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Turdaewen
QUOTE (Aribelle @ Aug 1 2009, 04:50 PM) *
Yes, I agree with what everyone said. I think that Riza does carry a lot of guilt for what happened in Ishval and what the flame alchemy she gave Roy turned him into in 94 and 95, and I'm sure Roy feels guilty as well, so they're both trying to atone. Of course, I don't think that's the only reason they stick together wink.gif

You're right, it's not the only reason why they're together. We seem to forget, sometimes, but Roy is the closest Riza has got to a family! The bound between them is way to deep to resume only to guilt, but they both blame on themselves for Ishbal. Roy thinks it's his fault Riza became a murderer and Riza thinks it's her fault Roy became a murderer. They were both yound, naive and idealistic and they payed a big price for that.

But, the thing about Riza's guilt is that, on that particular scene, you get to see how much she blames herself for everything that has happened. If Roy failed at that point, it would mean Riza failed, too. Almost as if she failed him, cause she promised she would try her best keeping him from falling. She's not his aidee to protect him from enemies, he can take care of himself in that dept. She's there to protect the 'Leader Roy' from his own ingenuity and his own darker side. He's just too powerful to go beserk....

And that only makes the 'queen' allusion even more impressive, since, in myths, that's exactly the figure and function of the Queen: to be the King's conscience and keep him from driving from his path. Whenever a king looses his queen, he begins to loose purpose and meaning and cannot rule anymore. And it's fantastic to see Arakawa put such a reference in her story.
hand-made-city
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Aug 1 2009, 05:33 PM) *
And that only makes the 'queen' allusion even more impressive, since, in myths, that's exactly the figure and function of the Queen: to be the King's conscience and keep him from driving from his path. Whenever a king looses his queen, he begins to loose purpose and meaning and cannot rule anymore. And it's fantastic to see Arakawa put such a reference in her story.


I agree, the queen allusion and the depth of Roy and Riza's relationship is mind-boggling sometimes. Sometimes I just shake my head and smile, because I'm so impressed that characters like these exist. Arakawa is incredibly impressive, to have so much thought put into these two characters, and not many of the casual FMA fans (as in, those who watch/read the series and enjoy it, but don't go through discussions or try to analyze details further) can even scratch the surface of understanding their relationship.

Thank you Arakawa, for bringing Roy and Riza to life in this way! I could cry in happiness!!!
black~hayate
Hahaha!
Royai for the win!
You all know why!
Because of the newest episode of course!!!
amestris_star
QUOTE (black~hayate @ Aug 2 2009, 01:39 PM) *
Hahaha!
Royai for the win!
You all know why!
Because of the newest episode of course!!!


Yeps of course - I spazzed all morning and now I'm actually feeling tired... next two weeks will be purely made of something called... AWESOME.
StormGoddess
QUOTE (Tombow @ Aug 1 2009, 08:21 AM) *
In conclusion, that scene is much much MUCH deeper than just making into some cheap melodrama scene and hence cheapening Riza's character by making her look like some cheap melodrama queen.


... and making Arakawa look like some cheap melodrama cow writer sleep.gif

I'm not a fan of romance stories and such stuffs but I love how Arakawa wrote their story, so it's really embarassing that their lines were easily misinterpreted.


QUOTE (black~hayate @ Aug 2 2009, 04:39 AM) *
Hahaha!
Royai for the win!
You all know why!
Because of the newest episode of course!!!


