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paca
some cute pics I found:
http://www18.oekakibbs.com/bbs/527neco/oek...hisfile=161.png
http://www18.oekakibbs.com/bbs/527neco/oek...hisfile=160.png
http://www18.oekakibbs.com/bbs/527neco/oek...hisfile=148.png
http://www18.oekakibbs.com/bbs/527neco/oek...hisfile=146.png
http://www18.oekakibbs.com/bbs/527neco/oek...hisfile=142.png
http://www18.oekakibbs.com/bbs/527neco/oek...hisfile=140.png
http://www18.oekakibbs.com/bbs/527neco/oek...hisfile=126.png
all from 527

QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Dec 10 2009, 07:42 PM) *
I think the most heartbreaking situation for me, will be when Riza first discovers that Roy is blind. That will make me sad. But I know that both of them will pick themselves back up. I mean they are Roy and Riza.


yeah D: ... that moment :/


but at last he didn't turn into something like the mad doctor .... Riza was really terrified with that idea ....

I think that as he is still in shock he needs again to be encouraged to move on...Riza can enter there (I compare this to Havock situation which somehow if you deeply compare was even worse, and by his friend... Roy's words, and Riza's line.... saw the posibily of not giving up


The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Dec 10 2009, 03:42 PM) *
I think the most heartbreaking situation for me, will be when Riza first discovers that Roy is blind. That will make me sad. But I know that both of them will pick themselves back up. I mean they are Roy and Riza.


Ah yes.... I didn't cry when I saw Mustang was blind (that was more of a ".....Oh..... That's terrible...." reaction for me) but I probably will when Riza inevitably finds out. No matter what, it will likely be heartbreaking, although I don't know how much time they can spend on this revelation. If I'm not mistaken, Riza and the chimeras are going to join Mei in Father's chamber shortly, so she'll find out soon. There probably won't be enough time for tears and angst at that point.

I wonder if Riza will play any part in the battle against Father. Maybe she'll help guide Roy's attacks or something.... Well, the idea of it is cool, but whenever I try to picture her helping him like that in my mind it comes out kind of lame, so maybe not......
jacksparrow589
^I think that, with Roy being blind and Riza being badly injured, they're gonna have to sit this out. The only thing I can see Roy doing is, since he's seen the Truth, using alchemy without a circle to create some sort of a bunker so that he and Riza, as the ones with the least defenses, will be safe.
angelofsarcasm89
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Dec 10 2009, 06:14 PM) *
^I think that, with Roy being blind and Riza being badly injured, they're gonna have to sit this out. The only thing I can see Roy doing is, since he's seen the Truth, using alchemy without a circle to create some sort of a bunker so that he and Riza, as the ones with the least defenses, will be safe.

I could see that. You know, at least now I'm sure that they'll both survive this whole thing. Both have had their required near-death experiences, so they should be good. Plus, now he'll need her more than ever after this.
FMAobsessed
@jacksparrow: That idea could work actually. And think of how much fun they could have.

jacksparrow589
^Oh my... O_O

Seriously, though, after I posted that, I remembered a dream I had... about 2.5 years ago. Roy and Riza were sort of doing that same thing that I initially suggested, and everything was going to hell around them. Maybe that'll come true? It was pretty vivid...
FMAobsessed
@jacksparrow: So did my previous comment surprise you? I guess I just have a dirty mind. But if your dream or parts of it came true in future chapters, I will be very surprised.

I was very surprised by what happened to Roy, but it also seems exactly what Arakawa's style is. But why can't I ever figure that woman out?
archronos
The only possible solution I see to Roy having his sight restored is if Arakawa pulls a Naruto and does Eye Transplants! tongue.gif

But seriously, I think if Roy were to somehow regain his sight it would erase any significance his sacrifice had.
jacksparrow589
FMAobsessed--Eh, I wasn't really suprised to see your comment, so much as I was a teensy bit surprised to see it from you. I'd suspect it of myself, naturally, but I tend not to expect the same, er, enjoyable lack of maturity in other people. (I hope for it, though!) It made me smile, though, majorly, which I needed at the moment. So thanks. smile.gif (Honestly, I'm more surprised that I came up with the same thing twice without realizing it... I think I'm going senile at 19... SCARY!)
FMAobsessed
@jacksparrow: You are welcome, and being around college guys and my brother all the time does not always make me mature. If finals are coming up for you, then you may be going senile for the moment at least.

