OMG! I finally manage to watch episode 15 yesterday night and really! They cut that jealous Roy scene.

I wonder if Bones will compensate us with extra royai in the Lust vs. Roy part. If they are, then I don't mind they cut it. But still, it's very rare that you can actually see a jealous Roy. Since, there might be a jealous Roy in Wii game. I want to know the story so badly. Gyahhh!!!!

People keep saying that! Has it been released that the Prince has his eye out on Riza, or are people just thinking wishfully? Because, I've also heard theories that the Prince put Roy in jail because he was trying to win the heart of Riza, but where is it said that he likes her in the first place? Please answer.

@Hagaren_4ever: I am not so sure. But I did go to the game website to check it out. Then I clicked on the character tab. There are a few picutres of Riza. I think I clicked the first one. She mentioned something like a party. My guess is that the prince invites her to the party. It's just my guess. Gosh! If it is a triangle love, then it's going to be the hottest Royai ever. Finally! Something what we hardcore Royai fans want.

And I want to see Riza in a nice evening dress. She's going to be so gorgeous. Anyway, maybe I'm thinking too much. Because, a really explicit Royai has never appeared before, not in the manga, nor the anime.

I just found out that Bones is the same company that made the movie.... Does that mean that they anti Royai?? Don't tell me for the new series too...

Bones isn't a anti Royai company (they CAN"T be ), they just don't have so much money to make a anime with 200 episodes or something like this, because that, they are putting in the FMA:B all the really important scenes in the manga and the scenes which will have some impact in the history later.
They are not interest in make a Royai anime, they just want to make a FMA anime where the fans can watch and say "whoa! that's really good anime! It is very like the manga!"

Of course i'm disapointed because of the "cut-scenes thing", I love that Barry/Jealous scene but I can't say I expect and "took my cards" in the 100% adaption of the manga, they simply can't do this.
But it's cool to see Ling and all the others Xingenese [?] persons animated, I think this FMA:B is on play just for we can see the exclusive manga characters "alive" and a best history than the other anime. (with their Royai moments in like "bonus", of course)
I'm not "angry" with the anime, we'll have some royai scenes, I have shure of this, because some royai scenes are essencial for the history of fma, so guys, don't spend your forces with this cut Barry scene, we'll be reward.

Ah, and about the game, I'm veeeeery anxious and happy with the plt, I hope they make a English version soon *---*
It's like a Royai fanfic, but oficial!!! *---* (but one more time, i can't took all my cards in this, probaly they will focus a lot more on Ed and that girl (oh, some Winry jealous too?)

Bones is just an animation & production company.

I mean for the first series, they did what they did because they were forced to make up their own story as the manga was not too terribly far along. They had to make the movie to tie up the loose ends that resulted from the first series.

Now that the manga is sufficiently far along, they don't have to worry about making up new things (save for Isaac - who was created at Arakawa-sensei's request, I believe) but rather, they need to make the show appeal to the main demographic and if that means cutting out the subtle romantic tension or re-organizing the plot in favor of more action, then they will. FMA is first and foremost, a shounen story so romance will always come at the expense of action. And since the title is 'Fullmetal' not 'Flame' well, obviously Ed gets more time than Roy.

@Hey - Thank you for the tramslaton! It's almost correct. ^^ Except, Riza is hand-delivering Fuhrer's order in person because if she just mail it some people may not take it seriously enough and shark. Nonetheless, nice work!! ^^ If you can, please help out RizaXRoy, and do more translations.



Also, from DistantBlue's post:

Next month's GanGan mag has a preview comic of FMA Wii "Prince of Dawn" game by Arakawa-sensei (I think). I'm hoping to get more info on story No 3., the one with Roy in the military court.


@Hagaren_4ever - Roy is NOT actually becoming jealous (at least on the surface.) But he is framed for murder and the suggested motive brought up by the accuser is that he became jealous... at least that is the educated guess by piecing together the scanned Japanese anime magazine articles on this game. I'll try to post more translations for these scanned articles on "FMA Wii game "Prince of Dawn" thread, when/if I get time after taking care of off-topic postings and such on the board.


Speaking of...guys, I moved some posts here on FMA Wii game "Prince of Dawn" discussions that are NOT directly related to the Roy, Riza, Royai part of the story on that game to FMA Wii game "Prince of Dawn" discussion thread.
Please post general discussions on the game on that thread, and posts that are relating to that game here ONLY if your comment is directly related to Roy, Riza, or Royai.

