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hand-made-city
Oh jeez. Does it matter if he says MY or THE first lieutenant? I mean, she literally is his first lieutenant (and I don't even mean this in a Royai-ish way), considering she works as his subordinate. So saying 'my' wouldn't be out of the ordinary for him to say, if he really did say it. So that difference in translation is pretty irrelevant. He's still referring to the same person anyway.
rzerox21xx


you know that fullmetal fighting game that has a ending of Mustang dream becoming law. In that video you see his ending and it involve Riza in a miniskirt but beware, Armstrong is also in a miniskirt.

http://www.nicozon.net/watch/sm7758842

I guess at cons people can say

Armstrong is dead sexy in a miniskirt

hahahhaha
Kaori Ayanami
QUOTE (hand-made-city @ Aug 13 2009, 08:10 PM) *
Oh jeez. Does it matter if he says MY or THE first lieutenant? I mean, she literally is his first lieutenant (and I don't even mean this in a Royai-ish way), considering she works as his subordinate. So saying 'my' wouldn't be out of the ordinary for him to say, if he really did say it. So that difference in translation is pretty irrelevant. He's still referring to the same person anyway.

Well, well, calm down. In the translation that HisshouBuraiKen just posted (scanlations have some differences, dunno why), "Lieutenant" is written in capital letters. In Japanese, the characters have all the same style, so there is no special stress. That is also a mistranslation (and that's important in FMA, since the font and the details of the characters vary a lot... and do count).

Besides, Japanese does have some ways of emphasizing the membership of someone. "Uchi no" before "Lieutenant" would mean Roy is stressing that she belongs to his squad. But he didn't say it that way. Not even the context allows for such an interpretation.
So it's sweet but not Royai, in my opinion. Just a simple, true statement: she was the one who ended up convincing him (not that Ed and Scar hadn't helped before wink.gif ).

I'm picky about translations, way too much for my own good. Sorry if I have bothered anyone because of that.


Not that I deny Royai. In this regard, the way Roy loosened Riza's grip on her weapon is way more meaningful than any royaish mistranslation.
Tombow
QUOTE (Kaori Ayanami @ Aug 13 2009, 07:07 AM) *
Here we go again... There, another case of a royaish translation. sleep.gif

This is the original line: "Watashi ga asoko de fumitodomareta no wa chuui no o-kage da". The translation should be something like this: "It was thanks to (the) 1st. Lieutenant that I was made hold my ground back there". Not that my Japanese is that good, but the difference is quite clear. (Sorry if the wording seems awkward, English is not my mother language ^^U).

Go tell them off, Tombow. tongue.gif

...
Yet another lurker appearing out of nowhere. Hi, everyone. happy.gif

Edited:
@JELEE: No, it's HisshouBuraiKen's version. Tombow still hasn't make it that far. tongue.gif
And thanks for the welcome.

(I'm only quoting one of the conversations on this topic to show that which topic I'm talking about.)

*First off, wave to Kaori-san!! WELCOME!! happy.gif *

As you noticed, I haven't finished translating the new chapter yet... because... I'm having an awful time with my NET connection and I'm even having hard time opening up the page-by-page view album Causmicfire had kindly made. And, my connection keeps going on and off, so the editing of my post with translations again & again to add each new translation for successive pages is nearly impossible at the moment. sad.gif

Anyway, in the posted part above, in the raw there is nothing to indicate THE or MY or whatever. It just says "Lieutenant" ...no "the" nor "my" and actually that's fairly usual in Japanese, and in these cases each translator has to "fill in the gap" so to speak.
In this case, I would translate it with "the" as that would be more neutral and fit for the occasion, IMO. smile.gif

(Edited out the rest because the rest was OT talk about the translation stuff. XD)
rinoaebastel
QUOTE (rzerox21xx @ Aug 13 2009, 08:35 PM) *
you know that fullmetal fighting game that has a ending of Mustang dream becoming law. In that video you see his ending and it involve Riza in a miniskirt but beware, Armstrong is also in a miniskirt.

