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jacksparrow589
Well, I'm glad that it's looking like our favorite couple lives through the chapter. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I really think that, as important but not completely main characters, they've been put through the wringer too many times to make things turn out badly for them. But that could just be me. sad.gif

rinoaebastel--Nice comic! I love the fluff!
Alzea
Argh, don't even tell me, this chapter....darn, I hope she won't die, I agree with jacksparrow589 but still, who knows, Arakawa is unpredictable and Father still needs sacrifices, so there are two questions - how Roy is going to open the gate or if he won't be a sacrifice in the end who is going to be? Still people on 2chan were saying that something might happen to Fuu and Riza, Fuu is dead so... Honestly, I hate when we're starting this topic about Riza, but now it's worse since this time we're starting it because it actually might happen

rinoaebastel, this cheered me up a bit, thanks~! ^^
FMAobsessed
Whenever we get spoiler pics for an upcoming chapter with Roy and Riza, this thread really booms. I feel like we are getting close to the end of the manga, and I feel like Arakawa is running out of time to have Roy and Riza have the ultimate moment of them confessing their love. But I will try not to believe that.
amestris_star
Thing is, she and Roy went through so much sh*t that it would be totally unfair for them to go through so much pain again.

Roy and Riza, especially Roy of course, have already gone through the pain of losing a very close friend. Just imagine if Roy himself has to lose his half, I mean... he'd be downright destroyed. How about his goal? Wow, rebuilding a country would be yes, feasible, but... empty maybe? I'd be truly empty if I lose my other half at the very end of the road we walked through together. It would be friggin' unfair and it would feel bloody pointless. I know it'll be yet another month of rife speculation of whether Riza will die and stuff like that, and trust me, I will try to keep out of it as much as possible if it's going to be that way (and I can safely add that Kale thinks of this issue just like I do).

And thanks jacksparrow589, I really wanted to hear a similar opinion to mine on the matter.
Kaori Ayanami
I think that if one or both of them were to be abducted, killed, etc., we would have the scans by now. We have Fuu's, etc., already. If anything, the spoilers point to the opposite conclusion: Roy is there after Ed was abducted by a Truth-like eye. Riza is there, too. So if anything happens to them, it will be later. At next chapter, at most.

Besides, as we have seen from the scans, the confirmed sacrifices were the ones abducted. Roy wasn't confirmed, and wasn't abducted either. On top of that, their involvement with the evil plot of Father, (the abductions, so far), have been in a forced way. Hell, they didn't even do a thing for that to happen. So, no point in thinking Roy would risk to open the door for Riza or something, because it would be against his will.
Alzea
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Sep 10 2009, 11:00 PM) *
Thing is, she and Roy went through so much sh*t that it would be totally unfair for them to go through so much pain again.

Roy and Riza, especially Roy of course, have already gone through the pain of losing a very close friend. Just imagine if Roy himself has to lose his half, I mean... he'd be downright destroyed. How about his goal? Wow, rebuilding a country would be yes, feasible, but... empty maybe? I'd be truly empty if I lose my other half at the very end of the road we walked through together. It would be friggin' unfair and it would feel bloody pointless. I know it'll be yet another month of rife speculation of whether Riza will die and stuff like that, and trust me, I will try to keep out of it as much as possible if it's going to be that way (and I can safely add that Kale thinks of this issue just like I do).

THIS!

You said exactly what I think. You can add me to the list xP It looks like I should just stay away from this forum for a while because it's just as you said we will get a whole month of theories mainly about Riza's death and I want to stay away from them since it's the worst possible scenario for me, we talked about it a lot (in the royai thread, various topics here and not only), in the end it comes to the point that "we should just wait and see".

Haaaah, good point Kaori Ayanami, I'm sure that in this chapter there won't be anything major about them and about 'Roy opening the gate', it might be possible but we should honestly wait with this at least till release of the full chapter the October.
RoyxRizaFan
Oh God I can't believe someone claimed that the Riza-dies-for-portal thing was true like that! I used to sway back and forth on the issue, but since reading this, I've become pretty sure it isn't happening:

QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Aug 9 2009, 10:49 PM) *
Actually, I think he does have to open the Portal himself.

