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spectator
I agree with FMAobsessed. I bet that next time they appear, it will be another grand entrance of our favorite colonel.

Slightly off-topic. Upon request, I have posted the 'Prince of Dawn' fanfic on this forum. It's not complete but you can read it already. It's on the fanfic section. The title is 'Envoy of Love: The true prince'.
The_Twilight_Trinity
Yeah, I really hope that we see Roy and Riza again during chapter 98. Maybe we can get a Royai moment out of it even though it would probably be less in comparison to the intense Royai from chapters 94 and 95. My guess is that at best we'll probably get a scene where Roy worries about Riza's shoulder injury, but then again they're all sort of focused on other things, so maybe not even that. Still on the opposite side of the spectrum, maybe they will have a really touching and poignant moment in the aftermath of Roy's breakdown. Something like in amestris_star's signature (because I love that picture!). Even though they would never be so obvious... I can dream, can't I?

@spectator-- Oh good! Where on the forum is it? I'd love to read it!
Miss MP
[le sigh]. The waiting game for a new chapter begins. I am also eager for a glimpse of what they are doing / what they are after at this point. Will the dramatic aftermath of Roy's turn-around be addressed now, or later? Personally, I see the latter due to the general state of chaos.

What do you believe will happen? What will they say to one another? From the sound of it, Riza was willing to pay a high price to protect the man she swore to the first time she picked up her gun. Also to keep him on his path; she truly was willing to follow him into hell, and this moment references her reasons for being in the military [I was reminded of Riza's explanation to Winry about her decisions and goals], Riza saying she would follow him anywhere, and Roy's requests that she kill him if he swayed from his true path. Honestly, 94-95 touched on a little of everything and wrapped up what their relationship was.
DistantBlue
QUOTE (The_Twilight_Trinity @ Jul 15 2009, 06:37 PM) *
@DistantBlue--Huh. Wow. I suppose I knew because I saw the first anime before I read the manga so I can't exactly judge.... But I thought at least with the hair and the boobs.... And also Barry the Chopper like Kale pointed out. Well, what's important is that you know now. I bet that that that was one heck of a revelation for you!


HOW DID I NOT SEE THAT? D:

I know it was ch. 48 because that's when I went 'wut' about the whole thing. Maybe I skipped a few chapters and didn't see Lust v Roy or the Barry the Chopper part? XD

Holy moly, what was wrong with me? XD


QUOTE (Miss MP @ Jul 15 2009, 11:04 PM) *
[le sigh].
What do you believe will happen? What will they say to one another? From the sound of it, Riza was willing to pay a high price to protect the man she swore to the first time she picked up her gun. Also to keep him on his path; she truly was willing to follow him into hell, and this moment references her reasons for being in the military [I was reminded of Riza's explanation to Winry about her decisions and goals], Riza saying she would follow him anywhere, and Roy's requests that she kill him if he swayed from his true path. Honestly, 94-95 touched on a little of everything and wrapped up what their relationship was.


I wish 94-5 wrapped up their relationship COMPLETELY,lol, but Arakawa loves to make us suffer, but I was somewhat disturbed by Riza's expressions when she was like 'When we are alone....blah blah.....jk, LAWL" in Ch. 94. It made me had thoughts like, 'Maybe Royai was never to be a canon relationship, and that was Arakawa's hint to us.' and I would get depressed. And then I thought of other scenes in the series that wouldn't have occurred if they weren't to hint of deeper feelings between the two.

However, if we are not to have any more big Hawkeye/Mustang moments until the end, I think Hawkeye honestly is in love with Mustang, but Mustang only sees her as his closest friend and right-hand woman.

*is shot*

Oops, back on to your question. Well, I think Mustang is going to take what Hawkeye says as his first priority, and Hawkeye will continue her bad-arseness and (why the hell is a-s-s censored?) work as hard as before to keep him in line and safe. In fact, I almost think he's gonna be paranoid, with the remaining Homunculi and Wrath's men, that she's gonna get hurt/killed, after realizing how much he needs her.

Actually, I think the two of them are going to confront Wrath.

In that scene when Mustang tells Hawkeye to shoot him if he goes off the path and stuff, she says "I will follow you even into hell," and the panel that the bubble overlaps into is of the Amestrian flag with Wrath's two swords crossed over it, in the Fuhrer's office. I dunno, just a little thing I caught.


EDIT: Here it is.



Hm...actually, they aren't crossed over the flag and there are two pairs of them. XD Silly me. But I know I've seen that in his office.
Hagaren_4ever
Well, DistantBlue, the thing that confused me about how you didn't know, is that this isn't necessarily a bishonen show, Arakawa isn't the type to create androgynous characters. Even her gay people are quite obviously male. *coughGarfielcough*

However, you MUST have skipped chapters while reading the first time, that's the only explanation I can think of. Wow, you must've thought that Roy really WAS gay. What with all the hype about EdxRoy and RoyxRiza. Oh, you poor, poor dear. *pats head* So confused...
DistantBlue
@Hagaren_4ever - SO CONFUSED. DX

I dunno if I thought he was gay, because I MUST have skipped chapters (that's what I'm telling myself, anyway) and not seen the Roy vs Lust part. XD

Don't fear, everyone - I KNOW THAT ENVY IS A PALM TREE AND HAWKEYE IS A GIRL AND ED IS A BOY, and etc. It was only Hawkeye through my first reading that confused me....D':

And my skillz in observation are even better now. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
Alzea
DistantBlue, I just can see this, demotivational poster:
QUOTE
Observation skillz
She haz them
xD

spectator, fanfiction.net, post it there~! just a mere suggestion Since even more people will read it then~ (hah, well first thing I do when I turn on my computer is checking FFN for new royai fanfics/chapters of fanfics, but~I'm freak so~ xP)
amestris_star
QUOTE (The_Twilight_Trinity @ Jul 16 2009, 07:28 AM) *
Something like in amestris_star's signature (because I love that picture!). Even though they would never be so obvious... I can dream, can't I?