YAY! and the next episode will be more awesome than ep 18 fdsafadsfsdfsfs

I want episode 19 now asfkjanfjksdgfufrfkdjf
amestris_star
And I bring Riza fanart from my usual source <3 that would make Roy go crazy XD



Wii game is inspiring for sure biggrin.gif
Turdaewen
Yay!!! And, also, on ep 19, they're not taking out THAT scene ^^
Told Ya! =P
Michiyo-
@amestris_star: That fanart is beautiful, thanks for posting it! ^^

The game comes out in 2 weeks, so we'll know its story (and possible Royai moments) very soon. biggrin.gif
And if chapter 98 will have Roy and Riza in it, then we'll have a Royai week.
amestris_star
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Aug 2 2009, 03:42 PM) *
Yay!!! And, also, on ep 19, they're not taking out THAT scene ^^
Told Ya! =P


Yes, I was kinda pessimistic I must admit, but I was so happy that you can't even imagine, Kale may tell you the state I was in this morning XD Chapter 38/39 will be set in their totality in Eps. 19 and 20... and most probably I think they'll place a cliffhanger in 19 for sure, till our darling Colonel's arrival. At least that's my bet.

QUOTE (Michiyo- @ Aug 2 2009, 03:50 PM) *
@amestris_star: That fanart is beautiful, thanks for posting it! ^^

The game comes out in 2 weeks, so we'll know its story (and possible Royai moments) very soon. biggrin.gif
And if chapter 98 will have Roy and Riza in it, then we'll have a Royai week.


You're welcome ;) And yes, I'm eagerly waiting for the game to come out for screenshots XD
And for 98 of course... hoping it has at least some Royai in it <3
Tombow
@amestris_star - That fanart is so FMA Wii game!! Love it. biggrin.gif
I'm looking forward to finding out more on the game, too!!
..BTW, the caption says "(Riza in) cute Chinese dress!!." ^^

QUOTE (Michiyo- @ Aug 2 2009, 09:50 AM) *
The game comes out in 2 weeks, so we'll know its story (and possible Royai moments) very soon. biggrin.gif
And if chapter 98 will have Roy and Riza in it, then we'll have a Royai week.

Haha, that would be Royai Trifecta! We'll all die of Royai overload. tongue.gif
Or not. ^^ Anyway, I'm sooo excited about the next episode. biggrin.gif
RizaXRoy
amestris_star: Roy will go crazy then faint.. laugh.gif .Thanks for bringing the fanart!! Can't wait to know the real story between Royai in the new game!!

Yeah~ They kept the scene!! be pessimistic at first, then here's the big suprise.. tongue.gif

OMG.Next episode is really really SUPER EPIC!! we may have both Riza vs Gluttony and Roy vs Lust scene next week!! Oh..I saw a smiling Riza and crying Riza !!And I love the way she looks at Roy!! Let's see if there's a Riza-scolds-Roy scene.. I love episode 19 the most right now !! Sure it's good to have a Royai week~ biggrin.gif
amestris_star
QUOTE (RizaXRoy @ Aug 2 2009, 05:06 PM) *
OMG.Next episode is really really SUPER EPIC!! we may have both Riza vs Gluttony and Roy vs Lust scene next week!! Oh..I saw a smiling Riza and crying Riza !!And I love the way she looks at Roy!! Let's see if there's a Riza-scolds-Roy scene.. I love episode 19 the most right now !!BTW, it's good to have a Royai week~ biggrin.gif


I suspect Roy vs Lust will be upcoming in Ep. 20... let's just say, 19 will build up the whole climax with the Riza vs. Gluttony, Roy saving Riza, the scolding, the... well everything, I'm going to adore the next two episodes, and the animation seems very well done.

Yes, and if this feel-good factor keeps up, we might have Roy and Riza in the next chapter smile.gif
The_Twilight_Trinity
AAAAH! I'm so excited for the next episode already! The preview makes it look like it's going to be awesome! Now I have really high hopes for an overdose of Royai this coming week! Yay! biggrin.gif Happy Birthday week to me! Ha ha! laugh.gif

I couldn't help but re-watch the preview, and I noticed that Riza gives Roy the sweetest look (after Gluttony).... Probably the "I'm glad you're alive" moment and after Roy getting told off *hopes that makes the cut too*! And crying Riza... Gah! I really can't wait to see it now! Seven days seems like such a long time now.... And even more for the new chapter, though, I'm not sure if it will have Royai or not. I might just die of happiness if it does.
hand-made-city
OH GOSH I'M SO EXCITED! *flail*

