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FMAobsessed
I am in the same boat as Distantblue I don't know how to feel about Roy's situation right now. But I am going to stay positive and believe that not everything can end that badly.
The_Twilight_Trinity
GAH. Just read the chapter..... That's really terrible for Roy, but for some reason I think I saw it coming in a way....

Now he's going to need Riza by his side more than ever.... I'm not going to see this as such a bad moment for Royai actually.
FMAobsessed
I agree with The_Twilight_Trinity: I see the good Royai possibilities from all this.

But still sad.gif
Kale Mustang
Posted my reasons as to why I believe that eyes/sight was taken from him in the manga thread, so if you're curious, feel free to read.

At this point, amestris_star's been suffering a major mental meltdown in regards to the chapter, but I still think that this was a great chapter, despite Roy losing his eyes.

For the Royai possibilities, Riza's always been his 'eyes' and I doubt that's ever going to change. smile.gif
angelofsarcasm89
I do see where the Royai can come in, but it's still heartbreaking to see him like that. His goal is out of his reach, for a long long time at the very least. I'm really kind of hoping that once they beat father, everybody goes back to normal. The boys get their bodies, Izumi gets her organs, and Roy gets his eyesight and the chance to live a long happy life with Riza. I know it's a long shot, but it's kinda the only thing keeping me from losing it and being depressed over Christmas.
Michiyo-
Riza will be heartbroken when she learns that Roy became blind. But I'm trying to remain positive and think that everything will be allright in the end. Roy has to get his eyesight back!
Kale Mustang
I'm guessing that once they beat Father, all will be restored to their former selves. So, hopefully Roy will gain his sight back.

But again, he can always depend on Riza to be his eyes. Afterall, you don't need to see to be a true leader so long as you can already 'see' the truth.
Causmicfire
The funny thing is Roy can literally lose his sight without figuratively losing it, as in his sight for the future of the country.

I predict some frustrated Roy fic coming on...
Tombow
*cough*

Reminder to everyone.... Not every poster/viewer of this thread is up to chapter 102 in reading FMA manga. Some are still in chap 70's, 80's, 90's, etc. Please be kind, and use SPOILER tags. smile.gif
Miverel
I've just finished Ch102... Not to mention that I cried almost all time reading it, but what I'd love to see now is how will Riza react when she meets up wit Mustang! I believe it's gonna be intense!

And you know what? I hope that Roy well memorised Riza's face... From now on he'll only be able to 'look at her' trough his hands... Mmm... It meand a lot of touches and hugs! XD
FailToImpress
About chapter 102:

I am SO utterly heartbroken. I didn't see that coming and my god, I feel for Roy. That's some amount of shock to go through to realise you can't see any more. I never thought Arakawa would be so cruel! I should've seen it coming, though, and I didn't. As usual.

That said, and I don't know if this is just fangirl hope talking, I'm waiting to see how this pans out and I wonder if there's any way for Roy to get his sight back.

If he does remain as he is, all is not lost. He can still achieve the goal of being Fuhrer while blind, and to be honest I think it's a kind of dreamy idea. I mean, he's given up everything to achieve that goal, I imagine a lot of people would admire him just for that.
Turdaewen
To be perfectly honest, I don't feel heartbroken at all!
I thought it was actually brilliant what Arakawa did in that sense, and I don't think it means the end is going to be a sad one.
Actually, FMA is just starting to sound more and more like Arakawa to me and that's why I like her so much: building up character in a sort of sense to make them grow.

As I said in the topic about the chapter, she always seems to take the character's suffering and turning it into something that leads the story forward:

Ed and Al wouldn't be who they are if they didn't attempt to resurrect their mother, Izumi wouldn't be herself if she hadn't lost her son... And Roy would not be who he is if he didn't kill Ishvalans, if he hadn't lost Hughes... and now, this, only makes things come full circle into making him a person who gave practically EVERYTHING for his country.
His pride was something that always got in the way of him becoming Furher and being blind may make him a more humble, centered person. Enough for him to trully be the sort of leader he dreamed of.

So, the Truth is not actually cruel in that sense: it takes away something that will be important for that person's growth, to give them "a lesson". And that's VERY Arakawa's style.

