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sidney47
its on the manga 100 chapter thread in the manga fourum. it burried in there somewhere. its a translation of a japanese site. its says something like: Dont cry till everything is done. Theres more to happen. All im hoping for is the survival of Riza.
black~hayate
U? Wut? Spoilers for 101? Well, then share <3 share share with everyone <3.

Hey guys, I haven't been here für 4 days or something since I weren't at home.
Have I missed something Royaish important?

Rinoaebastel, where is your awesome avatar from /what is the original picture of it?
rinoaebastel
@black~hayate Erm...i did it with the screencaps I made of the new opening xD the caps are here if you want them... http://rinoax.livejournal.com/67020.html (yes im starting to do picspams of almost all episodies, that means only with roy and riza )and the avatar...well you can catch it tongue.gif
spoilers?! where?!
Kaleidoscope
Oh, thanks sidney47, I'd actually already read that, guess I'm just paranoid/spoiler happy. No way of knowing for sure if it's referring to Riza... but I sure hope it is!
sidney47
its the most unspoiler-ish spoiler ever. BTW i love how al is seperated from his armor again and we dont really care. i guess its cause he has a higher chance of returning than riza. as i said before translated spoiler in the chpt 101 disscussion thread. would you believe me if i said i started FMA only a month ago. i read it free online. it only took a month to become obsessed. i alway learn of the good stuff as they end. how have you guys been doing these cliff hangers for years?
Kaleidoscope
I know, how do they do it!?! I just started a couple months ago, and it's insanity waiting through these months. As for Al, I'm worried, but I'm also excited. I hope this means he gets his body back soon. But really, in terms of the character's position in the story, I think Riza's a lot more likely to die, but just compared to Al. Al seems to have a better chance than anyone else of making it to the end, even above Ed. Half the goal of the story is to get Al's body back, so if he died, it would become one of the most depressing and pointless endings ever. But don't quote me on that. I'm hoping they both make it.
SneakyRuler
Hello, new royai fans! *waves* I believe I joined this forums around chapter 94... and I remember there was nothing as long as the wait between 94 and 95. Now there's school and there's fear that Riza might noe survive so I'm not entirely certain I want 101 come to daylight quickly. (Not sure I'd be able to watch Brotherhood knowing what's on way but hey, she's not dead yet)

And there's one more thing I'm saying and I say it here just to have it written somewhere: I'm certainly NOT reading spoilers for 101, not after fake spoilers appearing last month, could get a heart atack this time.
November 12th is my mother's birthday so I at least could get myself occupied baking pie or something (if it helps Winry to get over the waiting, it can hep me as well)

hand-made-city - I just wanted to tell you I liked you fanfics. Didn't read the last ones but I'm going to! I'm just such a lazy review writer, I always read fanfic, say 'I like it' but never really get to review them.
FMAobsessed
Hello to all new Royai fans! It is fun to watch this board grow when there are huge Royai or potential Royai moments happening. I sometimes don't know how I make it through the month when there is a huge cliffhanger in FMA. Most of the time I try to focus on schoolwork, but that usually fails. So instead I watch FMA amvs, read fanfics, stuff like that.

I agree with you Kaleidoscope Al has the the greatest possibilty of coming out of everything alive and with his body back. If Arakawa doesn't do that, she is just heartless. But I also feel it would be cruel to kill Riza in this manner. We have had secondary characters like Buccuaneer and Fu who had more elaborate deaths. And touching last words too. I think the hardest thing about the end of chapter 100 for me was seeing Roy's reaction to what just happened.

About chapter 101; is anyone really anxious about wanting to find and read spoilers for it, but at the same time afraid to because of what may come?
sidney47
id like dome spoilers. maybe im a cheater like that but right now im only interested in riza and roy. i think al ed and their sensi will be fine. i saw roy bing the fith sacrifice a long time ago but is there any one who didnt see that comming?
jacksparrow589
I agree that Al should get his body back. I mean, that's practically the whole reason we HAVE this story in the first place!