This will be Royai week for sure.... And one day, we'll start Royai month.. and so on and so-forth. biggrin.gif
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (hand-made-city @ Aug 2 2009, 11:33 AM) *
This will be Royai week for sure.... And one day, we'll start Royai month.. and so on and so-forth. biggrin.gif


*imagines a whole Royai year*

That... would be EPIC!
Aribelle
Ahhh I need to watch this episode...everyone is making me so excited for it! I also hope this will be a big Royai week...that would make me so happy :3

@The_Twilight_Trinity - A Royai year might just make me pass out from celebrating every day XD hospitals would suddenly be flooded with people with "excessive fangirling disorder"

All right~ I'm off to see it \o/
amestris_star
QUOTE (The_Twilight_Trinity @ Aug 2 2009, 07:37 PM) *
QUOTE (hand-made-city @ Aug 2 2009, 11:33 AM) *
This will be Royai week for sure.... And one day, we'll start Royai month.. and so on and so-forth. biggrin.gif


*imagines a whole Royai year*

That... would be EPIC!


Every day is a Royai day *nods fervently*

*gets shot* I've fangirled too much today I suppose +P
Michiyo-
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Aug 2 2009, 05:19 PM) *
I suspect Roy vs Lust will be upcoming in Ep. 20... let's just say, 19 will build up the whole climax with the Riza vs. Gluttony, Roy saving Riza, the scolding, the... well everything, I'm going to adore the next two episodes, and the animation seems very well done.

But the title of ep. 19 is supposed to be íThe death of an immortalí, so I think weíll see the Roy vs. Lust next week.
So many things will happen in one episode. But itíll definitely be awesome. biggrin.gif Canít wait for next week!
HannahBlack09
QUOTE (The_Twilight_Trinity @ Aug 2 2009, 10:05 AM) *
AAAAH! I'm so excited for the next episode already! The preview makes it look like it's going to be awesome! Now I have really high hopes for an overdose of Royai this coming week! Yay! biggrin.gif Happy Birthday week to me! Ha ha! laugh.gif

I couldn't help but re-watch the preview, and I noticed that Riza gives Roy the sweetest look (after Gluttony).... Probably the "I'm glad you're alive" moment and after Roy getting told off *hopes that makes the cut too*! And crying Riza... Gah! I really can't wait to see it now! Seven days seems like such a long time now.... And even more for the new chapter, though, I'm not sure if it will have Royai or not. I might just die of happiness if it does.



You are soooooo right talking about that look that Riza gives to Roy happy.gif

Suddenly a week seems too far awaay, I cant waait!! laugh.gif
amestris_star
QUOTE (Michiyo- @ Aug 2 2009, 09:09 PM) *
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Aug 2 2009, 05:19 PM) *
I suspect Roy vs Lust will be upcoming in Ep. 20... let's just say, 19 will build up the whole climax with the Riza vs. Gluttony, Roy saving Riza, the scolding, the... well everything, I'm going to adore the next two episodes, and the animation seems very well done.

But the title of ep. 19 is supposed to be íThe death of an immortalí, so I think weíll see the Roy vs. Lust next week.
So many things will happen in one episode. But itíll definitely be awesome. biggrin.gif Canít wait for next week!


Could be, but I'm not 100% sure. Can someone confirm the title?
Tombow
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Aug 2 2009, 03:31 PM) *
Could be, but I'm not 100% sure. Can someone confirm the title?