In the end, Arakawa always makes something like that, that takes the characters to the next level of comprehension, of maturity, by the experiences that might have destroyed them, but were everything that they trully needed to achieve what they wanted, even though they might at first think it was a bad thing...
Like "forged by fire".

So, of course, I'm sorry for Roy... he went through a lot in his life, but, at the same time, he wants to be the King!! And it takes a LOT to be that. It requires all of him and now, he's beginning to understand that his goal will demand his life.


It's actually kinda epic, for me... just like Ulisses in the Odissey. XD
paca
I agree with Turdaewen, if Roy was the one who asked a nearly death Havock, totally usless in the hospital to stand up and join him he can be so hypocrit to become the sad one type :/. Now he is actually in shock, disoriented, he didn't want to open the gate for power.... I think that with the payment truth has taken he has to get over something mental and not regarding to what he ahs seen inside like many others... I mean with the idea of not being able to see anymore....

Ironicaly prevoius chapters "looks" where a kind of recurrent topic I mean, when Riza asked about understanding her eys signal or when meeting Fullmetal and Scar, Roy asked for seeing those pure tears again, which can be coming anytime, but maybe he will never notice or maybe feel them T_T....

Oooo, these two have been "talking"/comunicating for a little bit too long with theirs eyes, signals, litarally no words...or no contact...(so is what many of us where talking about in this topic, is the way they interact and it was strong enough to need no words)....now Riza needs words T^T.....

The stuff of losing what they really wanted but somehow it being posible to be there , specially in Roy's case reminds me in a strange way to bat in the blue sky, she "had" what she wanted, but far, or like not as a happy ending should be D:....


@The_Twilight_Trinity and FMAobsessed: xD I just don't want to say he woul need Riza more than before for being blind he need her anyways xDDDD but as I have already said they now need word ñ_ñ to comunicate with each other there we may find something royaish~~


Just one more thing xD, the ball-mad-doctors-page killed me haha they where all like ...Oh! no Roooooyyy O.o
SneakyRuler
Seconded. I feel sorry for Roy and regret for what he lost but I believe in his strenght of character. If he survives the promised day (as current development of manga suggests), he'll be able to move on, become Fuhrer and make Amestris a better country. He doesn't need his sight for that. He's got a buch of loyal supporters, Riza included and they won't let him fall (or walk into the wall, for the matter tongue.gif )

I don't think Roy's that heartbroken over his condotion, he's just disorientated and in shock - as anyone would be. But if you compare his reaction to his anger toward Envy or his fear of losing Riza... he's gonna be OK.


Chapter 102 was far more than I expected and I loved it. There's a possibility I'll feel more and more sad for what happened lately but right now... I just want the next as soon as possible. it's great Christmas and New Year celebration and than exams in school take my mind off it.

@paca: You're so right with their communication just by eyes or looks. And Roy wanting to see Riza's 'pure tears' Heh, they need to develop set og signals and codes again. But I trust them inthis field, they're creative!.
StormGoddess
So... do you guys think he could still get his sight back? I mean, what he lost was his ability to see and not his eyes, right?
paca
@SneakyRuler : heheh, let's wait for creativity xD...maybe now we will hear something or a hug or.... xD

QUOTE (sToRm GodDesS @ Dec 10 2009, 10:53 AM) *
So... do you guys think he could still get his sight back? I mean, what he lost was his ability to see and not his eyes, right?


I don't think so, Hoho has already talked with Izumi about that type of injuries regarding truth...:/ .... but maybe Ling or anyother from Xiang can teach him to "feel" so he maybe less clumsy lol
SneakyRuler
@sToRm GodDesS I personally think it's possible... theoretically. Don't believe it happens. I imagine Roy lost his sight not only on the symbolic level, more so his nerves connecting eyeballs to brain were taken...or his retinas... that's how I imagine it, his condiction MUST have some physiological background as Izumi lost her ability to carry babies not by getting suddenly infertile 'just because' but by losing some of her inner organs.
Turdaewen
@sToRm GodDesS It is possible, but, actually, I don't think it WILL happen, neither that it SHOULD happen:

For me, it shouldn't because that would be totally cliché and FMA is not Saint Seiya or DBZ. It's a mature story which doesn't rely on making 'big scenes' and 'big losses' only to take it back and make people 'perfect' again. Everything that happens affects the FMA characters in a way that they lives can never go back to way they were before.
It's just not that type of shounen, so I would be really disappointed to see something like that.

