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Causmicfire
QUOTE (Gimpyhair @ Oct 9 2009, 03:37 PM) *
Either this or May will save her.


Don't forget Marcoh! I know, May is probably closer, but Al more than likely had some sort of game plan and told them about the incident with Lust, and Marcoh knows the tunnels from when he was held there and taken away by Scar. Though, that makes me question why they didn't drag in Marcoh as a sacrifice, but then again they no longer have anything to hold over his head to make him open the gate. Plus, they have a stone with them.

@hand-made-city - Nice piece! I love the expression on Riza's face!
Irena
Positive thinking GO!!

I'm telling myself Riza will live if only because I hate the idea of her death. It just doesn't seem fitting to me, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. Scar's tattoos are supposed to be related to Rentanjutsu, so maybe he'll figure out a way to help her . . .?

On another note, Roy killing himself in the event of Riza's death is very, very unlikely, because that would mean everything they had worked for, and the deaths along the way, would have been in vain, and neither wants that.
RoyxRizaFan
Now that I've calmed down and can think rationally about this (I love how much I can get into manga XD), I don't think Riza's going to die from this. As mentioned before, Roy has already said he's not going to open the gate to resurrect anyone, so it'd be a waste for Goldtooth and his buddies to literally kill Riza. I think it might end up being about giving Roy the PS to heal her with, as someone said earlier.

This still makes me really sad, even though we knew something like this was coming. Somehow, it still seemed sudden and took me completely off guard.
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (Irena @ Oct 9 2009, 11:59 PM) *
On another note, Roy killing himself in the event of Riza's death is very, very unlikely, because that would mean everything they had worked for, and the deaths along the way, would have been in vain, and neither wants that.


I agree. Roy wouldn't do that. He'll be very, very upset, however. We all will.

I love the pic Hand-Made-City! And thanks for finding that amazing AMV! It was fantastic. It still made me a little bit sad though too...

COME ON, RIZA!!!! YOU HAVE TO LIVE!!!!
black~hayate
Ah. Before the next chapter comes out, we should make something like a "Riza will survive"-shrine. It would be totally funny! xD
thunderbreak
can roy put riza to the gate of truth like al's body?
hand-made-city
OMG you guys I actually wrote something. Chapter 100 must be inspiring indeed... I felt like sharing it.. I wonder if everyone will like it. Here it is: Awake in the Aftermath
The_Twilight_Trinity
I like it! It doesn't seem like it's finished to me, though. Maybe you should add to it, but I understand if you don't. I start all sorts of fanfictions but either get bored or discouraged by my lack of fiction-writing skillz.

I'll agree. Chapter 100 is indeed inspiring. I've written two (short and bad) fanfictions since I've seen it, one of which assumes Riza dies, and an other which assumes she lives. I don't have them on fanfiction.net or anything though. I'm too insecure about my writing talents (or lack thereof).
hand-made-city
Haha yeah I understand... it is a bit short/unfinished-like... but I'm really incapable of doing any more than that.. I'll stick to fanart. But thank you for reading and giving your opinion! I just always want to contribute to the Royai fandom!
The_Twilight_Trinity
Yeah, no problem! At least you have contributions! I definitely appreciate them. I especially like your fanart! They're all very good. I sort of hoard my Royai fandom contributions.... I always think that they're too bad and unworthy to post them. Plus, I have no way of sprucing up my fan art, but I suppose that that's okay, seeing as they're mostly doodles anyway...
alchemistpower
Riza has to live =] And besides if Roy open the gate and tried to transmute riza to live again he would have failed and that so she would turn into a homunculus... and that would be a big problem...
hand-made-city
QUOTE (alchemistpower @ Oct 11 2009, 04:00 AM) *
Riza has to live =] And besides if Roy open the gate and tried to transmute riza to live again he would have failed and that so she would turn into a homunculus... and that would be a big problem...