Glad you liked... it's from that awesome site that's in my sig <3 So much love!

QUOTE (DistantBlue @ Jul 16 2009, 03:08 PM) *
Actually, I think the two of them are going to confront Wrath.

In that scene when Mustang tells Hawkeye to shoot him if he goes off the path and stuff, she says "I will follow you even into hell," and the panel that the bubble overlaps into is of the Amestrian flag with Wrath's two swords crossed over it, in the Fuhrer's office. I dunno, just a little thing I caught.

EDIT: Here it is.



Hm...actually, they aren't crossed over the flag and there are two pairs of them. XD Silly me. But I know I've seen that in his office.


I think I actually... agree with that, considering Roy's goals and Wrath's position as the Fuhrer. Geez, I actually think they're the two that encountered most of the Homunculii: Gluttony, Lust, Envy, Pride, Wrath... Well, after Ed of course. And... that was a good observation, that shot of the Amestrian flag and Wrath's swords are from his tent-office at the Ishval camp... I might be wrong and someone may check out this, but it looks familiar to me.
Kirara
LOL I never thought Hawkeye was a guy. She looks nothing like a guy in the series ever. Maybe I could understand people mistaking Maria Ross for a guy but Hawkeye? tongue.gif
amestris_star
QUOTE (Kirara @ Jul 16 2009, 06:48 PM) *
LOL I never thought Hawkeye was a guy. She looks nothing like a guy in the series ever. Maybe I could understand people mistaking Maria Ross for a guy but Hawkeye? tongue.gif


Nah even Ross has quite feminine traits, Hiromu makes that distinction clear enough I suppose.
AndroidLust
QUOTE (DistantBlue @ Jul 16 2009, 07:08 AM) *
However, if we are not to have any more big Hawkeye/Mustang moments until the end, I think Hawkeye honestly is in love with Mustang, but Mustang only sees her as his closest friend and right-hand woman.

As much as it sucks to think that could be the state of their relationship, I agree that it is plausible (unless we get a big Royai moment that supercedes it) and that sucks. I`ve been thinking about the "We call each other by our first names, NOT." line recently. If it indeed was Arakawa`s way of saying "This pairing was never destined for canon-ness, so don`t get your hopes up." that would kind of reallyyyyy annoy me. 90+ chapters of Royai hints and teases, and then you decide to say "Not gonna happen, lol."? That would be a d*ck jerk move on her part.

So I`m trying not to hold out for a big Royai moment at the end. At this point, it would be nice just to hear Roy call Riza by her first name. :/
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (Kirara @ Jul 16 2009, 09:48 AM) *
Maybe I could understand people mistaking Maria Ross for a guy but Hawkeye? tongue.gif


Nope, to me it was pretty clear that Maria was a girl too. The uniforms do just that - make everyone look uniform - but even when the women were the uniform with pants, you can tell they're girls.
jacksparrow589
Okay, while I did laugh about confusion over Riza's gender, Maria Ross threw me at first. (My dad mixes it up all the time, so it's just constant amusement for me.) Like others, it helped that I saw the anime first.

So, on my walk today, even though it was bright and sunny, I just started thinking about the "it's going to rain" scene in FMA. The rest of my walk was mentally sorting through my favorite Royai moments to some really Royai-appropriate songs: "All About Us" by t.A.T.u., "Angel" by Sarah McLachlan, and "After the Fall" by Trans-Siberian Orchestra. (My mp3 player sorts songs alphabetically by title.) Anyway, "After the Fall" got me thinking about the scene DistantBlue brought up. You know, "I'll follow you..."

On the subject of that, though: I wonder if they'll confront Wrath. I don't think there's enough... energy(?) for them to go and help out against Father, even if Roy is a potental sacrifice (YIKES! Are they all in Central now?), but they seem so far away from being able to help against Wrath. Maybe Roy will pull an in-the-nick-of-time save.

As has been said, their relationship was really defined (most recently, anyway) by 94 and 95, so I wonder how much more we'll get of those sorts of moments. As long as we get to see what happens to them in the end, I'm okay.

EDIT: About all this one-sided love talk: Wow, I hope not! Maybe we've all been reading into it a little too much, but I'd really like to think that there's something there to substantiate all those hints. I mean, they've both freaked out over each other more than over anyone else, as we've been pointing out lately. We might not get a huge Royai scene at the end, but FMA just isn't a lovey-dovey manga, and, well, Roy and Riza wouldn't be a lovey-dovey couple. The task of re-shaping the way Amestris works might also get in the way at the end, (at least, if Roy's dream comes true) so I'm not expecting to hear wedding bells or anything, but I'm pretty sure there's something there on both sides.
Kirara
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Jul 16 2009, 10:10 AM) *
QUOTE (Kirara @ Jul 16 2009, 09:48 AM) *
Maybe I could understand people mistaking Maria Ross for a guy but Hawkeye? tongue.gif


Nope, to me it was pretty clear that Maria was a girl too. The uniforms do just that - make everyone look uniform - but even when the women were the uniform with pants, you can tell they're girls.