http://www.nicozon.net/watch/sm7758842

I guess at cons people can say

Armstrong is dead sexy in a miniskirt

hahahhaha


LOL i never saw this....wich history is? roy's one?
Aribelle
The thing with translations is that unless a scanlation team has their own translator they usually just use what's there, and I browsed through the translators on Mangahelpers and HB is currently the only English translator doing translations of Fullmetal Alchemist's most recent chapters. If not for him, we most likely would not be getting a scanlated chapter this quickly, if at all, so let's not bite the hand that feeds and be grateful that there are so many people on this board who can clear things up when need be smile.gif

I also want to stress that OneManga is not responsible for the translations on their site. They do not scanlate manga, they simply host it. Whichever group releases their scans the fastest is generally the one that gets uploaded to OM. And, like I mentioned earlier, since there is currently only one English translation of FMA 98 floating around on Mangahelpers, translation-wise it doesn't make a difference whether the scan is uploaded now or days from now. The only difference we'd see would probably better quality cleaning and typesetting.

Really, the scanlation groups and translators are working very hard at no profit to them just so we can enjoy our favorite series without having to wait to buy the tankoubons, so I'm okay with a liberal translation and I am very thankful to the people here that let us know the more literal translations smile.gif

As for the line, I still think it's nice that Roy acknowledged Riza as the one who talked him down from from squashing Envy. It doesn't really make a difference to me whether he said "My Lieutenant" or "The Lieutenant", because he knows it was her that saved him. I still think it's cute :3
Michiyo-
Look at this pic of Roy (from the game):


He looks soo good in casual clothes! biggrin.gif Too bad hes not on a date with Riza.
amestris_star
He's with one of the girls - considering the temporal setting of the game itself, that's exactly around when they show him dating his informants - does Elizabeth-chan is with another man ring a bell? XD

And why is the scarf red? OO

Kale Mustang
The red scarf looks good with the brown - reminds me of fall colors.

My friend will be getting this game for me - dunno when, but he told me he'd get it for me.
kkg22104
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Aug 13 2009, 04:21 PM) *
And why is the scarf red? OO


Red=flames? XD Lol, that was the first thing I thought of tongue.gif
Turdaewen
QUOTE (Kaori Ayanami @ Aug 13 2009, 03:48 PM) *
Not that I deny Royai. In this regard, the way Roy loosened Riza's grip on her weapon is way more meaningful than any royaish mistranslation.

BTW. has anyone noticed that the way he loosened Riza's gun was VERY similar to Ed talking Winry's gun from her?? Not the situation in itself, but the gentleness. ^^ So cute!
amestris_star
QUOTE (kkg22104 @ Aug 13 2009, 10:26 PM) *
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Aug 13 2009, 04:21 PM) *
And why is the scarf red? OO


Red=flames? XD Lol, that was the first thing I thought of tongue.gif


LOL

Well, on second thoughts... I suspect that he wore the white scarf with the black outfit of his... the red (and Kale pointed that out to me and made me change my opinion sort of...) goes well actually with the brown... man, does Roy have some awesome fashion sense *grins*
kkg22104
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Aug 13 2009, 04:34 PM) *
BTW. has anyone noticed that the way he loosened Riza's gun was VERY similar to Ed talking Winry's gun from her?? Not the situation in itself, but the gentleness. ^^ So cute!


Ooh, nice job pointing that out, I have no idea why I missed that similarity! It's like a parallel situation to two of FMA's best couples! biggrin.gif

Oh, and @star: Of course Roy has good fashion sense, how else would he get so many women to like him? XD tongue.gif
Turdaewen
Actually, taking a better look at it, he really looks better in brown...
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Aug 13 2009, 01:38 PM) *
Well, on second thoughts... I suspect that he wore the white scarf with the black outfit of his... the red (and Kale pointed that out to me and made me change my opinion sort of...) goes well actually with the brown... man, does Roy have some awesome fashion sense *grins*


See?! See?! I have a pretty good fashion sense. tongue.gif

I know what colors work and stuff. happy.gif

Joking aside, I can't wait to actually play the game - hopefully soon.
hand-made-city
Oh! That girl does look exactly like the woman in the pub... I thought of her immediately after seeing that part in the game! So we see her (if it is her) before she even shows up in Brotherhood, I guess. He should be with Riza... lol!

