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SneakyRuler
I haven't noticed their shoe color at all, being it manga or Brotherhood smile.gif Is there a possibility Arakawa-sensei made a drawing for them in the first phase of thinking up anime1? Maybe they first played with the idea but after that they became sure they don't have time to do Ishabal-related stuff properly so they just put Ishbal flashback once and then pulled back.

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Edit: no idea, Turdaewen. Maybe new character guide? From an omake (he sits with The Cow in a bar) we know Roy has birthday earlier than Ed but other than that...
Turdaewen
QUOTE (SneakyRuler @ Sep 25 2009, 04:29 PM) *
I haven't noticed their shoe color at all, being it manga or Brotherhood smile.gif Is there a possibility Arakawa-sensei made a drawing for them in the first phase of thinking up anime1? Maybe they first played with the idea but after that they became sure they don't have time to do Ishabal-related stuff properly so they just put Ishbal flashback once and then pulled back.

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Edit: no idea, Turdaewen. Maybe new character guide? From an omake (he sits with The Cow in a bar) we know Roy has birthday earlier than Ed but other than that...

No... that's not an original drawing by Arakawa... that's for sure.

No... The characters' guide doesn't say anything of that sort. Nor about Roy, nor about any other character.
And Arakawa already said in a omake that many people send letters to her asking about bdays, blood types and etc and that she never really thought about that of her characters, since it's not really related in any way to the story. She said the only thing she can tell is that Ed's bday is in the winter, but since we can't exactly pinpoint when Roy turned 30 (only that it was before Ed's bday), his bday can be in the spring, or summer, or fall... there's no way of telling.

Roy's profile page at Wiki FMA states it as if it was something confirmed, not only vaguely, but the EXACT date: here
Not mentioning they also contradict the Perfect Guidebook 2, stating he was born in 1886, when, in fact, both him and Hughes were born in 1885.
Tombow
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Sep 25 2009, 04:08 PM) *
...Roy's profile page at Wiki FMA states it as if it was something confirmed, not only vaguely, but the EXACT date: here
Not mentioning they also contradict the Perfect Guidebook 2, stating he was born in 1886, when, in fact, both him and Hughes were born in 1885.

Yeah, I had others complained about that particular entry, and I also think that one is incorrect. ... IMO that one is another good example of why we should NOT automatically trust what we read on "anyone-can-submit-any-info, false or otherwise, -Wiki" regardless of how "officially" looking/sounding the article is. tongue.gif
Kale Mustang
The Wiki only goes so far as the correct information that's being entered, but the fact that anyone can enter has always made me wary to trust it.

I wonder though, are there any sites that explicitly state all the know facts from the guide books, interviews, and articles from Arakawa herself regarding the FMA universe? It'd be nice to have one singular site that has all the information as well as proper citations.
Turdaewen
I wish that was a site like that in English myself... There might be in Japanese, though... ^^

The funny thing about all that is they immediately changed back when I put up that Madame Christmas was actually Roy's biological aunt (which is ok, since we only discovered it not even a month back), but at the same time they leave something like that up in the page for YEARS. O.o
hand-made-city
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Sep 25 2009, 02:18 PM) *
Yeah... this is weird... Especially since the first anime didn't even mentioned Ishval all that much and, if I recall correctly, they not only said that Hughes wasn't there, Riza wasn't either. O.o So it makes no sense for them to do something like this since it's kinda contraditory with the story of FMA 1.


I thought Riza did go to Ishval in the first anime? I remember Winry asking her on the train if she knew a pair of doctors called the Rockbells, and sure enough, Riza said she did. That and the fact that she mentioned she had to kill people before to "keep the peace". I think it was implied that she did fight in Ishval in the first anime, though not explicitly stated.