Oh no don't get me wrong I always personally realized Maria was a girl too (well her name is Maria) but I just think mistaking her for a guy seems a bit more plausible than mistaking Riza. But I agree it's been very easy to tell each characters' gender. Except for maybe Envy but we know why that is.
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (Kirara @ Jul 16 2009, 10:24 AM) *
Oh no don't get me wrong I always personally realized Maria was a girl too (well her name is Maria) but I just think mistaking her for a guy seems a bit more plausible than mistaking Riza. But I agree it's been very easy to tell each characters' gender. Except for maybe Envy but we know why that is.


Nah, I gotcha and yeah it would make sense to someone who read the manga first and didn't watch the first anime to mistake Maria for a guy. Even Riza during Ishval was pushing it somewhat (the earrings could still go either way) but it's still fairly easy to determine each character's gender.
Miss MP
QUOTE (AndroidLust @ Jul 16 2009, 11:02 AM) *
QUOTE (DistantBlue @ Jul 16 2009, 07:08 AM) *
However, if we are not to have any more big Hawkeye/Mustang moments until the end, I think Hawkeye honestly is in love with Mustang, but Mustang only sees her as his closest friend and right-hand woman.

As much as it sucks to think that could be the state of their relationship, I agree that it is plausible (unless we get a big Royai moment that supercedes it) and that sucks. I`ve been thinking about the "We call each other by our first names, NOT." line recently. If it indeed was Arakawa`s way of saying "This pairing was never destined for canon-ness, so don`t get your hopes up." that would kind of reallyyyyy annoy me. 90+ chapters of Royai hints and teases, and then you decide to say "Not gonna happen, lol."? That would be a d*ck jerk move on her part.

So I`m trying not to hold out for a big Royai moment at the end. At this point, it would be nice just to hear Roy call Riza by her first name. :/


Personally, I never saw it as a jab to the state of the relationship; why would Riza say that unless she knew /other people/ had assumptions about their relationship? Whatever she said had to be believable, and as we saw, Envy easily fell for it, implying they had /some/ obvious bond, or else it wouldn't have given Riza the edge due to speculation and doubt on Envy's part.
Turdaewen
QUOTE (Miss MP @ Jul 16 2009, 02:58 PM) *
QUOTE (AndroidLust @ Jul 16 2009, 11:02 AM) *
QUOTE (DistantBlue @ Jul 16 2009, 07:08 AM) *
However, if we are not to have any more big Hawkeye/Mustang moments until the end, I think Hawkeye honestly is in love with Mustang, but Mustang only sees her as his closest friend and right-hand woman.

As much as it sucks to think that could be the state of their relationship, I agree that it is plausible (unless we get a big Royai moment that supercedes it) and that sucks. I`ve been thinking about the "We call each other by our first names, NOT." line recently. If it indeed was Arakawa`s way of saying "This pairing was never destined for canon-ness, so don`t get your hopes up." that would kind of reallyyyyy annoy me. 90+ chapters of Royai hints and teases, and then you decide to say "Not gonna happen, lol."? That would be a d*ck jerk move on her part.

So I`m trying not to hold out for a big Royai moment at the end. At this point, it would be nice just to hear Roy call Riza by her first name. :/


Personally, I never saw it as a jab to the state of the relationship; why would Riza say that unless she knew /other people/ had assumptions about their relationship? Whatever she said had to be believable, and as we saw, Envy easily fell for it, implying they had /some/ obvious bond, or else it wouldn't have given Riza the edge due to speculation and doubt on Envy's part.

Me neither. Actually, I don't think is required of them actually being together in order to be 'cannon'. Only having feelings for eachother is sufficient. and I guess it's pretty established already that they do have feelings for eachother. And Riza saying that does give us something to think about as to how Riza herself sees her relationship with Roy, cause I don't think she would even go there if she never thought about him in that way.
I think Arakawa wanted to make quite the opposite with that scene: to play with Royai fans as to give them a heart attack! lol
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (AndroidLust @ Jul 16 2009, 11:02 AM) *
So I`m trying not to hold out for a big Royai moment at the end. At this point, it would be nice just to hear Roy call Riza by her first name. :/


I think that would be really sweet, actually.... I hope that happens. But in regards to a big Royai moment in the end... Meh. Probably won't happen, and I shouldn't hold out for one. Still though, there's a part of me that won't let go of the hope that we might get one. I just can't help it!

As for Riza taking back the "When we're alone..." line, I think we're reading too much into it. At most, to me, it only means that they have not had a relationship up to this point and that she knows that their bond is obvious to the others. I don't think that it means it would never happen, just that it hasn't yet.... Though even that in itself is sort of disappointing because I've always thought that they've had a thing going on behind the scenes...

*Awkward silence*

Aaanyway.... And as for one sided relationship.... It could be, but I honestly think that Roy's feelings for Riza run a little deeper than friendship. Riza's feelings for Roy.... To me there's no question that she's in love with him. I was positive about that after chapter 39.
Tombow
QUOTE (The_Twilight_Trinity @ Jul 16 2009, 03:26 PM) *
As for Riza taking back the "When we're alone..." line, I think we're reading too much into it. At most, to me, it only means that they have not had a relationship up to this point and that she knows that their bond is obvious to the others. I don't think that it means it would never happen, just that it hasn't yet.... Though even that in itself is sort of disappointing because I've always thought that they've had a thing going on behind the scenes...

