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Kale Mustang
I've never been to worried about Brotherhood, as most of my complaints are rather minor - more like annoyances really.

The only thing that's bugging me is the flipping of the storylines, but I'm sure there's a very good reason as to why they're doing it. I just wish I knew why they're doing it.
Turdaewen
They're doing it for several reasons, Kale, but the two biggest ones are these:

- this part was already addressed endlessly by the first anime (more than half FMA 1 was solely about this first 'arc' of the story), making it not only pointless but rather boring trying to 'copy' it. Many people wouldn't want to see 'the same thing twice', which is a complain that is happening, already, even with all the 'omissions and changes'. I've heard many people say "I don't wanna watch it anymore, cause it's the same as the other one".

- because this is not the "main part" of the story to the manga and some scenes are not vital to the flow of the main plot. In fact, you can almost say that the story up to the point of Greed's death is almost an 'introduction' to the REAL FMA story, that centers around Father, the Homunculi and their plot with Amestris (and THAT only starts to develop NOW). That combined to the limited resources that they can dispose equals: this is not where we want to spend the major part of our money/showtime on, or we won't be able to pull the 'fresh manga material' into anime in a satisfactory manner.
Kale Mustang
If the leaked episode titles are correct (no reason to doubt them, as the source has been reliable in the past) it's potentially revealing the truth about Maria Ross before the Roy/Lust fight is what's bugging me - nothing more, nothing less.
Turdaewen
And where did you see the names of the new chapters? On the oficial site only shows up to episode 15 where "Emissary From the East" referes to Ling, not Maria.
jacksparrow589
Before Brotherhood came out, I thought I wanted a pretty strict adaptation of the manga, but I kind of like the change of pace. I mean, it's just nice to see things presented in a different way because, as much as I love the manga, there's only so many times I want to see the same thing twice.

Now that they're getting into the thick of it (not to mention where things split last time), I hope that things will slow down, and I think it would be stupid not to, because a LOT of stuff from here on out is important. I don't want one of those epic (FAIL)s that goes on for-flippin'-EVER, not that I think that it will. Didn't Arakawa say at some point that things will be ending soon? Anyway, we're kind of seeing the main final showdowns right now, so I don't think much will be left to tell after this wraps up. But 'til the very end, there's going to be a TON of stuff packed in.

Ending soon means that we're probably not gonna get much more Royai, though, unless they come in and do some sort of incredible save, but the manga's about, well, the FullMetal Alchemist, and not the pyromaniac, er, Flame Alchemist, much to my chagrin, sometimes.

In summary, I'm actually very much looking forward to Roy vs. Lust because, to me, that kicks off a LOT of stuff that will be VERY interesting to watch. Not just the Royai moments, but those are certainly most of my highlights. Oh, and the manga ending is gonna be jam-packed and SWEET!
Leafspire
-sigh-

Anyhow, I was rewatching the first couple of FMA-2's episodes since I never really understood it when I watched it (I went Brotherhood --> Manga --> First anime) and I kinda noticed -coughwaslookingforRoyaicough- that Riza staring at Roy like so. And trust me, it wasn't a glance. She turned and stared at him for like 20 seconds.

tongue.gif

And after reading Turdaewen's comment, I kind of realized that the Roy vs Lust scene isn't really coming 'soon' at all. Like Turdaewen said, FMA is going to end up as a 50/60 episode anime (sadly). Which means the Roy vs Lust fight is like, one third into the anime. I guess we didn't notice time flying and it felt like Brotherhood just started. tongue.gif
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Jul 10 2009, 05:34 PM) *
And where did you see the names of the new chapters? On the oficial site only shows up to episode 15 where "Emissary From the East" referes to Ling, not Maria.


Here: http://www.fullmetal-alchemist.com/forums/...st&p=691016

If the titles are correct, then lets bring on the rest of the new episodes.
hand-made-city
QUOTE (Leafspire @ Jul 11 2009, 12:24 AM) *
And after reading Turdaewen's comment, I kind of realized that the Roy vs Lust scene isn't really coming 'soon' at all. Like Turdaewen said, FMA is going to end up as a 50/60 episode anime (sadly). Which means the Roy vs Lust fight is like, one third into the anime. I guess we didn't notice time flying and it felt like Brotherhood just started. tongue.gif


The Roy vs. Lust fight is apparently occurring in episode 19, from what I've heard from my sources. So it is pretty soon..
kkg22104
@Leafspire: Nice catch, another mini Royai moment was sneaked into episode 5 laugh.gif

Yeah, hand-made-city is corect. The title of episode 19 is "The Death of an Immortal," which sounds really ironic. Well, it's not like Lust was truely immortal anyway.
angelstar2408
Yep.... "The death of an immortal" is a Paradox....

But who cares.... as long as it gets animated I'm happy happy.gif
Kale Mustang
Oh, the one still I want to see from the Roy/Lust fight in all of its glory would have to be the shot where she's regenerating seen here: http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/38/45/

Now I'm anticipating this episode like crazy now. tongue.gif

kkg22104
@Kale: I think they did a decent job with Greed's regenerating, so hopefully they'll keep it up with Lust.

