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Kale Mustang
QUOTE (Aribelle @ Oct 28 2009, 04:44 PM) *
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Oct 28 2009, 03:14 PM) *
...Of course all of this time that is spent in emotionally investing yourself into the characters tend to take its toll too...as we've seen with the release of recent chapters. wink.gif

Aha, luckily (or unluckily) for me school eats up all the emotions that would otherwise fuel my fangirling, so I've been handling recent events relatively well XD

But regarding the kiss, I wouldn't mind a spontaneous/heat of the moment type deal. That's the only circumstance that wouldn't be awkward IMO. Although it could be awkward later. But yeah, otherwise I feel like it would be too...I dunno, I just wouldn't like it. Lol. But whatever happens happens.


True, but judging the reactions of people in this thread (as well as in the manga spoiler threads)...yeah, it's an even split 'round these parts laugh.gif

A spontaneous kiss would be fitting in the heat of the moment - but again, it would fall into the awkward category shortly afterwards, followed by the confused pining...which would then lead to the justification and then we'd be left with a cliffhanger. <- For those following this thought, it's basically breaking down the Han & Leia kiss and aftermath in Empire Strikes Back wink.gif
FMAobsessed
I agree with Reffer Lift I think that Roy and Riza dropping their formalities and titles would be awesome. I mean they have known each other for a long time.

I wonder if Roy will call Riza, Riza and not Lieutenant in 101. It is not impossible because he has called her by her first name when he was panicking

Welcome BlindDetective!
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Oct 28 2009, 05:16 PM) *
I agree with Reffer Lift I think that Roy and Riza dropping their formalities and titles would be awesome. I mean they have known each other for a long time.


The thing with this though, and I believe I said something about it a while ago, is that their formalities and use of titles is what makes their relationship so unique. For them, it's really hard to drop the formalities, as well as dangerous as they're in a position where even the slightest slip puts the other in danger.

As for the use of titles, it keeps them from getting too close to one another but at the same time, the formal titles might serve as a term of endearment as well - just by inflecting or stressing the tone when saying it.
FMAobsessed
@Kale: I think it will be easier to tell if the titles are forms of endearment in Brotherhood. To me at least, especially in 29, Roy and Riza definately spoke in a softer tone to each other.
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Oct 28 2009, 06:09 PM) *
@Kale: I think it will be easier to tell if the titles are forms of endearment in Brotherhood. To me at least, especially in 29, Roy and Riza definately spoke in a softer tone to each other.


Oh I think so too, especially since the VAs are doing a fantastic job with the voice work for the two. But then again, a scene like that exchange isn't totally indicative as they were standing outside of HQ and probably knew that they were being watched. Either way though, there will be more scenes that will develop their relationship with one another.

Besides, we also have the 'Elizabeth was taken away by another man' scene coming up, and that alone seems to speak volumes.
FMAobsessed
I hope they keep the Elizabeth was taken away by another man scene. What I really want them to keep is Roy's facial expression when he tells Madame Christmas the news. It is so adorable, yet it says so much more than the actual dialogue.
jacksparrow589
Hello, Blind Detective! Yay for more new people!

Gah! I can hardly contain my excitement and anxiety for 101 and any Royai moments that will occur later in Brotherhood, let alone Ishbal this weekend!

Kale--Yay, StarWars romantic tension! Glad I've got company where a love of StarWars is concerned!

Reffer Lift--Yeah, Eureka 7 did work out rather well in balancing romance and macho robot goodness and angst... To have something like that happen with Roy and Riza as a closure would make me VERRRRRY happy.

As to InuYasha and Rumiko Takahashi's stuff... I preferred Ranma 1/2. InuYasha was an endless cycle for me. Well, the same could be argued for/against Ranma, but I thought Ranma was more entertaining.
Causmicfire
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Oct 28 2009, 09:01 AM) *
You know this whole 'supporting/help me' is very Arakawa like, if you think it through.