@amestris_star - Yes, "the death of an immortal" is the title for the next episode. And, Roy vs Lust is in it. I'll post the translation of the official preview as soon as my computer connection stops spazzing. biggrin.gif
amestris_star
QUOTE (Tombow @ Aug 2 2009, 09:39 PM) *
@amestris_star - Yes, "the death of an immortal" is the title for the next episode. And, Roy vs Lust is in it. I'll post the translation of the official preview as soon as my computer connection stops spazzing. biggrin.gif


I hope they don't go too fast... well that chapter has a lot of action in it after all.
Aribelle
QUOTE (The_Twilight_Trinity @ Aug 2 2009, 10:05 AM) *
I couldn't help but re-watch the preview, and I noticed that Riza gives Roy the sweetest look (after Gluttony).... Probably the "I'm glad you're alive" moment and after Roy getting told off *hopes that makes the cut too*! And crying Riza... Gah! I really can't wait to see it now! Seven days seems like such a long time now.... And even more for the new chapter, though, I'm not sure if it will have Royai or not. I might just die of happiness if it does.

I saw that too!!!! *dies* I'm pretty sure that what it was...I'm so excited for next week now!! The preview was just <3

Now we just have to hold out for some Royai in 98 :3 but even if there isn't any, I think this week and next week's episodes will fill my Royai quota for a while laugh.gif
Turdaewen
You mean this??

Yeah... I noticed. XD


black~hayate
Yes it's this *drooling*
And yeah, in the preview we saw Riza loose a tear (don't call it crying >D). So that means the big battle will be next week wink.gif
Aaaaack Bones diddn't dissapoint me! I am actually...overdosed...slap me someone...
hand-made-city
*slaps black~hayate* biggrin.gif Nah, you didn't deserve a slap, I take it back. ^^

Riza was just so CUTE in that preview! And I never thought that word could ever apply to her. Her design is finally being adjusted properly though!
Aribelle
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Aug 2 2009, 01:14 PM) *
You mean this??

Yeah... I noticed. XD



<3 <3 <3 YESSSS zomg. Thanks for posting the screenshot ^^

This is going to be a long week XD

And I saw the tear part too! It looked like it was animated really well...and I am now going to go watch the angsty Rukia scenes in Bleach so I can try to predict what Hawkeye will sound like laugh.gif

*needs a life*
amestris_star
I think we shall be spazzing over the screenshots till no end tongue.gif
spectator
I watched the preview and I heard the narrator described Riza as '... beauty...'. Did I hear it right? laugh.gif. Never once I heard someone described her anything close to 'beautiful'.

One more thing worth notice. From the preview, it seems like there are more action scenes in the following episode than the manga. Don't you guys think so?
amestris_star
QUOTE (spectator @ Aug 2 2009, 11:32 PM) *
I watched the preview and I heard the narrator described Riza as '... beauty...'. Did I hear it right? laugh.gif. Never once I heard someone describes her anything close to 'beautiful'.


Maybe Roy secretly wrote the preview text himself XD
SneakyRuler
To be honest, in a bold attempt not to watch this episode without subs I just skipped to preview of episode 19 smile.gif And for the first time, Riza looked wonderful. You noticed that the whole preview was almost dedicated to her? Let's hope they keep her eyes the way they're now.

Can't wait for the next episode... and I haven't seen the next yet!
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Aug 2 2009, 03:42 PM) *
QUOTE (spectator @ Aug 2 2009, 11:32 PM) *
I watched the preview and I heard the narrator described Riza as '... beauty...'. Did I hear it right? laugh.gif. Never once I heard someone describes her anything close to 'beautiful'.


Maybe Roy secretly wrote the preview text himself XD


Ha ha! Yes, of course he did!

I noticed that the entire preview seemed devoted to Riza too! Maybe she'll finally get one of those eye-catch things with the corny "FULLMETAL ALCHEMIST!!!!111ONEONEOMG" voice! biggrin.gif I'm so glad that they've fixed up her design a bit, too. She looked so weird in the beginning. Now she's finally starting to look normal again!