That's how homunculi were made in the first anime.. in the manga they were created differently. So Riza won't become a homunculus... Though I must admit I'm a little intrigued by homunculus-Riza......... what would THAT fiasco be like?
heartwing713
Imagine the Roy and his subordinates having to fight homunculus Riza....That would be an incredibly depressing scene. Roy would angst for the rest of the manga. XD

But really, I have no idea what to think about this chapter. I don't know how I'm going to wait a whole month for the next chapter.

About a homunculus Riza though, although I know it wouldn't happen, what do you think she'd be like? Her name, her ability? It's a very intriguing thought....*pulls out sketchpad and grins mischieviously*
hand-made-city
Hmm... well ignoring the manga-version of how homunculi are created, Riza could... take the place of... any of the dead ones, I guess. XD Envy would be particularly harsh, considering how much Roy hates the first Envy. Lust would be kind of interesting... she could totally seduce Roy. Hahaha!
spectator
OMG!OMG!OMG!

One month without checking this forum while busying with all my tests, I suddenly realized that chapter 100 was almost here and decided to check for any updates on this forum. Chapter 100 is already out with translation and what I get at the end is... I almost fainted when I read the last two pages. This is more than just a shock to me!

Anyway, as most of you guys stay optimistic that Riza will survive, I am now still trying to recover from the shock. Isn't it true that a person lose blood quicker with a cut at the side of the neck than the front of the neck? If I remember it correctly, there is an major artery lies there, a carotid artery maybe? However, I do believe that she is a strong woman and as long as Roy stays by her side, she may be able to make it. Yet again, that slit at the side of her neck may be just a beginning. And... ONE MORE FREAKING MONTH until chapter 101! Right now, what I can do is constantly flipping the calendar between October and November.

And that is not good at all. I think I need to check this forum more frequently now and then to avoid getting heart attack. Phew! I'm still having a hard time trying to catch my breath as I'm typing this post.

Arakawa Sensei, please spare me because my body has low tolerance of getting such a 'big surprise'.

She does know how to get us, doesn't she?

For the time being, can we get the animated version of chapter 100, with the sound effect and background music? I think I won't be able to handle the sorrow but to cry out like a baby. "Why! *sob* *sob* Why her?!" laugh.gif Too dramatic.

*Warning: All Royai fans with heart diseases should stay away from this episode*
alchemistpower
true true... Riza will survive while he's there... but who knows?? I can just imagine when she turns into a homunculus... Especially Lust... Roy won't be able to kill her =] because everyone know [or is it just me] that Roy is scared of Riza =] and he's weakness is her... But as i record Roy's promise to protect the daughter of his sensei has failed....
heartwing713
QUOTE (hand-made-city @ Oct 10 2009, 11:49 PM) *
Hmm... well ignoring the manga-version of how homunculi are created, Riza could... take the place of... any of the dead ones, I guess. XD Envy would be particularly harsh, considering how much Roy hates the first Envy. Lust would be kind of interesting... she could totally seduce Roy. Hahaha!


I know this one isn't available because he's not dead, but I can totally see a Wrath Riza, because of all the people she's killed, probably the most out of everyone in Roy's little group, except Roy himself. Plus the location of the Ouroborous would work, because her eyes are definitely her strongest power as a sharpshooter. And her reaction, when pushed to her limit is a violent one, as seen in the fight with Lust.
alchemistpower
QUOTE (heartwing713 @ Oct 11 2009, 12:08 AM) *
QUOTE (hand-made-city @ Oct 10 2009, 11:49 PM) *
Hmm... well ignoring the manga-version of how homunculi are created, Riza could... take the place of... any of the dead ones, I guess. XD Envy would be particularly harsh, considering how much Roy hates the first Envy. Lust would be kind of interesting... she could totally seduce Roy. Hahaha!


I know this one isn't available because he's not dead, but I can totally see a Wrath Riza, because of all the people she's killed, probably the most out of everyone in Roy's little group, except Roy himself. Plus the location of the Ouroborous would work, because her eyes are definitely her strongest power as a sharpshooter. And her reaction, when pushed to her limit is a violent one, as seen in the fight with Lust.



