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Turdaewen
@A Pierrot's Aria and Spectator
Thanx! ^^ It's been literally years since I worked with fanfics. sad.gif But this was something I just couldn't take out of my head, so I decided it would be better to just write it XD

I'm glad you guys liked it. ^^

@JELEE
I lmao with your signature!! Very, very good indeed. XD



I loved the new op and ed. VERY sad, indeed, but very epic, at the same time. And also, very fitting for Arakawa's type of work.
I'm not worried at all that this is a sort of 'predicament' to a sad ending. Everything that already happened in the manga is sad enough to portray such an opening, which is also something that makes this manga's ending so epic. And beautiful. And Arakawa may seem like a sadist, but she really isn't, she'll give us hope in the end, I know she will. She always does.

In that sense, I think people are just being a little paranoiac. I mean, it isn't enough everything that happened already?? Do they really need another reason to put a scene like that in the opening?? I see no point in it.


And, btw, I know this is a sad thought, but, you know, during the last month the idea of Roy being blind sank so deeply into me that, now, I can't picture any other way!! I just lost my ability to imagine him seeing again. Maybe Arakawa will surprise me, as she did when she first started this whole damn thing, and I can start picturing that again but, as it is, I can't help but to glance at the future and see him as he is now.
FailToImpress
Gah, why is everyone crying in that new opening? Well lol, not everyone, like 2 people but whatever. This can't be good. I like it though, very solemn given what's to come. And wow, Ed looks so much older here lol. I don't really like the ending, pretty boring actually.


Although, the OP can't possibly foreshadow the end unless the creators know what Arakawa is planning for the last chapters.
Thalogens
Oh yes, I almost forgot -A Pierrot's Aria, the part with Roy teasing Riza about wanting to see her tears etc is in chp. 93.
A Pierrot's Aria
^Ah! Thank you ever so much, DoxyWings! I just flicked through and saw the part! Haha! Poor Riza, getting teased by Roy. xD But it's oddly sweet. xD
Katya Martin
I don't know, I wasn't that worried by Riza's crying. It makes sense because this is everyone's darkest hour; in the end, I'm sure things will get better (as the imagery of the song suggests.) And if Roy stays blind, she won't react well at first... so yeah. Winry's crying actually worried me more, though the end of the song made that a little better.

Both sequences did bring a couple of tears to my eyes though, because they give the sense that the series really is going to end for good soon...

amestris_star
QUOTE (DoxyWings @ Apr 4 2010, 08:10 PM) *
Oh yes, I almost forgot -A Pierrot's Aria, the part with Roy teasing Riza about wanting to see her tears etc is in chp. 93.


Thanks for that, couldn't remember the exact chapter reference myself wink.gif
RoyxRizaFan
I interpret it like she's crying over Roy's blindness, or from relief that he's alive, or that it's all over. I don't think anything else bad will happen to either of them, at least not as severely as what they've gone through already. Arakawa isn't that cruel, or at least I'd like to believe so.

QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Apr 4 2010, 01:42 PM) *
And, btw, I know this is a sad thought, but, you know, during the last month the idea of Roy being blind sank so deeply into me that, now, I can't picture any other way!! I just lost my ability to imagine him seeing again.


It's actually the complete opposite with me. I cried when he went blind, but yet somehow, it hasn't completely sunk in, I guess, because I don't see him that way. I see him as how he's always been in my mind, and haven't been looking too far ahead, I guess. Plus, I have this little hope in me that somehow, he'll be cured in the end, since he didn't do anything deserving of punishment like the others. I'll be happy with any ending that has RoyAi, though, even if it's bittersweet.
FailToImpress
QUOTE (RoyxRizaFan @ Apr 5 2010, 01:02 AM) *
Plus, I have this little hope in me that somehow, he'll be cured in the end, since he didn't do anything deserving of punishment like the others.