Roy's red scarf doesn't looks so bad... I had always assumed it was white.. or maybe a cream color! That would be nice.
DistantBlue
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Aug 11 2009, 09:05 AM) *
...cause I have a STRONG feeling that, if that whole 'Riza's death theory' is to become true, it's going to happen next month, on chapter 99.


OMG! Me too!

I dunno how it happens, but every time I wonder if there is going to be Roy and Riza in the next chapter, I get feelings. Like, if they are not in it, I won't feel anything. If they are, I feel all tingly in my stomach and excited. Sometimes, I'll get a little tingly like for this month and I think, 'They'll be in it a little bit.' and I was right. And back in 94, I was super-tingly all the time and I thought, 'There will definitely be Roy and Riza in this chapter, and a lot of them!' and since then I've never been wrong.

For this month, I'm sensing DEFINITE Roy and Riza, and something big happening. I just hope it's not Riza's death!

BTW, if you think I sound stupid, I feel sorry I wasn't able to say something about this three months ago to prove you wrong.

Also, Chapter 99/100 (the aftermath, probably, the death probably being a cliffhanger) would be the absolute SADDEST manga chapters EVER.
jacksparrow589
My opinion on translations: Just because one is more loose with the language does not mean that, at the core, the same thing is not being said. Just as we've all been saying, "my" or "the" makes no difference in that Riza's getting the credit. I also linked the translations of both Tombow and HisshouBuraiKen from chapter 95... I don't know how many pages ago, but I did. At the core, they're saying the same thing. Hisshou's is far more classically romantic, whereas Tombow's is not even remotely the first thing that comes to mind as romantic, even though it's about as literal as it gets. In the end, the two were saying basically the same thing: DON'T DO IT, and it made Roy finally see the light, and that's what matters.

Also, no matter what language you speak, the artwork makes it clear. (Someone else mentioned this, I think, but can I go on record as having seconded the notion?) I could read as many different translations as I wanted, and I'd still see the same expressions and get pretty much the same thing out of it. Roy getting Riza to lower the gun (never noticed that this was like Ed and Winry, but thanks to whoever pointed it out!), like you all have been saying, says everything.

On the game screencap: Yeah, the girl does kinda look familiar! And Roy looks pretty good!

EDIT: Turdaewen--You win a prize! Everything's falling into place now! (I hope Madam Christmas is in the game, too!)
Turdaewen
QUOTE (Michiyo- @ Aug 13 2009, 05:18 PM) *
Look at this pic of Roy (from the game):


He looks soo good in casual clothes! biggrin.gif Too bad he’s not on a date with Riza.

OMG! I know who that girl is! XD It's Vanessa! ^^ She's one of Madame Christmas' girls! The one who asked if she had a chance with Roy after he 'lost Elizabeth'. O.O
Here. http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/62/42/
I knew she looked familiar... And she appears at the manga exactly in the part of the story this game takes place...
That was a really nice touch from the people who made the game... Now I'm wondering whether Madame Christmas is on this game, too!
amestris_star
Ha ha! That's what I wanted to check yesterday evening and actually didn't have the time to do that... I knew it was her XD And if you notice carefully, Roy in that manga page doesn't have the white scarf - so, they got that right too biggrin.gif
rinoaebastel
@DistantBlue I usually have the same feelings x)...Lol, im glad to know that im not the only one with the tingly thing xD

By the way, finally there are only 100 chapters?
Turdaewen
Nah!!! There's no way she'll be able to finish all up in two chapters...

If I remember correctly, Arakwa mentioned she'll probably close FMA until next spring...


And about the scarf, I guess the 'white one' only show up on that chapter about the 'promissed day', when he go visit Havoc.
rinoaebastel
Mm spring....that is to much lol but that is great.
thanks for the info ^^
FMAobsessed
Roy does look good in red. I never imagined the scarf to be that color. I always imagined him to be a neutral color guy. I need to search for cut scenes on youtube of that game.