Does anyone know how long we will have to use spoiler tags to discuss chapter 102 on this thread?
whippersnapper
QUOTE (paca @ Dec 11 2009, 04:04 AM) *


biggrin.gif And just for fun, the translation of what they're saying. Riza: forward 10m and turn left; Roy: Oh...Ok
Miverel
QUOTE (whippersnapper @ Dec 11 2009, 02:30 AM) *
QUOTE (paca @ Dec 11 2009, 04:04 AM) *


biggrin.gif And just for fun, the translation of what they're saying. Riza: forward 10m and turn left; Roy: Oh...Ok



Ha ha! Thanks for translation! I love this image! Roy looks soo... Cute!
paca
Funny and less funny points concerning Roy's blind
funny
-Now why he would want to change the uniforms? he has nothing to see, has he ? lol
-He can freely skip paperwork! Yay! O.o
-he wanted to be a kind, now blind, will he be just as justice is blind? ironic?
or the japanese myth of the monkeys see no evil
-Lust words of eyes of desesperation, or about those determinated eyes.... aren't more now truly real?... D:
-Ling and him can become good friends, Ling can teach him to "sensce~~" like Xianganese people do tongue.gif
not more for now


All the blindess situation make me remeber Star Wars again O.o .... ok, that wans't permanent D:

There is one thing that now is hard to guess...Riza said she was going to stop aiming when he reaches to the top, so I understood that she was quiting the military until he reaches his dream (or until he is safe??? I prefer the dream option).... but now will she quit and follow him but not as his lt.? or wil she now stay and protect him everytime (she does it now anywayzzz)?.... (that she will be be his side no doubt xD not a point to discuss I think, sound somehow like "in sicknes and in health" lol )



QUOTE (whippersnapper @ Dec 11 2009, 05:30 AM) *
QUOTE (paca @ Dec 11 2009, 04:04 AM) *


biggrin.gif And just for fun, the translation of what they're saying. Riza: forward 10m and turn left; Roy: Oh...Ok


hahaha, thanks for translation....
Turdaewen
QUOTE (archronos @ Dec 11 2009, 02:41 AM) *
The only possible solution I see to Roy having his sight restored is if Arakawa pulls a Naruto and does Eye Transplants! tongue.gif

But seriously, I think if Roy were to somehow regain his sight it would erase any significance his sacrifice had.

Yeah... I agree 100%

Unless there's some really strong reason to make it happen, it would be sooo... lame?
spectator
I was so shock when I saw a human meat ball and I thought it was Roy. Good thing that it wasn't! I'm guessing Arakawa sensei's choice of having Roy being blind is not a coincidence. I keep on having this strange thought of imagining Riza will exchange her eyes for Roy's sight.

Also, roy being blind also reminds me of the fan avatar of roy wearing two eye patches. That's fashion!
Alzea
^I think Kasumisty has it as her forum avatar right now...And yeah one my thoughts a while after the chapter was this av too xD
This situation reminds me about a music video for a really sad but pretty Korean song, does anyone know about which one I'm talking about?
Honestly I'm also avoiding discussion about new chapter, I'm just reading some of the theories and waiting for Arakawa. She's unpredictable and I'm not even trying to guess what is she going to do now...I'll just patiently wait, I don't feel like being nervous a whole month....But I wonder what do you think about Roy's Gate, I mean we clearly see taht's Hawkeye's tatoo there...
black~hayate
And under the tatoo erray on the door is written:
"Hawkeye was here"
StormGoddess
QUOTE (Alzea @ Dec 11 2009, 02:10 PM) *
This situation reminds me about a music video for a really sad but pretty Korean song, does anyone know about which one I'm talking about?