This is what I can't decide on, if I want him to regain his sight at the end or not. It could go either way but I think it's more likely that he won't. mellow.gif

I'm not too bothered by that new OP either, like I say, the only way it could possibly be foreshadowing was if the creators of the anime knew what Arakawa is planning for the ending.
Hagaren_Forever
I actually find it highly probable that Roy will get his sight back. I think after Truth is defeated, ALL of the 5 sacrifices will get the're bodies back. (well, not ALL of them, Hohoenheim's gonna die.)
Hagaren_4ever
^ LOL, wow, for some reason when I used my old computer to make that post it had me logged in to an old account that I didn't know how to get back into and gave up on. laugh.gif Aaaand now I can't delete it, could a mod take care of that please? I would very much appreciate it. ^^

So, yeah. What I said up there.
Turdaewen
QUOTE (RoyxRizaFan @ Apr 4 2010, 09:02 PM) *
I interpret it like she's crying over Roy's blindness, or from relief that he's alive, or that it's all over. I don't think anything else bad will happen to either of them, at least not as severely as what they've gone through already. Arakawa isn't that cruel, or at least I'd like to believe so.

QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Apr 4 2010, 01:42 PM) *
And, btw, I know this is a sad thought, but, you know, during the last month the idea of Roy being blind sank so deeply into me that, now, I can't picture any other way!! I just lost my ability to imagine him seeing again.


It's actually the complete opposite with me. I cried when he went blind, but yet somehow, it hasn't completely sunk in, I guess, because I don't see him that way. I see him as how he's always been in my mind, and haven't been looking too far ahead, I guess. Plus, I have this little hope in me that somehow, he'll be cured in the end, since he didn't do anything deserving of punishment like the others. I'll be happy with any ending that has RoyAi, though, even if it's bittersweet.


Man, I wish I could picture that! XD I envy you guys... sad.gif lol

But that's why I think I can't see that happening: I don't see it as a punishment AT ALL. I mean, I don't see it as a punishment literally, only metaphorically, to be more exact.

In Greek Mythology (which is one of the most important Symbolic Structures in Alchemy), once the Hero first wishes to 'become a God', or 'enter the realm of God', he gets 'punished' for that action, but not in truth: that 'punishment' is merely that, by wishing to surpass a certain situation and become MORE, the hero triggers a series of obstacles that are set for him in order to allow him to get what he wants: to be a god. So, you have, for example, Orpheus looses Euridice and has to travel to the underworld to get her back, Hercules has his 12 Jobs, Perseus has to go on a journey to kill Medusa.
Those are all called 'punishments'. But in fact, is THIS situation they face that actually gives them the proper condition to acquire the wisdom that they seek.

And that's how I see the Truth and it's tokens in FMA: Ed lost his leg, so he could learn that he must depend on others and, more importantly, trust them! Al lost his body so he could learn the opposite: to appreciate people other than just physically and learn to be independent. Izumi lost her ability to have children so that she would understand you don't have kids for your own sake, but for the sake of that person (which she found in being master for both Ed and Al). And, finally, Roy lost his sight so he could see past his pride. To be able to face himself and all that he's done and learn that, if he does become Führer, he cannot do have any ounce of selfishness of wanting anything for himself, not even glory.


The way I see it, what the Truth has taken from the alchemists was actually another 'present', another sort of wisdom, since every knowledge requires a level of responsibility which the alchemists could not have had with the amount of 'understanding' they had before hand.

So, that's why I can't see it any other way. XD which doesn't mean they can't get all they have lost back, but it is a condition they can only acquire once they overcome that 'fault' they have.
A Pierrot's Aria
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Apr 5 2010, 03:24 PM) *
And that's how I see the Truth and it's tokens in FMA: Ed lost his leg, so he could learn that he must depend on others and, more importantly, trust them! Al lost his body so he could learn the opposite: to appreciate people other than just physically and learn to be independent. Izumi lost her ability to have children so that she would understand you don't have kids for your own sake, but for the sake of that person (which she found in being master for both Ed and Al). And, finally, Roy lost his sight so he could see past his pride. To be able to face himself and all that he's done and learn that, if he does become Führer, he cannot do have any ounce of selfishness of wanting anything for himself, not even glory.