About the translation, not everything is going to translate perfectly from one language to another. But the message is pretty much the same. And isn't our Royai motto, "Action speaks louder than words." So when Roy has Riza lower her gun was exactly that. Although there words to go with it. But it is different from when in chapter 94 he screams and swore at her to drop her gun.
Turdaewen
No, its not... it's about 6-8 chapters. Considering how many loose ends she's gotta tie up, I think it's a pretty good number.
amestris_star
I suspect we'll get to around Chapter 110 or something in those lines, but we're definitely going beyond the 100 mark for sure smile.gif

@FMAobsessed: Go check the FMA games section, and there's a thread where Michiyo is posting some videos related to the Wii game smile.gif
RizaXRoy
QUOTE (rinoaebastel @ Aug 13 2009, 01:35 PM) *
QUOTE (rzerox21xx @ Aug 13 2009, 08:35 PM) *
you know that fullmetal fighting game that has a ending of Mustang dream becoming law. In that video you see his ending and it involve Riza in a miniskirt but beware, Armstrong is also in a miniskirt.

http://www.nicozon.net/watch/sm7758842

I guess at cons people can say

Armstrong is dead sexy in a miniskirt

hahahhaha


LOL i never saw this....wich history is? roy's one?
This was Roy and Ed's scenario. I did play this game. I'm not quite remember about the story and also I'm beginner in learning Japanese. If i'm not wrong, it's like King Bradley will make their wish come true if Roy and Ed can beat him [Please do correct me if it is wrong]. So obviously , the miniskirt-thing is Roy's wish. laugh.gif Riza's face just showed that she was not willing to wear the miniskirt..XD

Yeah, FMAobsessed, I'm agreed with yout!! Actions speak louder than words !! biggrin.gif It doesn't matter to me if its 'my' or 'the' even though I REALLY think that 'my lieutenant' would be very nice!!

Thanks for posting the pic , Michiyo~!! Roy is handsome!! I want to see a jealous Riza XD just like she did in the first FMA anime!!

Looks like we would have Royai in chapter 99..really such a long wait and this keeps me thinking a lot of guesses about what's going on next. BTW, I want to know how is Riza's injured shoulder, sigh, Riza has no time for medical care. Roy should at least show concerns on Riza's injured shoulder. tongue.gif
hand-made-city
QUOTE (RizaXRoy @ Aug 14 2009, 12:33 PM) *
Looks like we would have Royai in chapter 99..really such a long wait and this keeps me thinking a lot of guesses about what's going on next. BTW, I want to know how is Riza's injured shoulder, sigh, Riza has no time for medical care. Roy should at least show concerns on Riza's injured shoulder. tongue.gif


I have a feeling that they're just going to leave Riza's shoulder as is until everything is over. Her blood seems to have clotted enough to not be a problem for her anymore, so I don't think they'll bring attention to her injury very much. Otherwise they probably would have done so by now.. But maybe if she gets more wounded Roy will open his eyes and help her! tongue.gif
amestris_star
QUOTE (hand-made-city @ Aug 14 2009, 06:47 PM) *
But maybe if she gets more wounded Roy will open his eyes and help her! tongue.gif


If she gets more wounded... Roy will definitely start panicking... *nods*
Turdaewen
If she gets more wounded, I'll start panicking!! lol
black~hayate
Yeah, I was so mad at Roy that he did not even talk a word with her (well, at least we haven't seen it happen) after "she rescued him" Maybe that's because the chapter was too short?
I forgot my "madness" since I was pretty relieved that we had both of them in this chapter.
amestris_star
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Aug 14 2009, 07:14 PM) *
If she gets more wounded, I'll start panicking!! lol


Correction - we'd all start panicking *nods*
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Aug 14 2009, 11:29 AM) *
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Aug 14 2009, 07:14 PM) *
If she gets more wounded, I'll start panicking!! lol