By the way, thanks to Turdaewen for posting the pic!!! Aw... She just looks so sweet....
hand-made-city
QUOTE (The_Twilight_Trinity @ Aug 2 2009, 07:13 PM) *
I noticed that the entire preview seemed devoted to Riza too! Maybe she'll finally get one of those eye-catch things with the corny "FULLMETAL ALCHEMIST!!!!111ONEONEOMG" voice! biggrin.gif I'm so glad that they've fixed up her design a bit, too. She looked so weird in the beginning. Now she's finally starting to look normal again!


I hope she'll have an eyecatch next episode! She deserves a nice one!

I also noticed something concerning the first series box sets. Riza doesn't seem to have a character profile in any of the extras! Some characters even have two profiles on separate disks, but she doesn't have a single one! How did they leave her out...? T_T
HannahBlack09
Riza definetly deserves the eye catch, and Havoc might be the other one.. omg!! *insert fangirl squeal* Im so excited! and Riza looks so beautiful! When she gives him that look must be the part that he says "Im glad that you are alive."

At least bones is giving us one of the greatest Royai moments, yeaah they screwed it up with the jealous!Roy/Barry thing, but.. yaaayy!!! happy.gif chapter 39 is really awsooomee!!
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (hand-made-city @ Aug 2 2009, 05:34 PM) *
I also noticed something concerning the first series box sets. Riza doesn't seem to have a character profile in any of the extras! Some characters even have two profiles on separate disks, but she doesn't have a single one! How did they leave her out...? T_T


Really? That's strange. Isn't she the third or fourth most popular character? Well, I suppose they might not have known that at the time of the first series but still... Riza is awesome! It's seems weird that they'd leave her out.
Forgiven
My dad asked me what Royai was yesterday. lmao

I also woke up in a Royai mood today because of the dream I had last night, but I can't friggin remeaber the dang dream!
hand-made-city
QUOTE (The_Twilight_Trinity @ Aug 2 2009, 09:28 PM) *
QUOTE (hand-made-city @ Aug 2 2009, 05:34 PM) *
I also noticed something concerning the first series box sets. Riza doesn't seem to have a character profile in any of the extras! Some characters even have two profiles on separate disks, but she doesn't have a single one! How did they leave her out...? T_T


Really? That's strange. Isn't she the third or fourth most popular character? Well, I suppose they might not have known that at the time of the first series but still... Riza is awesome! It's seems weird that they'd leave her out.


Yeah.. she's the third most popular character, I believe. But I checked every dvd and she's not there! I mean heck... Sheska got two profiles! Sweet as she may be, Riza is more important than her. tongue.gif I suppose Funimation screwed up when they were putting the disks together. She's in the guidebooks that came with the box sets though.....
Turdaewen
QUOTE (The_Twilight_Trinity @ Aug 2 2009, 10:28 PM) *
QUOTE (hand-made-city @ Aug 2 2009, 05:34 PM) *
I also noticed something concerning the first series box sets. Riza doesn't seem to have a character profile in any of the extras! Some characters even have two profiles on separate disks, but she doesn't have a single one! How did they leave her out...? T_T


Really? That's strange. Isn't she the third or fourth most popular character? Well, I suppose they might not have known that at the time of the first series but still... Riza is awesome! It's seems weird that they'd leave her out.

It IS weird. O.o But, back on the first series, she didn't have much of a spotlight as she does in the manga...
And she's the 3rd most popular character, according to the latest popularity pool. The highest position for a female character in FMA and just under Ed and Mustang XD (poor Mustang! Never seems to get past Edward, no matter how hard he tries!! lol Who knows?? Maybe after the 'revenge part' he might rise...) (Me, myself, I prefere Roy to Ed, but... if it came down between him and Riza... sorry, Mustang, but Riza wins XD) I don't think he would much hurt if he was surpassed by Riza... It's a lot more complicated because it's ED!!!