I like the part where they use codenames to communicate with each other, I hope they don't cut that laugh.gif
hand-made-city
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Jul 11 2009, 02:36 AM) *
Oh, the one still I want to see from the Roy/Lust fight in all of its glory would have to be the shot where she's regenerating seen here: http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/38/45/

Now I'm anticipating this episode like crazy now. tongue.gif



Ooo nice pick! That's definitely something I'd like to see the animators really put effort into! Just like this one much later! http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/94/43/
Alzea
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Jul 11 2009, 07:01 AM) *
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Jul 10 2009, 05:34 PM) *
And where did you see the names of the new chapters? On the oficial site only shows up to episode 15 where "Emissary From the East" referes to Ling, not Maria.


Here: http://www.fullmetal-alchemist.com/forums/...st&p=691016

If the titles are correct, then lets bring on the rest of the new episodes.

They are probably correct since they are from one of those Japanese magazines like NewType...

Turdaewen, I'm just annoyed since one of the things I love in the FMA are these little details and you can't tell me that they're not rushing everything and cutting few things. I know that BONES doesn't really makes long series but when they are animating AGAIN series which is +20 volumes and still on-going, they should know that it can't be helped, it must be a bit longer if they want it to be done good and show everything...Maybe I'm just overreacting here but really Lust fight within 4 episodes is scarring me...And about improving I meant changing order of events...Anyway I still have faith in BONES~Now it's not as bad as you might think I think, what's going on now is good but I'm worried about later episodes. Well, I'll shut up now and wait till episode 19...or something like this...

Yeah, that's all, I think we should end this talk since it's not really related to royai xP
SneakyRuler
So I show up again just in time for a Barry the Chopper episode and a manga-chapter-read-without-having-to-crawl-out-of-my-skin-from-waiting wink.gif Nice experience I must say. Holidays are always fun (as is fun reading this thread after it - I'm lucky I managed it in a day smile.gif)

I wouldn't be too afraid of anime not following manga exactly. There's a lot of stuff happening at the same time so anime can show things a little differently and still be true to the story's time line (if I make any sence hear, I tend to express myself vaguely even in my mother language)
Let's wait what happens and rejoice that this time around it will be Roy that kills Lust and not some person they had to invent just for the occasion *spoiler tags just in case there's somebody not familiar with the manga*
Gimpyhair
I hate sounding like an angry pro-royai and pro-manga fan, I'm really sorry about this -___-*

I just read amber1003's title episode and summary here http://amber1003.deviantart.com/journal/25869231/ , and how come they say in episode 19 that "Roy, Havoc and Al who are following Barry infiltrate into the understairs of Third laboratory". Where the hell is HAWKEYE???
Haru0496
Whoa~ really?
wow.. i'm not reading vol 2, 3, 5, 6, 7 yet.. xD
that's would be nice though ^^
Michiyo-
I read the episode summaries too at Animesuki and I'm getting even more worried.
Where's the phone conversation and the Gluttony VS. Riza? Yeah, and where's Riza in ep. 19?

I really hope those are just brief summaries and we'll see more in the upcoming episodes.

(And Ed and Al learn about Hughes' death from Maria Ross? O_o What is Bones doing with this anime?)
amestris_star
QUOTE (Gimpyhair @ Jul 11 2009, 01:20 PM) *
I hate sounding like an angry pro-royai and pro-manga fan, I'm really sorry about this -___-*

I just read amber1003's title episode and summary here http://amber1003.deviantart.com/journal/25869231/ , and how come they say in episode 19 that "Roy, Havoc and Al who are following Barry infiltrate into the understairs of Third laboratory". Where the hell is HAWKEYE???


Oh God, now I'm really gonna start get worried... for the Royai awesomeness that those chapters are...
Alzea
Gah, these things...
What was that again?
QUOTE (Alzea @ Jul 11 2009, 10:17 AM) *
I still have faith in BONES~

Yeah, I have faith in Bones....I have faith in Bones....I have faith in Bones...I have faith in Bones....I have---God, darn it where the hell are you, faith?!

Yes, I think I'm overreacting right now...Maybe Riza wasn't included because they want to make us...erm...surprise(or maybe she isn't so important charcter but then what's with Havoc, he's mentioned there)? They can't change so much, can they? And true, where is Riza vs Gluttony....Argh, I just simply shouldn't read summaries, I will stop it and just wait for these episodes to come...Again, what was that I said?
QUOTE (Alzea @ Jul 11 2009, 10:17 AM) *
Well, I'll shut up now and wait till episode 19...or something like this...
THIS!

Riiiight, like I'm able to do it now...Welll, I'll try at least...
black~hayate
I'm optimistic to that episode summaries.
I mean, they don't want to explain every detail in 2 or 3 sentences, right?

But I am still worrying...
The call... I bet they won't animate it. Yeah, THE CALL. You know what I mean.
Turdaewen
Well, if they cut it, it can't be helped.