As to spoilers for 101, I really hope I will have the self-restraint to not read them. That would just be too much after 100, real or not. In fact, I kinda hope that spoilers are banned on the site, although that's probably not going to be the case. I mean, the future of all that is good and wonderful (and Royai) is at stake here! People simply CANNOT go around flinging out guesses/fake spoilers just for kicks! That's akin to, say, swiping a lollipop from a little kid and then finishing it off in front of them in two bites: it's mean and you just don't do that!
angelofsarcasm89
QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Oct 19 2009, 03:49 PM) *
About chapter 101; is anyone really anxious about wanting to find and read spoilers for it, but at the same time afraid to because of what may come?

You described my feelings completely.

Today while I was waiting for my bus, I started thinking about what Roy might have to give up at the Gate for Riza. Here's some ideas I came up with...

Right hand/arm, since she's his right hand woman. Plus, automail Roy would be pretty cool to see.

Leg, since she's his support. And again with automail Roy.

Eye, since the whole eye of the hawk thing back in Ishval and all that fun stuff. Plus, Roy looks completely badass with an eyepatch.

Knowledge of flame alchemy, since it's such a big thing that connects him and Riza together.
sidney47
i actually fairly disapointed in the character development of al. he hasnt changed much at all. hes kinda bland. but he still has to get his body back. hmmm I wonder if we will see roy shed some tears.
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i jus realized some thing. hughes found out in 1 day-ish what father was planning yet it takes everyone else almost a year (ithink) to figure it out. hahaha if hughes stuck around the manga would be a lot shorter. god bless ya hughes. smarter than the whole cast put together.
FMAobsessed
@sidney47 LOL at your Hughes being smarter than the whole cost. He has got to be up in heaven yelling "It's about time you all figured it out!" Then he will turn to one of the other dead characters and show pictures of Elicia.

Why must it be so painful to wait for this chapter to come out? I think this is the most difficult wait for me. Although chapter 76 was difficult too. I do think that this will be awesome animated. I do want to see what it will look like with color and the voices.
bamboo_stick
I agree the wait is extraordinarily painful..
Like each day to the 12th is a mixture of "Riza's gonna dieeeee" crying_anim02.gif
and "RIZA WILL SURVIVE, SHE MUST!" ohmy.gif


Well, she's got to survive. ROY HASN'T MADE OUT WITH HER YET.

RIGHT GUYS??!!

Hopefully Hiromu won't add Riza's death to make the story more realistic...
Reffer Lift
QUOTE (bamboo_stick @ Oct 20 2009, 02:48 AM) *
Well, she's got to survive. ROY HASN'T MADE OUT WITH HER YET.

RIGHT GUYS??!!

Hopefully Hiromu won't add Riza's death to make the story more realistic...


That's actually probably the best reason as to why she'll survive. : D

*fangirl-predicts he makes out with her next chapter*

@FMAObsessed: I can totally see that happening too. XD (Arakawa-sensei should make it an omake. XD)
hand-made-city
QUOTE (bamboo_stick @ Oct 20 2009, 06:48 AM) *
Well, she's got to survive. ROY HASN'T MADE OUT WITH HER YET.

RIGHT GUYS??!!

Hopefully Hiromu won't add Riza's death to make the story more realistic...



Hahahah!! XD You know, at first I was all "But they MUST kiss before the end of the series!" and then I was all "But they're so subtle.. they don't need to kiss to show their feelings..."

But now I'm like "What the hell ever, let them do what they want!!!!"
Turdaewen
Lol

I want to see those spoilers, too. I haven't read them yet.

And about episode 29 I don't think there CAN (or will) be any censure, cause there's no way you'll get anything of the whole Ishval thing without seeing Riza's back. And, again, it only shows her back! It's not like she's naked, but I guess I COULD be censored at the US...

And, come on! FMA:B was never meant to be for kids! It's too damn violent for anyone who could be offended by a naked back. They showed a lot worse, already.
whippersnapper
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Oct 20 2009, 10:02 PM) *
Lol

I want to see those spoilers, too. I haven't read them yet.