The way I see it, what the Truth has taken from the alchemists was actually another 'present', another sort of wisdom, since every knowledge requires a level of responsibility which the alchemists could not have had with the amount of 'understanding' they had before hand.


*Bows down at your feet* Wow! I've always gotten the likely connections between Greek myth and FMA, but that is an amazing interpretation! You're a gentlelady and a scholar! biggrin.gif I really like the idea of Roy losing his sight for the sake of seeing passed his pride. It's like blindness can give the ability to see further.
black~hayate
And about that "The opening could mean something bad, poor crying Riza!"...
Remember the first opening? Riza lipreading or what ever it's called... it didn't mean anything at all xD.
Turdaewen
QUOTE (A Pierrot's Aria @ Apr 5 2010, 11:35 AM) *
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Apr 5 2010, 03:24 PM) *
And that's how I see the Truth and it's tokens in FMA: Ed lost his leg, so he could learn that he must depend on others and, more importantly, trust them! Al lost his body so he could learn the opposite: to appreciate people other than just physically and learn to be independent. Izumi lost her ability to have children so that she would understand you don't have kids for your own sake, but for the sake of that person (which she found in being master for both Ed and Al). And, finally, Roy lost his sight so he could see past his pride. To be able to face himself and all that he's done and learn that, if he does become Führer, he cannot do have any ounce of selfishness of wanting anything for himself, not even glory.


The way I see it, what the Truth has taken from the alchemists was actually another 'present', another sort of wisdom, since every knowledge requires a level of responsibility which the alchemists could not have had with the amount of 'understanding' they had before hand.


*Bows down at your feet* Wow! I've always gotten the likely connections between Greek myth and FMA, but that is an amazing interpretation! You're a gentlelady and a scholar! biggrin.gif I really like the idea of Roy losing his sight for the sake of seeing passed his pride. It's like blindness can give the ability to see further.


Actually, in some myths, that's exactly what it is: the person 'close' their eyes for the outer world and 'opens' them to their inner world.
A Pierrot's Aria
^That's right. : ) (I'm into Greek stuff and myths in general anyway, so I know this) It's just the connections you made between what they lost and what character 'flaw' that they could represent is really interesting! I like it! : ) I've never thought of it that way before.
jacksparrow589
GYAAAAARGH! I had a great post all typed out, and then I lost it! RAWR! blowup.gif

Let's try this again.

I'm not sure that Roy will regain his sight. While Arakawa seems to be all for getting the ending you deserve (and Roy definitely deserves a happy one, for all that he's worked), she also keeps it realistic. Even though there might be some way to do it, I think it might cheapen it a little.

Arakawa does things for a reason, too. I wonder if Roy lost his sight because 1)he was too powerful and would be able to deliver the final blow to Father when it's not really his place to do so, or 2)there was no real way for him to help out without killing him off, but Arakawa didn't want to kill him off regardless.. Now, Roy is very bright and packs a lot of power, but the story's not all about him, and he's not really at the center of things in the same sense as Hohenheim and his progeny. (Neither is Izumi, but she's playing a pretty peripheral role right now, too.) It was Hoheneim who was involved from the very beginning, and so it fittingly falls to him and his sons to fix things. And I'm not even taking into account all these myths you guys are mentioning, even though they figure in pretty significantly at times, too!

I know that all that is tangential to what's been said, but do I get credit for originality? Anyway, it factors in to why I think Roy will remain blind. He's not the center, but central enough to know what he was getting into, and so despite his best efforts and intentions, the Icarus myth claimed another victim.

But really, right now, I just want to see Roy and Riza meet up. I want to know how Riza will react!