All we know is that Riza said "No, I lied" to Envy. We don't really know the truth. tongue.gif Although, reading the raw this far, I can easily imagine them addressing each other as Colonel and Lieutenant even when they are alone. Then again, even if that is so, just because they address each other as Colonel and Lieutenant, that does not mean they don't have some deeper connection beyond these two professional ranks. So.. I don't quite understand why Riza saying to Envy "I lied." is such a big deal. In fact, I lean toward the side that I don't want them to be addressing each other as "Riza" and "Roy" when they are alone. With their professional positions as is, and knowing Japanese customs (yes, yes, I know they are in Amestris and not Japan.. but I'm kind of trying to guess how Arakawa-sensei would feel about it ^^) if they were addressing each other as "Riza" and "Roy" this kind of sounds too chummy in my opinion. (That's just my opinion. ^^)


QUOTE (The_Twilight_Trinity @ Jul 16 2009, 03:26 PM) *
Aaanyway.... And as for one sided relationship.... It could be, but I honestly think that Roy's feelings for Riza run a little deeper than friendship.

Again, reading the raw up to this far, I have no doubt that Roy has some deeper connection to Riza. Remember "they took my Queen" comment?? Or all the scenes Roy gets jealous when Barry came on to Riza? All the small things indicate to me that Riza means more than a colleague/subordinate/friend to Roy. Then again, that's just how I see it, but these days, I've been discovering that whatever others have been reading may or may not be the same FMA story I have been reading, and it may well be depending on what kind of scanlated FMAish story that person has been reading, and correcting his/her misunderstanding & misconceptions (if any) that might have been formed based on mistranslations and/or too much own editorializing by the translator to "make the story more interesting and fun" (if any) is getting too tiresome for me, so I'm just going to shut up. tongue.gif
Kale Mustang
I too don't really mind that they call each other Colonel/Lieutenant or just simply address one another without any personal nouns as most of their communication is by looking at one another. Using the professional titles helps keep things between them simple, though just by inflecting one's tone when saying 'Colonel' or 'Lieutenant' can convey several emotions.

I also tend to think that maybe the use of the professional title when talking to one another is almost like a term of endearment for them.
Tombow
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Jul 16 2009, 04:34 PM) *
I too don't really mind that they call each other Colonel/Lieutenant or just simply address one another without any personal nouns as most of their communication is by looking at one another. Using the professional titles helps keep things between them simple, though just by inflecting one's tone when saying 'Colonel' or 'Lieutenant' can convey several emotions.

I also tend to think that maybe the use of the professional title when talking to one another is almost like a term of endearment for them.

Well said. Second that notion. happy.gif
black~hayate
QUOTE (Tombow @ Jul 16 2009, 10:18 PM) *
QUOTE (The_Twilight_Trinity @ Jul 16 2009, 03:26 PM) *
As for Riza taking back the "When we're alone..." line, I think we're reading too much into it. At most, to me, it only means that they have not had a relationship up to this point and that she knows that their bond is obvious to the others. I don't think that it means it would never happen, just that it hasn't yet.... Though even that in itself is sort of disappointing because I've always thought that they've had a thing going on behind the scenes...

All we know is that Riza said "No, I lied" to Envy. We don't really know the truth. tongue.gif Although, reading the raw this far, I can easily imagine them addressing each other as Colonel and Lieutenant even when they are alone. Then again, even if that is so, just because they address each other as Colonel and Lieutenant, that does not mean they don't have some deeper connection beyond these two professional ranks. So.. I don't quite understand why Riza saying to Envy "I lied." is such a big deal. In fact, I lean toward the side that I don't want them to be addressing each other as "Riza" and "Roy" when they are alone. With their professional positions as is, and knowing Japanese customs (yes, yes, I know they are in Amestris and not Japan.. but I'm kind of trying to guess how Arakawa-sensei would feel about it ^^) if they were addressing each other as "Riza" and "Roy" this kind of sounds too chummy in my opinion. (That's just my opinion. ^^)


QUOTE (The_Twilight_Trinity @ Jul 16 2009, 03:26 PM) *
Aaanyway.... And as for one sided relationship.... It could be, but I honestly think that Roy's feelings for Riza run a little deeper than friendship.

Again, reading the raw up to this far, I have no doubt that Roy has some deeper connection to Riza. Remember "they took my Queen" comment?? Or all the scenes Roy gets jealous when Barry came on to Riza? All the small things indicate to me that Riza means more than a colleague/subordinate/friend to Roy. Then again, that's just how I see it, but these days, I've been discovering that whatever others have been reading may or may not be the same FMA story I have been reading, and it may very much depending on what kind of scanlated FMAish story that person has been reading, and correcting his/her misunderstanding & misconceptions that might have been formed based on mistranslations and too much own editorializing by the translator to "make the story more interesting and fun" (if any) is getting too tiresome for me, so I'm just going to shut up. tongue.gif


Yaaay, me and Tombow share opinions! Not only one!
I totally agree to the " I lied" part. It's even funnier when you say shocking things and add something like "just a joke" or something. After all, if she would admit that they are together, she wouldn't be professional (since she would put both of them in danger). And if she would think up something else to tell Envy to confuse him, it wouldn't be that shocking.

