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jacksparrow589
Eh, I keyed into the "bunny" bit, hayate. That would be what Roy calls Barry during that one call, and we all know how that worked out... smile.gif

Seriously, though, it's cute. I imagine Roy as really quite the caring husband. "You're craving what now? Yeah, I'll make you that chocolate chip omelette. With extra cheese and salsa? No problem... No, it being 3 AM doesn't bother me much." (Roy IF Riza were pregnant.)

Well, he's actually a really caring person in general. A bit of a softie, I think. But tough enough to be his own man... I want a guy like that! *bursts into tears* Except... *sniff* except maybe not QUITE so willing to risk EVERYTHING to keep someone else safe. Admirable as that is, there's the one nut who'll take you up on it. *cough*Dr. Creepydude!*cough*

Speaking of the not-so-good doctor, I really don't think he's gonna do away with either of our favorite couple. You know how we were talking about foreshadowing? I'd say the 520 cenz promise will keep Roy around, and the "entrusting my back to you" promise will keep Riza around. (I think she's gotten through the worst of that one with nearly having to shoot him--the rest should be easy.)
Aribelle
^ I agree, I think that with everything winding down...and winding up before winding down...there's not gonna be a lot of time to focus on Royai angst...as much as I love teh angst...
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Sep 21 2009, 09:13 PM) *
Seriously, though, it's cute. I imagine Roy as really quite the caring husband. "You're craving what now? Yeah, I'll make you that chocolate chip omelette. With extra cheese and salsa? No problem... No, it being 3 AM doesn't bother me much." (Roy IF Riza were pregnant.)


Ahh!!! That's adorable. I can see him being like that too. biggrin.gif Especially if Riza were pregnant. He'd probably be more like Hughes than he would like to admit to himself... Hughes was such a good hubby and dad.... *sniff* But are Roy and Riza really the type to have kids? I can imagine that it might be rough to bring a kid into a world that they've seen be so horrible.... But even so.... The CUTE! potential! Think about it.

QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Sep 21 2009, 09:13 PM) *
Speaking of the not-so-good doctor, I really don't think he's gonna do away with either of our favorite couple. You know how we were talking about foreshadowing? I'd say the 520 cenz promise will keep Roy around, and the "entrusting my back to you" promise will keep Riza around. (I think she's gotten through the worst of that one with nearly having to shoot him--the rest should be easy.)


I agree. To kill either of them now would be too much. The story already has so much going on, and I bet that Ed, Al, and Izumi are going to be the primary focuses of the next few chapters and that will take us directly to the climax of the story. So really, there's no time for Roy or Riza to die. I'm pretty sure it would have happened by now.
FMAobsessed
@jacksparrow LOL! on the how Roy would be if Riza was pregnant. He is the type who would do anything for her.

Ed, Al, and Izumi have to be the main focus of chapter 100. I am still wondering if wherever they went, they are together, or seperated. I almost forgot about the 520 cenz promise. That has to be foreshadowing on what Roy might do to get Ed back. I mean he owes Roy money! And we know Riza won't go anywhere if Roy is going to do anything.
Claudius
QUOTE (The_Twilight_Trinity @ Sep 21 2009, 08:47 PM) *
Ahh!!! That's adorable. I can see him being like that too. biggrin.gif Especially if Riza were pregnant. He'd probably be more like Hughes than he would like to admit to himself... Hughes was such a good hubby and dad.... *sniff* But are Roy and Riza really the type to have kids? I can imagine that it might be rough to bring a kid into a world that they've seen be so horrible.... But even so.... The CUTE! potential! Think about it.
Hey, Hughes once said he could not choose his death after taking a life. That does not sound like a guy who wanted to have children (for risk of premature abandonment via death), and yet he got Elysia (Then again, she might have been an accident).
Still, I would love to see Roy being a surrogate father to Elysia. The girl needs a father and who better than daddy's best friend? Likewise, Elysia is Hughes' legacy, and I don't see Roy ignoring that. I've done a fanfic about it once.
angelstar2408
Haha... Me too... I almost forgot the 'promise'.... Maybe when Ed finally returns it, Roy would be asking for the interest cuz it's been ages since Ed borrowed the money.... tongue.gif

Pregnant Riza would be a good fan fic material!!! Good idea.... And I have to agree on Roy being a softie... I think Roy's weakness is losing his friends... especially the closest ones. biggrin.gif
Fotia
QUOTE (angelstar2408 @ Sep 22 2009, 02:38 AM) *
Pregnant Riza would be a good fan fic material!!! Good idea.... And I have to agree on Roy being a softie... I think Roy's weakness is losing his friends... especially the closest ones. biggrin.gif