And I think it won't because that's not the way Arakawa usually writes, so, unless she has a VERY good reason to do so, in a very criative, "unexpected" way, she won't. Not for the sake of Fanservice or to make Royai/Roy's fans happy.


So, unless, there's a pretty good reason, I don't see it happening.
Levive
You know, I've been thinking about this chapter the whole day and I came to my conclusion - the truth is not so just after all. Oh come on, I know he has to pay for stepping into God's territory but Roy didn't open the gate of his own free will. Heck, he refused to do so. Why is The Truth so cruel and evil to take his eyesight away? That's just not fair for me. Of course this will affect Roy's personality and probably make him realize some things and make him even more awesome, but still... That's so cruel....

And, as above, I can't see it coming. It would be totally... out of story maybe?
angelofsarcasm89
QUOTE (Levive @ Dec 10 2009, 09:08 AM) *
You know, I've been thinking about this chapter the whole day and I came to my conclusion - the truth is not so just after all. Oh come on, I know he has to pay for stepping into God's territory but Roy didn't open the gate of his own free will. Heck, he refused to do so. Why is The Truth so cruel and evil to take his eyesight away? That's just not fair for me. Of course this will affect Roy's personality and probably make him realize some things and make him even more awesome, but still... That's so cruel....

I know! I was like, "Wait, you jerk! He didn't even want to come there!"

When he came out and he wasn't bleeding or missing any limbs, I was half-expecting it to flash back over to the rest of the group and for Riza to be in the middle of the circle or something. May told her "Don't go in there, you'll get sucked in too!" and I was kinda hoping that those fake spoilers about her following him through the gate were real afterall.
jacksparrow589
^Oh man, I wasn't! I'll admit that the thought crossed my mind, though.

I'm with the "not-so-heartbroken" group. I was stunned at first, but it makes sense in a rather ironic way. I don't believe that it can be undone, either, but as has been said, that doesn't mean that there's no possibility for a "happy" ending. In fact, I, too, think that overcoming adversity is going to play a huge role. Not saying that there won't be unhappy moments, but making it despite all your troubles is central to FMA.
Alzea
^Ok, I just second this, I was like WTH~NO! and I shed some tears but it really does make sense. Right now I'm just hoping it won't turn out like in the superb-crappy FMA movie and he won't go oh-so-emo-angsty...I'm slowly getting over this and I'm not going to even try to predict anything, I will just patiently wait till the next chapter...
Sweetdeath04
I agree with Alzea, I hope Roy doesn't turn out like he did in the movie... But to be honest I think he'll be okay. He's just in a bit of shock at the moment.

The main problem at the moment is that if Roy can't see, he's basically a sitting duck in this fight. Sure, he can use alchemy but he can't see where to shoot his flames and that really means he can't use it without the fear of burning one of his allies.

Brilliant work by Arakawa in this chapter though. I feel like I've been sucker-punched right in the gut...
Miverel
QUOTE
It's a mature story which doesn't rely on making 'big scenes' and 'big losses' only to take it back and make people 'perfect' again.


Of course you're right but when I recall all this recent situation with Riza I believe Roy's fate is not decided yet wink.gif
Recent 'big scene' was Riza's death... And what? Then Mai arrives, saves the day, we have another big scene and Riza's 'perfect' again ;P

Anyway, Roy didn't seek the truth, he didn't want to open the gate but he's another example that price for alchemy must be paid... And I bet Riza will take care of him! smile.gif
StormGoddess
I'm slowly trying to get over it, but still T_T. When I first saw the page where he said it's pitch black or something, I thought, "Is father's lair really that dark?" Then the next page came and boom! Instant tears on my eyes crybaby.gif