But, at the same time, we don't know exactly WHY and HOW they chose these people as 'possible sacrifices'. Of course ,it has something to do with the ability to open the Portal, but that's not all. IF Wrath was thinking about killing Riza to make Roy open the portal, why would he say 'Mustang is too kind' and not something like 'I know where we can 'push' Mustang'? Roy wouldn't have to be a 'kind' person to be able or willing to resurrect someone. Quite the contrary, he would have to be selfish.
It seemed like Wrath was bringing forth the self-sacrificing side of Roy and not his 'love for a woman'. If that was the case, his 'goodness' wouldn't be an issue, only his ability and his 'trigger' would. And if Wrath is talking about the goodness as a 'trigger', it wouldn't make sense in terms of bringing back someone to life, because that's a selfish act, not a self-sacrificing act. If his good side is a 'weakness' would mean that he would die before seeing anyone get hurt, not the contrary.

More than that, if Roy tried to resurrect Riza, it would bring the whole speech of "Leaders must put the people and welfare before themselves" during the Envy dilemma to the ground. I mean, would he stop, in the middle of a WAR, to plan and to create a theory of human transmutation for a completely selfish purpose, not only against his own goals and beliefs, but also against all Riza stands for and, more than that, knowing he would be contributing towards the goals of people who wanna destroy an entire country?? That's "being kind"??

So, for me, Wrath was not talking about 'Roy being in love with Riza', at chapter 40. He was talking about how Mustang didn't care about his own life and trying to save Riza, Al and Havoc. Which would be on the opposite direction of a human transmutation. And reinforces the idea that human transmutation is not the only way to open the Portal.

So, I reiterate that, for me, killing Riza to make Roy open the gate would make no sense at all. If she dies, it would not be for that.


I think Turdaewen's post pretty much covers everything.

rinoaebastel
- Awesome comic strip, and the omake made me lol.
amestris_star
I'm pretty certain it won't happen - it's rereading someone mentioning yet again that disturbs me. Plus that puts negative vibes all over the place which are not appreciated at all.

@Alzea: You're welcome tongue.gif
SneakyRuler
There is no way Mustang would even try to revive Hawkeye, were she dead (which she isn't, thanks heavens). It's not humanly or physically possible and he should know it. But man, was I scared when the spoilers of 99 showed up! So no negative vibes but I must admit I wasn!t so sure myslef about the whole dying thing for a while.

edit---

Turdaewen: yes, I couldn't say it be better. And it seems like Wrath doesn't have a chance to show up and make Roy do anything now. Just saying.
Fotia
Good to know she's alive~ [highlighted the spoilers, didn't read the spoiler pages]

Yesterday I had a dream about the whole situation and it involved matrix-like music and a bunch of things that MAY happen. I was right about Fuu though... though I have to admit I didn't expect him to die that way. Such a shame. You'll be missed, old man Fuu. Why Fuu? Whyy? D: He was totally awesome... then again, that may be a good thing, him dying, because (don't kill me for this) I don't think Arakawa will kill so many pretty important between small intervals. Which may mean our favorite couple will have a higher chance of living for a while because of the grace period we get from Fuu? I dunno. (I'm probably not making any sense here.) Arakawa always surprises me.

Sorry about opening the box of negative vibes guys. e__o; I totally didn't think through it. What I thought was pretty stupid of me. tongue.gif

I think I better skim though the entire thread first... [yes, all 1188 pages -shudder-]

@SneakyRuler; I think Wrath is going to die now...since he doesn't have a billion lives (cause he only got one soul in him, I believe) like the other homonunculi, and that wound to his side is probably going to be fatal. Probably.
Turdaewen
Actually, now that we're discussing this and RoyXRizaFan brought that post of mine forth, I kinda had an idea of how they might be able to make Roy want to open the portal: by telling him they're going to kill Ed and Al.
I can totally see him doing something to save the Elrics. After all, they have been abducted.

It, in fact, makes more sense to me, in regards to chap. 40 than killing Riza.
FMAobsessed
Intersting thoughts about Roy opening the portal because Ed and Al are in there Turdaewen. Can you imagine how furious Ed would be if he had to owe Roy for something like that?