And about the one sided love:
Nonono, it's not one sided.
They don't need to be together, yes.
But I'm completely sure that Roy loves Riza and Riza loves Roy.
Why? Actually the same reasons as Tombow's.
Turdaewen
I don't think there's a doubt about Roy being in love with Riza as well... We have nearly as many 'hints' as we have about Riza liking him. The call scene, the 'queen' scene and the Elizabeth scene, that scene where she enters the office right after she's assigned to work under the Führer (he talks to her in a much more somewhat 'softer' tone than he normally does. It was like he was really sad), the whole Roy X Envy fight...
Too many to count.

The way they look at eachother and talk to eachother is enough for me to think they really have feelings for eachother.
Though it would be nice to see Roy call Riza by her first name, I guess it would only be nice in a very particular sort or scene. No 'I love you', though!! that would be really cheesy XD lol
rainbowcatgirl
I agree with thw notion that Roy loves Riza and Riza loves Roy, but I understand your speculation ! biggrin.gif
RoyxRizaFan
And when he got so frantic after his meeting with Wrath, not knowing where she was. Good stuff.

Thanks for the reasurement, too, becuase sometimes I think about about Riza's "JK LAWLS" moment with Envy, too.

QUOTE (Alzea @ Jul 15 2009, 09:36 AM) *
QUOTE (Kirara @ Jul 15 2009, 02:04 AM) *
Not sure where to post this: it's a little Roy video from the Gangan site (with the cover from the next Tank coming out in August). I figured you guys would especially like this.


http://gangan.square-enix.co.jp/onthenet/h..._the_movie.html



THIS!
Some things are just made of awesomeness~ (and it happens that most of these things are FMA-related xD)
Anyway, I love this cover and vid, thank you, Kirara for bringing it~!


YES! This made my day, and that cover is win. I WANT IT XDDDD

I hope they're in the next chapter. When I say "RoyAi" a lot of times my friends are like, "They can't have a moment EVERY chapter" but I don't necessarily mean a moment, I jsut like their characters in general and I enjoy scenes with either one of them, and I love when the two of them are working together and interacting, romantic or not.

QUOTE (spectator @ Jul 15 2009, 09:38 PM) *
@DistantBlue: Hahaha. A guy with hairclip. Now that you have mentioned, I rarely see any guy with long hair uses a hair clip.

I have no problem recognize Riza as a 'she'. Maybe it's because I watched the anime first. When I first saw Riza, I wonder what's her name. Then, every once a while, I heard Mustang and co. mention Lieutenant Hawkeye. At first, I thought it was someone else, possibly a guy. It impressed me so much that a woman at that time would rise in the military. I don't know. But besides Olivia, I think she had climbed quite high in rank. I remember Rebecca teased Riza what she did to rise so fast in the military (when she had been appointed as Bradley's secreatary). Oh! She's my idol! Even with the fact that I'm not interested in joining the army, she had inspired me a lot.


Yeah, Arakawa always makes sure you can tell the gender XD though now I feel bad for all the teasing...it's all good, DistantBlue lol

And about Riza inspiring you...I kind of have this dorky thing where she's my idol, too. Not that I want to join the military or that I have an obsession with guns. I admire her stregnth and independance, and how she's like that but still is so caring with friends and people she loves. I just love the way she holds herself, always looking out for the people she cares about and spending time with them, but still she's able to take care of herself and she doesn't complain about things, she just works with them.

Plus I want an apartment and a dog. And I wouldn't mind working for a hot boss, either.

...I honestly didn't intend that pun.

Kale Mustang
QUOTE (RoyxRizaFan @ Jul 16 2009, 03:33 PM) *
Plus I want an apartment and a dog. And I wouldn't mind working for a hot boss, either.

...I honestly didn't intend that pun.


Heh, I chuckled at that... smile.gif

After staring at the upcoming HQ figures (both the Trading Arts & Play Arts figures from Square-Enix), I wonder if Riza will have a couple of figures. I know there were a few of her during the first series, but I hope she gets at least a Play Arts figure...
Miss MP

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Again, reading the raw up to this far, I have no doubt that Roy has some deeper connection to Riza. Remember "they took my Queen" comment?? Or all the scenes Roy gets jealous when Barry came on to Riza? All the small things indicate to me that Riza means more than a colleague/subordinate/friend to Roy. Then again, that's just how I see it, but these days, I've been discovering that whatever others have been reading may or may not be the same FMA story I have been reading, and it may well be depending on what kind of scanlated FMAish story that person has been reading, and correcting his/her misunderstanding & misconceptions (if any) that might have been formed based on mistranslations and/or too much own editorializing by the translator to "make the story more interesting and fun" (if any) is getting too tiresome for me, so I'm just going to shut up. tongue.gif


The "Queen" comment was the most poignant [if not "the"] indication that Mustang's feelings run deeper than the comraderie with which they appear to operate; it's difficult to "let the hair down" not only because they are generally in a setting where it is required [the formalities, respectful titles, and conduct], but after being through a war, it's likely so ingrained that it's a difficult habit to shake.

Most people cannot read the RAW's, and the only place we can find them is on a website where the translator likely took personal liberties. It's hard to help that.

QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Jul 16 2009, 01:34 PM) *
I too don't really mind that they call each other Colonel/Lieutenant or just simply address one another without any personal nouns as most of their communication is by looking at one another. Using the professional titles helps keep things between them simple, though just by inflecting one's tone when saying 'Colonel' or 'Lieutenant' can convey several emotions.