OT:
Welcome, zagu, and all new people!!

Ah..... I just got back from a trip today, and I found no Royai-goodness waiting for me. Sad day! I know this was discussed awhile back, but I'm a little bit distressed about the absence of Riza in the episode summaries, too. Has anyone found out if those are 100% reliable? I really don't want the Lust scene to be ruined. That would be terrible. If Riza isn't there, HEADS WILL ROLL!!!!

At least it sounds like there may be Royai in the upcoming game. That's some consolation.

Though it seems that there is the possibility that Bones would cut out the Royai exchange, I think we should just wait to see what news will be released regarding the upcoming episodes.

Also, if Bones were to completely cut out those scenes, a lot of the plot points later on in the manga wouldn't make sense so I doubt they'd cut them out.

I wish I could be that patient.... Well, I suppose I have to be. It just sucks that there's even a chance that the scene might be altered when it's one of the scenes I'm most looking forward to seeing animated. *sighs* Oh well.... Just four more weeks.....

Oh believe me, I'm one of the most impatient people you'll ever meet when it comes to things I'm looking forward too but at the same time, there's no use in getting all worked up over something that could potentially be nothing.

I am gone for a few days, and I have a lot to read through. You guys move fast that is for sure.

I have not watched episode 15 yet, but no Roy jealous moment? What that is uncool.

Now I am paniced that Bones is going to snub us Royai fans and take too much out. Riza better be in episode 19. She is way too crucial to take out. Hopefully Bones does something to show how important they are to each other, like Arakawa has done in the manga. At least we have wonderful manga moments.

Ed and Winry seem to have their moments perfectly intact. Why can't Roy and Riza.

If Bones screws up episode 19, we need to organize a plan of attack on Bones.

Dig out the 'Bones' just like Hayate does? Haha! I like that!

Anyway, if there is no Riza in Roy vs. Lust or there is no explicit royai in the game, I'm going to write one for my fanfiction. That's for sure! Really! Writing could ease all the tension I had with all the little Royai scene I could get.

We also have to remember that, by the time Bones made FMA 1 there were NO major Royai scenes on the manga, yet. They all came later, so there's no way they could put something in there that wasn't even in the manga. (at that point, of course)
So Bones is not 'anti-royai', actually. That 'special' about FMA: Brotherhood that went on the japanese TV one week before the release of the series, the host actually mentioned things about Royai! Actually, I have a feeling that, in Japan the whole 'Is Royai cannon' is not even a issue, but more of a consensus. (I can't be sure, though)

I figure people are angry themselves with something that probably won't even happen.
And if it does, we'll have enough reasons and time to complain all we want. I just don't like suffer in advance.

I mean, the fact that they didn't put such a small scene as the Roy jealous scene is something completely different than changing something as big as the Roy X Lust scene. To even think "one is out, therefore the other is also out" is WAY out of proportion. As I said before, not even ONE of the scenes Bones removed so far had any real impact to the story itself. And that Roy X Lust scene (including Riza) has loads of repercussions throughout the manga. So I wouldn't worry as much.

@Turdaewen- Your post made me feel a little bit better about the whole Roy vs. Lust scene because you're right-- The Barry scene is incredibly minor compared to the Royai scene that should take place in episode 19, so it shouldn't be something that they would cut. But still, knowing that they have cut stuff and changed things around in past episodes (Like in the episodes with Greed) and that there is no mention of Riza in the episode summaries, is still (to me anyway, because I worry too much) a cause for concern. But at this point, I'm pretty sure I'm probably worrying over nothing, like you said.

About the little hint of Royai. I like the part where Roy disguised himself as Havoc in the first anime. It's so cute that Riza became so worked up when she saw Roy with the nurse. Roy then asked her "what are you angry about?". Riza replied stoically "I'm not angry."

oh, the finale was my favorite. "The world is not perfect, that's why it is (so damn) beautiful" I like that quote. I even used that for my english class. It turned out that my teacher liked the quote.

I think the first anime is quite good if it is not followed by the movie (actually it's just the hot air balloon that I don't like).

Well, they didn't mention Al, either, and we all know he's also key to the whole scene, just as well as Barry, and it wouldn't make any sense to show Barry NOW, at episode 15, if they weren't to make him die on that Roy X Lust scene...