Oh, and before I forget, I saw two Roy and Riza couples at SakuraCon, but was sadly unable to get a picture of either one. sad.gif
Thalogens
^^Mmm, although theres a lot of extremely good reasons why he should be ...uhmm.. 'the way he is now', it just doesn't make sense to keep him that way:
-Yes, one of the themes of the manga is paying for your sins etc, but the point from the very start was that Ed and Al are trying to get their bodies back. Why should Roy have to suffer blindness when he hasn't technically sinned in the first place -it takes too much effort to spoiler-tag each word that would make this spoilerific, meh.
-Unless theres a drastic change of events and everyone gets transported to loads of different places, if Roy is in the same place as Ed and Al and the others then he should get his sight back too, no? He'll jump in or something when Ed and Al attempt to get their bodies back...uhm, yeah... makes sense in my head.
-If it is only Ed and Al that go to truth... well, then... sorry Roy.

Or it could be that when they all jump into truth (if he's still there(?)) decides to take something else as payment for jumping in again. Roy would loose his hearing when he tries to get back his sight and Ed looses the opposite arm and leg. Though I don't know what would happen to Al, seeing as theres nothing much to swap... would he loose his mind and go crazy?
jacksparrow589
^Good points.

What I'm getting at is that Roy can still have a happy ending even if his current issue isn't resolved, and it might actually make more sense that way. Roy won't let anything stop him. And you gotta admit that the Royai potential of this is through the roof.

I'm not saying that he deserved what he got, but if he's stuck with it, it can still work.
hand-made-city
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Apr 5 2010, 05:31 PM) *
But really, right now, I just want to see Roy and Riza meet up. I want to know how Riza will react!


Ahh that's exactly what I'm waiting for too! It's taking so long! Oh chapter 106, don't let us down!

I just saw the new OP and episode a few hours ago... the openings always have some slight spoiler content, which just makes me all the more excited! Especially since the Roy/Envy fight is getting closer and closer!

The OP: Riza crying in the rain while hugging Hayate made me sad (I love when they have cuddle scenes though!)... almost as sad as Roy's expression in the part just before that. That was another heart-wrenching moment. Roy... <3
FMAobsessed
@Turdaewen: Good connections between FMA and Greek mythology that I never picked up on. So do you believe that none of the five sacrifices deserve to regain what they lost? Even if they saw Truth intentionally or unintentionally they still saw it, so Truth should just say "f*ck you guys!" And have everyone keep on living in the same situation they are in now, or do you believe there is some sort of middle ground?
angelofsarcasm89
Riza crying was my favorite part of the OP. I think it's more for a dramatic effect rather than showing her reaction to something that's happened or is going to happen.

As for Roy, I honestly have no idea what's most likely to happen. I'd love it if everything turned out perfect and he got his sight back and he and Riza ran off and got married and had lots o' sex and babies, but I know it's probably not gonna be that bright and cheery. I'd be happy if it ended with him still blind, but with some possibility of seeing again. And of course, still with Riza by his side.

*Totally isn't taking a moment to pimp out my new fic* >.>
Turdaewen
@FMAObsessed - It's actually nothing to do with deserving to get something back or not. The whole concept of "Justice" is different, because its about a bigger picture than what makes a person suffer or not: it's about existence and the need for a certain experience in life to 'learn' a certain lesson.
Whether they get it back later or not, doesn't matter: what matters is that, since they have lived that situation, they got to see such a different dimension of reality, they'll never see reality the same way ever again. And THAT's the Truth's objective, the way I see it.

Just like a person who becomes paraplegic after a accident. That person can even walk again, someday (or not), but the experience of looking at life in a completely different 'lenses' will never leave that person, you know? The same with someone who gets a very complicated disease (like cancer). The point is 'shaking' the person from it's comfortable position of thinking they have everything under control and that they understand how life works. As the saying goes: "pain is the most efficient way of acquiring conscience".

If they get out of that experience and can be able to get what they lost back, all the better, just the same as it's possible for someone to walk after being paraplegic for some time, and it's also possible for someone to cure a Cancer and be healthy again.


So, I do believe that they do have chances of getting what they lost back. No doubt about that.

And about whether they deserve it? I have no idea! I'm not in their heads to see if they really 'understood the lesson' or not. If they did "got it" than (and I believe they did), yes, they deserve it.