But anyway, I also remember Arakawa mentioning that she didn't bother thinking of the character's birthdays and whatnot, so I myself have ignored it too. Simply knowing their ages is enough for me...
Kaori Ayanami
I remember a scene where the military was facing an angry mob, then somebody threw a pebble at Riza (which hit her in the forehead) and she bled. Roy had a ring with a false philosopher's stone, and he did use it after that. Wasn't that a flashback?
hand-made-city
QUOTE (Kaori Ayanami @ Sep 26 2009, 10:55 AM) *
I remember a scene where the military was facing an angry mob, then somebody threw a pebble at Riza (which hit her in the forehead) and she bled. Roy had a ring with a false philosopher's stone, and he did use it after that. Wasn't that a flashback?



Hmm, I don't think that was a flashback to Ishval.. that was around the time when Yoki was killed by Lust and everyone panicked, right? So Roy had to display his power to hold them back. I don't think Roy had a ring in that scene. I'd have to watch the episode again though.
rinoaebastel
QUOTE (Kaori Ayanami @ Sep 26 2009, 11:55 AM) *
I remember a scene where the military was facing an angry mob, then somebody threw a pebble at Riza (which hit her in the forehead) and she bled. Roy had a ring with a false philosopher's stone, and he did use it after that. Wasn't that a flashback?



He don't have a ring in that scene, but he wears it in the flashback when doctor Marco explained the Isvhal war to the elric brothers...it was.. episodie 15 or..14 i don't remember exactly. smile.gif
Turdaewen
Now I'm confused... lol
Can't remember if Riza said she 'knew about the Rockbells' or if she 'knew THE Rockbells'.

Because, either way, in the 1st series, it's sorta implied Riza didn't know Roy at the time of Ishval, by the way she talks to him about it. (as if they were both there, together)

I need to watch that again. XD
black~hayate
about watching: Today's Brotherhood episode should be Royaish.
EDIT:
Too bad they diddn't show the scene I wanted to see today.
Well, then we'll see it next week~
Gimpyhair
I'm getting despaired, it's been 25 episodes and still no Riza eyecatch!
Turdaewen
Yes, but, man! they are really putting some Royai there! O.o even stuff that wasn't in the manga. O.o

Bradley saying Riza was Roy's weak point. What was that?? That was really straight forward!
black~hayate
Lol! He said that?
well...
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AND STILL NO EYECATCH FOR ROYS GREATEST WEAKNESS???
Gimpyhair
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Sep 27 2009, 11:27 AM) *
Yes, but, man! they are really putting some Royai there! O.o even stuff that wasn't in the manga. O.o

Bradley saying Riza was Roy's weak point. What was that?? That was really straight forward!


Wha-? Is it a subs mistake again or he really said that?
Good lord! I really need to watch this episode!
Turdaewen
He really did said that! I watched in Japanese and revised the subtitles myself (in portuguese, of course)

He said "That's not my weakness (about Selim). On the other hand, 'she' is yours." And the scene cuts to Riza. XD
FMA:B is being a LOT more 'declared' in terms of Royai than the manga itself O.o
Makika
Omg, day by day I like this anime more and more.

Some Royai for us! YEAH! biggrin.gif


Thanks Turdaewen for the translations ;P
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Sep 27 2009, 09:27 AM) *
Yes, but, man! they are really putting some Royai there! O.o even stuff that wasn't in the manga. O.o

Bradley saying Riza was Roy's weak point. What was that?? That was really straight forward!


AHHHH!!!! Seriously???? AHHH!!!! That is so straight forward..... Bones totally ships Royai.

Though, I'm irked about Riza still not getting an eyecatch. They keep recycling less important characters over and over again (we had Lan Fan, like three times in a row... I know she was important in those episodes, but still). If we don't get one in the Ishval episode or before I'm giving up on her ever getting one. It's starting to look like they're simply refusing to make one for her. And that sucks because Riza is awesome.
hand-made-city
Waaaah! EXTRA Royai? Just for us?? This is rare! I'm so excited and must watch this episode now!
Turdaewen
QUOTE (The_Twilight_Trinity @ Sep 27 2009, 02:26 PM) *
Though, I'm irked about Riza still not getting an eyecatch. They keep recycling less important characters over and over again (we had Lan Fan, like three times in a row... I know she was important in those episodes, but still). If we don't get one in the Ishval episode or before I'm giving up on her ever getting one. It's starting to look like they're simply refusing to make one for her. And that sucks because Riza is awesome.