*raises hand* xD

QUOTE (Alzea @ Dec 11 2009, 02:10 PM) *
Honestly I'm also avoiding discussion about new chapter, I'm just reading some of the theories and waiting for Arakawa. She's unpredictable and I'm not even trying to guess what is she going to do now...But I wonder what do you think about Roy's Gate, I mean we clearly see taht's Hawkeye's tatoo there...


And talk about the tattoo, why is it that I still feel like Riza's tattoo has a big part in this series? Since the Ishbal flashback it was never mentioned again. Did it really end when he burned her back or what?

LOL sorry just woke up, dunno if my english is making sense xD
FailToImpress
QUOTE (spectator @ Dec 11 2009, 07:50 PM) *
I keep on having this strange thought of imagining Riza will exchange her eyes for Roy's sight.


Oh wow, that would be so morbidly awesome...

Also, I bet none of us would have thought that the infamous two-eyepatch icon would ever actually be relevant. laugh.gif Foreshadowing!!! lol.
Kaori Ayanami
QUOTE (paca @ Dec 11 2009, 02:53 PM) *
There is one thing that now is hard to guess...Riza said she was going to stop aiming when he reaches to the top, so I understood that she was quiting the military until he reaches his dream (or until he is safe??? I prefer the dream option).... but now will she quit and follow him but not as his lt.?
She already did, along with Breda and Fuery, remember? (By the way, when did she say that?)
Thalogens
Ok so I'm slowly recovering from the shock of BLIND!ROY and I can sort of see this in a good light now. He would look good with Cyclops style eyeglasses.

Ehh, bitter>sweet.
Reffer Lift
You know, I seem to recall this being in Brotherhood, but I don't know if it was in the original manga (I'll have to go back and check.). I remember some guys in Rush Valley having some strange things, like, automail eyes on their faces. It may make him look ugly, but maybe Roy will use that? I like fully blind Roy though... Makes for some sweet angsty Royai... XD
Irena
^ I'm pretty sure that those were some sort of magnifying tools rather than automail "eyes" - I'm not sure their technology is that advanced.
amestris_star
You know what? Amongst all the talk and negativeness there is around, I think he'll get it back *nods* That's all I have to say for the time being.
jacksparrow589
I don't want to be a Negative Nancy (my apologies if that's anyone's name here!), but what would be the point of undoing what's been done? I mean, I completely understand Ed and Al--that's what they set out to do. But Roy... I'm just not so sure. I think this is supposed to be another trial for him, and I believe that he can overcome the difficulties it brings, but it would negate all that if he were to get his eyesight back. (Still using tags because, well, I dunno who's reading this. Sorry for the hassle...)

Also, when you think about it, this opens up a whole new world of Royai possibilities. (I know, I know, it's been said, but I felt it had to be said in this post so that nobody would think I love to see Roy suffer. I don't.)
paca
QUOTE (Kaori Ayanami @ Dec 11 2009, 06:20 PM) *
QUOTE (paca @ Dec 11 2009, 02:53 PM) *
There is one thing that now is hard to guess...Riza said she was going to stop aiming when he reaches to the top, so I understood that she was quiting the military until he reaches his dream (or until he is safe??? I prefer the dream option).... but now will she quit and follow him but not as his lt.?
She already did, along with Breda and Fuery, remember? (By the way, when did she say that?)


here "util that person accomplishies his goal ... I will pull the trigger without doubt"
hawkflame
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Dec 12 2009, 06:33 AM) *
You know what? Amongst all the talk and negativeness there is around, I think he'll get it back *nods* That's all I have to say for the time being.


I dunno, for this kind of big development late in the game, it would just be a cop out or easy answer if Arakawa just undid it in a few chapters. And cop outs and easy answers are just not Arakawa's style. It's more her style to do something powerful and unexpected, which is more her way of doing things.