Anyways... they actually did get to fix Riza over the past few episodes, especially this one. Let's hope they keep up with that and also mind her figure, when she's in civilian clothes, since she's supposed to wear quite a few of those later on. (that actually reminded me of an omake about questions people send to Arakawa and one of them was: what's Hawkeye's measures... lmao some people are really pervy)
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Aug 2 2009, 07:53 PM) *
It IS weird. O.o But, back on the first series, she didn't have much of a spotlight as she does in the manga...
And she's the 3rd most popular character, according to the latest popularity pool. The highest position for a female character in FMA and just under Ed and Mustang XD (poor Mustang! Never seems to get past Edward, no matter how hard he tries!! lol Who knows?? Maybe after the 'revenge part' he might rise...) (Me, myself, I prefere Roy to Ed, but... if it came down between him and Riza... sorry, Mustang, but Riza wins XD) I don't think he would much hurt if he was surpassed by Riza... It's a lot more complicated because it's ED!!!

Anyways... they actually did get to fix Riza over the past few episodes, especially this one. Let's hope they keep up with that and also mind her figure, when she's in civilian clothes, since she's supposed to wear quite a few of those later on. (that actually reminded me of an omake about questions people send to Arakawa and one of them was: what's Hawkeye's measures... lmao some people are really pervy)


Yeah, for me Roy>Ed. As much as I love Ed, Roy still beats him! He's taller, for one... biggrin.gif And then Roy and Riza are about equal, but I suppose that Riza is my favorite by just the smallest margin.

As for the measurement question.... If Roy could write the preview episode for episode 19, I suppose he would be able to send Arakawa a question too! I'm thinking it has to be him! biggrin.gif
hand-made-city
QUOTE (The_Twilight_Trinity @ Aug 2 2009, 10:16 PM) *
As for the measurement question.... If Roy could write the preview episode for episode 19, I suppose he would be able to send Arakawa a question too! I'm thinking it has to be him! biggrin.gif


Lol! That would be hilarious!

But after reading the subs for the preview.. it doesn't sound like the preview narration was about Riza. More like Lust. Unless the subs were bad. I'm not sure. It is strange that the images and the preview narration never really match up. The narrator just goes off on a tangent, it seems!

Oh and also.. Roy>Ed! wink.gif And Riza..... I can't choose between Roy and Riza! They're both awesome!
thunderbreak
sorry post to wrong topic.would an admin/moderator help me to delete it sad.gif
i reedit my post
black~hayate
I'm sure, Bones did it on purpose.
The fans should think: Uh... there is the big eyed, not important Lieutenant...
And after episode 18 and 19: Wooow Hawkeye and her useless Colonel are pretty cool O___O
RizaXRoy
I agree with you guys that Riza's look now is better than the beginning, hope they'll keep this until the end!!

Roy or Riza? Yeah, they're both awesome and my favourites but I will choose Riza too..Sorry Roy!! XD

@black~hayate: Haha..it's funny-->*Big eyed, not important Lieutenant*. Yup, the fans would realize how cool they are after next 2 episodes...XD
Turdaewen
QUOTE (hand-made-city @ Aug 3 2009, 12:03 AM) *
But after reading the subs for the preview.. it doesn't sound like the preview narration was about Riza. More like Lust. Unless the subs were bad. I'm not sure. It is strange that the images and the preview narration never really match up. The narrator just goes off on a tangent, it seems!

No, it was about Riza... It said something like: "This woman is powerful and 'proud'. She cares deeply for her comrades. A beautiful person. (beautiful as in admirable)".

I mean, they might have made that on propose as to makes us wonder who they are talking about, but, at least for me, Lust is ANYTHING but caring. lol
So, if they were talking about her, I would have to say they're a little schizophrenic . O.o
black~hayate
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Aug 3 2009, 05:32 PM) *
QUOTE (hand-made-city @ Aug 3 2009, 12:03 AM) *
But after reading the subs for the preview.. it doesn't sound like the preview narration was about Riza. More like Lust. Unless the subs were bad. I'm not sure. It is strange that the images and the preview narration never really match up. The narrator just goes off on a tangent, it seems!