So everything indicates they either didn't mention in the summary just because, or that they're making episodes 19 and 20 about it, which would be quite possible, as well... Even because, they haven't mentioned Barry on the summary of episode 15 either, but that didn't meant he wasn't there.

@spectator: Really?!! Please go ahead!! I would like to read them especially the PrinceXRizaXRoy fanfiction!! Please do inform me if anyone has planned to write fanfic on the game. Btw, we also got lot of Riza-different-dressings in the manga if compared to first anime, I can't wait to see these in Brotherhood!!

We just have to wait and see how Bones will do on upcoming episodes. SUch a long week~ I personally think FMA game Dream carnival Royai ending Barry-Riza-Roy scene is MUCH better than the Brotherhood, at least we are able to see a jealousy Roy

@RizaXRoy: I will. Maybe after I finish my summer classes. Since I don't know what's the story actually like, I might be concentrating on Royai and the Prince with very little focus on the other characters. I feel that it is much easier to write it that way.

I have a question: where is the Prince from and what's his name?

*bursts out laughing at Riza's being cut out and Roy having to flirt with Havoc* Whoever came up with that, you made my day that much better! "Oh, Jaqueline..."

Turdaewen--Thanks for bringing some sense into the chaos, here. I think we're a high-strung bunch who also secretly love to freak out over anything and everything Royai. I'll admit it--it's fun!

Really, though, your posts are very logical and have brought me peace of mind over whether or not Riza's going to be in Roy vs. Lust. I won't be happy if she isn't, but odds are that she will be, if I'm reading all this correctly.

Oh God, this is what I get for not being here for a couple days. I was... disappointed in ep 15 having no jealous-Roy, but everything else was pretty good, I guess. In fact, I was so looking forward to that particular scene I actually went out of my way and watched the raw. Yes, the raw- and I almost never go out for the raw in anything (don't ask why. It's how I roll).

Oh God, I hope/think we're all just being paranoid and need to chill for a sec like Turdaewen. Yeah. Even though I was pretty much pulling out my hair while reading the ten pages I've missed. Still, I can't say I'm not freaking out and not leaning toward the "Bones-must-be-anti-royai" side even though Kale and others have carefully pointed out that they were not. But... still. I need to take a few deep breaths and read the FMA manga volumes that are stacked to my immediate right.

I`m excited to see the new outfits too. However, the one thing that`s always bothered me about FMA is the somewhat lack of creative fashion. Some designs are great, don`t get me wrong. Winry gets cute outfits sometimes. And I love how the military uniforms are regal but conventional at the same time. But in a world that`s supposed to be post-Idustrial Revolution but before WWII(?) (I can never remember the exact era FMA takes place in) I feel that Arakawa could have a lot of fun designing outfits. I`m not saying they`d have to adhere to the time period, but it would be nice to see Riza in an pretty shapeless dropwaist instead a plain black skirt and waist jacket. Though I do remember Arakawa saying she thinks women should be curvy (ergo, the pencil skirts) and I have a feeling fashion design is not really her thing. Though I did always love this picture. And Bones can be creative when designing posters, calenders, ect.

That dress she wears in the game (it appears to be a cheongsam) can be somewhat compared to the Paul Poiret orientalism that was popular during the Edwardian era. Though I`m not sure if she`s wearing that specific style for a reason or it`s just what they decided to put on her for a formal event or something.
Okay, fashion rant over. :3


Ahh, such a good scene. :3 Roy was so upset! What a fun game, if only i understood a bit of Japanese.

Well, I'm a huge fan of Riza's ensemble that she wore from the Barry encounter...the height of the slit of her skirt is hot as well as functional (horray for more hidden guns on Riza!).

Why do I have the suspiscion that Roy wouldn't just be thinking about the hidden guns...

He probably would think about the hidden guns - but would probably think of it as a game...and try to find them all.

I can see Roy at this situation. huishusihs

@spectator: I'm looking forward to your fanfic!! It's ok to write anything you want since this is fanfic.. The Prince's name is Claudio Rico Aerugan and for more details, you can go to Wii FMA Game 'Prince of Dawn' Discussion thread. It seems like there would be a huge Royai in the game..wuahaha