I have the feeling that we will always have the "will Riza die?" conversation, at least until the manga is over. Arakawa always does surprise us, but I don't think she will "surprise" us in that way. After all very angry fangirls will rise up, charge into Japan and demand that the ending of FMA is changed so that it show Roy and Riza together. Or at least I will do that.
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Sep 10 2009, 06:24 PM) *
Actually, now that we're discussing this and RoyXRizaFan brought that post of mine forth, I kinda had an idea of how they might be able to make Roy want to open the portal: by telling him they're going to kill Ed and Al.
I can totally see him doing something to save the Elrics. After all, they have been abducted.

It, in fact, makes more sense to me, in regards to chap. 40 than killing Riza.


Oh my. This makes sense! A lot of good sense too! Really, really good theory, Turdawen! It's good to have you on these boards to keep us all levelheaded about the whole RizaZOMGDEATH! issue. You always come in with a calm explanation when some of the rest of us are going crazy. Thanks for that!

And @FMAobsessed-- I'd definitely be right there with you. The rabidly obsessed fangirl in me would go ballistic. For sure. biggrin.gif
FMAobsessed
@The_Twilight_Trinity Yay! I have a follower.

That isn't suppose to sound weird in any way. But I am consistantly refreshing this website for more 99 news, and of course more news on our favourite couple.
Causmicfire
QUOTE (The_Twilight_Trinity @ Sep 10 2009, 09:00 PM) *
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Sep 10 2009, 06:24 PM) *
Actually, now that we're discussing this and RoyXRizaFan brought that post of mine forth, I kinda had an idea of how they might be able to make Roy want to open the portal: by telling him they're going to kill Ed and Al.
I can totally see him doing something to save the Elrics. After all, they have been abducted.

It, in fact, makes more sense to me, in regards to chap. 40 than killing Riza.


Oh my. This makes sense! A lot of good sense too! Really, really good theory, Turdawen! It's good to have you on these boards to keep us all levelheaded about the whole RizaZOMGDEATH! issue. You always come in with a calm explanation when some of the rest of us are going crazy. Thanks for that!



This makes sense...especially since there are so many similarities to the first anime.
jacksparrow589
Okay, but now we have another issue: should Roy open the portal, wouldn't he have to make a sacrifice? How would that work? And would we lose him forever? Now that I'm not worried as much about Riza (not that I have been very much), I'm starting to worry about Roy and opening the portal. But there's still the possibility that someone (my vote's on Hoho) will throw a monkey wrench in those plans and save the day, and THAT'S basically all that's keeping my hope alive right now.

Fotia--Our most recent "Will Riza Die?" convo on this thread took place... relatively recently. Between 95's release and now. I think everyone made their feelings clear at that point. A lot of really good points were brought up, too.
rinoaebastel
what if....scar is the sacrifice to open the portal? like he was the "sacrifice" to create the philosophal stone in the old anime... that was on my mind long ago.


PS: im glad all enjoy the comic, laugh, and cheer up with it. that makes me happy. wink.gif
Turdaewen
Yeah... I thought that about Scar as well...
I`m sorta worried about Roy as well, but not as worried, though. I have no idea what he`ll use to open the portal, but it`s pretty clear right now that human transmutation is not the only way: Gluttony is a pretty good example of that. A philosopher stone would do the job just fine... but there might be other alternatives as well. We`ll have to wait and see. XD

But I still stick with my opinion that chapter 40 wasn`t related specifically to Riza, let alone as a romantic connection and using her as bait in that sense. It would be completely incoherent with the idea of him being a `good, self sacrificing person`.
Mindy
Good gravy, over 1,000 posts?!?! tongue.gif

I also like this couple, too and they were actually my favorite couple in the 1st anime series. They have this presence about them when they're on-screen (or paper) that demands your attention.

One particular "Royai" moment stands in my mind: when Riza says "Don't go where I can't follow." I love that!
black~hayate
QUOTE (Mindy @ Sep 12 2009, 03:36 AM) *
"Don't go where I can't follow." I love that!