No, it was about Riza... It said something like: "This woman is powerful and 'proud'. She cares deeply for her comrades. A beautiful person. (beautiful as in admirable)".

I mean, they might have made that on propose as to makes us wonder who they are talking about, but, at least for me, Lust is ANYTHING but caring. lol
So, if they were talking about her, I would have to say they're a little schizophrenic . O.o


So the subs me and hand-made-city were watching are not very good.
I, too, wondered first... weren't the guys at the forum saying it was about Riza?
Then I got it, the lyrics were bad. They were also pretty fishy translated.
spectator
Turdaewen: Thanks for the translation. I like the narrator now. He's cool!
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Aug 3 2009, 09:32 AM) *
QUOTE (hand-made-city @ Aug 3 2009, 12:03 AM) *
But after reading the subs for the preview.. it doesn't sound like the preview narration was about Riza. More like Lust. Unless the subs were bad. I'm not sure. It is strange that the images and the preview narration never really match up. The narrator just goes off on a tangent, it seems!

No, it was about Riza... It said something like: "This woman is powerful and 'proud'. She cares deeply for her comrades. A beautiful person. (beautiful as in admirable)".

I mean, they might have made that on propose as to makes us wonder who they are talking about, but, at least for me, Lust is ANYTHING but caring. lol
So, if they were talking about her, I would have to say they're a little schizophrenic . O.o


Oh good! I'm glad you posted this. Since the preview is basically ALL Riza, I thought the narrator would be talking about her, however the subs I read really looked like they were talking about Lust. Must have been wrong. I'm pretty sure they said "She cares about beauty before friends" and that "She's full of self-interest and pride" and other non-Riza descriptions that made me think they were talking about Lust instead. Although for someone who hasn't read the manga, it would seem like they were trying to portray Riza as someone who is vain and self-serving. huh.gif Totally not our Riza!

By the way, in the sub that you saw, did it still say that "the Flame of her life has vanished in vain" or something to that effect? Could be a reference to how upset she is when she thinks Roy has been killed... Just a thought.
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Turdaewen
Actually, didn't see it in english subtitles! lol
I first saw it in Raw Japanese, and then I helped with the subtitles to Portuguese (my mother language), but, what I got from preview, was something like this:

"This is a strong, proud woman. She cares deeply for her comrades, a beautiful person. But, when facing an enemy who's not affected by weapons (Gluttony), the flame of her life begins to fade" (something of that effect). And the 'beautiful person' (utsukushii) its not only like physical beauty, but like 'admirable/lovely person'.

BUT, it sorta does gives away a tip about that thing you said, too, though I don't think it was meant to be about that scene directly. More like a 'hint'.

So, if you think about it, there's no way they're referring to Lust, cause, if that was so, the 'enemy who's not affected by weapons' would make no sense at all... XD
hand-made-city
Lol wtf kind of subs was I reading? I need to find somewhere else to see the episode. I wound up with the same translation as The_Twilight_Trinity... Ugh, I'm so mad. lol!

EDIT: Downloaded Eclipse's version... SO much better! I usually do stick to Eclipse for fansubs, but it wasn't available right away, so I checked out another fansub group... that was a mistake. Now the preview actually makes sense. I knew they couldn't have been saying things like Riza was vain and self-centered... what the heck was that all about?! sleep.gif
Turdaewen
You know, I found out something rather interesting: The origin of the name "Riza" ^^

Riza is a derivation of Thereza! O.O I had no idea! ^^
It's meaning is "Hunter/Warrior/Guardian" O.O
I just can't believe Arakawa choose that name by accident, even though she said most her characters names where picked out randomly. I mean, it's pretty clear she didn't choose either Roy or King Bradley's names randomly, so why shouldn't Riza be likewise??
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