Brotherhood ends sometime in July. If next episode starts at the beginning of chapter 94, and we're figuring that the manga will run a minimum of 108 chapters, that's too many chapters to do 1 per episode before time runs out, especially with these recent superlong chapters.

Personally, I think it'd be nice to have all this angst in one episode ('cause it all fits together so nicely in the end), then do the 100/101 cliffie. I mean, Roy's not gonna kill Envy, not when he's come so close... Then again, (tagged just in case) Riza's not gonna die, althogh with all the deaths so shortly before that, I think it would be more suspenseful to someone who hasn't followed the manga.

Then again, we never saw "burn my back", and we're running out of ground, here. Didn't someone at some point in time theorize that it could be put in with Riza talking Roy down from the ledge? I can see how that would work, and it just needs to be in there!

So, I guess I don't really know. Then again, all that has to be done is pick two chapters to mash together if nothing incredibly significant happens.

Another idea I was toying with is get Roy to this point, here: http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/95/10/

End it right when he snaps, so nobody knows what happens next. Did he, or didn't he? For me, that would make an absolutely "NO! I MUST KNOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT!" cliffhanger.

But all that's just me. smile.gif

And if we're all showing off our stuff now, I've got a fic! From Enmity to Amity: If Riza had known Havoc before the academy, this is my take on how Roy and Havoc might have met. (I had a sight fever at the time I was writing this, and I didn't feel like editing it, but I don't think it's very OOC.)
SneakyRuler
@RoyxRizaFan: Nice colouring and fanart (Greedling is perfect in that one and oh, Roy's got blue eyes! you seldom see artists choose his real eye colour, good choice)

Michiyo-: colouring! and icons! There will never be enough useless!Roy... poor guy, now he's useless regardless on the weather happy.gif

I'm concerned about 100/101 cliffhanger as well. I feel like it would be unfair to us, manga readers to cover all the material in one single episode. Meaning, we had to wait for a whole month to know what happens or not happens. And if anime-only watchers get it all served without being tortured like I was then there is no justice in the world! At the end of the month I knew Roy wouldn't attempt human transmutation and was scared Riza would be killed, I nearly believed it!

At least we know cliffhanger between chapters 94/95 stands intact (it was probably reason why the last episode ended where it did instead of the Envy confrontation manga chapter has)
Turdaewen
@RoyxRizaFan and Michiyo- Great colorings, you guys. ^^

@SneakyRuler - There's not an official statement about Roy's eye color. I really do believe they wouldn't put Roy with black eyes in FMA:B if he was indeed blue eyed.
There has been some original painted drawings of Roy with blue eyes, but just as well as it has been with black eyes (and not only "small ones"). Moreover, every original artwork by Arakawa with Roy with blue eyes, he's either blind (which in fact makes his eyes void, and not blue) or in situations where he's either scared or angry, where both those emotions Arakawa tends to "lighten up" the original eye color of that character.
So, even though there was never a statement admitting or denying, I think there's scarcely a chance for Roy to be truly "blue eyed".


Just the same, people have been claiming the idea of Riza using Flame Alchemy, and I must say: I really doubt anything of the sort (using the tatoo in any way in this last few chapters).
Riza is NOT an alchemist. She said herself she knows little about alchemy and that her father was a stranger who barely even came out of his study, let alone teach Riza anything. And she wouldn't learn out of an incomplete emblem that is in her back. Even to look at it, is not that simple! lol

I always tend to not make any theories, since I know Arakawa is an unpredictable writer who always surprise us and this theory, specifically seems very farfatched.
Michiyo-
Thank you, RoyxRizaFan, jacksparrow589, SneakyRuler and Turdaewen! I'm glad you liked my colorings. ^^

I'll try to find the icons I made earlier and post them here too. I'll probably make more when I have some time, but unfortunately university is keeping me busy. :S

BTW, Riza's profile is up on the PSP game's official site, and the fanservice pic is there too.
We can see Roy's reaction to Nurse Riza. laugh.gif
rinoaebastel
omg....O.O and why is she nursering Roy? (well, i am not going to complain but lol this shocked me)
aw It's just only for the PsP?
A Pierrot's Aria
I think Roy's WTF expression just summed up everyone's reaction. xD
black~hayate
Yeah, so... why instead of drooling there's the WTF reaction?
Turdaewen
QUOTE (black~hayate @ Apr 14 2010, 01:56 PM) *
Yeah, so... why instead of drooling there's the WTF reaction?

I'm curious, too.. XD He seems to be sweating quite a lot. lol
Katya Martin
"Put down the syringe, Lieutenant, you're going to kill us all... Who are you and what have you done with Lieutenant Hawkeye?"

Yeah, the expression matches the general reaction pretty well I think... xD
A Pierrot's Aria
Post edited due to supreme brain fart. I should go to sleep really. xD

So instead I shall say, Riza looks nice in pink, although it is odd to see her in such an outfit. I'm REALLY wondering what they heck is going on in that scene. Mind you, if I was Roy I'd be pretty damn worried if I saw my dear subordinate in an out of character outfit; I'd wonder how hard I hit my head. =B

jacksparrow589
Roy's "WTF?!" face makes it even better! Be careful what you wish for, Roy; you just might get it!
FailToImpress
Of course Roy is shocked, it's not every day that Riza wears a nurse outfit! I'd be surprised too lol.
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