I also tend to think that maybe the use of the professional title when talking to one another is almost like a term of endearment for them.


I agree; and again, this all has to do with habit and conduct; their lives are the military, and it they do not have people to go home to that perhaps would dilute the rigid behavior, so it makes sense that they use their titles [except, of course, for "Elizabeth". wink.gif]

QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Jul 16 2009, 02:25 PM) *
The way they look at eachother and talk to eachother is enough for me to think they really have feelings for eachother.
Though it would be nice to see Roy call Riza by her first name, I guess it would only be nice in a very particular sort or scene. No 'I love you', though!! that would be really cheesy XD lol


I love you's are the devil. I don't want to see any of that clichéd BS in this pairing; I like it because it is so far removed from a childlike relationship.

/imagines professional title used in kinky roleplay.
Ahhhh . . . . that would be interesting.
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Jul 16 2009, 03:25 PM) *
No 'I love you', though!! that would be really cheesy XD lol


.... I think that I would die of squee if this were to happen. Then I would come back to life and realize it was really out of character and wrong for them. But the squeeing would come first! biggrin.gif

Yeah, in my mind Roy is definitely in love with Riza. He just hasn't "confessed" it yet. I say this because there isn't really a direct equivalent to Riza's freaking out about Roy being "dead" in chapter 39 which, to me, was almost an outright confession of her feelings for him.... Though the scene where Riza comes to see him before she leaves, the "queen" line, and the whole sequence with chapters 94 and 95 come very close to that for Roy. Those scenes really show how much they mean to each other and the strength of their bond. Although they're somehow not quite as dramatic as Riza's breakdown (and by dramatic I mean dramatic romantic tension only.... because the scenes with Envy are really very dramatic).

*is done rambling*


black~hayate
aaah... an "I love you" is so not necessary between them both... I mean they know each other so well and spent so much time with each other... they don't need Iloveyous =D.
Kale Mustang
I guess my take on their relationship would be:

- feelings/attraction goes both ways
- never refer to each other by name (codenames are A-OK!) as it keeps their relationship simple
- silences have never been more comfortable, unless confronted by the bad guys
- professional titles may be used as a term of endearment, as well as maintains the professional relationship
- not afraid to show that they care for one another, but mostly these are looks conveyed by their eyes or are actions rather than admitting it with words
- seems to know when the other is in danger/hurt/sad
DistantBlue
QUOTE (Alzea @ Jul 16 2009, 07:49 AM) *
DistantBlue, I just can see this, demotivational poster:
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Observation skillz
She haz them
xD


ITS PERFECT LAWL.

I'm going to put that as my siggy. XD


QUOTE (Miss MP @ Jul 16 2009, 10:58 AM) *
Personally, I never saw it as a jab to the state of the relationship; why would Riza say that unless she knew /other people/ had assumptions about their relationship? Whatever she said had to be believable, and as we saw, Envy easily fell for it, implying they had /some/ obvious bond, or else it wouldn't have given Riza the edge due to speculation and doubt on Envy's part.


Oh, that's a good point. I never thought of that. Maybe that'll come up soon with one of the Mustang-tachi or something?


And to everyone else about the topic, I agree with a lot of you about it, with Roy being less subtle and not at the 'confessed' stage and such, and other interesting points you all brought up. People would complain if I quoted everything and reply to it - it'd be a long post! Anyway, right now I am on the borderline - I see both sides very plausible.
jacksparrow589
Kale--I agree with those conditions!

If it wasn't apparent with my earlier post, I'm of the opinion that their relationship is there, but it doesn't necessarily involve anything terribly raunchy (it could for all I know, but it's not necessary), nor does it involve any outright "I love you madly do you hear me madly--kiss me you fool!" moments. The eyes have it with these two. Well, the expressions in general, but mostly the eyes. And the little comments here and there. If the relationship isn't out there, it's for a reason, whether it's fraternization rules (common speculation--as yet unconfirmed? Let me know if you have the answer!), money issues (probably not), or just that it would be too easy to take advantage of (I think we have a winner). They're just not the type of couple to be making declarations of love in the "I love you" sense so much as, well, as that Beckett article titled "Actions Speak Louder Than Words". The words help, especially in the case of 94-95, but we all knew before that, right?
FMAobsessed
I too like Kale's take on their relationship. They are both independent. Also Roy never really orders Riza to do things. He usually ask her if she will follow him. To me that makes it seem like they are on a personal level.

I don't even want to think about Roy not loving Riza, or the manga ending with nothing being confirmed or denied between them. I prefer confirmed though. I think that it would be nice to see something like Roy thanking Riza for everything she has done to help him with his career and other things.
sidekick.kep37
Okay, I'm a bit late, I know I deserve the slap. :cough: Anyways, in regards to the drama cd. I just downright LAWLED at the awkward silence. And everyone's laugh just made me laughright in with them. Yah...

QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Jul 15 2009, 04:56 PM) *
Everyone: NO WAI?! HAWKEYE'S A GIRL?! ...I thought Hawkeye was like a guy - but with boobs...?

^ That quote was pure win, right there. I laughed at the for an insanely long time. @ Distant Blue Because what I'm about to say crawls into this part of my post, your "observation skillz" are also win. :winkwink: But seriously speaking, the panel you put up with the "I'll follow you into hell" line with the Amestrian flag and the 2 swords, is pretty sharp. I would have never caught that, even if I were looking into the "who's gonna battle pride?" thing.