I totally agree... i can just imagine if the ouroborous tatoo on her eye... She would wear an eyepatch too... thats just so wierd...
heartwing713
...Oh. My. GOSH.

ROY WRATH. Violent past. Check. Temper. Check. Eyepatch. Check.

It's totally going to happen.

Well...not really.

Ok Back on topic. Roy: What would he do if Riza died in chapter 100/101?
alchemistpower
he'll probably kill himself!! If he does... They're going to be in Heaven... May they R.I.P..... Hooray for the Royai couple... *Sniff Sniff*
black~hayate
Nah, don't be too negative.
I don't think he would kill himself when Riza dies.
I meant something like "he would kill himself to not open the door, since Riza would be dead, he wouldn't have a reason to stay anyways"
Killing himself...
How should he do it? The flame array is gone and he doesn't have any weapons right now.
So no no Mustang RIP
alchemistpower
yep yep =[ *sniff sniff* long live Royai... RIP Roy+Riza.... may they live happily in heaven *sniff sniff* *gets tissue then starts blowing her nose* does anyone have a spare dagger?? *sniff sniff*
Illuminating-Darkness
No, no, no, no, no, RIZA CANNOT DIE.

But anyways, its probably be brought up before but is it actually logical that Riza dies?
I don't actually think there is a point in killing her, I mean, Roy should be smart enough to know not to open the gate and if they kill her, they have no hold over him... she'll be more use alive coz then they could at least use her to threaten him...?
alchemistpower
GIVE ME A R.O.Y.A.I! Riza of course has to live... LIVE RIZA GODAMMIT!!! Roy has to save her... SAVE HER ROY GODAMMIT! she is like the "2nd" main part of FMAM/B! [Fullmetal alchemist Manga/Brotherhood]! i mean both Roy and her are!! LIVE LIVE LIVE LIVE!!
angelstar2408
It's amazing how Arakawa shocked me. But yeah like RoyxRizaFan, I've calmed down and I can confidently say she'll survive. (Curse Arakawa if she doesn't) But yeah.. she'll be fine...
FMAobsessed
I know we had this conversation before about Riza being hurt or threatened to have Roy oen the gate, but did we actually think Arakawa would do it? I knd of thought she would, but I was still shocked that she did. I hope Riza lives and I hope we get a Royai moment in chapter 101.
jacksparrow589
She's alive for the moment. Roy's got time to do... something. And aren't there a couple of major players unaccounted for who could help? I'm seriously still waiting for someone to show up (like Marcoh), or for something to possibly happen from inside the Gate that could work.

Anyway, I think we've all just sort of reached the point where the shock has been exhausted and what happens next chapter is anyone's guess.

One thing I am certain of, though: Roy will not kill himself if Riza dies. He's got too much left to do, and he'll do it come hell or high water. Also, once Riza's dead, The baddies have lost any leverage they have over Roy. I'm just banking on Roy not doing something totally stupid (i.e. attempting to resurrect Riza) in the event that the worst should happen.

Sure, it looks bad right now, and not just for our favorite couple. It looks bad for EVERYONE. But this s NOT the end, and I'm thinking we're going to get some major redemption either in 101 or 102. Just gonna keep telling myself that until something happens. (Of course, if we get fake spoilers again... I don't even wanna think about it. I think spoilers should be banned on 101 until the raw is out.)
Alzea
FMAobesessed, true xD I mean I remember when month ago there was this talk what will they do to make Roy open the gate, that was when one of the biggest "Riza dying" discussion started here, it was just like this month's, everyone said that she won't die in order to make Roy open the gate but also said it's possible and now everyone are shocked what this Cow did xP
Hah, yes, just like month ago I'm not going to speculate about her dying since it might damage my mind, I still need it, just like month ago, I'm not going to say anything, hope she won't die, be optimistic unless I'll read it in chapter or Beatrice will say it in red that Hawkeye is dead. Since we all should learn it by now - Arakawa is unpredictable I just had to say it in red since it's true and no one can deny this xP Even if we are predicting this, it will be a shock for us anyway xD
What is bothering me now, I have no choice but avoiding FFN since there is a flood of chapter 100-based angst/drama fanfictions and I hate those (just as much as chapter 100-Riza dying theories/discussions)
Causmicfire
Does Dr. Goldtooth know how to open the gate? That's been on my mind since talking to Amestris_star during the livechat while watching the newest episode.