Mhmm... I don't mean to offend anyone, but I never thought Riza as the "motherly" type. It may be possible, but I don't think I've ever thought of her as anyone else other than an awesome lieutenant (and -coughwifecough-) to an awesome colonel. I figured she would stay in the military for most of her life, then settle down, marry Roy, and grow to old age and then pass on. :x

Just my two cents.
Forgiven
I am a little confused; I haven't been reading the manga nor watching the anime for sometime now (I blame school) and a lot of people were saying that Riza hawkeye died. Is that true?
Kaori Ayanami
QUOTE (Forgiven @ Sep 23 2009, 03:26 AM) *
I am a little confused; I haven't been reading the manga nor watching the anime for sometime now (I blame school) and a lot of people were saying that Riza hawkeye died. Is that true?
Short answer: no.
Long answer: ***** (censored). Not even close (by now)! Sorry, but this is so.... argh!
Gimpyhair
QUOTE (Forgiven @ Sep 22 2009, 09:26 PM) *
I am a little confused; I haven't been reading the manga nor watching the anime for sometime now (I blame school) and a lot of people were saying that Riza hawkeye died. Is that true?


No, she is still alive.

You might have been confused with many speculations about her dying so Roy could open the gate.
Turdaewen
Yeah... we really are complicated people to understand. xD we talk too much and confuse people! =P

About Riza not being motherly... Well... I think that too, but, at the same time, it might be because of her current situation. We change a lot throughout life and, at some point, she might want to settle down a little. Especially if Roy becomes Führer and everything.
She's still very young, in case we forget about it. She's probably 26-27. Plenty time to change a lot (just look at how she changed from the time her father died until now!)
FMAobsessed
And as people say having a baby changes everything. So how do we not know that Riza wouldn't change if she were to have a baby. I don't know whether or not I want Roy and Riza to have a baby together. But I do want them to end up together. I want to hear each of them to say "I love you." Is that really too much to ask?
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Sep 22 2009, 08:09 PM) *
But I do want them to end up together. I want to hear each of them to say "I love you." Is that really too much to ask?


In reality, it's not, but in the world of FMA I don't think it'll really happen.

Those two are so guarded in not only their actions, but emotions as well. The only time any real emotion has been displayed by them was usually under pretty extreme circumstances. Also, it's probably pretty hard for them to even break their formalities with one another anyways, since they're so used to it.

So, would they actually say, "I love you."? I honestly don't think so, but it could actually happen.
angelstar2408
I guess they wouldn't say 'I Love You' Directly since it is a bit err... Corny... But I think they'd somewhat relay the message in a less fluffy way.... (aka the 'Royai' way tongue.gif)

Because as I've observed they are one of the most subtle couples. They aren't the type to say those things... but who knows?! That would really complete my day if ever they do say that... wub.gif
jacksparrow589
"Actions Speak Louder Than Words" article, anyone? (For those who don't know the reference: It was the "anime amour" from... Beckett Anime, was it? Well, from a few years back. There's a link somewhere in this thread.)

Anyway, my "IF Riza was pregnant" conjecture was just that: a BIG "IF". I personally don't think Royai babies are going to happen in the manga, nor do I think we'll get a cheesy "OMG I luv u so much!!1!" type of thing. (Much as I'd LOVE to see both--don't get me wrong!) Probably one of those subtle exchanges that they're known for, and that'll be that, but that's one of the draws of the pairing, I think.

And, of course, there's always fanfic. wink.gif
FMAobsessed
I remeber the "Actions Speak Louder than Words" article. It was quite interesting. And really showed the depth of their relationship. But what can I say, I can be a corny person.
amestris_star
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Sep 23 2009, 08:01 AM) *
So, would they actually say, "I love you."? I honestly don't think so, but it could actually happen.


Actually say it? No... (just like Kale said). But I think they already do it with their reciprocal actions and words. And if you all are referring to the end of the manga, well - Arakawa might surprise us all and I think something will happen at the end, definitely not in a cheesy 'I love you' style - but there will be something smile.gif
SneakyRuler
I can't imagine Riza being a mother but I believe she would be a good mother and that *maybe* she actually wants to have childern. I deemed her a strict military officer but then we see her grocery shopping or chatting with Rebecca and suddenly she's feminine. Look how gentle she takes care of Black Hayate (well, most of the time). Yes, she DID horrible things in Ishbal. So did Roy and so did Hughes (though Hughes didn't carry the burden of becoming a mass murderer or creating one). Hard to tell.
Kaori Ayanami
QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Sep 23 2009, 05:09 AM) *
I want to hear each of them to say "I love you." Is that really too much to ask?