As much as I love Roy (He's my favorite, after all) I don't think I'd like to see him regain his sight just so quickly. It brings a much more tragic element to his character. Plus I think it'll only strengthen Royai even more.
Aribelle
I agree with you hawkflame...I kind of want Arakawa to go all the way with it. It sucks but...otherwise it just seems too convenient, you know? And this plot development would have less of an impact if it were reversed just like that :<
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (hawkflame @ Dec 12 2009, 08:56 AM) *
I dunno, for this kind of big development late in the game, it would just be a cop out or easy answer if Arakawa just undid it in a few chapters. And cop outs and easy answers are just not Arakawa's style. It's more her style to do something powerful and unexpected, which is more her way of doing things.

As much as I love Roy (He's my favorite, after all) I don't think I'd like to see him regain his sight just so quickly. It brings a much more tragic element to his character. Plus I think it'll only strengthen Royai even more.


Thing is though, all I'll say is... No one seriously thought that May would save Riza... So the possibility is there that all will be saved.

In any case though, I'm just going to wait and see what happens next.
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Dec 12 2009, 01:52 PM) *
Thing is though, all I'll say is... No one seriously thought that May would save Riza... So the possibility is there that all will be saved.

In any case though, I'm just going to wait and see what happens next.


Yes, I suppose there is that possibility, but at the same time-- twice in a row?

I'll be very surprised if he does, in fact, regain his vision. Pleasantly surprised, yes, but I'm definitely not expecting Arakawa to make the ending so happy that the world is saved and everyone goes back to normal. It just wouldn't be equivalent exchange, if you will.

Also, I think that Mustang's blindness adds far more to his character than it takes away. And as many people are repeating on this thread, the Royai potential is actually rather awesome.... happy.gif
black~hayate
It really surprises me, but after the shock was over, I wasn't upset about Roy becoming blind.
Now the Royai is guaranteed. We know that Riza won't let him alone after this. And there are possibilities for amazing scenes. I can see Riza being Roy's (Hawk)eyes. I also can imagine a Ed-Roy-fight scene, while Ed could be also taking roles of Mustangs eyes for a battle.
I want to see Roy encounter Hawkeye, first time blinded. I guess it will be like "Now I won't be able to see your beauty or eye signals or what ever..."
It also surprised me that the thing happened after Mustang and Hawkeye exchanged glares. He cannot do this anymore. But still I really really respect Cow's decition for making him blind.
I didn't mention that there are tons of possibilities how Roy can regain his sight. You all know by yourselves.
Ah did I also mention that I feel ignored at this forum sometimes? xD
SneakyRuler
I don't feel so bad for Roy as I probably should. He's in shock over seeing a bunch of horrible things in the gate and from his loss as well so we don't even know how he's actually coping. But he's strong and there's a lot of people always ready to give him a helping hand, he's put a lot of effort into building his own team so now he's surrounded by people he trusts completely. I'm not saying there's a big royai potential because, lets be honest, I see royai potential in everything, starting with a "Good morning" tongue.gif

Roy and Ed fighting together and cooperating in any way sounds awesome for me. Haven't seen anything like it thus far? Maybe that's just because Arakawa-sensei didn't want us to see alchemists combine powers, just like she didn't let Roy do any cool stuff untill his showdown with Lust. (OK, that's my wishful thinking)

QUOTE
Ah did I also mention that I feel ignored at this forum sometimes? xD


Sorry if you feel that way. I do it sometimes, I admit. When someone writes down something I completely agree with or just some interesting thought I suddenly don't know what to respond and just wait for someone else to say something meaningful other than the (probably lame) reacton I might have.

Roy and automail eyes: no way! Don't like out of aesthetic reasons more than anything else.