And about episode 29 I don't think there CAN (or will) be any censure, cause there's no way you'll get anything of the whole Ishval thing without seeing Riza's back. And, again, it only shows her back! It's not like she's naked, but I guess I COULD be censored at the US...

And, come on! FMA:B was never meant to be for kids! It's too damn violent for anyone who could be offended by a naked back. They showed a lot worse, already.


I believe the spoilers is just a short line on the magazine website, saying: "Don't cry yet until everything is over!" Which definitely sounds like they're trying to calm us freaked out fans tongue.gif I haven't seen any solid spoilers on 101 yet.

As for episode 29, agreed. The plot of FMA is rather too complex for kids anyway. Besides, if they can show it the manga, why not in the anime?
FMAobsessed
They really won't censure the tatoo. They have done worse, such as the first Greed and Wrath fight. Swords in the throat is pretty violent.

@hand-made-city: I use to say that Roy and Riza don't need to kiss to express their love. But now I am like just hurry up and kiss.

Am I the only one who wants Roy and Riza to call themselves by their names and not their titles? I hope it happens in the next chapter. Come on Roy say her name, she just had her throat slit in front of you.
Reffer Lift
QUOTE (whippersnapper @ Oct 20 2009, 10:30 AM) *
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Oct 20 2009, 10:02 PM) *
Lol

I want to see those spoilers, too. I haven't read them yet.

And about episode 29 I don't think there CAN (or will) be any censure, cause there's no way you'll get anything of the whole Ishval thing without seeing Riza's back. And, again, it only shows her back! It's not like she's naked, but I guess I COULD be censored at the US...

And, come on! FMA:B was never meant to be for kids! It's too damn violent for anyone who could be offended by a naked back. They showed a lot worse, already.


I believe the spoilers is just a short line on the magazine website, saying: "Don't cry yet until everything is over!" Which definitely sounds like they're trying to calm us freaked out fans tongue.gif I haven't seen any solid spoilers on 101 yet.

As for episode 29, agreed. The plot of FMA is rather too complex for kids anyway. Besides, if they can show it the manga, why not in the anime?


For the same reason Dragonball is now considered "child pr0n." >.<

A lot of manga is worse than their anime counterparts. The Dragonball anime was very censored, and no, I'm not just talking about the FUNi dub, I'm talking about the Japanese version too. Kai (the HD remake/thing Toei is putting out that's bascially abridging the series into 100 episodes, cropping them to make them "widescreen", and making them HD.) has recently had some censoring done as well. Same thing has happened in Naruto (in the manga, Shikamaru starts smoking after Asuma's death, but they cut that out of the anime. For a reason no one knows. >.<). I sure they'll show the back in Brotherhood, but just remember that anime (most of the time) is more censored than their manga counterparts. wink.gif

EDIT: @FMAObsessed: I want that too! : D (It happened (sorta) in the first anime, so why not? ;D)
Turdaewen
Yes, the animes is naturally lighter than the manga, in 90% of the cases. Even in the Japanese versions, even though the american versions are usually much, much worse in terms of censorship: it's also a cultural thing!

But, since I'm Brazilian, I don't think I can say much more about it.
I don't agree with the sort of censorship American companies usually do on anime, since I'm not in the thought that "anime is for kids/teen only/mainly", I see it as any other type of animation, which has all sorts of genre just as same as movies or anything else. But it seems to me that the general thought (outside the 'otaku world') in America about anime is that "anime = cartoon" and it takes a LOT of effort to try and change that, especially to organizations related to family moral and such.
And the kids think like that, too, cause they see a DVD with anime drawing and want their mom to buy it, even though there's a "PG 13 Rated" label at the cover.

But, back on the subject

That's not why I said they won't censor it. It's because that exact scene is too damn important to the plot to be taken out: there's no way anyone will get the whole story behind Roy and Riza if they don't see the tattoo! Pure and simple.
hand-made-city
There's no way that would be censored, even in America. I've seen anime characters expose their naked backs on tv before, and it wasn't censored at all. (I don't watch tv anymore, so some things may have changed, but I doubt it.) It's mainly breasts and lower regions that people don't want shown... and besides, Funimation always releases the uncut versions onto their dvds, so there's nothing to worry about. (I hope they'll put outtakes on the dvds though! FMA outtakes would crack me up!) Err, back on topic now!