It would be totally un-Japanese, un-shounen-ish and and out-of-character, so... it's quite difficult.
hand-made-city
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Sep 23 2009, 04:44 PM) *
"Actions Speak Louder Than Words" article, anyone? (For those who don't know the reference: It was the "anime amour" from... Beckett Anime, was it? Well, from a few years back. There's a link somewhere in this thread.)


I've been dying to read that! Is it really in this thread? My god, it'll take me forever to look for it though...

I also don't think there will be any "I love you's" happening between Roy and Riza... it's not their style. So no matter how much I want it to happen, or want to see them kiss or hug or be romantic, it just won't happen! Not in this type of manga... but I've come to accept that. Lol!
Tombow
QUOTE (Kaori Ayanami @ Sep 23 2009, 02:40 PM) *
It (Roy and Riza saying "I love you" to each other) would be totally un-Japanese, un-shounen-ish and and out-of-character, so... it's quite difficult

I concur with Kaori 100%. ^^ Not only it's OOC in my opinion, but please remember that, traditionally speaking, it's very un-Japanese to say "I love you" in such a direct way. I read many many Japanese literatures, and it's rather unusual for the writer in a Japanese literature to make the character say "I love you" in such a direct way, and if he/she did, usually the readers would probably go "this ain't gonna happen in real life.." XD And, as fa as I know, Arakawa-sensei's writing is consistently "old fashion & traditional" in that area, and I can't foresee her making them utter "L" word in FMA raw. Besides, that would probably stick out like a page from some Harlequin novel got lost and mistakingly lodged in the middle of FMA. tongue.gif
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (Tombow @ Sep 23 2009, 01:07 PM) *
Besides, that would probably stick out like a page from some Harlequin novel got lost and mistakingly lodged in the middle of FMA. tongue.gif


laugh.gif The mental image I got from that made me laugh and shudder at the same time...

I would hate for that to actually happen - that would be extremely sappy and cliched - but at the same time, it'd be hysterical if Arakawa did pull something like that.
The_Twilight_Trinity
I think that I've seen the "I love you" discussion.... I dunno.... I can't even think of how many times. It seems to come up a lot. And the general consensus is always the same. It would be OOC, cliche, corny, sappy.... Though the harlequin comparison is new (good one Tombow)!

Personally, I agree with the idea that the exchanging of "I love yous" would never ever happen and that it shouldn't happen in order to keep the integrity of both Roy's and Riza's characters and the story itself. But I would be lying if I said I wouldn't squee with joy upon seeing it if it happened. Of course, after that initial fangirl spasm I would feel weird about it actually happening, and I'd probably be sort of disappointed in a way. It would be too strange.

As for Royai babies.... I feel almost the same. They would be so adorable!!!! But at the same time, they probably won't make an appearance in the manga. But as someone said, that's what fanfiction is for...
Hagaren_4ever
I'm actually pretty okay without the characters saying, "I love you". And I don't need a kiss, either. I mean, even the MARRIED couples in FMA have never had a shown kiss. Hohenheim/Trisha, (though not technically married), Hughes/Gracia, Izumi/Sig, Bradley/...Mrs.Bradley. XD But they all seem to have a love for each other all the same.

I've seen plenty of shows be wishy-washy with their confessions of love speeches, and sometimes when authors do that, it just makes the relationship seem shallow. The real deep love is when they suffer together, laugh together, stand over death together, cry for one another, and protect one another. When an author writes all those things in, a love confession isn't necessary, because it's already understood.
Turdaewen
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Sep 23 2009, 12:44 PM) *
Anyway, my "IF Riza was pregnant" conjecture was just that: a BIG "IF". I personally don't think Royai babies are going to happen in the manga, nor do I think we'll get a cheesy "OMG I luv u so much!!1!" type of thing. (Much as I'd LOVE to see both--don't get me wrong!) Probably one of those subtle exchanges that they're known for, and that'll be that, but that's one of the draws of the pairing, I think.

Yeah, that definitely wouldn't happen in the manga. Nor the babies, nor the 'I love you'. But that doesn't mean we can't have Royai in the manga! XD We can! It's just not like an american romantic movie, but still...

Not much else to say on the subject: people already summed all up.
Fotia
Roy/Riza saying the words "I love you"? Doubt it. But I don't think Awakawa is going to rely on actions alone to show their love. [that's just me]

"I love you." I hate those words. They've always seem so darn shallow. No matter the amount of times they were used right, I've always hated them. It's like using the word "big" instead of "vast" and "tremendous" and "colossal" and "wumbo". There are better alternatives out there. What I see, personally, is Roy saying something along the lines of "My heart shall forever burn for you" or something. Cheesy, but at least it's not those cursed three words.