I'm not sure if anyone else here is familiar with the other Arakawa's works, but, me myself, I'm a HUGE fan of Arakawa's and I've read practically everything she's ever done. And, many of the times, she establishes something like a Roy/Riza relationship.

It's very interesting how Arakawa puts the women behind the leaders in her mangas as if they were a sort of fortress for the men. *.*
Very cute!


I think she's very big on the protector/protected(supporter/supported) where the roles often reverse kind of relationships, too.

"Behind every great man, is a (even) great(er) woman"....yeah, that would be a view I can see Arakawa holding. Though, in this day and age, I can see people wanting to say beside instead of behind.

As for the kiss topic, I really don't see it happening, and would prefer it not to, but I'm the type of person who like the "leave it to the imagination" endings with novels/games/stories in general [i]The Giver[/b] being the book that hooked me on them.

Not only that, but I feel it would be out of character, she wouldn't want to kiss him with her last breaths, but to remind him he needs to keep going. I'd rather see that than a farewell kiss.

Welcome to our thread BlindDetective, I hope you enjoy your stay.
FailToImpress
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Oct 29 2009, 01:29 AM) *
Besides, we also have the 'Elizabeth was taken away by another man' scene coming up, and that alone seems to speak volumes.


True that, I always forget about these little tidbits since I read the manga ages ago. When I see these bits animated I remember again and it's a good feeling!
Turdaewen
QUOTE (Causmicfire @ Oct 29 2009, 01:00 AM) *
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Oct 28 2009, 09:01 AM) *
You know this whole 'supporting/help me' is very Arakawa like, if you think it through.

I'm not sure if anyone else here is familiar with the other Arakawa's works, but, me myself, I'm a HUGE fan of Arakawa's and I've read practically everything she's ever done. And, many of the times, she establishes something like a Roy/Riza relationship.

It's very interesting how Arakawa puts the women behind the leaders in her mangas as if they were a sort of fortress for the men. *.*
Very cute!


I think she's very big on the protector/protected(supporter/supported) where the roles often reverse kind of relationships, too.

"Behind every great man, is a (even) great(er) woman"....yeah, that would be a view I can see Arakawa holding. Though, in this day and age, I can see people wanting to say beside instead of behind.

As for the kiss topic, I really don't see it happening, and would prefer it not to, but I'm the type of person who like the "leave it to the imagination" endings with novels/games/stories in general [i]The Giver[/b] being the book that hooked me on them.

Not only that, but I feel it would be out of character, she wouldn't want to kiss him with her last breaths, but to remind him he needs to keep going. I'd rather see that than a farewell kiss.

Welcome to our thread BlindDetective, I hope you enjoy your stay.


Yeah... I agree with you on that: is more beside than behind, which is even better.

And, to be truly honest, It's kinda hard for me to look at FMA as a shounen, because 90% of the shounen around a TRULY superficial in all senses of the word.
Arakawa really develops her characters as real people, and not just in regards to power or action or even relationships as most shounens do. She brings elements to her story I haven't seen in any other shounen around (not even in Inuyasha, which is another anime I don't know where to put, since I know more girls than boys who like it)
So, I don't think there's any problem in having a romance in FMA because FMA is not about 'action', is about all aspects of life. And being about ALL aspects of life, it means it won't turn out to be a shoujo EITHER, because kissing and saying "I love you" is not what this is all about, either.

I guess the first thing is to try to see that not every anime has to fall into a single category as to: if is not a shounen, is a shoujo, or a seinen or any other stereotypes we see around, cause none of them define FMA, nor many of the greatest animes I've ever seen: most of them are great BECAUSE they don't belong anywhere, but 'form a genre of itself', as Cowboy Bebop well put it... It takes these mangas farther from 'just entertainment or marketing' and brings them closer to art, it and for itself., which indeed they are.

So I don't see any problems in having a romantic moment in FMA, just as I don't see a problem with them dealing with something as heavy as a dictatorship. It's not going to be like a shoujo romance because this is not a shoujo, but just the same, the action in FMA is not like it is in most shounens because FMA is hardly a shounen itself.