Edit (after a cup of coffee) - Roy's condition seems to be final for me. Not saying it's a good thing, saying I would feel betrayed if all the emotions I went through were in vain. Plus, it gives me solid proof that he'll survive in the end - he's already lost his sight, he doesn't need to lose his life. Equivalent exchange, sort of.

jacksparrow589
After that Calc II final, I'm beginning to get a sense of what it must feel like to see the Truth. I think the Gompertz equation is permanently burned into my retinas...

~hayate--Awww... We all love you, we really do! It's just hard to read and respond to every single post. I know I'm right there with you sometimes.

I'm still in the "non-reversable" camp, though, just because of how powerful that moment was. I mean, it'd be nice if it had never happened, but it did, and to take that away would leave me going, "That was... anticlimactic." Not saying it wouldn't make me happy, though.
Thalogens
@black-hayate, I hear you there, but in my case, 1/3 of my poss aren't remotely intelligent so jfjkqfj

-sigh- I'm beginning to face reality now, after writing my fic, I'm not as 'AAGGHHHWHAAATTTT?!!!' as before. And like SneakyRuler, I can see Royai everywhere too. Well, even if its the least Royai scene in the world, still think of it as Royai... ahem.

I posted this somewhere else on the 102 board, and I doubt Roy being blind will hinder him, David Blunkett is blind, and he's the Education Secretary, being blind didn't stop him. And taking into accord hat this is a mang, and it upholds the 'if you try hard enough, you can succeed etc etc' value, I still think Roy canclimb his way up to the top. The added blindness would make people like him more, as they know what he's sacrificed for his country.
The reason this predicament gives room for more Royai, is because well, Arakawa has to write it, she can't get around not writing it, because /everyone/ knows this means more Royai. If he doesn't, she has something against this couple.
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (SneakyRuler @ Dec 12 2009, 05:06 PM) *
I'm not saying there's a big royai potential because, lets be honest, I see royai potential in everything, starting with a "Good morning" tongue.gif


Ha ha! Don't get me wrong, I totally see it that way too! laugh.gif What I meant was that there's potential for them actually stating their feelings because clearly they can't do that through looks anymore. I mean, they never needed words or touches to express their feelings for each other before, but now they may actually have to. Does anyone see where I'm coming from on this? I'm not saying it should be an "I love you" or anything sappy. Still subtle, but stated directly.... If that makes sense..... rolleyes.gif

Perhaps I'm just going a bit fangirly....
SneakyRuler
I can see them saying 'I love you' and still somehow staing in character.

Roy: 'By the way, Lieutenant, I love you. In case you wonderin'
Riza: 'Okay'

laugh.gif

It's sooo not gonna happen....
jacksparrow589
The_Twilight_Trinity--I am so there with you in terms of needing words now. I'm beginning to wonder if Arakawa did this specifically for the Royai potential... it just makes so much sense that way! tongue.gif

Although, if that did happen, you'd think they'd have known it beforehand, anyway. The "I love you"/"I know" scenes from StarWars are coming very strongly to mind.
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Dec 12 2009, 05:51 PM) *
Although, if that did happen, you'd think they'd have known it beforehand, anyway. The "I love you"/"I know" scenes from StarWars are coming very strongly to mind.


If that happens then I expect it more like in Return of the Jedi than in Empire Strikes Back... wink.gif

And black~hayate, love you lots!
Kaori Ayanami
QUOTE (paca @ Dec 12 2009, 04:50 PM) *
QUOTE (Kaori Ayanami @ Dec 11 2009, 06:20 PM) *
QUOTE (paca @ Dec 11 2009, 02:53 PM) *
There is one thing that now is hard to guess...Riza said she was going to stop aiming when he reaches to the top, so I understood that she was quiting the military until he reaches his dream (or until he is safe??? I prefer the dream option).... but now will she quit and follow him but not as his lt.?
She already did, along with Breda and Fuery, remember? (By the way, when did she say that?)
here "util that person accomplishies his goal ... I will pull the trigger without doubt"
I meant "quitting the military". She already has. Quitting him is a whole different thing. wink.gif
jacksparrow589
Kale--I certainly would hope that it would be more "Empire Strikes Back"-style, too! Although with all the abuse Roy's taken as of late, and with Arakawa being a StarWars fan, I sometimes wonder if Roy's going to wind up frozen in carbonite, anyway. I mean, it's not like Han ever catches much of a break...