Back on topic... Roy loving Riza for me is definitely there. Although often it seems that Riza's the one who makes it "known", the way I see it, Roy has deeeeeeeep feelings for Riza. That's all I have to say. XP. If the two were to have their little moment in the end as we all hope for, like I said a while back "nothing super cheesy", because that would be uncool, and like someone said "totally out of character". I wonder how many times we've had this discussion about "the end plus Royai and cheesy endings"

OT: is it me or did the font size just get a lot smaller? I really have to squint now... (Yes, I'm wearing glasses)
Miss MP
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Jul 16 2009, 05:53 PM) *
If the relationship isn't out there, it's for a reason, whether it's fraternization rules (common speculation--as yet unconfirmed? Let me know if you have the answer!), money issues (probably not), or just that it would be too easy to take advantage of (I think we have a winner). They're just not the type of couple to be making declarations of love in the "I love you" sense so much as, well, as that Beckett article titled "Actions Speak Louder Than Words". The words help, especially in the case of 94-95, but we all knew before that, right?


Fraternization rules are incredibly likely, because in a setting like the military, that could be quite easily distracting; it's a disciplined atmosphere, cordial and respectful, and any show of romantic affection can easily cause wandering eyes between the two involved, or draw attention from others. Not that there isn't gossip and rumor-making, but the more of those types of relationships around, the more distracting it is to EVERYONE. Also, if it were "out there", EVERYONE would be able to take advantage of it, villians and avengers alike, people or not. [Not that I believe it matters, because Royai is obvious enough, or Bradley would not have ironically taken his "Queen", the person always at his side, and put her as far away as possible and arguably in the MOST dangerous position.] If Riza had not been as close as she had been to Roy, it wouldn't have been necessary to place her in the most dangerous position; she would have shipped to another base like the rest of Roy's subordinates.

Yes, Roy has always taken Riza's opinion seriously, and that is why I believe it is more than comraderie on his part. He has the ability to order her to do what he wants but in serious decisions, never forces her to watch his back, be at his side, or do the things she does.

And I do think their relationship is slightly more relaxed outside of the military [by outside, I mean, on their days off, or alone with one another]. Heavy implications that they've met / gone out when off-duty [rare as that is].
Turdaewen
The difference between Riza being send to another HQ and being under the Führer is rather simple, actually: the subordinates where taken from Mustang so he'll have no room to maneuver. But, in order for him to obey the upper ranks, they took out a hostage.
So, Riza wasn't JUST taken from Mustang's ranks, she was taken as a hostage. Something the other subordinates weren't. That's also why was so important to leave her far from Mustang, but not out of his sight. He should be able to SEE her, but not talk to her.
Which is quite cruel, actually.
And that makes a HUGE difference between her and the other subordinates: they wouldn't take her as a hostage is she wasn't someone of deep importance to Mustang. Probably the most important person for him.
Bradley realized he could use that to his advantage when he saw Mustang was so concerned about Riza in the Lust fight (and it just down on me that this is probably the stronger reason why they ought not to remove Riza from that scene, cause that exact scene is where Bradley learns that Riza is Roy' s weak point, Bradley being a LOT more observant of 'human behavior/feelings' than all the other homunculi). That was actually a huge 'tip' Arakawa gave of the future chapters back then.
spectator
@Turdaewen: Although Riza was taken hostage, it does not seem to make much difference since Riza was still able to help Roy to overthrow Bradley. However, I guess that Bradley had expected that Roy and co. will revolt against him. That means that he had great confidence that he could suppress the surge.
FMAobsessed
@Turdaewen Excellent points. That was what I had been thinking too.

Which brings me back to the debate of whether or not Riza will be in episode 19. I think that she is crucial during the fight. She was the reason why Roy got up and went after Lust. He knew that Lust would be going after her and Al, so that was why he burned himself and Havoc. Well, it was also to save their lives too. It was also after the fight that Wrath sees their concern for each other, and decides to take Riza hostage.

I know that Ed is the main character of the series. But in the manga, he isn't in every chapter. And other characters learn things before him. And other characters are on their own journey of redemption. If Brotherhood wants to follow the manga, I believe Roy has a big part in the manga. He is trying to overthrow the country, and rise to the top. Along the way, Riza has been with him the whole entire time. If Riza isn't in episode 19, to me that just makes it seem like why have her their in the first place.

Also episode 19 is when Al gives his speech about not wanting to see people he cares about die. Especially if he can protect them. If they take that out I will be disappointed. Because in the manga, Al isn't Ed's mascot or cheerleader. He is independent and is willing to make sacrifices too.
Miss MP
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Jul 17 2009, 06:56 AM) *
The difference between Riza being send to another HQ and being under the Führer is rather simple, actually: the subordinates where taken from Mustang so he'll have no room to maneuver. But, in order for him to obey the upper ranks, they took out a hostage.
So, Riza wasn't JUST taken from Mustang's ranks, she was taken as a hostage. Something the other subordinates weren't. That's also why was so important to leave her far from Mustang, but not out of his sight. He should be able to SEE her, but not talk to her.
Which is quite cruel, actually.


That's what I mean; but if Roy and Riza were not as close as they were, I doubt Bradley would have had to resort to taking her hostage.
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (Miss MP @ Jul 17 2009, 10:47 AM) *
That's what I mean; but if Roy and Riza were not as close as they were, I doubt Bradley would have had to resort to taking her hostage.