Who doesn't love that biggrin.gif. But you know what? That was a misstranslation.
She said something about "animalistic side" again instead of this phrase.
The translators who (almost allways) give their translations to (for example) onemanga.com, they are Royai fans, that's why they do so biggrin.gif Or at least I think so.
rinoaebastel
bah, in there, official translations have a lot of misstranslation for example ....umm grumman is the father of riza not his grandfather,(I don't like that xd) so I think I prefer unofficial royai misstraslations xD

And i love too the misstraslation of the "Don't where i can't follow" XD
rzerox21xx
this is funny, Royai sims

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS-Pgu1S6DQ...feature=related

athough roy's hair is too long and young looking.
Causmicfire
There are going to be some nice screenshots of Riza from this episode.

black~hayate
From this episode? You mean B:23? There are =3 Riza looks awesome in them. We need to collect some screenshots. Like from the last episodes >D
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (Causmicfire @ Sep 13 2009, 10:51 AM) *
There are going to be some nice screenshots of Riza from this episode.


Agreed!

Riza+Awesome driving skillz+Glasses and her hair down=WIN!

biggrin.gif
black~hayate
Here ya go...
Forsaken Love
me likes that shot
rinoaebastel
she is so cool biggrin.gif

I Like this one http://pics.livejournal.com/rinoax/pic/000dp8dc/
thunderbreak
riza scenes are all-cool in this ep XD.
Turdaewen
Yeah... and day by day, Ishval gets closer!! *.* I'm so exited!! XD
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Sep 13 2009, 08:46 PM) *
Yeah... and day by day, Ishval gets closer!! *.* I'm so exited!! XD


Me too! I want to see the scene with Riza's father dying and his funeral because those moments are SO ROYAI! I'm looking forward to those most, but Ishval will be so epic! LET THERE BE ANGST!!!!! Plus, there's a lot of Royai in Ishval too.

Sweet screen shots from the ep! Riza is awesome!
zonkiethegreat
Ok..the portal opening debate. What about this???

Can't Roy use the Mad Doctor to open the portal????

Or has someone else bunked this theory already?? Just curious, because I don't see how Roy could use Riza as a sacrifice. I don't think that will happen.
amestris_star
QUOTE (The_Twilight_Trinity @ Sep 14 2009, 04:54 AM) *
Me too! I want to see the scene with Riza's father dying and his funeral because those moments are SO ROYAI! I'm looking forward to those most, but Ishval will be so epic! LET THERE BE ANGST!!!!! Plus, there's a lot of Royai in Ishval too.


That is something I'm REALLY looking forward to.
Turdaewen
I don't think Roy would use ANYONE as a sacrifice to open the gate. It would be weird and quite the contrary of everything that was stated during the Envy dilemma.
During the whole siege of Central, he ordered his soldiers (and also himself) to kill noone. It would be out of logic to kill a person now only because he's working for Father.

It would make more sense if General Armstrong did something of that sort, but not Roy. In fact, Wrath's point in making Roy open the gate is his intrinsic goodness, so, if he's indeed going to sacrifice someone, it would be himself.

But I'm also not very worried with Arakawa killing Roy because of all the subtle scenes and environment she seems to put forward that Roy'll become Führer: his 520 cenz promise to Ed, his 'diplomatic relations' towards Ling, along many others.
Forsaken Love
about opening the gate, I allways thought of Roy as a logical and stratgeical person, rather than one to be goverened by his emotions, to open the gate in order to ressurect just seemed very un-royish to me, however this chapter edward got dragged into it right in front of him, assuming Roy doesnt know much about the gate, would he maybe try and think of a logical way to rescue Ed and the others out of it, that results in him opening the gate and causing probable disastrous consequences?
amestris_star
QUOTE (Forsaken Love @ Sep 14 2009, 06:53 PM) *
about opening the gate, I allways thought of Roy as a logical and stratgeical person, rather than one to be goverened by his emotions, to open the gate in order to ressurect just seemed very un-royish to me, however this chapter edward got dragged into it right in front of him, assuming Roy doesnt know much about the gate, would he maybe try and think of a logical way to rescue Ed and the others out of it, that results in him opening the gate and causing probable disastrous consequences?