Oh well, at least he didn't bleed to death. And lets just hope he wouldn't end up covering his face with two eyepatches LOL *is shot* That thought reminds me of an old animated gif joke about anime1Roy's eyepatch.
paca
QUOTE (Sweetdeath04 @ Dec 10 2009, 12:49 PM) *
The main problem at the moment is that if Roy can't see, he's basically a sitting duck in this fight. Sure, he can use alchemy but he can't see where to shoot his flames and that really means he can't use it without the fear of burning one of his allies.


yes, that's true, his own alchemy is now danguerous for him...unless somehow tells him where to aim maybe O.o.... but remember that is his speciallity but not the only alchemy he can do, and nowhe has seen the gate.... and somehow if he wants to be the king he doesn't need and alchemy as flame alchemy which is totally destructive....
yes, he may not fight under there, but he has had his fighting moments the prevoius chapters showing the highest level of his alchemy and power, now is time to settle down
Turdaewen
QUOTE (Miverel @ Dec 10 2009, 02:00 PM) *
QUOTE
It's a mature story which doesn't rely on making 'big scenes' and 'big losses' only to take it back and make people 'perfect' again.


Of course you're right but when I recall all this recent situation with Riza I believe Roy's fate is not decided yet wink.gif
Recent 'big scene' was Riza's death... And what? Then Mai arrives, saves the day, we have another big scene and Riza's 'perfect' again ;P

Anyway, Roy didn't seek the truth, he didn't want to open the gate but he's another example that price for alchemy must be paid... And I bet Riza will take care of him! smile.gif

It's not. But what I meant is that FMA is not like other fantasy animes where people recover things so there'll be a 'happy ending', very fanservice like (like resurrecting characters and the like).
So, if he indeed recovers, it will be because there's an objective to it, not just because "we want it".

And believe me: nothing happens in this series without a reason, so, no character goes by unpunished through ANY experiences and everything changes them, somewhat, even if it's not on a physical level.

Morover, no one ever said that you have to be aware of the 'laws' to suffer from it. Quite the contrary: even not being aware (or even 'to blame' in a sense) of something, we suffer it's consequences just the same. And that's not unfair: that's the way life teaches us and it's up to us to make experience out of a bad outcome. (otherwise, how could we say there's justice in life and death?)
Roy in a way 'asked' for hardship the minute he decided he wanted to 'get to the top', cause the dream of being Fürher requires him to give up EVERYTHING: the chance of a normal life, the chance to avenge his friend, his pride... and that is also equivalent exchange: is the price he has to pay to fullfill his dream. And so he can understand there's nothing that is truly his that someone can take away.
FailToImpress
Don't get me wrong I'm sorry for Roy and all, but it is a rather good twist. tongue.gif

I never expected it at all, and it does make sense in an ironic way, but you only ever realise that after the deed is done.
IceSkadi
After the latest chapter I think that we will see a lot of Roy and Riza moments both in the near future and at the conclusion of the series

I'm looking forward her reaction in the next chapters, but I think that both of them won't be so useful...Riza was saved by the bell and Roy cannot use his alchemy properly (and he is wounded as well)
Levive
Well, I think that Roy indeed won't be so useful in the nearest future, but he'll play some big role later, when he'll pull himself together. And with Riza's help (come on, we all know she'll accompany him no matter what, "follow him to hell") they all together will triumph over evil! Happily ever after! It's just that... Roy is Roy, he'll do everything he can, for sure he'll find a way to use alchemy.
paca
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Dec 10 2009, 01:54 PM) *
Roy in a way 'asked' for hardship the minute he decided he wanted to 'get to the top', cause the dream of being Fürher requires him to give up EVERYTHING: the chance of a normal life, the chance to avenge his friend, his pride... and that is also equivalent exchange: is the price he has to pay to fullfill his dream. And so he can understand there's nothing that is truly his that someone can take away.


I agree with you.

He never somehow wanted/dreamed/aimed for a normal life (not as Maes who wanted to have one) you can see it in the exactly moment Riza asked him when she will see him again in her father's funeral.... he simply answers that he will die wearing the uniform, he won't come back.... isn't that enough prove that he has given up to have a normal life...and then to add something more we have all the furher stuff .....

The prize to get to the top is high.... equivalent exchange?
jacksparrow589
^This is very true. I never thought of it quite that way until now, but it's so true.