She will! XD Don't worry!
If she doesn't get one at Ishval or in the Envy part, it will be REALLY strange... sad.gif
They should make one of her showing off her back... wouldn't it be nice?? *.*
Michiyo-
We got extra Royai in this episode, that's awesome! biggrin.gif
Now I can't wait to see the Ishbal flashbacks, which should be around ep. 30. And I'm sure Riza will get an eyecatch then.
rinoaebastel
yay, this is awesome smile.gif He seriusly say that? Yay!
Turdaewen
Maybe even sooner... XD I'm thinking it might start showing in about 2 episodes: 28 or 29
black~hayate
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Sep 27 2009, 08:13 PM) *
Maybe even sooner... XD I'm thinking it might start showing in about 2 episodes: 28 or 29


Nah. Looks like they'll need a little longer in Gluttonys Belly. Since they slowed down.
Ishval will be super crazy! And... oh... Riza's tatoo animated! Boys, be excited =D
Turdaewen
No... from the previews, they're leaving Gluttony's belly next episode (probably by the end of it). So, it'll probably be 26 - going out of the belly, 27 - Ling becomes Greed and stuff, 28 - Ed goes to visit Riza.

Edit: thinking again, there's still many things to show before he actually goes to Riza's place... so, maybe, you're right XD
Causmicfire
I would be really pleased if we got an eyecatch of her tattoo! Also, reminded me that we'll officially get an answer to the color of her tattoo, black or red.

I don't know how many of you wondered, but as a fanfic writer it's been plaguing my mind since I saw it.
hand-made-city
QUOTE (Causmicfire @ Sep 27 2009, 10:50 PM) *
I would be really pleased if we got an eyecatch of her tattoo! Also, reminded me that we'll officially get an answer to the color of her tattoo, black or red.

I don't know how many of you wondered, but as a fanfic writer it's been plaguing my mind since I saw it.


Same here, only I'm a fanartist. @_@ I usually just draw it in as a very deep red....

An eyecatch of her tattoo would be awesome! I'm still in disbelief that she still hasn't even gotten an eyecatch, given how many opportunities she's had. sad.gif
Gimpyhair
You know what would be even better?
An eyecatch of Riza's tattoo where we see Roy in the background, and then, for the second eyecatch the focus is on Roy with Riza in the background. biggrin.gif
Every single royai fans would scream!! *Is actually drooling at the thought* biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (Gimpyhair @ Sep 27 2009, 06:15 PM) *
You know what would be even better?
An eyecatch of Riza's tattoo where we see Roy in the background, and then, for the second eyecatch the focus is on Roy with Riza in the background. biggrin.gif
Every single royai fans would scream!! *Is actually drooling at the thought* biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif


*joins in drooling* Really... really... good idea....

*fangirls like crazy*
jacksparrow589
Oh man--Riza's tattoo SO warrants an eyecatch! I'm sure we'll get those for however long Ishbal taks to tell. (Sorry--I guess it's really 'Ishval', but I can't stop using the 'b'!)

On the Royai in today's episode: SAY WHAT? I haven't seen it yet, but wow... that's pretty direct. Are you absolutely, 100% sure it's "she" and not "they" (i.e. Roy's subordinates and friends)? Although, I guess if the scene cuts to Riza, that pretty much settles Roy's BIGGEST weakness, but I'm pretty sure his subordinates, friends, and family are way up there on the list, too.

I must go watch this now. Or maybe in a few... I have stuff to do... sad.gif
FMAobsessed
Riza still hasn't had an eyecatch yet? I thought she had one in the Lust vs Roy episode. But I may have pretended that she was there.

@Gimpyhair:
That would be an awesome eye catch and bones should do that.
Turdaewen
Yes... I'm positive, 100% sure.

Bradley says "Kanojo", so he's referring specifically to a woman, who's, according to him, Roy's weak point.
amestris_star
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Sep 28 2009, 05:06 AM) *
Yes... I'm positive, 100% sure.