Undeniably, I want to see a SHY Riza again in this new game just like this

@AndroidLust: Haha, ya..you're right about a bit lack of creative fashion! It's nice to see Riza in purple cheongsam in the new game. I wonder why wearing cheongsam at the ball. Regarding to the outfits in the anime and the manga, first anime got only few different outfits-Riza : Military uniform, pajamas, casual-Riza(5 seconds only during the end with Roy ) and formal suit with a cap.
In the manga:
1) Military uniform
2) Military uniform with skirt (But FMA:B showed pant instead of skirt)
2) The outfit during Riza-Barry meeting ( Wow~ that skirt is so hot like Kale said...I think almost can see her underwear as well *imagine a drooling Roy* )
3) Plain black shirt (chapter 38 - Riza Vs Gluttony, Riza/Roy Vs Lust)
4) Half naked Riza -the back only !! (chapter 57)
5) The outfit during Ed visits Riza
6) The outfit during Riza and Roy at her father's cemetery (chapter 60)
7) The outfit during Riza-Rebecca meeting, quite nice suit! (Chapter 83)
8) The outfit when Riza Vs Envy (Plain black shirt+ jacket)
But no pajamas-Riza in the manga
Hope can the rest of them in Brotherhood!!

Hmmm...I still desperatelystand by what I say about BONES wanting a big impact for new fans when the episode with Roy v Lust or the call comes out.

I love the outfit she wore in the Barry scene and when she met Rebecca! And also at the funeral. She really should be shown wearing those kinds of things more often. Although I do really like her current outfit (especially since her hair's down LOL).

@Turdaewen Thanks for trying to calm us rabid Royai fans. One question, Where did you watch that special about FMA Brotherhood? The one where the announcer talks about Roy and Riza? Do you think you could do a quick summary of what was said about Roy and Riza? If not that is ok. But thanks!

Yeah.... I was a bit nuts about it when I found out, but after hearing logical reasoning and sleeping on it, I feel a lot better.



Yeah... I'm really curious about that, too. It'd be great if you could post it! No pressure, though!

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@The_Twilight_Trinity - I'm assuming you are asking this to Turdaewen and you are referring to the show that was mentioned on Turdaewen's post (quoted below,) right? ^^



About that show... that was a promo show that was aired about a week or so before the start of the series, I think, and the show was hosted by Japanese comedians who were FMA fans themselves, if I recall correctly. And, yeah, if anyone has the transcript or summary of that show, please post... preferably on FMA:Brotherhood News watch thread, and you can post the info on the part of the show that is related to Royai on this thread, also.

Firstly, welcome new members~!!

As for Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, I've been thoroughly disappointed by the series for several reasons other than a lack of Royai [which to be honest, is low priority unless integrated firmly and directly into the main plotline]; my harshest criticism is it is not only that they rush and cut out filler, they cut out parts that help viewers understand the story, and also, they pick and choose and rearrange scenes from four or five different chapters to cram into one episode. The disarray in order isn't helpful to those who haven't read the manga, and /or haven't even seen the first Fullmetall Alchemist anime.

Anyway, the game looks fantastic; someone mentioned it was for the Wii? Now I want to buy it.

@Tombow--Yeah, that's what I was asking about! Sorry I didn't make it more clear....

@Miss MP--I agree with you somewhat that the anime is rushing too much, but I also believe that they'll slow it down now that they've passed all of the repeat events from the first series. It's too soon to tell yet if they're actually going to slow down, but I see no reason for them not to. They haven't ruined it for me yet, though my patience is beginning to run low.... I hope Bones redeems itself by making episode 19 amazing!

*crosses fingers*

Actually, I don't have the transcript... I just watched it and I can't quite remember what exactly they said about Roy and Riza, especially because I'm not that fluent in Japanese, so, many times, I just 'implied' what they were saying... lol

But I do remember they mentioning about Roy and Riza's relationship.


And about the outfits... well... I don't see Arakawa as a very enthusiast in fashion design... lol and I like the fact that the clothes from FMA look very realistic. It really looks like they're living in the late 30s (aside from some 'modern' details). I just love Riza's outfits throughout the manga and they reflect her style very clearly. She's a very 'classic' girl.

And the showed the Military uniform with skirt on Brotherhood, too, just not on the Rizenbool scene, but Riza was wearing it at Hughes' funeral.

I think they will show them all in Brotherhood (God, I hope so!! XD Especially the one when she meets with Rebecca! *.*)

^And that's only one of the things that shows how awesome Riza is.

I've always liked Roy's style. Very classy and simple.

...Never knew how hard it was to find a white scarf like his until this past winter... C'mon, I just want to be able to cosplay as civilian Roy in real life one day (as it works as regular clothes) but stores aren't making it easy and I can't knit.