But I also don't think anything is more valuable then wisdom, not even sight or a leg (or even an entire body) just as well as I don't think Roy's any less of a person, in ANY sense for not being able to see, which means he can do whatever he wants, be whoever he chooses with or without it. He can be an equally happy, accomplished, satisfied person no matter the 'physical' situation he's on. So, thinking that "the Truth owns the sacrifices" anything it's still thinking that they were punished, somehow.


And I believe Arakawa's point is exactly that: people can find means to be happy and feel good about themselves no matter what. People without a leg, like Ed, can be even more 'enlighted' than someone with a perfect body.
In that gaiden, "Long Night", that's what she was trying to say: everybody thought Al was miserable for not having a body, but he actually never felt happier before that! Does it mean that he doesn't want his body back? No. Of course that it would be better to have a body than not having. But the experience he had without a body showed to him that his happiness did not depend on him having a body or not.
Starlight777
Wow words of wisdom right there, ever think of teaches a class about this? XD
FMAobsessed
@Turdaewen: Yes, I understand what you mean. You are saying that one of the main themes of FMA is being able to adapt and continue living on no matter what type of situtaion you are in. And it does not matter if you caused that situation, or if it just happened. It is all about having the perserverance to keep on living. I liked your points about people having their mortality tested, (ie having cancer) that also reminded me of a motavational speaker I saw named Michel Chikwanine, who was a child soldier in Africa, who at the age of 5 was forced to kill his best friend as part as an "initiation." His story was so tragic, but he turned his life around and decided to tell people his story and raise awarness about child soldiers. And I think every FMA character wants to keep on living. They all want to reach their goals, and they refuse to give up and die. But they have learned to adapt to their situations, whether they like them or not. But they hold on to the belief that the situation can be changed.

Also if Roy stays in the predicatment that he is in, he may realize how much he appreciates Riza, and we may end up with a love confession.
Turdaewen
Yeah, pretty much that. ^^ It's not that we don't WANT to see them getting everything back or happiness and all, but it's just that, whatever happens, the things they already lived sorta 'make them who they are' and can be tools to make them become the people they want to be. And that's beautiful, even more beautiful because it's real! And it's what happens with all of us, daily.
spectator
Here's my thought. *I always try to be very optimistic*

It's over! It's finally over! Whether Roy's eyes still blind or not, he's been sent to the hospital. However, Riza does manage to meet up with him before that and finds that he's fine. Roy grabs her hand and tells her to go to the hospital with him, saying that she needs medical attention too. Riza smiles and says that she has to stay for awhile to help take control of the newly reformed city. She promises, nevertheless, once the reinforcement came, she will go to the hospital. Roy reluctantly let go her hand, as the medics close the door. Riza stares at the ambulance as it takes off. It suddenly rains. She leans her back against the wall, as tiredness begins to take control of her. Without her realization, she slides down and sits on the floor. Black Hayate then approaches his master and licks her face to comfort her. Riza hugs Black Hayate, tears streaming down uncontrollably. She was scared, and she is tired, but she is happy. Roy is alive.

Hahahahaha! Maybe a little too optimistic. laugh.gif
FMAobsessed
@spectator: That is pretty good.

I have read different Royai fictions taking place after the final battle. And all of them seem to have Roy going to the hospital. But they don't explain if he was injured or not. So is he going to the hospital for being blind? Didn't think being blind with no injuries made you have to be in a hospital.

I still think that Riza should go to the hospital. Mei even said she needed an actual doctor. I am still surprised by how well Riza seems to be doing after she was almost killed. But then again it may not have actually hit her physically or emotionally yet.
Katya Martin
She's probably running on adrenalin at the moment; actually, a whole bunch of characters probably are. Once the fighting dies down, I predict a lot of people passing out.