So, my point is, since FMA is sorta 'one of a kind', we shouldn't expect it to be "shounen-like" nor "shoujo-like", but more of "Arakawa-like".
jacksparrow589
Turdaewen--O.O Wow. I am IMPRESSED! You said that so eloquently that I really think you deserve a round of applause or something. And that really gives me hope, considering that Arakawa can always pull off some sort of crazy surprise and still have it be believable within the story. Hopefully, any further surprises we get concerning Roy and Riza are good ones!
Kale Mustang
As far as whether or not FMA can be classified properly as a 'shounen manga' or not, I'm rather glad that there's more of a trend in blurring the lines in defining what type of genre a manga is.

For me, manga can be just as involved and interesting as books, but just like their literary counterparts, there can be the stigma of being defined by what you read. So, the fact that more series are embracing having several different elements in their storytelling and style makes me very happy - and I'm also all for character development.

Of course, the thing I don't want is that to have development that is counter-intuitive or counter-productive to specific characters involved. Which strangely leads back to the whole kissing and admitting of feelings on Roy & Riza's parts...I can't see them being explicitly open about admitting everything, but at the same time I can see them hinting or admitting things here and there as much more in tune with their characters. I mean, it's one thing whenever Hughes basically says that he loves Gracia - it's to be expected, but it's another thing when Roy openly admits his feelings - it unexpected, but at the same time, it seems not really him.

Make sense?
Turdaewen
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Oct 29 2009, 02:02 PM) *
As far as whether or not FMA can be classified properly as a 'shounen manga' or not, I'm rather glad that there's more of a trend in blurring the lines in defining what type of genre a manga is.

For me, manga can be just as involved and interesting as books, but just like their literary counterparts, there can be the stigma of being defined by what you read. So, the fact that more series are embracing having several different elements in their storytelling and style makes me very happy - and I'm also all for character development.

Of course, the thing I don't want is that to have development that is counter-intuitive or counter-productive to specific characters involved. Which strangely leads back to the whole kissing and admitting of feelings on Roy & Riza's parts...I can't see them being explicitly open about admitting everything, but at the same time I can see them hinting or admitting things here and there as much more in tune with their characters. I mean, it's one thing whenever Hughes basically says that he loves Gracia - it's to be expected, but it's another thing when Roy openly admits his feelings - it unexpected, but at the same time, it seems not really him.

Make sense?

Perfect sense. ^^ And I agree with every word of it.

This is not a teen romance novel for that sort of scene to happen, therefore, something like that would seem out of place and just plain cheeky.
But, in that sense, I believe entirely in Arakawa's intuition and sensibility to not make something like that: she's just too good for such a basic mistake.

But, at the same time, I can see something romantic between Roy and Riza... not in the sense of kissing or proposing or anything of the sort, but a exchange of smiles and lines that imply a deeper relationship (like the scene at the end of FMA 1. Strangely enough that was REALLY Arakawaish, the way I look at it.). In that sense, I can perfectly see something happening.
FailToImpress
^But if they do things that imply a deeper relationship, what's wrong with us seeing the actual relationship? There has to be one somewhere, and I guess it's only a matter of whether Arakawa actually writes/draws about it. <- By the way, what I just said doesn't really reflect what I personally want to see happening, it was just a thought.

As for them both being open about feelings to one another... I can definitely see it (although maybe that's just because I'm a hopeless romantic). They're only human, they surely won't go tip-toeing around the issue forever, rules or no rules. People have different personalities for different occasions and I don't think a confession of feelings is too out of character.

That said, a judge of character is subjective, thus our opinions are all different on the matter and I don't think there's a right or wrong here.

Also, love makes you do silly things wink.gif
Kaleidoscope
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Oct 29 2009, 10:45 AM) *
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Oct 29 2009, 02:02 PM) *
As far as whether or not FMA can be classified properly as a 'shounen manga' or not, I'm rather glad that there's more of a trend in blurring the lines in defining what type of genre a manga is.