Bradley says "Kanojo", so he's referring specifically to a woman, who's, according to him, Roy's weak point.


Yeah that's the same thing I heard when seeing the RAW and made me startle biggrin.gif

And yep, looking forward so much to the Ishval part! Bones are doing a pretty good job with the flashbacks so... I'm not actually worrying too much in this case. And I hope the Royai abounds tongue.gif Even though they're being quite blatant in that regard XD
The_Twilight_Trinity
If it's worth anything, in the subs I just watched he said to Roy: "She may be your Achilles's Heel."
SneakyRuler
I think Riza's not bein used for eyecatches now because some of the characters who got them (Havoc, LanFan, Greed-tachi, Nina, Denny + Maria) were equally important but they're going to disappear for some time from the main plot so that's why...

Riza's Roy big weakness? And just when we settled that his weakness Bradley refered to was his kindness happy.gif Well, right now downloading subs, looking forward to watch it. I remember how teary-eyed I was during manga at this point just because Roy-tachi were split, felt horrible.
Turdaewen
No, SneakyRuler... this part is different. The part Bradley says about the kindness is the part he mentions he's going to make Roy open the Portal. That's on chapter 40. At that time, he says "Mustang is an extremely kind person. That may be both a fault as a virtue. I may be able to make him open the portal."

At this conversation we get at episode 49, it gets pretty clear he's taking Riza as a hostage even in the manga. But Bradley taking Riza as hostage its not exactly related to this convo they had at chapter 40, or else, Bradley would have forced Roy to open the gate, at that time.

So, this is two separate things: opening the gate and taking Riza as hostage.

Bradley knows Riza's is Roy's vig weakness. Everybody knows that. My point is not that she isn't, but that Bradley is not using THAT fact as a motive to make Roy open the Gate. But he might as well 'damage control' Roy's actions through her, as he's doing now.
_Jelly
So, like, what's an "eyecatch"?

I thought you said eyepatch and I was all "No Roy was the one who got that and that was only in series 1." But oops.

Err, anyway, I think he was referring to the hostage thing more. I forgot what he says in the manga, I doubt he says that though. Oh well.
SneakyRuler
JEELE - an eyecatch is the picture you see when you hear the guy say "Fullmetal Alchemist!"

Turdaewen - Wrong again huh.gif . Uhm. Good to know BONES still sticking to manga as close as possible. I was a bit afraid there, not having seen the episode yet. Yes, she *is* his greatest weakness, Roy's feeling responsible for her more than any other subordinate and wants to keep her safe but how exactly did Bradley find out?! No idea...
hand-made-city
QUOTE (SneakyRuler @ Sep 28 2009, 01:29 PM) *
Turdaewen - Wrong again huh.gif . Uhm. Good to know BONES still sticking to manga as close as possible. I was a bit afraid there, not having seen the episode yet. Yes, she *is* his greatest weakness, Roy's feeling responsible for her more than any other subordinate and wants to keep her safe but how exactly did Bradley find out?! No idea...



Dunno specifically how Bradley worked out that Riza is Roy's biggest weakness, but I suppose he's always known that they work closely together... plus he did make it a point to tell Riza that he chose his wife himself. That probably has some significance. He has a grasp on human emotions and can probably pick up on it... and he was also lurking around during the Roy vs. Lust incident.

Plus, I mean... everyone else knows about it! tongue.gif Roy can't hide it forever!
rinoaebastel
maybe bradley notice that she was his weakness when he saw the battle against lust... I think he saw almost the whole battle, he had time for that.

And yes, Roy can't hide it, and neither Riza (well she can but...not forever) xD
jacksparrow589
Turdaewen--Thanks for the explanation! You definitely made my day! smile.gif

Since Bradley was there during and after Roy vs. Lust, I think he'd know from how each was glad that the other was alive that they're both important to each other. Bt Bradley's probably got other sources, too, and if he's keeping tabs on Roy as a threat, it makes sense that he'd make a point of figuring out Roy's biggest weakness. Bradey's been around since... at least Ishbal, right? I'm betting he somehow knows that Riza and Roy go at least that far back.