If he does, maybe to get Roy to open the gate he'll send Riza through in her current condition...that could be incentive he'd take.

Well, it's purely speculation...my mind is just trying to sort through possibilities.
hand-made-city
But if Dr. Goldtooth knew how to open the gate... wouldn't Father just use him as a sacrifice instead of going through all the trouble of getting Roy to do it? I dunno... maybe I'm missing something.

Anyway, just watched the new opening (ending was fairly unremarkable) and I was so excited to see Ishval stuff! (And Olivier omg). But I'm really really excited for the Ishval episode. Though I'm really mad it's only getting one episode. Wth is that.
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (Causmicfire @ Oct 11 2009, 11:36 AM) *
Does Dr. Goldtooth know how to open the gate? That's been on my mind since talking to Amestris_star during the livechat while watching the newest episode.

If he does, maybe to get Roy to open the gate he'll send Riza through in her current condition...that could be incentive he'd take.

Well, it's purely speculation...my mind is just trying to sort through possibilities.


Huh. It's an interesting thought, but honestly, I don't think so. If he did, Father would likely have used him for a sacrifice. The way I see it, Father wouldn't care even if one of his sacrifices were on his side, but maybe I'm wrong...? I just got the feeling that anyone available to open the gate would do for him. I still wouldn't count out the idea all together though. Anything is possible....

I do think, however, that Roy may actually end up opening the gate in the end. Someone said in the Ch. 100 thread that the plot won't go anywhere if he doesn't, and I found myself in agreement. We know he won't do it to resurrect Riza because he knows that won't work, so the question lies in will he try to reconstruct her like Ed did to himself in Gluttony's stomach. He may not even attempt that, though unless Dr. EVILHATREDLOATHINGMCCREEPYFACE offers him a philosopher's stone. Gah!!! Head.... Reeling....
Causmicfire
Someone has to. He would use him if he knew how, unless he has more of a role in what's going to happen afterward.
heartwing713
Is the next episode of Brotherhood just going to be filler? I mean seriously, when are they going to get around to the Ishbal backstor and Hawkeye going and working for the Fuhrer and meeting Pride/Selim? This next episode looks like a bunch of Hoho backstory that wasn't in the manga.

And about Goldteeth knowing how to open the gate, no way. Father would have used him long before now.

And I think it's possible Riza could be reconstructed through the gate...it may be the only way.
jacksparrow589
The_Twilight_Trinity--Your er, "nickname" for Dr. Goldtooth made me crack up! I almost woke my roommate up!

Roy doing reconstruction alchemy on Riza? Um... I think that's certainly possible because, yeah, as much as we're all going "OMGNO!", the Gate really does have to open, otherwise it'll be REALLY anti-climactic. Then again, Arakawa's awesome enough to not have Roy open the Gate and STILL make it epic.

As I said in the Chapter 100 thread, I just hope that the "preview" for next chapter (just a bit of text, really) bodes well. It's not over yet!
Alzea
^heartwing713
Well, today's ep was full of recaps and Ishvar flashback along with Roy/Riza back story is planned on ep 30 so yeah, we have to wait 3 more weeks. Right now I want BONES to prove me wrong about them hating Riza, if they can mess up her back story I'll believe that they can mess up chapter 94 and animating chapter 100 will be pure joy for them -.- So BONES, do this right! You have to!
heartwing713
Wait so what is going to happen in episodes 28 & 29?
kkg22104
QUOTE (heartwing713 @ Oct 11 2009, 02:41 PM) *
Wait so what is going to happen in episodes 28 & 29?