I can't wait to see the darn tattoo... I have a huge fascination with it. Which of course frustrates me, since it didn't show up as much as I had hoped in the manga. I've always imagined that if worse came to worse, Roy would end up having to use the array on Riza's back somehow, but that's just my imagination, as I said! =P It seems that even Travis is excited about Riza's tattoo.. I watched a clip from a panel on Youtube and some fan showed him the array she had drawn on her back and he got all excited... XD
jacksparrow589
It's Riza's BACK, for goodness' sake! It's not gonna be censored. This anime is clearly not for small children, and we've already seen... quite a bit of Al, and other far more disturbing images in Brotherhood. Simply put, as long as there's nothing explicit actually shown, it's fine. Being from the U.S., I do have quite the issue with anime being seen as only for kids by people who don't know, and issues with censoring. If I don't want to see it, I'll decide not to watch it, thanks very much. And, as has been said, if we don't see that, Roy and Riza don't make nearly as much sense. From the opening, it's pretty much assured that we're going to see Riza asking Roy to burn her back. We'd kind of have to know about that for that bit to make sense.
Kale Mustang
Wait... people are freaking out that Riza's naked BACK is going to be censored?

Yes America tends to censor many a thing for no apparent reason, but censoring someone's back is totally ludicrous. I mean, they show more skin in Disney's The Little Mermaid and Pokemon than Riza ever showed in the manga. Plus, the context of seeing the tattoo is that she was in the shower - sure you can't exactly show sideboob here or anything, but a back's a back.

Also, should Brotherhood get picked up in America, it'll most likely be shown on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim like the first series was or they could show it on the Sci-Fi (sorry SyFy dry.gif) Channel and those shows are generally shown at 10pm or so.
rinoaebastel
@hand-made-city in wich vid happen that thing of travis and the tatto? tongue.gif

mm here in spain they didn't censored the first anime because it was emitted at 2am, but naruto was fully censored.
hand-made-city
It's right here: Panel 09
FMAobsessed
@hand-made-city: LOL! I was at that panel. But I didn't ask any questions.

The tatoo definately won't be censored. The US isn't that bad with censorhip. Apparently China is a lot worse. I have a friend who went their on an exchange trip, and she told me that someone tried to look at porn online. But all they got was a face and then the rest of the screen went black.
rinoaebastel
@hand-made-city yay, thank you very much biggrin.gif
black~hayate
Yay! Funny video!
I'm still pwetty happy about Travis dubbing Roy again <3 yay!
There wasn't much Black Hayate in the last episodes/chapters =/ They forgot about me
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Oct 20 2009, 01:48 PM) *
The US isn't that bad with censorhip. Apparently China is a lot worse. I have a friend who went their on an exchange trip, and she told me that someone tried to look at porn online. But all they got was a face and then the rest of the screen went black.


Considering how strict China is with their web filters, I'm actually more surprised that your friend even bothered trying to look for it in the first place.

Again, the tattoo won't be censored because you'll see more in any other kids' cartoon than Riza will ever show in Brotherhood.
Aribelle
I agree, I can't imagine that her back would be censored. 1, it's an important plot point and 2, there has been much, much more skin shown on anime shows that wasn't censored, even in the US. I mean look at Mai Valentine from Yu-Gi-Oh...and that was 4Kids for heaven's sake laugh.gif so don't even worry about it.
BirdieNumNum
Hi all.