What would actually be kind of d'awwww but probably won't happen: After Father's defeated, everyone in his chamber is knocked unconscious for whatever reason (possibly including getting back tolls/whatever). Riza and the chimeras make their way down to see what happened. Riza checks Roy, and is relieved to find that he's only unconscious, not dead... everyone runs out of adrenalin and she just conks out next to him. Then they wake up a little later. And then everyone goes and gets the necessary medical care; lord knows they're all likely to need varying degrees of it.

I don't know, I'm just rambling, pay me no mind...
Kaori Ayanami
If the sacrifices beat Truth, most probably they will all get back what they lost. Alphonse is a given (else he would die), but Roy is a given too, even more than him, because not only he did not deserve what happened to him, but his loss is also the "cheapest", so to speak.
I know FMA it's about going on no matter what happens, but all five sacrifices have already gone through a lot and learned from it. True, Roy's hardships had nothing to do with Truth's toll till now, but way before he payed for it he had his fair share of knowledge-through-hardships. I think that his blindness it's kind of a symbol, or even an overdue punishment (remember Ishval). But, if that's so, it shouldn't be fixed...
Nevetheless, I liked your theories a lot, Turdaewen. smile.gif

When Riza and Roy meet, there will be tears. Arakawa didn't write Roy's "Those tears... I wish I could see them again" for nothing.

QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Apr 7 2010, 08:57 PM) *
I am still surprised by how well Riza seems to be doing after she was almost killed. But then again it may not have actually hit her physically or emotionally yet.

Darius is holding her, that's why. She hasn't moved a lot, either.
black~hayate
OwO
You guys better check the chapter 106 spoiler thread! OMG there's new Royai! I expected it to be exactly like this!
FailToImpress
New chapter, well, I'm glad they're back together again, FINALLY.
spectator
Have you guys noticed that everytime Riza was not with Roy when they were facing enemies, Roy was injured pretty bad? Last time, Roy was with Havoc. This time, you know what I mean if you have read chapter 103 onward.
jacksparrow589
Oh, 106 has made me so very happy! Though, while I'm glad that they met up and seem to be holding out okay, there is such a thing as overtaxing one's self. Riza's still injured, and it probably hasn't been more than a few hours (if that) since she got her initial wound. My hope is that they won't have to fight and can just chill and recuperate.

spectator--Awesome icon! It makes me smile. Though poor Roy takes a bit of abuse in this chapter. I mean, Greed makes him do faceplant (which, granted, does save Roy's life), but so much is going on around the poor guy, and he winds up getting pretty smacked around for something that isn't his fault.
Katya Martin
Yeah, poor Roy, he's just been repeatedly tossed around for the last few chapters...
hand-made-city
Chapter 106... Roy and Riza acted exactly as expected! It was comforting to see them together again, though I wish we could have seen something more emotional, considering Riza now knows of Roy's condition. But nevertheless, it was good! But short. D:

Now I'm thinking that since Roy is sending Riza to battle in his stead, what is she going to accomplish? She only uses guns and we all know "they don't work on anything these days" XD plus she's injured, so I guess she won't be doing much. Still, I really REALLY want her to whip out some flame alchemy and be all "HA! My father taught me waaaay before Roy learned!" Lmao! Time to meet the true flame alchemist! Hahahah that would be completely out of context, but it would be hysterical.
Katya Martin
Alternately, we might see the tattoo get used, though I doubt it... ._.
hand-made-city
^Yeah, I wish. That would be really cool. Unfortunately it is damaged... I don't think it would be fully functional. Maybe partially?
jacksparrow589
As cool and unexpected as using the tattoo would be, I've gotta agree that since it's damaged, it probably can't be used in any capacity.

I just hope that they can stay out of the thick of... whatever happens next until all's said and done. Neither one is exactly in much shape to fight at the moment.

I'm actually glad we didn't get an emo-tastic reunion--they're both strong people, and there's bigger things going on at the moment. Though I wouldn't say no to having a heartfelt, "it's really sinking in" moment (or even an "I'm just so glad you're alive" moment) later on.
angelofsarcasm89
I'm definitely gonna be a good girl this time and not read the spoilers! But it's so haaaaard knowing that there's Royai ahead!