And when Riza told him not to die at her father's grave... Eesh. I'm scared now. But I guess Roy is still needed alive, so, even in his current state, I'd say there's a pretty good chance of him making it out of this alive. Worse for the wear, perhaps, but alive all the same.
Thalogens
I know this goes against everything etc etc, and it probably won't happen, etc...

But knowing that Amestris' automail is way ahead of the 'automail' of our world, and that I think doctors here have fitted someone with light censor eyes/equipment or something like that etc etc... it would be interesting to see Roy with AUTOMAIL EYES. I mean, if its his nerve endings that have been damaged/his retinas, then couldnt they be 'repaired' the same way Ed can use his automail, the electric currents moving from nerves to wire (or something, I'm guessing) and back to eyes? or new eyes alltgether? It would be fun to see him with X Men-Cyclops style glasses/mask thing. I don't know the anatomy of the eye (grr, that and the neck have hindered mee) so... is that even plausible in the least?
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (paca @ Dec 10 2009, 09:57 AM) *
The prize to get to the top is high.... equivalent exchange?


I believe so, as true the moment you start aiming for a life less ordinary, you know that you will never be the same.

For example, elections of public officials are a big deal as people have their favorites/are fans of a specific candidate. Said candidate though, they go from relative anonymity (rather safe in their life) to having their name everywhere - and it's at that point that everyone wants to know everything about you. So you lose the privacy as well as any chance you have at regaining an ordinary life where no one knew about you.

For Roy, he knew that normality/mediocrity was never going to be enough for him - particularly that at Hawkeye-sensei's grave - as he saw that becoming a State Alchemist, he wanted to better the lives of the people of Amestris. In doing so, he was already pledging to be a leader for the people.

His goal was/is to be Fuhrer and prevent another Ishval from happening - a promise he made at the end of the war - goes back to his original dream of wanting to better the lives of the people. Because of his status as a 'war hero', he became well-known and popular, thus again, stripping him of ever leading an ordinary life. And the decision to aim for the top, that's a pretty high ladder to climb that was never going to be easy to begin with.

Then again, could one ever say that his life has been ordinary to begin with, after all, his 'mother' is really his aunt - who also happens to be an owner of a bar/brothel and is well-connected in regards to gathering information about people.
Michiyo-
Sorry to change topic: The Wii game is out today and someone already started uploading gameplay videos.
Here's a video in which Roy saves Riza from the falling tower:
http://www.nicozon.net/watch/sm9056447

That's the first Royai moment in the game. biggrin.gif

I posted more videos here:
http://www.fullmetal-alchemist.com/forums/...st&p=715701
amestris_star
Thanks for that, maybe it'll cheer me up a little bit.

Anyway, if you notice that I'm not being that present, it's that I'm still in shock and just don't feel like talking about it...
jacksparrow589
Michiyo---Thanks for the link! (And the lighter Royai subject matter!) That definitely warmed my heart and made me smile. Awww... wub.gif
Michiyo-
@amestris_star: You're not alone, I'm still in shock too.

At least this video is here to cheer us up. smile.gif
paca
lol
pic <3
regarding chapter 102 xDDDD roy's solution? (Spoiler Warning!! ^^)

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Michiyo thanks for the link ;D

... jacksparrow589: I don't expect him to die in connection of that words....

but they are for me a kind of "I'm refusing a normal life, and that's what I want"...and so Riza know he won't come back and just ask him to stay alive...but with her question wasn't she expecting something?.... and a few years later she joins the military, where he was, and where he would stay forever... D:
IceSkadi
Nice video and awesome pic xD

I wonder if Arakawa will do some jokes about what's happened at these two during the latest chapters in one of her omakes (4-koma is the right name?)

She's so good to take the heat out of the situation, even the saddest one tongue.gif
FailToImpress
QUOTE (DoxyWings @ Dec 10 2009, 07:14 PM) *
it would be interesting to see Roy with AUTOMAIL EYES. I mean, if its his nerve endings that have been damaged/his retinas, then couldnt they be 'repaired' the same way Ed can use his automail, the electric currents moving from nerves to wire (or something, I'm guessing) and back to eyes? or new eyes alltgether? It would be fun to see him with X Men-Cyclops style glasses/mask thing. I don't know the anatomy of the eye (grr, that and the neck have hindered mee) so... is that even plausible in the least?