I've been lurking on this forum for over a year now, but the chaos of Chapter 100 finally brought me out of my lurkdom and prompted me to join. Though being the procrastinator that I am, I've only just got around to posting now tongue.gif Pretty much everything I have to say about Chapter 100 regarding Hawkeye has been said here already, so I'll just add my voice to the chorus of those trying to stay positive. Like a lot of you, I had my initial "OMGno!!!" moment, but that passed pretty quickly, and the rational part of my mind regained control. I don't think she'll die. She's dying, yes, but it's not game over for her yet. Mustang will go out of his way to ensure she lives. Plus, it's in the Baddies' interests that she lives because she's useless to them dead. Mustang won't open the Gate if she's dead.

As for Hawkeye's back being censored in Brotherhood, I doubt it. It's only her back, it's not as if you can see anything. Other animes have shown much more than that.

The_Twilight_Trinity
Her back most likely will not be censored. There will be rioting if it is. It's a huge plot point, plus, it would make a really sweet eyecatch! I really doubt that they would censor it. It's not like it's porn or anything so it should be fine.

Welcome to BirdieNumNum and all the other newcomers! Such a huge wave after chapter 100! Probably more than after 94 even.... That's when I came out of lurking I believe. Or maybe it was around 95. Not completely sure.... It's amazing how such a big Royai moment can garner so many new people just like that!
hand-made-city
I bet she won't even get an eyecatch for her awesome tattoo, at the rate we're going. C'moooon, give us a nice Hawkeye eyecatch already!!
jacksparrow589
BirdieNumNum--Hi, there! *is totally excited that we're getting a whole bunch of new people* Never too late to join in the fun!

About Riza's back: If they didn't censor Psiren's circle in the first anime, they're not gonna censor a BACK, of all things, in this one. I'd be worried if the tattoo was more expansive than it is, or (of all the thoughts I could have) if Riza's tattoo was in the same place but kept its current size, but considering that it is confined to her back, well... it's just not going to be censored, okay?
Shao_May_Rox
ok, i haven't been here for awhile and why are we talking about her back?!
_Jelly
Because apparently the next episode is the one where her tattoo is shown. I dont know, I havent watched the last 2 or 3 episodes =)

Dont see why they'd censor her back. At least they're not all over her breasts or something. That'd be something.
black~hayate
About the eyecatch: They love her so much, the Bones guys, that's why they won't make an eyecatch. Later, when one of them will be aviable, they will be ultra limited and they can sell them for ultimate money xD
Just joking.
Besides, in anime they allways run around naked, like Ranma, DBZ and so on.
But a back!
A well-built back is actually something beautiful, if you ask me. No reason to censore it.
If they would censore Havoc's smoking in the clinic, well THAT would be something else!!!
I bet they will make him with a lolipop like in One Piece with Sanji xD
_Jelly
QUOTE (black~hayate @ Oct 21 2009, 07:04 PM) *
I bet they will make him with a lolipop like in One Piece with Sanji xD


I just realised that you're all talking about censorship in THE DUB not the original. Pfft, then I dont know, they could censor it... those guy's... you never know.

Hah, Sanji. They could censor Havoc's cig out completely like they did to that villian guy's giant cigar in One Piece. Dont know his name, but it made him look like he was constantly releasing gas from his mouth. My sister used to watch the dub on CN then when she found all these differences in the subbed, she was shocked. =P

But FMA isnt a kids cartoon, its more for older teens to young adults. In the anime and manga, there's no censorship of blood and there is quite a lot of foul language in the manga (or manga the translaters where high?). At least 4kids didnt get to it.
amestris_star
QUOTE (hand-made-city @ Oct 21 2009, 02:20 AM) *
I bet she won't even get an eyecatch for her awesome tattoo, at the rate we're going. C'moooon, give us a nice Hawkeye eyecatch already!!


It would be about bloody time that they actually did the eyecatch, I mean, come on! How many did Envy get? Seriously... Ling I'm sure got more than 2, and others got more than two for sure... at least I was expecting one for Ep. 19... but no ¬¬ (Yeah I'm a bit bitter about it...)
I hope they do her some justice in the coming eps.
Reffer Lift
QUOTE (Aribelle @ Oct 20 2009, 05:34 PM) *
there has been much, much more skin shown on anime shows that wasn't censored, even in the US. I mean look at Mai Valentine from Yu-Gi-Oh...and that was 4Kids for heaven's sake laugh.gif so don't even worry about it.