For me, manga can be just as involved and interesting as books, but just like their literary counterparts, there can be the stigma of being defined by what you read. So, the fact that more series are embracing having several different elements in their storytelling and style makes me very happy - and I'm also all for character development.

Of course, the thing I don't want is that to have development that is counter-intuitive or counter-productive to specific characters involved. Which strangely leads back to the whole kissing and admitting of feelings on Roy & Riza's parts...I can't see them being explicitly open about admitting everything, but at the same time I can see them hinting or admitting things here and there as much more in tune with their characters. I mean, it's one thing whenever Hughes basically says that he loves Gracia - it's to be expected, but it's another thing when Roy openly admits his feelings - it unexpected, but at the same time, it seems not really him.

Make sense?

Perfect sense. ^^ And I agree with every word of it.

This is not a teen romance novel for that sort of scene to happen, therefore, something like that would seem out of place and just plain cheeky.
But, in that sense, I believe entirely in Arakawa's intuition and sensibility to not make something like that: she's just too good for such a basic mistake.

But, at the same time, I can see something romantic between Roy and Riza... not in the sense of kissing or proposing or anything of the sort, but a exchange of smiles and lines that imply a deeper relationship (like the scene at the end of FMA 1. Strangely enough that was REALLY Arakawaish, the way I look at it.). In that sense, I can perfectly see something happening.


Oooh, what if they DID end the same way the first anime did? But the roles would be reversed, with Riza in the hospital bed (recovering from her tragic injury) and Roy at her side wearing a miniskirt.
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (Kaleidoscope @ Oct 29 2009, 12:27 PM) *
Oooh, what if they DID end the same way the first anime did? But the roles would be reversed, with Riza in the hospital bed (recovering from her tragic injury) and Roy at her side wearing a miniskirt.


I'm sure that Roy can pull off wearing a miniskirt just fine... tongue.gif
FMAobsessed
Turdaewen I really like what you said about the type of genre FMA is. Sometimes it is hard to classify it as one specific genre, except for "Arakawa".

My inner fangirl/romantic does want to see a kiss, or some sort of confession. But I keep telling myself to believe in what Arakawa has to offer in Roy and Riza's relationship. And I tell myself that if they do kiss, Arakawa is the only person to pull it off.

Finally one main theme in FMA is being human. Al is always questioning his humanity, and Ed refuses to kill anyone because they are human, and if he killed someone who isn't human, he would have to admit that Al isn't human either. So what I am saying is that Roy and Riza are human, and who knows may act on human desires or emotions.

Only 2 weeks left until the chapter is realeased. I really need to stop analyzing FMA so much, because I think it is effecting my grades.
black~hayate
Confession... I don't wanna see a confession!
Because everything is clear to me and to Roy and to Riza anyways, they allready would know if they love each other xD.
Well, a kiss is something else...
rinoaebastel
i want a kiss XDDDD I know they don't need it but i want it xD
Michiyo-
I want a kiss, too... XD or at least a hug, after the final battle.

Only 2 weeks until chapter 101! I hope we'll get spoilers, preview pics and raw early, because I'm dying to know what's gonna happen!
I know, I need to focus on my studies instead of FMA, but I can't stop thinking about the next chapter.
BirdieNumNum
I should be studying for my exams, but instead here I am. I figured I might as well post here and get it out of my system so I can focus properly on my work instead of thinking about 101.

My inner Royai fangirl would love it if they did kiss, but I wouldn't feel cheated if we don't get one. Throughout the series they've both shown how much they care about each other without needing kisses or proposals or big, dramatic "I love you's". That's what fanart and fanfics are for, right? The thing that drew me to Royai in the first place are the subtleties in their interactions- the looks, the smiles, the things that aren't said, and I'm assuming it's the same for most of you as well. I'd like to see them kiss, but I don't need it, because we already know that they care about each other. Does that make sense?

As long as they're both together in the end, and there's no doubt that they're together, I'll be happy. Basically I just want closure.
Kale Mustang
Closure would be good, but then again, just judging by their actions throughout the series, you already have so many instances of how deep their relationship runs.