This thread should help you happy.gif
amestris_star
QUOTE (Alzea @ Oct 11 2009, 08:36 PM) *
^heartwing713
Well, today's ep was full of recaps and Ishvar flashback along with Roy/Riza back story is planned on ep 30 so yeah, we have to wait 3 more weeks. Right now I want BONES to prove me wrong about them hating Riza, if they can mess up her back story I'll believe that they can mess up chapter 94 and animating chapter 100 will be pure joy for them -.- So BONES, do this right! You have to!


Actually, at first, considering the awesome work they did with Ep. 19 I didn't think they had something against her, plus, in Again, they did a pretty good job including her in it and all... but the fact that she is one (probably the only) main character that hasn't had an eyecatch is terribly pissing me off... so, I hope they get everything right in the coming episodes since it's so centred on her and Roy (especially Ishval and their young flashbacks of course).

Considering how well they're treating the flashbacks, I wouldn't worry, I hope they just redeem themselves asap.
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Oct 11 2009, 12:24 PM) *
As I said in the Chapter 100 thread, I just hope that the "preview" for next chapter (just a bit of text, really) bodes well. It's not over yet!


Yeah, didn't it say something along the lines of "Don't cry yet until it's over!" ?

I hope so too! Though I'm not sure whether the "preview" is addressing us as readers, or certain characters. Maybe all of the above. But when I first saw it, I felt a little more optimistic because I assumed it was directed at all of us who are freaking out over Riza.... But it's too late for me about the crying part anyway. I'm not going to lie, I definitely shed some tears over Riza's potential death.....
angelofsarcasm89
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Oct 11 2009, 01:45 PM) *
QUOTE (Alzea @ Oct 11 2009, 08:36 PM) *
^heartwing713
Well, today's ep was full of recaps and Ishvar flashback along with Roy/Riza back story is planned on ep 30 so yeah, we have to wait 3 more weeks. Right now I want BONES to prove me wrong about them hating Riza, if they can mess up her back story I'll believe that they can mess up chapter 94 and animating chapter 100 will be pure joy for them -.- So BONES, do this right! You have to!


Actually, at first, considering the awesome work they did with Ep. 19 I didn't think they had something against her, plus, in Again, they did a pretty good job including her in it and all... but the fact that she is one (probably the only) main character that hasn't had an eyecatch is terribly pissing me off... so, I hope they get everything right in the coming episodes since it's so centred on her and Roy (especially Ishval and their young flashbacks of course).

Considering how well they're treating the flashbacks, I wouldn't worry, I hope they just redeem themselves asap.

Hmm. Riza's back with the tattoo would make a damn awesome eyecatch.
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (angelofsarcasm89 @ Oct 11 2009, 02:54 PM) *
Hmm. Riza's back with the tattoo would make a damn awesome eyecatch.


Yeah, no kidding! She will definitely have one for the Ishval episode!!! How could she not! And the tattoo would make a really good second one. They need to give her a couple, I think. She should also have one for the episode of when she meets Pride, and also for chapters 94 and 95. And if she still doesn't get one by then, she's at least guaranteed one for the episode of chapter 100.
SneakyRuler
I thought Riza would get an eyecatch in episode 19 but she didn't, Havoc and Lust were shown instead. So for chapter 95 my guess is Envy and Roy and as far as the 100th one - Fuu and Buccaneer, maybe? Dr. Batsh*tcrazy? Nah, just kidding. But if they really wanted to avoid Riza eyecatches, there's always a way. tongue.gif

Oh, and I hope she won't get pink background as Scar and Roy got!
hand-made-city
They're probably waiting as long as possible to give Riza an eyecatch... just to torment us. I swear... It seems as if Bones' favorite female character is Winry, while the fanbase's favorite female character is Riza. We're just not seeing eye-to-eye with Bones. :\
Gimpyhair
QUOTE (SneakyRuler @ Oct 11 2009, 05:20 PM) *
Oh, and I hope she won't get pink background as Scar and Roy got!


So true -___- I hope she will get one with the shadows.