But now I'm getting into "General Video" forum territory, so I'll leave it at that.
angelofsarcasm89
While I'm not expecting him to get his sight back right off the bat, it would make me happy if at the end, there was a little thing that hinted that there's some kind of treatment that could help him. Not even get his vision back the way it was, but at least give him some sort of vision in one eye maybe.

Also, I am very excited for the inevitable Royai that's coming. It probably won't go anything like this, but here's what I imagine...

Riza: Oh, colonel. *Grabs his face towards her* cry.gif
Roy: Your eyes, I can't see them anymore. sorry.gif
Riza: It's alright. You still have me. sad.gif
Blah blah blah kiss inlove.gif
FMAobsessed
@black~hayate and anyone else who feels ignored at times: Sometimes this thread moves so fast that I don't have time to respond to everyone. Sometimes I want to respond to someone, and then I forget whose point I wanted to respond to because I have read even more of the thread. But back to my point, I still read your posts and think about what was being said, even if I don't write anything down.


Honestly the events of 102 bummed me out, but I am trying to think of all the wonderful Royai moments that can be given from this.
angelofsarcasm89
Random thought, Hayate's practically trained to be a seeing eye dog already. laugh.gif
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (angelofsarcasm89 @ Dec 12 2009, 10:15 PM) *
Random thought, Hayate's practically trained to be a seeing eye dog already. laugh.gif


Haha! Well, after all, Riza probably saw this coming after Lust's FORESHADOWING OF DOOM in chapter 39, so she probably decided to train him extra hard just in case.... rolleyes.gif

Haha.... Kidding....
StormGoddess
So I watched the episode today, then before the preview there was this ad about the next FMA dvd. I wasn't sure if it was Riza (in military uniform, hair down) that I saw so I checked the Japanese FMA website. It seems like they're gonna include a bonus episode about Riza and Winry?

Check it out
http://www.hagaren.jp/products/dvd02.html#dvd02

If this was mentioned before, forgive me for not reading the previous pages XD
Michiyo-
^Yes, they animated the Simple People gaiden, I can't wait to see it. happy.gif I hope someone uploads it after the DVD is out.
amestris_star
QUOTE (Michiyo- @ Dec 13 2009, 10:49 AM) *
^Yes, they animated the Simple People gaiden, I can't wait to see it. happy.gif I hope someone uploads it after the DVD is out.


Which is awesome smile.gif Well, we managed to see The Blind Alchemist gaiden, so why not this ;)

And yes, was watching the ep and went like... that's Riza with her hair down!
black~hayate
I want to see that gaiden. As soon as someone finds it, share it with us!
Oh yeah and I feel slightly loved xD I mean, very very much =)
FailToImpress
QUOTE (DoxyWings @ Dec 13 2009, 12:50 AM) *
David Blunkett is blind, and he's the Education Secretary, being blind didn't stop him.


Yep. Heck, our Prime Minister (Gordon Brown) is also blind in one eye and that hasn't stopped him either. A lot of people don't know that. tongue.gif

About Roy, though. While I can accept that him being blind is most likely final, it is by no means fair. That's what irks me about all of this; he didn't ask for it, he didn't provoke it in any way. I know that life, in general, is never fair. However there comes a point where it just takes the biscuit.
_Jelly
QUOTE (Michiyo- @ Dec 13 2009, 08:49 PM) *
^Yes, they animated the Simple People gaiden, I can't wait to see it. happy.gif I hope someone uploads it after the DVD is out.


Do you have a link to this "Simple People" gaiden, I've never even heard of it before.


And yes this thread moves way too fast.
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