Also, if Riza's dad was ever scouted as a State Alchemist (I can't remember... was he?), the military might know that he was developing Flame Alchemy. I'm sure they're smart enough to put two and two together on that between Riza's family name and Roy's skills. Them having history doesn't mean they like each other, I know, but if they're still working together, well, something's driving that whether it's a sense of kinship or something... less platonic, shall we say.
RoyxRizaFan
My internet always dies while I'm loading an episode, then I'll refresh the page and it'll just die halfway through again.

This time, it died like two freaking seconds before he said that line you guys are talking about *dies*

I am still amazed that it was so straightforward like that. I mean, we all kind of knew that's why Bradley picked her to be his secretary, but still...wow.
spectator
I like that part -- She is your weakness.

I think Bradley always knows, since he can read someone's mind as a homunculus.

Aribelle
ohmy.gif wow, that's indeed pretty straightforward...I'm five or six episodes behind...perhaps I should catch up again XD

But even without the line the effect is still pretty drastic on Roy...he just looks so taken aback/upset when Bradley mentions that he's transferring Riza. I'm sure Bradley is perfectly aware of the implications of what he's doing though...he had to have known it would throw Roy off haha. That in itself says a lot biggrin.gif
DistantBlue
They're being that straightforward about that part?! D:

Speaking of which, in Ep. 20 Wrath doesn't saying that Mustang's weakness is his kindness....and in 25 he's saying that it's Hawkeye. To me, it seems like BONES is trying to slightly change the whole idea to lean over to Royai. But as much as I like that (I haven't seen the ep yet tho), I am a bit concerned because we haven't seen Roy do anything involving his manga!weakness, so they might be setting themselves up into a hole if something happens, even though it could involve Riza (well, at this point, it'd have to, come to think of it).
alchemistpower
I forgot what chapter it is but when Riza was tranfered under King Bradley's assistance, then Riza came back to Roy's office. She said she forgot something then then! when Riza left Roy said the he lost his queen.... That touched me >.< =] And then on chapter 95/96 i think.. Roy was going totally out of control because of envy =] then Riza screamed at Roy apparently. Then then (I'm going out of my mind now >.<) Roy told Riza that he doesn't want to lose her >.< That touched me as always! And as you can see i'm a ROYAI FANGIRL!! YAY!! YEEPEE biggrin.gif Told you i gotten out of my mind biggrin.gif
Illuminating-Darkness
Lol yep =)
I think he was holding the queen in front of him and he said something like "Even my queen has been taken from me" but was he refering to her as his strongest piece or somehting more? heh heh heh XD
Well, I just saw Ep 25 and Bradley really was like "She'll become your weakness"
That was not surprising at all ^.^
alchemistpower
QUOTE (Illuminating-Darkness @ Sep 28 2009, 11:03 PM) *
Lol yep =)
I think he was holding the queen in front of him and he said something like "Even my queen has been taken from me" but was he refering to her as his strongest piece or somehting more? heh heh heh XD
Well, I just saw Ep 25 and Bradley really was like "She'll become your weakness"
That was not surprising at all ^.^


Yep yep =] I almost fell out of my chair on Ep 20 and 24... It was so so so so wierd..... Especially when Roy told Riza to go when there trouble then she said no, so Roy said thet she was stubborn =]My friends was like screaming and stuff...... I almost got deaf when they saw Roy on episode 20 fighting Lust.. They were like "YEAH LETS GO ROY!! ROY YOU'RE SO HOT" so next time when me and my friends watches FMA brotherhood i seriously need ear muffs... hehehehe....
Illuminating-Darkness
LOLOL
My friends were like
OMG OMG OMG ROY OMG IS HE DEAD????

I was laughing XD

Seriously, the new anime is like, screaming ROYAI
^.^
alchemistpower
Lolz true.... OMG! I still remember this.. when I was like in year 10... Everyone was like watching FMA and then at episode 37 everyone was like... "LETS GO ROYAI LETS GO! LETS GO ROYAI LETS GO!" and then some threw their shoe on the screen O.o i was like... "ok... what a wierdo" huh.gif
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