+everything else everyone already said
FMAobsessed
I guess I am the only one who is a hopeless romantic. But I am not all about hugs and kisses and PDA. What interested me about Roy and Riza was the way they interacted with each other. Anyone could tell from the beginning that they had feelings for each other, or at least a past together.

I think what I really want is closure to their relationship. Anything would be fine really. Just not the movie ending! mad.gif But I don't think Arakawa would do that because in my opinion she seems to want to have the manga to end differently from the first anime series and movie.
Gimpyhair
Is this old, cause I never saw this before: http://gallery.minitokyo.net/view/406069

*SQUEEL OMG RIZA'S FACE*

jacksparrow589
Turdaewen--Ah, but you love our movies, don't you? I mean, they're just too adorable sometimes!

Fotia--Eh, I can kinda see Roy being cheesy about it, if only to have fun. It all depends on the setting with these two. When it's peaceful, a joke or two will suffice, or an "I wish it was like this all the time" sort of sentiment. With the hard times, it's "Go back on that promise and your @$$ is grass! I've given up too much as it is!"

FMAobsessed--You couldn't be more wrong--I'm a hopless romantic, too! I know when romantic situations are hopeless... waitaminute... Nah! Roy and Riza are FAR from hopeless. But I do agree with you about anger over the movie ending.

Gimpy--Love the poster! That section will be tough for me to watch, though.
amestris_star
QUOTE (Gimpyhair @ Sep 24 2009, 04:34 AM) *
Is this old, cause I never saw this before: http://gallery.minitokyo.net/view/406069

*SQUEEL OMG RIZA'S FACE*


Looks like old anime Roy to me...
Causmicfire
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Sep 23 2009, 09:58 PM) *
QUOTE (Gimpyhair @ Sep 24 2009, 04:34 AM) *
Is this old, cause I never saw this before: http://gallery.minitokyo.net/view/406069

*SQUEEL OMG RIZA'S FACE*


Looks like old anime Roy to me...



And the color of their cloaks seems too dark compared to the other art I've seen for the Ishval arc of Brotherhood, though I haven't seen that particular piece of art before.

@FMAobsessed - Yeah, hopeless romantic here, too, but I don't think we'll necessarily get an 'I love you'

I see more of a "Don't make me worry like that, you idiot" scenario or maybe a look shared between them as one of them says they've still got a way to go.
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (Gimpyhair @ Sep 23 2009, 07:34 PM) *
Is this old, cause I never saw this before: http://gallery.minitokyo.net/view/406069

*SQUEEL OMG RIZA'S FACE*


Yeah that's from the first anime...and I actually have a pencil board of that exact piece of artwork, strangely enough.
Illuminating-Darkness
Ha, I actually haven't seen that piece before either.... XD
Its cute... if thats the right word for it >.<
angelstar2408
@FMAobsessed : Don't worry... I'm a hopeless romantic as well.
rinoaebastel
@FMAobsessed: Im a hopeless romantic too...So much xD
Gimpyhair
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Sep 24 2009, 12:58 AM) *
Looks like old anime Roy to me...

QUOTE (Causmicfire @ Sep 24 2009, 01:18 AM) *
And the color of their cloaks seems too dark compared to the other art I've seen for the Ishval arc of Brotherhood, though I haven't seen that particular piece of art before.

QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Sep 24 2009, 01:48 AM) *
Yeah that's from the first anime...and I actually have a pencil board of that exact piece of artwork, strangely enough.



And I was so sure it was new: I mean, it's nearly the same art as the cover for volume 15 sad.gif
Turdaewen
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Sep 24 2009, 01:25 AM) *
Turdaewen--Ah, but you love our movies, don't you? I mean, they're just too adorable sometimes!

Of course I do! ^^

I loved the poster as well. In fact, I've been seeing some pretty good FMA:B images lately. ^^
FMAobsessed
Hooray! I am not the only hopeless romantic on this thread. I think everyone wants to see Roy and Riza and Ed and Winry for that matter together in the end because of all the personal struggles they went through. And the fact that they were with each other the whole time, so why not make it official.
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Sep 23 2009, 11:48 PM) *
QUOTE (Gimpyhair @ Sep 23 2009, 07:34 PM) *
Is this old, cause I never saw this before: http://gallery.minitokyo.net/view/406069

*SQUEEL OMG RIZA'S FACE*


Yeah that's from the first anime...and I actually have a pencil board of that exact piece of artwork, strangely enough.