Correction - we'd all start panicking *nods*


Ha ha! Yes, we'd definitely all start panicking. I'm just hoping she'll hold out and keep herself from getting wounded.... Though I'm sort of worried for her in that situation. Since "guns don't work on anything these days," she's really very very, vulnerable to Wrath or Pride... or possibly to that guy they found at the end of the chapter since he definitely seems to have something up his sleeve to threaten even Roy, Ed, and Scar. Gah! Roy will probably be very sure to protect her, though. I'm almost positive of that!
kkg22104
I just thought of something completely r@ndom: If Riza gets severely injured in an upcoming fight, Roy might have to save her with the same method he used to save himself and Havoc in the Lust fight. How ironic would that be, if the tattoo that she hates saved her life? (Though this probably won't happen in the manga anyway laugh.gif)
Aribelle
QUOTE (hand-made-city @ Aug 14 2009, 09:47 AM) *
I have a feeling that they're just going to leave Riza's shoulder as is until everything is over. Her blood seems to have clotted enough to not be a problem for her anymore, so I don't think they'll bring attention to her injury very much. Otherwise they probably would have done so by now.. But maybe if she gets more wounded Roy will open his eyes and help her! tongue.gif

The injury seemed pretty superficial when she got it...there was a lot of blood, but there always seems to be a lot of blood in manga XD I swear it's like EVERYONE has extreme high blood pressure. But Riza seems to be doing okay right now. She's not showing any signs of too much blood loss or anything, so I'd just be worried that she's in a lot of pain...but I agree, I doubt they're going to make mention of her injury. If they were going to they probably would have already done it.

QUOTE (The_Twilight_Trinity @ Aug 14 2009, 10:45 AM) *
Ha ha! Yes, we'd definitely all start panicking. I'm just hoping she'll hold out and keep herself from getting wounded.... Though I'm sort of worried for her in that situation. Since "guns don't work on anything these days," she's really very very, vulnerable to Wrath or Pride... or possibly to that guy they found at the end of the chapter since he definitely seems to have something up his sleeve to threaten even Roy, Ed, and Scar. Gah! Roy will probably be very sure to protect her, though. I'm almost positive of that!

She really is vulnerable to the villains that are left...I don't want her to sit out for the rest of these battles but I also don't really know what she can do at this point. I guess go rejoin with Breda and them, but I doubt it. I'm pretty sure she's going to stay with Roy. So I guess we'll just have to wait and see...
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (Aribelle @ Aug 14 2009, 11:58 AM) *
She really is vulnerable to the villains that are left...I don't want her to sit out for the rest of these battles but I also don't really know what she can do at this point. I guess go rejoin with Breda and them, but I doubt it. I'm pretty sure she's going to stay with Roy. So I guess we'll just have to wait and see...


AAHH!!! The waiting!!!!! So hard.....

I agree that she will most likely stay with Roy no matter what, despite that she really can't do much good in the upcoming battles, sadly. She's far too loyal to him to save herself, which is something I absolutely love about Royai! Too bad it puts her in such danger though.
amestris_star
QUOTE (The_Twilight_Trinity @ Aug 14 2009, 08:17 PM) *
I agree that she will most likely stay with Roy no matter what, despite that she really can't do much good in the upcoming battles, sadly. She's far too loyal to him to save herself, which is something I absolutely love about Royai! Too bad it puts her in such danger though.


She'd even stay by his side even if he orders her to leave. I'm pretty sure of that.
As for the tattoo... maybe that can come in handy in this particular situation... mmmh...
hand-made-city
QUOTE (The_Twilight_Trinity @ Aug 14 2009, 02:17 PM) *
AAHH!!! The waiting!!!!! So hard.....

I agree that she will most likely stay with Roy no matter what, despite that she really can't do much good in the upcoming battles, sadly. She's far too loyal to him to save herself, which is something I absolutely love about Royai! Too bad it puts her in such danger though.


Ah yes, the waiting. It seems that we wait and wait for a chapter, but then it goes so fast once it comes, and we're left waiting for the next chapter! Once a month is such torture! But Arakawa has a lot of work on her hands, so I can't complain!

I really hope and have a feeling that there will be some Royai in the next chapter! I'm hoping for a big scene, but it would probably be something like what we got in this chapter, where the two of them just say one or two things or look a certain way... And at this important time, the last thing Riza would do is leave!