I mean, when either of them have uttered the "I'm trusting you with my back" phrase, that seems to speak volumes to me as being entrusted with someone's back means that they're basically letting you hold their life in your hands.

And for these two, they've been holding each other up for so long that I doubt they'll be letting go anytime soon.
Reffer Lift
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Oct 29 2009, 04:18 PM) *
QUOTE (Kaleidoscope @ Oct 29 2009, 12:27 PM) *
Oooh, what if they DID end the same way the first anime did? But the roles would be reversed, with Riza in the hospital bed (recovering from her tragic injury) and Roy at her side wearing a miniskirt.


I'm sure that Roy can pull off wearing a miniskirt just fine... tongue.gif


Come on, you know Roy Mustang is dead sexy in a miniskirt. >D
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (Reffer Lift @ Oct 29 2009, 04:55 PM) *
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Oct 29 2009, 04:18 PM) *
I'm sure that Roy can pull off wearing a miniskirt just fine... tongue.gif


Come on, you know Roy Mustang is dead sexy in a miniskirt. >D


I'm a guy and can comfortably admit that yeah, he'd probably rock the miniskirt real well.
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (Reffer Lift @ Oct 29 2009, 05:55 PM) *
Come on, you know Roy Mustang is dead sexy in a miniskirt. >D


I love this thread. So much.
Snows of Yester-Year
Roy in a miniskirt? XDDD I approve.
FMAobsessed
Roy Mustang in a mini skirt...Yes!
Animeoldtimer
QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Oct 29 2009, 11:32 PM) *
Roy Mustang in a mini skirt...Yes!


biggrin.gif

Although, I'd prefer him in a kilt.
jacksparrow589
Nah--I think miniskirts tend to show off one's... assets... a little better. 'Specially when the wearer has such a shapely figure as one might expect from a guy who's been on the battlefield. tongue.gif
FMAobsessed
We get involved in strange consversations, and I love it.
BirdieNumNum
No. Just... no.

The image of Mustang in a miniskirt is going to give me nightmares blink.gif

I think he looks perfectly nice in his military uniform, or better still a suit tongue.gif He's a snappy enough dresser, he should leave the miniskirts to the women.
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (BirdieNumNum @ Oct 29 2009, 09:51 PM) *
No. Just... no.

The image of Mustang in a miniskirt is going to give me nightmares blink.gif

I think he looks perfectly nice in his military uniform, or better still a suit tongue.gif He's a snappy enough dresser, he should leave the miniskirts to the women.


Aww...you mean this doesn't do anything for you? tongue.gif



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FailToImpress
^Oh dear lord.... his legs are awful... smooth. laugh.gif laugh.gif

QUOTE (Animeoldtimer @ Oct 30 2009, 03:47 AM) *
biggrin.gif

Although, I'd prefer him in a kilt.


Oh yes. I like that you mentioned this... i'm scottish. He can swing by my place and I'll kit him out. wink.gif
I do like a man in a kilt.

BUT, I like a man in uniform even better, so maybe he should just stick to that. hahaha.
rinoaebastel
Omg........... lmao.... I think that there is a missing Riza, pointing in his head or something?

I could agree with BirdieNumNum that this can "develop" some nigthmares XD
Kale Mustang
At least you can say that he has a good sense of humour when it comes to these things... tongue.gif
Forsaken Love
oh good god at that image XD lulz
kkg22104
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Oct 29 2009, 11:51 PM) *
Nah--I think miniskirts tend to show off one's... assets... a little better. 'Specially when the wearer has such a shapely figure as one might expect from a guy who's been on the battlefield. tongue.gif

lol wink.gif

@Kale: I'm guessing that's fanart, and not an official picture? tongue.gif And I wonder what it says...
jacksparrow589
kkg22104--Surprisingly enough, when I wrote that, I actually just meant "attractive and/or useful qualities/attributes". I went back, read it later, and wondered how long it would take for someone to make the connection I failed to. The maturity level here astounds me sometimes--took me long enough to drag someone down with me!