Bradley might still have even if he wasn't too sure about their relationship. Since Riza is not only Roy's subordinate, but also his aide so it's clear that she's the one who keeps him in line.

Bradley could've also deduced that without her, Roy could never really get much done - thus by immobilizing him by simply swamping him with paperwork.

Stupidly simple, but being caught behind all that? Yeah...

Bear in mind though, this is my comical take on the 'removal of the Queen' so don't take it too seriously.
The_Twilight_Trinity
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Jul 17 2009, 12:16 PM) *
Bradley could've also deduced that without her, Roy could never really get much done - thus by immobilizing him by simply swamping him with paperwork.


That's hysterical! I can just see Roy being smothered by TEH PAPERWORKZ OF DEATH ZOMGZOMG!!!!!!!
while Wrath is laughing his head off and as Riza shakes her head disapprovingly.
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (The_Twilight_Trinity @ Jul 17 2009, 11:59 AM) *
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Jul 17 2009, 12:16 PM) *
Bradley could've also deduced that without her, Roy could never really get much done - thus by immobilizing him by simply swamping him with paperwork.


That's hysterical! I can just see Roy being smothered by TEH PAPERWORKZ OF DEATH ZOMGZOMG!!!!!!!
while Wrath is laughing his head off and as Riza shakes her head disapprovingly.


Roy: *stares at all of the paperwork in his office and wibbles*

Wrath/Bradley: Mwhahahaha! Now you'll never be able to defeat me or become Fuhrer! I shall continue to bury you under all of this dreaded 'PAPERWORKS OF DOOMZ!!!!111'

Riza: *facepalm*
RoyxRizaFan
That is possibly the most amazing theory I have ever heard XD and its obviously cannon lmao Arakawa needs to make an omake of this...
jacksparrow589
Miss MP--I agree, fraternization rules are likely, there's just never been any mention of them. The way you put that, though, (and just the way life works in general), I'd bet they exist. And yeah, their relationship is there if someone's looking for it, but to look at them purely objectively in the military, I don't think people would read into it too much. Thanks for your explanations!

I've always wondered about Roy and paperwork. He seems lazy sometimes, sure, but he's not stupid. You'd think he'd want to stay in the military's good graces to rise up in the ranks. I mean, nobody wants to do tons and tons of paperwork, and I'm sure Riza really does have to straighten everyone out once and a while, but the key to plotting a mutiny is making it seem like you're not!

But the image of Bradley carting in paperwork just to spite Roy is entirely too amusing. (And being, well, me, I have to quote PotC "to" Bradley: "You are, without doubt, the worst villain I've ever heard of.")

I now demand an omake of the paperwork being piled on, Roy bursting into tears and/or dying of shock, Bradley being all "My master plan worked!" and Riza just shaking her head and going, "Why do I even bother?"
amestris_star
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Jul 17 2009, 09:12 PM) *
Roy: *stares at all of the paperwork in his office and wibbles*

Wrath/Bradley: Mwhahahaha! Now you'll never be able to defeat me or become Fuhrer! I shall continue to bury you under all of this dreaded 'PAPERWORKS OF DOOMZ!!!!111'

Riza: *facepalm*


Oh God laugh.gif
We'll need to write an extended version of this XDD
SneakyRuler
I thing Roy treats all his closest subordinates differently than is usual in the military. And Riza, as his aide, has a on-going right to voice her opinion on any matter (when in safe enviroment)
I've just found a wonderful example of this: After being confronted by Bradley, Roy rushes to meet Hawkeye but finds Armstrong instead. When Riza reappears, she starts to tell directly what she thinks but then she notices Armstrong and her behavior completely changes.
(I just had to post it, I love Roy's expresson here)
Turdaewen
QUOTE (spectator @ Jul 17 2009, 11:28 AM) *
@Turdaewen: Although Riza was taken hostage, it does not seem to make much difference since Riza was still able to help Roy to overthrow Bradley. However, I guess that Bradley had expected that Roy and co. will revolt against him. That means that he had great confidence that he could suppress the surge.

Yeah, it didn't, did it?? heheheh That only makes more than an example for me as to how the homunculi really underestimate humans. They always believe they'll be predictable from what they have dealt to before and end up having a hard time handling Mustang and his subordinates in this sense, since they're not your regulars 'meddlers'.
rainbowcatgirl
HAHA GO MUSTANG! biggrin.gif
RizaXRoy
You all just made good and plausible explanation about Roy loves Riza, Riza loves Roy and also Bradley takes Riza as a hostage!! biggrin.gif

I do love Roy's worried expression when he is afraid that Riza would become 'another Hughes' (Chapter 37) and also the expression when Roy knows that Riza becomes the Fuhrer's aide (Chapter 52). Roy is extremely worried, doesn't he? Can't wait to see their priceless expressions in FMA:B !! Honestly, I really want to watch episode 19 right now....4 weeks just too long..XD

I wonder if Royai is going to be in the next manga chapter or still focus on another characters. I think it's time to show them, hope there are at least some Royai pages tongue.gif

ROYAI ROCKS!
black~hayate
QUOTE (RizaXRoy @ Jul 18 2009, 05:26 PM) *
I wonder if Royai is going to be in the next manga chapter or still focus on another characters. I think it's time to show them, hope there are at least some Royai pages tongue.gif


That would be an early birthday present for me, since I have mine in the end of august.
Aww that would be really a great present <3 Royai in the next chapter... *drools*
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