I also wonder if the tattoo will ever be mentioned again. That was such an interesting part of her and Roy's character, so I've been dying for a scenario where the topic will return, but so far it hasn't!
Kaori Ayanami
Now that I think about it, the most worrying sign about Hawkeye's future is that, before that weird scientist/alchemist/whatever (related as he is to the country-wide transmutation sigil and the human sacrifices) she is the only one who got nothing to do with that.
black~hayate
Guys! Don't loose hope!
I know who will protect Riza from the badass sciencist when Roy can't...
Black Hayate =D.
No, really, it could be a possibility tongue.gif
spectator
About that mad scientist, I predict that Roy and Riza may react like this...

Roy: "Lieutenant, stand down!"
Riza: "But, colonel!"
Roy: "No but! That's an order!"

tongue.gif
jacksparrow589
Dr. Creepydude's a human, though, right? Guns might not work on homunculi or tricked-out zombies, but Riza could shoot him, couldn't she?

And the homunculi have already acknowledged (and more than once, I think) that humans seem to be rather more resilient than they'd first noticed. I'm holding out hope that this is some good foreshadowing.

We'll see some sort of something going down next chapter, that's clear enough. Will Roy and Riza be in it? Yeah. Will we get a Royai moment? Mmmm... jury's still out on that one. We've taken notice in the past of the proximity of one moment to the next. Unless Arakawa does something incredibly 1) cliche, or 2) amazing beyond all comprehension, it just doesn't seem like there would be much time or reason for a serious Royai moment. Interaction? Probably, and hey, why not? "Actions speak louder than words", as has been said. I'm looking for an exchange of glances or something.

But Dr. Creepydude's plan takes precendence over anything else next chapter. Bottom line: I'm going with my usual, "Hope for the best, but expect the worst." Either way, I know I'll be surprised!
Kaori Ayanami
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Aug 15 2009, 03:16 AM) *
Dr. Creepydude's a human, though, right? Guns might not work on homunculi or tricked-out zombies, but Riza could shoot him, couldn't she?

You're right. Why would Arakawa put a shooter in an all-alchemist team?
Now that bad feeling I had has just changed into a good one. Thanks. biggrin.gif
amestris_star
QUOTE (spectator @ Aug 15 2009, 01:34 AM) *
About that mad scientist, I predict that Roy and Riza may react like this...

Roy: "Lieutenant, stand down!"
Riza: "But, colonel!"
Roy: "No but! That's an order!"

tongue.gif


That's exactly what I was thinking...
Turdaewen
Yeah... the Doctor is just an alchemist. So, I guess you guy are right: Riza can take him.
amestris_star
http://www.geocities.jp/yn_cq/999-ty01.html

A beautiful comic preview (probably from one of her upcoming doujinshi) from the awesome Chocolate Queen smile.gif

And found this too...

rzerox21xx
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Aug 15 2009, 08:41 AM) *
http://www.geocities.jp/yn_cq/999-ty01.html

A beautiful comic preview (probably from one of her upcoming doujinshi) from the awesome Chocolate Queen smile.gif

And found this too...




My only problem with the doujin art is Riza looks like a shota in there. Her signature eyes aren't there and she doesnt look recognizable.
amestris_star
QUOTE (rzerox21xx @ Aug 15 2009, 04:50 PM) *
My only problem with the doujin art is Riza looks like a shota in there. Her signature eyes aren't there and she doesnt look recognizable.


That's part of her artistic style I suppose, she draws them slightly different from Arakawa but the art is pretty much awesome anyway...

And found this too:


spectator
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Aug 15 2009, 09:04 AM) *
Yeah... the Doctor is just an alchemist. So, I guess you guy are right: Riza can take him.


I think Riza will shoot that doctor just like shooting barry, before even the doctor can start anything evil. laugh.gif Then, happy ending. laugh.gif that will make everyone sweatdrops.
rzerox21xx
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Aug 15 2009, 08:51 AM) *
QUOTE (rzerox21xx @ Aug 15 2009, 04:50 PM) *
My only problem with the doujin art is Riza looks like a shota in there. Her signature eyes aren't there and she doesnt look recognizable.


That's part of her artistic style I suppose, she draws them slightly different from Arakawa but the art is pretty much awesome anyway...

And found this too:





couldnt see the artwork that you put there so I copy and paste it, and yeah it looked good. thanks. okay the link is fixed.

can't wait for someone to post the royai scenes of prince of dawn somewhere. edwin too.
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