Kale--Might just be the perspective of the picture (or my own perspective) but that pic makes Roy's hips (and thighs, too, a little bit) look HUGE.

I love being able to "say" all this with a straight face, too. Haven't laughed once since I began typing this.
Reffer Lift
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Oct 30 2009, 11:25 AM) *
I love being able to "say" all this with a straight face, too. Haven't laughed once since I began typing this.


And I've been laughing the whole way through. ;D
Kale Mustang
It's fanart from pixiv.net. As for the perspective, in the small pic - it looks a bit off, but in the fullsized version (which is only accessible if you're a member of the site) it looks a bit more...proper.
angelofsarcasm89
Miniskirt Roy makes me a very happy person. laugh.gif
black~hayate
nah. How about Riza in a miniskirt so that Roy can be happy too? xD
amestris_star
Oh good Lord what have my eyes just seen XD

No, just no... I'm away from the thread for a short while and what do I have to witness... Roy in a... *rolls eyes* Don't think Riza would appreciate that too much pfft tongue.gif She'd either take that with a laugh or be terribly pissed off, depending on her mood tongue.gif

And, found this on DA:
http://da-evil-genius.deviantart.com/art/R...-Time-141933334
Kale Mustang
Pfft... and the one I posted was far more tame.

Here a link to a more moe version: http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mod...lust_id=6799842

Click if you dare tongue.gif
Snows of Yester-Year
Ohh my eyes XDD I don't think I should be this happy to see a grown man wearing a miniskirt :D
FailToImpress
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Oct 30 2009, 05:49 PM) *
Pfft... and the one I posted was far more tame.

Here a link to a more moe version: http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mod...lust_id=6799842

Click if you dare tongue.gif


Bahaha, see I don't find this as bad because he actually LOOKS female... That first pic he looks allll male and that's why it's odd. laugh.gif
hand-made-city
Ahhhh! Guys, you need to stop! This is what fuels the RoyEd lovers.... when one of them turns girly. o_o Though it's usually Ed.... I can't believe that there's two whole pages about Roy in a miniskirt now... I'm laughing so hard! Which is a good thing, because I had such a terrible day today. And Kale, I can't believe I clicked that link... my god.... it's adorable, but so wroooong. XD What would Riza say? I can imagine her turning around and walking away, shaking her head slowly in disbelief. "Just pretend you didn't see it!"

As for the kilt.... I'd rather not ever see that. Walking around the streets of Glasgow I've found two kilt shops and a number of men wearing kilts with the most weird choice of shirts I've ever seen.. they don't match.. now I don't know much about fashion in Scotland, so this could be normal... but I've never been a kilt fan. And I'm NOT drawing a fanart of Roy in a kilt! No! Even if I considered it for a brief moment! *giggle* Even if... I always end up drawing people's odd ideas that show up on this thread! XD
RoyxRizaFan
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Oct 30 2009, 02:18 AM) *


I didn't think my day could get more amazing, but somehow you managed it tongue.gif
amestris_star
^ I think I actually agree with what you said here hand-made-city in a way *nods*
By the way, the latest fanart with the Royai pic you posted in your DA page is awesome!

Kale, dear, now you need to post a sexy Royai pic to counterbalance that... thing.
FailToImpress
QUOTE (hand-made-city @ Oct 30 2009, 06:53 PM) *
As for the kilt.... I'd rather not ever see that. Walking around the streets of Glasgow I've found two kilt shops and a number of men wearing kilts with the most weird choice of shirts I've ever seen.. they don't match.. now I don't know much about fashion in Scotland, so this could be normal... but I've never been a kilt fan.


Uh, no that's definitely not the fashion.
I live in scotland so I'll set you straight. wink.gif Kilts are only worn by people at weddings, or tourists, and that's literally it lol. I don't know what shops you saw but they have it wrong, you only ever wear a plain shirt with a kilt, anything else would look rather daft. laugh.gif
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