THAT WOULD BE SO COOL
Lol. I actually saw a programme about giving sight to the blind and it takes a lot of bulky equipment, opening up the skull to put sensors on the brain and such. Even then they could only differentiate between light and dark space, it was nowhere near perfect... and it was very unreliable.


Also... I can't see any of those videos, my internet is being dodgy at the minute so I'll try again soon. I can't read the website so that doesn't help either. I fail.
Edit: lol nevermind, I never saw the 'play' link on the site, my bad. tongue.gif
amestris_star
QUOTE (Michiyo- @ Dec 10 2009, 09:00 PM) *
@amestris_star: You're not alone, I'm still in shock too.

At least this video is here to cheer us up. smile.gif


Thanks dear, at least there are other people as depressed as I am at the moment... *sighs*
Forsaken Love
i highly doubt automail eyes are possible even in fma, (i ironically had a physics exam today and we had a lot on lenses includin how the eye works) its just not possible, well not to get his proper vision back anyway, I know there is experimental technology in the real world but its just flashes of light and stuff, well i guess it could be possible but very difficult, and it depends which part of his eye was taken, maybe a future amestrias could have the technology but i cant see them having it now

oh the plus side XD I'm not convinced roy is gonna stay blind at all, if ed and al are intending to get there bodies back, whos to say izumi and roy wont reclaim theres?
jacksparrow589
I'd argue that the possibility alone of Roy regaining his eyesight is contingent upon where along the path things got disconnected, and the nature of the disconnection itself.

Regardless, I'd say that, because of the way FMA tends to go, it's probably not going to happen, anyway. It'd just be too easy. Or, if Roy were to go back to the Gate to get his eyesight back, something else would probably be taken, and I don't even want to think what that might be. There might be that same issue with Ed and Al, although I wonder if they traded back their ability to perform alchemy without a circle, could they regain what's been taken? (This last bit spoiler-tagged only because it hints at what happened to Roy.)

paca--Ah, I'm just being paranoid. There are so many moments in FMA that, looking back, were foreshadowed/hinted at, and now I'm at the "can't be too careful" stage of figuring out what is or isn't foreshadowing. I really do think (and hope and wish and all that jazz) that Roy (and Riza) will make it out alive.
rainbowcatgirl
Is Roy blind in both eyes?


God epic chapter, reminded me of Oedipus, the greek tragedy and the irony of fate ......
jacksparrow589
rainbowcatgirl--Yes. He says it's pitch black, and both his eyes are open. You might want to spoiler tag that, as there might be people who haven't read 102 looking at this site. smile.gif
The_Twilight_Trinity
I think that if Roy miraculously got his sight back it would just be too good to be true. I'm not going to say that it's impossible, just that it's highly improbable. I actually rather like the twist as it is, though it's depressing that he's lost his sight. Still I feel like this may make Roy and even better leader in the end, as has been said many times in the last few pages of this thread.

Also..... It could have been so much worse....
FMAobsessed
I am with Michyo~ and amestris_star: I don't really know exactly how to feel about this chapter. All I know was that I was so happy reading chapter 101, now I read 102 and I am just like "oh." I feel like I should have avoided looking for spoilers, and reading the chapter until my finals were over.

I think the most heartbreaking situation for me, will be when Riza first discovers that Roy is blind. That will make me sad. But I know that both of them will pick themselves back up. I mean they are Roy and Riza.
StormGoddess
And if there's a possibility that he could be healed using a philosopher's stone, we all know he'll definitely use it to cure havoc first. sad.gif



Btw, Tombow, thanks for reminding us XD
Tombow

Reminder to everyone (yes, again, ^^ ..since this thread is growing so fast right now XD) ....

Not every poster/viewer of this thread is up to chapter 102 in FMA manga reading. Some are still in chap 70's, 80's, 90's, etc. Please be kind, and remember to use SPOILER tags while discussing the certain major happening of the chapter 102. smile.gif

Thank you, and please continue the discussions!! ^^
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