*stares* Really? About the scarf I mean... I thought a regular male white scarf wasn't that difficult to obtain after all. You know... I think I should start getting Riza's civilian/casual outfits too... doing cosplay without anyone gawking back at you would be awesome >D

Apparently none of the regular department stores were selling plain white ones (heck even plain black is nearly impossible to find) like that or the boutique stores had them but were selling them at a ridiculously inflated price because it was cashmere.

Meh. Granted though, I should probably buy stuff like that before the season.

I must admit though, I liked the suit he wore in episodes 50-51 in the first series - the fedora made the suit even cooler.

OMG!!! I see white and black scarves all the time here in Brazil... 10 bucks for a wool one. I even got a black one.

Anyways... I like all Roy outfits as well. It's very stylish for a man to wear a suit with thin ties and leather arm stripes XD So... 20s *.*
People used to be very stylish in the early 20th century! Sometimes I envy them... lol

That's one of the things I love FMA for... the clothes.
And Roy's style is one of the many things that makes me so much in love with him

And Kale, you really need to get that scarf

Yes ma'am, I shall do my best.

I've always liked how all of Mustang's group dresses rather well in their civilian attire - it does remind me of the 20's with the color combos while Ed and Winry's styles seem to be grounded in a more modern era.

It's a nice contrast.

I've always loved Roy and Riza's civilian clothing too! They both dress pretty well... Which is fitting for two people who might one day run a country.... *hopes*



Yeah.... I'm pretty sure no one in the 20's dressed like Winry does. Even with the cultural revolution with the flappers and the like, the clothes Winry dresses in would still be socially unacceptable. Now though, she might fit right in. I don't think Ed fits in with any time period that we've yet seen... Maybe one day we'll all walk around wearing red coats. He could be a trend starter. *shrugs* Just sayin'.

Not so much as the red coat, but rather the black shirts and the black pants he wears. Also, the shirt and pants he wore in this scene: http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/30/35/ would fit in today as well.

Would Roy and Riza dress like this in the modern world



hahaha. I love that picture, it fits with them to parody that movie.

Ha ha! rzerox21xx, that's awesome! ...And probably true.

Hey-- I have a question not so related with our ongoing wardrobe topic.... I've noticed in several fanfictions that Riza has a liking for romance novels....? Has anyone else seen this anywhere, and if so, where did it come from? If no one knows, that's okay. I'm just curious.

I'm pretty sure Roy would approve of that dress... right Kale?

Thanks for that rzerox21xx

Umm... sorry for changing the topic.
I had a crazy idea today at work.
Remember Riza askin' Ed if he loved Winry and his reaction?
What if it turns otherwise in the next chapters? *rofl*
Imagine, Ed comes to Hawkeye and says: "blablabla... you calmed him right away. You love each other, right?" and Riza would react the same way as Ed once did *rofl*

@Kale: A scarf... in...summer? Isn't it a little too warm?

@star: Totally...

@hayate: Need it here in San Francisco...as the weather's unpredictable here...

No it's for his winter real-life cosplay XD

And about that... probably she'd faintly blush... but the possibility for that to happen is VERY remote I suppose...

@AndroidLust: Nope, that is not a cheongsam. It's definately an elegant black evening dress. She will look more feminine if she let her hair down though. That will be perfect. Roy is always such a good poser and he looked like some kind of noble in that picture.

@rzerox21xx: You have brightened up my day! That was so funny! I could imagine the scene in that movie with just the change of characters -- Riza threw a dagger and hit Roy's thigh. HAHAHAHAHA! anyway, the modified poster is just great. Riza looks so sexy. Roy's head is just a little too big.



I don't think Ed dares to ask her that question.

*imagines Hawkeye's reaction...LAWL*

It's very Possible, but I always thought of that as more of a Edwin kind of thing. My idea of that is just of Wrath or Pride trying to get Mustang to get to the lair or wherever he's supposed to be, and them saying "We'll just have to eliminate his most important person" and then it switches scenes with Hawkeye appearing in the first panel. (LOL, I saw that in the first X-Files movie except Pride/Wrath was some french dude, Mustang was Mulder and Hawkeye was Scully XD) You know, something subtle and not plainly said by a unrelated character.

BUT WUT DO I KNOW LAWL.

Anyway. Hopefully the new subs are up...even if there is no Royai. I standcling by a thread by my theory about Royai in brotherhood. It makes me feel more hopeful.