Edit: Okay, I cracked and read the spoilers.

The "Can you still fight?" thing could mean one of two things. One, obviously, he wants her to fight. Two, he wants to know if she'll be able to defend herself if she has to right now. It just doesn't seem like Roy to send her out when she's been injured no matter what his own condition is.
As far as the tattoo thing goes, I'd love it if that thing showed up again, but it's been damaged like y'all have pointed out. However, she could still aim for him maybe. It's not like there's anyone else in the universe better suited for that kind of team effort.
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And yeah, I'm gonna agree that everybody's just running on adrenaline at this point. When it's all finally over, they definitely deserve a giant rest/cry/hug party. With cookies.
Kaori Ayanami
In the end, I was wrong. No tears. So I suppose that was foreshadowing about Riza's near-death, but nothing more.

How could I think of an angsty reunion? They both barely survived Ishval with no drama about each other, of course something so petty as blindness (not even a wound) wouldn't scare the hell out of her. Now I know the only thing that could make them break up would be the death of the other one, plain and simple. Everything else doesn't matter, since it can be healed. Talk about strenght. happy.gif
spectator
I guess Roy just asked Riza to fight on his behalf as well. I think it is a sign that Roy has passed his leadership to Riza now.
Causmicfire
QUOTE (Kaori Ayanami @ Apr 7 2010, 09:58 PM) *
When Riza and Roy meet, there will be tears. Arakawa didn't write Roy's "Those tears... I wish I could see them again" for nothing.


It could still be foreshadowing Not for this chapter, but it could be foreshadowing that he is going to get his vision back *grins* put it in tags just in case

QUOTE (angelofsarcasm89 @ Apr 8 2010, 06:16 PM) *
Edit: Okay, I cracked and read the spoilers.

The "Can you still fight?" thing could mean one of two things. One, obviously, he wants her to fight. Two, he wants to know if she'll be able to defend herself if she has to right now. It just doesn't seem like Roy to send her out when she's been injured no matter what his own condition is.


Yeah, that definitely is a great point. I agree that it's not him wanting her to go out and fight...it's a given she will if she's needed, that's just Riza for you, but wanting to know if she can protect herself if need be. Also, I wonder if they're put in a tight spot if he would ask her to be his eyes. Would be risky, but it could work if he can judge distance without his eyes.

_Jelly
I had this epic vision that Roy filled the broken bits of her tattoo with blood or ink to complete it, and to use it all he had to do was put his hand on Riza's back, she would point at something AND IT WOULD BLOW UP. Like BANG, BANG, BANG ...weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew but probably not.

I really am hoping that the tattoo will be of some use though. I mean, I was thinking, how else can she fight? Yeah she can defend herself, run away and stuff, but she's got no rifle or anything and she's no alchemist or anything so I dont see what else there is. tongue.gif Optimism!

Hmm I thought Riza's reaction to the news about his eys would be greater than that.
SneakyRuler
Chapter 106 is amazing. Finally together... in not so tearful reunion ohmy.gif As I understand it, Roy's question "Can you still fight?" doesn't mean he wants her to run around taking down zombies. My scenario:

Roy: Lieutenant, can you still fight?
Riza: Yes, why do you ask?
Roy *claps his hands together, lifting both of them to where the other alchemists are*
Roy: Why, I can still fight as well. You point directions, Lieutenant.

I think he's asking her for supporting him, making sure he doesn't fall somewhere, isn't smashed to pieces and doesn't fry any of his friends. He might take part in the fight taking place above, he's the Flame Alchemist and even Hohenheim can't come up with anything close to flame alchemy, so he can be quite useful. Riza would just make sure he'd not take any harm in the process.


Maybe a little far-fetched, but I want to se more Roy and Riza being awesome laugh.gif
angelofsarcasm89
QUOTE (JELEE @ Apr 9 2010, 12:21 AM) *
I had this epic vision that Roy filled the broken bits of her tattoo with blood or ink to complete it, and to use it all he had to do was put his hand on Riza's back, she would point at something AND IT WOULD BLOW UP. Like BANG, BANG, BANG ...weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew but probably not.