Don't forget there's Riza with him - she's his rational side so, I don't think that'll happen.
Forsaken Love
but Riza is not an alchemist, and Roy only knows the danger of ressurecting someone, if they don't know anything about it, its possible Roy would attempt it
black~hayate
QUOTE (Forsaken Love @ Sep 14 2009, 06:58 PM) *
but Riza is not an alchemist,


But her Daddy was a very powerful alchemist. Don't forget it, she lived with him without a mother, for a long time. She knows the fire alchemy code, she knows the fire alchemy pattern, She must know alot.
Forsaken Love
yeh but unless you perform human transmutation like ed, al and izumi, i dont think the average alchemist generally knows much if anything about the gate, so i doubt if roy doesnt riza will *shrug* and i think roy opening the gate unknowing of the consequences and not for a reason like ressurection is much more in character for him, assuming he will end up opening it at some point
zonkiethegreat
I KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN!!!

Mei-Chan will save the day!! LMAO

So there! No need to worry Royai fans! biggrin.gif

rolleyes.gif biggrin.gif
rainbowcatgirl
It is highly unlikely that Riza would want to bring Roy back to life.
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (zonkiethegreat @ Sep 14 2009, 01:46 PM) *
I KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN!!!

Mei-Chan will save the day!! LMAO

So there! No need to worry Royai fans! biggrin.gif

rolleyes.gif biggrin.gif


Ha ha! Totally. We don't have any idea where she is, so it's possible....
jacksparrow589
Mmmm... Roy might not have firsthand experience with the Gate, but he knows a lot (well, a lot is relative) of people who do. My bet is that he's gotten bits and pieces of information from people. He's seen its effects, too. As... passionate (maybe?) as he is, he doesn't often run purely on emotion, and he's got the sense to know better than to open the Gate. (To black~hayate: thanks for bringing up that Riza, due to her background, very likely has at least basic knowledge of alchemy and how it works!)

And props to whoever said that Roy's ordered everyone else not to die, and has made a committment that he won't, either. (Was it in this thread or the Chapter 99 thread? I don't think I dreamed it...) There's positive foreshadowing in FMA, too!
Turdaewen
It is! ^^
Adding it all up, I think it's highly unlikely for either Roy and Riza to die. It just seems really... far-fetched, since there are as many (even more) hints pointing towards them living through it than hints of any death involved. (regarding, in that sense, that I don't see chap 40 as a hint as to the death of Riza in ANY sense, for the reasons already said).
SneakyRuler
Just yesterday, I made up a new theory about Roy dying... can't remember how I got to that conclusion but the obvious: my theories are all so far-fetched and paranoid that anything makes sense rolleyes.gif

But why to keep being pesimistic when both Riza and Roy are alive and it seems Dr. Crazy doesn't seem to want them to be harmed.
black~hayate
He doesn't even care about them >D And I'm pretty happy about this.
If Roy or Riza would be sacrifices, they would have been allready taken by the black evil haaaaandz.
I'm pretty optimistic about this.
Forsaken Love
Riza was never a potential sacrifice, and I think its really weird the fuher to mention all this stuff about getting Roy to open the gate only to abandon it, I still think he will end up been a sacrifice personally, and the reason he hasnt been taken by the hands YET is because he hasnt seen the gate before YET
Turdaewen
Yes, he can be taken as sacrifice, but I think it's pretty consensus, now, that it won't be 'trying to resurrect Riza'
But it also seems weird for him to 'open the gate' in such a situation: they're in the middle of a battle, that won't end unless one of the sides looses. All the others have been taken to the portal, already, it justs seems really weird for Roy to just waltz in there to 'take a peek at the truth'. Which leads me to another thing: this sacrifice thing may be quite different than what we're all thinking. XD
rzerox21xx
found this really cool rizaroy fanart

this is a nice riza pic, cant put the image there snice its blank but the page.

http://lenneth.deviantart.com/art/FMA-Riza-Hawkeye-14960200


this royai wedding.



I guess their wedding night, depends on what you see

spectator
laugh.gif I thought that Riza would have shot and killed the mad scientist. I guess that would prevent all the major appearances of our main characters huh. end the story too quickly huh?
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