Hmm... That's strange. It does look like it's probably from the first anime, but I'm almost positive there's a part in the first anime where Hughes actually says that he was not in Ishval with Roy (I remember being angry when he said it... BECAUSE HE REALLY WAS THERE!!!.... silly first anime.....), so it really wouldn't make sense for him to be in an Ishval picture. That's why initially I thought that it might be new, but I suppose since there's evidence to the contrary it's not.... Oh well. Too bad it's not new.
hand-made-city
Wait, that image really isn't new? It does resemble the Brotherhood style... and The_Twilight_Trinity is right. Hughes stated in the first anime that he wasn't in Ishval.... so whyyyy... okay that's just weird.

*raises hand* I am another hopeless romantic, so don't count me out! While I can't have the sappy romance in the manga/anime... I can certainly imagine it in my head! biggrin.gif
Turdaewen
I think it's from Brotherhood alright... This picture doesn't look old and, in the list of scans of FMA, it's on the first page up with the most recently submitted ones. So, I'm pretty sure (even though its not like 100% sure) that it's from FMA:B.

The japanese magazines have been releasing arts (not original, mostly) regarding future event of FMA:B and, since the Ishval flashback is coming up, it makes total sense...
Equivalent Exchange
Major Royai fan here~ So hi everyone~!

Hm. About that picture everyone's mentioning, I agree with Turdaewen on this one; but why it looks like the first anime's style, I wanna know. O_o;
amestris_star
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Sep 24 2009, 07:48 AM) *
Yeah that's from the first anime...and I actually have a pencil board of that exact piece of artwork, strangely enough.


Has anyone read what Kale said here with respect to that picture? O_O Apart from the fact that Maes and Roy are in the old first anime style to me.
Kale Mustang
Why hello, what do we have here?

Front:


Back:


And...what's this? Note the date:



...so can we please put the theories to rest that this piece of art is from the Brotherhood when it's clearly from the first series? Not trying to be mean or a jerk, but I don't exactly want to spread any misinformation.
Kaori Ayanami
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Sep 25 2009, 07:29 AM) *
...so can we please put the theories to rest that this piece of art is from the Brotherhood when it's clearly from the first series?

I read the part with the date, and there were the names of Bones and Aniplex.

Now this is strange. Maybe they wanted to animate the Ishval scenes in a way closer to the manga at first, but then changed their opinion.

EDIT: It also says Square Enix, Dentsu and Movic.
Turdaewen
Kyle, I haven't seen your post, so sorry I said something stupid, you don't need to be aggressive ¬¬'


Yeah... this is weird... Especially since the first anime didn't even mentioned Ishval all that much and, if I recall correctly, they not only said that Hughes wasn't there, Riza wasn't either. O.o So it makes no sense for them to do something like this since it's kinda contraditory with the story of FMA 1.

So maybe it's like an art made for the manga, instead of the anime? But then, why would they put up Bones and Aniplex instead of Shounen Gangan or Square Enix? Just weird...

About what Kaori said, I don't think so since, when FMA 1 was being animated, the Ishval Flashback hadn't come up in the manga. That part was only released in Shounen Gangan in 2006. It would only be possible through Arakawa's mentioning to Bones about the 'future of FMA', but, if that was so, how could they know exactly how the clothes, appearances and all would be like?
jacksparrow589
Just to be clear before I state what's on my mind about that poster: I am now aware that it is pre-Brotherhood, not to mention that flashback in the manga.

My thought: That looks like the cover of vol. 15 just a little bit. Roy's almost the same, but everyone's sitting on the cover, and Maes's face can't be seen. Coincidence, or precursor to the cover?
Kale Mustang
Like I said above, I wasn't trying to be mean when I posted the pencil board pics, I just don't want people claiming that the art is from Brotherhood when it isn't.

As for the art itself, though the uniforms aren't exactly as they were depicted in the manga (where the uniform coat is more in line with their dress uniform) it's pretty close overall to Ishval. Perhaps when they were asked to draw the piece, maybe it was suggested to draw them in desert combat clothes? Who knows, but the only thing I know for sure is that this piece was drawn before Brotherhood.

amestris_star
And it should have been even more obvious that it's not from Brotherhood, because if you notice their feet, the shoes/boots are not covered in that beige/cream cover up which in the Ishval flashback are depicted perfectly as in the manga.

Turdaewen
You know, I've noticed that in some rather respectable places they state Roy's Bday in on Sept 25th... (even more so, some people even put he was born in 1886, when, in fact, he was born in 1885 O.o)

Where have those people took that one from?? O.o
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