Oh my god, I would give my firstborn child to see this. laugh.gif
Gimpyhair
QUOTE (SneakyRuler @ Apr 9 2010, 01:36 AM) *
Chapter 106 is amazing. Finally together... in not so tearful reunion ohmy.gif As I understand it, Roy's question "Can you still fight?" doesn't mean he wants her to run around taking down zombies. My scenario:

Roy: Lieutenant, can you still fight?
Riza: Yes, why do you ask?
Roy *claps his hands together, lifting both of them to where the other alchemists are*
Roy: Why, I can still fight as well. You point directions, Lieutenant.

I think he's asking her for supporting him, making sure he doesn't fall somewhere, isn't smashed to pieces and doesn't fry any of his friends. He might take part in the fight taking place above, he's the Flame Alchemist and even Hohenheim can't come up with anything close to flame alchemy, so he can be quite useful. Riza would just make sure he'd not take any harm in the process.


Maybe a little far-fetched, but I want to se more Roy and Riza being awesome laugh.gif


It's exactly what I thought, Riza would be his eyes. After all Roy did say sooner to Izumi that he feels really useless.
rinoaebastel
QUOTE (Gimpyhair @ Apr 9 2010, 01:00 PM) *
It's exactly what I thought, Riza would be his eyes. After all Roy did say sooner to Izumi that he feels really useless.


indeed. I was thinking the same all time since he became blind. I always thought that Riza's role is to be his "guide" and hope they fullfill it, and I am going to be excited to see they teaming up ...and of course squeal a lot haha biggrin.gif
jacksparrow589
JELEE--That would indeed be epic!

Wait a sec. I just re-realized something...

Roy saw the Truth. That's why he's blind in the first place. If the pattern holds true, he doesn't need a circle to do alchemy now! Of course, he still can't see what he's doing, but he can do something if he absolutely has to.

So I bet Roy can now manipulate the oxygen density in the air without a circle. If he can, all he needs is a spark, and he's back in business!

Er, maybe not, but my point is, he can do alchemy, which could be very useful. Or very dangerous.

And I think you guys have it right: "Can you still fight?" doesn't equate to "Okay, go and fight now" so much as "If worse comes to worst, can you do something to increase (y)our chance of survival?"
Thalogens
^Exactly, but he also needs to know how far away the enemy is and how much force to use. This is where I think Riza could come in, acting as his eyes. Could provide much Royai happy.gif
But that is pretty tricky, especially in the environment they're in now, there just might not be enough time to translate all that information, plus trying to get the aim to swerve around alies. Unless Riza actively holds his hands and directs it, plus lots of military-talk they've had to learn over the years, it might work. But not close-combat, I'd say more like sniper shots or something.

And yes, the 'Can you still fight' line is just their way of asking if the other is allright.
Kale Mustang
Haven't been around as often, but regarding Riza's reaction in the newest chapter, I thought it was perfectly fine.

The reason being is that it's clear that Izumi and Sig are civilians, as in that though they are willing to fight, they wear their emotions on their sleeves. Definitely that their reunion is heartfelt, but that in no way diminishes Roy and Riza's reunion.

Do not mistake that the reason Roy asks Riza if she can still fight is because it's callous, but rather, as a pair that has worked side by side for years, it goes back to their bond - which I believe is just as strong as the Curtises - it's their way of knowing that the other's alright. They're military-trained, they've long been taught not to show emotion on the battlefield. Especially for Roy, though he cannot see, Riza can and she's able to still fight, which tells him that so long as she's willing, he's willing. They'll be depending on one another to get through this last battle - and it's that bond, which to me, doesn't need any extra emotion or words to get the point across. They will fight together to defend each other to the bitter end.

Just for another contrast, even Greedling's reunion with RanFan was much in line with Roy and Riza's - very low-key, but after entrusting your life in each other's hands, you don't need to say much at all.
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