"My breasts are too big for this show!" (Sorry, don't mind me, just another Yu-Gi-Oh abridged fan. : D)

I also agree that her back won't be censored. I just saw a comment on censoring and anime and my inner nerd reacted on impulse. XD

@black~hayate: Don't worry, we still wuv you. :3 *pets*
Turdaewen
Even though they tend to take out things like smoking in English dubs, it would be weird to do it in the case of Havoc. I mean, Arakawa made him a smoker for a reason: chapter 39! O.o
I don't see why he would have a lighter at hand at all times if he didn't smoke. Some people even do carry lighters around, but it's a little rare to see someone who's not a smoker to do it.

They still might put it, though. If they're not censoring the violent scenes in Brotherhood (which is slightly big), there's no point in censoring a smoker.


Either way, about Riza's back. It makes no sense to censor it, even though she's bare from the waist up, she holds up a towel, so you only see her back. XD

Actually, when we first started talking about it, the person who did mentioned censorship on the original version, not the US one. Which would be even stranger than an American censorship. O.o
But, even though I see no reason at ALL from the dub to censor it in America (and I personally don't think they will), I've seen some senseless anime censorship in the US, already. It's almost ridiculous the amount of scenes and things they removed from Card Captor Sakura, which, in my view, is NOT an kids' anime, either, even if it looks like it. (CLAMP is not a company who makes kids' anime)
They kinda turned a shoujo into a kid's anime by changing even the plot of it. It's almost as if they re-edited it, changing the lines and their meanings completely.
hand-made-city
I don't even know why we're still talking about this censorship thing.. the answer is NOOO it won't be censored! That would be useless.

Hahah, amestris_star, I'm with you! We need an eyecatch NOW! If not, I'm going to have to make one myself. Jeez!
FMAobsessed
I could have sworn that Riza did have an eyecatch in episode 19. But then I looked at the screencaps, and saw that she didn't. I must have been angry that she didn't have one, so I pretended in my mind that she did.
oxygen
I see I'm not alone, and there are more newbies here, YAY! x)

Royai connecting people ;]

Some girl told me a very nice theory about Mei running around, and her medical powers. How could I forget about Mei? Maybe she could help Riza...

I'm soooo impatient. Really. I hate waiting.
FailToImpress
If they feel that Riza's back is a bit risque~, they will most likely not censor it but just put a slightly higher rating on the DVD... that's what I'd guess anyway.

If they did censor it I'd be very disappointed, but to be honest I've never even thought of the possibility until now so I'm sure it'll be okay.
Kale Mustang
If they censored over one little thing as a person's naked back then I swear that the censors are really lame and double-standards are the worst thing to ever happen. I mean, if you can show a guy shirtless, then it's cool - show a woman's naked back? Pffft...

My perfect eyecatch would be like the one they did for Roy & Maes in ep. 10 but with Riza (showing her back and tattoo) and Roy.

And I'll finally know what color her tattoo is... biggrin.gif
black~hayate
Color of the tatoo...
I bet it's red. Or black? If it would be black, it would be so.... Scar-like... I want it to be dark red!
thunderbreak
QUOTE (hand-made-city @ Oct 21 2009, 08:20 AM) *
I bet she won't even get an eyecatch for her awesome tattoo, at the rate we're going. C'moooon, give us a nice Hawkeye eyecatch already!!

i guess the eyecatch will be where she and roy meet again at ep 31.that part where roy says she has killer eyes.

for the tattoo,i initially thought that they will cover half of it with a towel or some other thing.i'm not that familiar with animes anyway smile.gif

and i kinda miss out the :dont cry..."words in the manga XD
hey i like the idea of the tattoo being black...did riza's dad tattoed it with alchemy?just a guess
Kale Mustang
I think red would be kinda hot for her tattoo - as it'll have continuity with both Roy's gloves as well as when he cut the transmutation circle onto his hand.

The tattoo itself? I'd imagine good old ink and needle for that...
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