Also, new comic: http://gimpyslair.deviantart.com/art/FMA-T...hreat-139971274
spectator
After reading chapter 100, Bradley's word suddenly struck me. "She will be you weakness" *echo* *echo* *echo*

Roy, prove Bradley's wrong! Go Roy!

As for Riza... too many possibilities. I hope the cow won't kill her. Or else... It will be another rally for steak day! *rubbing hands wryly*

By the way, Gimpyhair, you are a great artist. I like your comic so much!
Kaleidoscope
Concerning episode 30, you know what would be awesome?

Extra-anime-only-Royai!
Yes, it's incredibly unlikely considering the time crunch, but I would personally love to see Roy and Riza's first meeting (chibi Royai???) or a shot of Roy actually learning flame alchemy from Riza's tatoo.

Also, can we make a vigil/appreciation/please-don't-die thread for Riza??? We could put fanart, our favorite Riza moments, desperate speculations etc. up. Then if she lives we could all celebrate smile.gif, and if she dies we could all mourn her there together.

Personally, I just joined the forum, so I'm not comfortable making new threads, and I've noticed there aren't a lot of character appreciation threads on the board, but this is a pretty special circumstance y/n?
Gimpyhair
QUOTE (Kaleidoscope @ Oct 11 2009, 08:00 PM) *
Extra-anime-only-Royai!
Yes, it's incredibly unlikely considering the time crunch, but I would personally love to see Roy and Riza's first meeting (chibi Royai???) or a shot of Roy actually learning flame alchemy from Riza's tatoo.


First welcome! Second, I know! I thought about this too, you know, just a quick shot of Roy and Riza as kids. But really unlikely, as you said.
angelofsarcasm89
QUOTE (Gimpyhair @ Oct 11 2009, 07:08 PM) *
QUOTE (Kaleidoscope @ Oct 11 2009, 08:00 PM) *
Extra-anime-only-Royai!
Yes, it's incredibly unlikely considering the time crunch, but I would personally love to see Roy and Riza's first meeting (chibi Royai???) or a shot of Roy actually learning flame alchemy from Riza's tatoo.


First welcome! Second, I know! I thought about this too, you know, just a quick shot of Roy and Riza as kids. But really unlikely, as you said.

I was actually wondering if something like that wouldn't pop up in Chapter 101. Riza's bleeding, Roy's trying to decide what to do, and then it shows a couple of flashbacks from when they were younger as he's thinking...
I'd love it and EEEEEEEE like crazy.
SneakyRuler
Hello Kaleidoscope! *waves* I think we may start the vigil right here. Will there be any special rules?

Loved your comix, Gimpy. The very last picture was a beatiful tribute to Buccaneer. And red!Roy was adorable as well.

QUOTE
I was actually wondering if something like that wouldn't pop up in Chapter 101. Riza's bleeding, Roy's trying to decide what to do, and then it shows a couple of flashbacks from when they were younger as he's thinking...
I'd love it and EEEEEEEE like crazy.


That would be awesome! I almost burst into tears just at the possibility... and I don't cry reading manga (well, usually)
CodenameElizabeth
:sings "Not Dead Yet" from the musical "Spamalot...:


Yeah. Not dead yet. That's what I think.
And I'm copypasta-ing my theory from the manga subforums here:

My opinion? No. she is not going to die.

Reason for this being that Roy KNOWS that human transmutation DOES NOT WORK. He is not stupid. He's known Ed and Al for a few years now, and knows what they have gone through after their own "experimentation."

Mr. Goldtooth and his cronies know that Riza is MUCH more valuable ALIVE. The injury is not lethal (downward toward the clavicle, not inward toward the jugular. See angle of sword blade here.) I believe that they will CONTINUE to use Riza-- to merely THREATEN her life until Roy opens the gate. If they kill her, they are losing a very valuable pawn that can be used to manipulate Mustang.

(Also, anyone notice that Scar is not actually being physically restrained? He is simply surrounded by the enemy. Maybe he'll try something crazy, like break free and open the gate to spare Roy. He's one hardcore SOB and I wouldn't put it past him. He DID sacrifice himself in the original anime...)
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