They're not about to change everything around just so that Royai fans would be happy. Which makes me sad, of course, but I didn't expect them to do a 'word by word' manga adaptation, either. Neither I would want them to, cause it would be rather boring... I'm just enjoying it the way it goes and, if it ended up taking out some Royai, I can always read the manga. XD Which won't cease to be the original artwork and my major reference to anything FMA.
If I get to worry too much about what will be in or out or changed, I won't be able to appreciate Brotherhood as a work of its own, but only on comparison to the FMA 1 and the manga, which I think is very limiting.
Gimpyhair
Turdaewen, I love how zen you are biggrin.gif *thumbs up*

But still, the normal reaction of someone who realised that its favorite scene won't make it to the screen is being angry, or simply disappointed. And since members of this thread have pretty much the same favorites scenes, we can't help but rant a little bit. But yeah, we should really just wait and see what really happens.
Axem_Rangers
I honestly can't see them taking out something so significant in Episode 19. Its a pretty big defining moment for a lot of characters. If Riza isn't there, how is Al going to take his "hero" role and protect her? Its also pretty important to see exactly HOW dedicated Riza really is when it comes to following Roy, which does in fact lead into other things later on in the story.

Without Riza there, I don't think Lust's death will have nearly the same impact, even with Havoc getting injured. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

(Even if she isn't there at the time, Roy will still get injured, which could possibly lead to a royai moment later on in the hospital... One can hope)
DistantBlue
QUOTE (Gimpyhair @ Jul 11 2009, 04:20 AM) *
I hate sounding like an angry pro-royai and pro-manga fan, I'm really sorry about this -___-*

I just read amber1003's title episode and summary here http://amber1003.deviantart.com/journal/25869231/ , and how come they say in episode 19 that "Roy, Havoc and Al who are following Barry infiltrate into the understairs of Third laboratory". Where the hell is HAWKEYE???


I might be pissed as hell if the call scene is cut, but I would still watch it.


If Hawkeye is cut from the Lust scene, I'm giving up the series.

Seriously.

If BONES ruins on of the two biggest Royai moments for us, than I don't even want to see what they do for the rest of the series with Royai and other characters.

Sorry for sounding really pro-Royai and such, but that just pisses me off.

EDIT: I checked the website that someone posted and noticed in that summary it says just Roy and Havoc infiltrate the Third Lab instead of Al as well. So I have a little more hope that Hawkeye and Al was omitted for a stupid reason (...from both summaries?)

And come to think of it, the Lust incident was close to right after the call scene, so maybe they wanted her appearance to be a surprise?

ANOTHER EDIT: For the ep. 19 summary, I found after reading it again, it says at the beginning that Roy's mission was basically FAIL and Barry runs off to find his body. So maybe the end of 18 is like the cliffhanger in Vol. 9 with the call and Roy running after Riza, and 19 picks up from there into the Lust incident? If so, that would make perfect sense to why Riza wasn't included in the summary - to not spoil for the new fans whether Riza made it out alive or not.
amestris_star
QUOTE (DistantBlue @ Jul 11 2009, 05:44 PM) *
EDIT: I checked the website that someone posted and noticed in that summary it says just Roy and Havoc infiltrate the Third Lab instead of Al as well. So I have a little more hope that Hawkeye and Al was omitted for a stupid reason (...from both summaries?)

And come to think of it, the Lust incident was close to right after the call scene, so maybe they wanted her appearance to be a surprise?


Well, they haven't actually mentioned Lust either I suppose so... could be.
jacksparrow589
That summary doesn't say anything about the next part of the battle, which gives me a bit of hope. At that point, things are more focused on Roy and Havoc. If that's the summary for the whole episode, I'd put money on it ending with Lust leaving Roy and Havoc for dead. There is also the possibility, as DistantBlue mentioned, with the way that summary ends, that Lust's entrance before she nearly kills Roy and Havoc could be the cutoff point. The way things have been switched around, maybe there'll be another bit of focus in there that allows for not showing the whole story just then.

Still, I'm with those who don't like Riza's name not being included there. As far as Royai moments important to the story go, this one ranks right up there. Riza demonstrates her devotion (for lack of a better word, although I think it suits the situation well enough) several times in the manga, and Roy vs. Lust is a HUGE part of that, not to mention that it kicks off several events later on. It's also a big character moment for her, considering she's pretty well put together most of the time. (And then there's the whole Royai factor, of course. wink.gif)

For example, when they're in the hospital, Riza shows Roy that map that leads to suspicion about Bradley's identity as a homunculus. She makes that map using her own paces, and there would be no other way for her to get that sort of information. Roy tries to figure out what Bradley's game is, his team gets split, and things just get worse from there.

So, how are they going to have that suspicion come up if Riza isn't included? I'm just hoping that some information was left out or mis-read and that we get Riza in there. I know I'd totally be on the edge of my seat, even knowing how it was going to turn out.
Turdaewen
Yeah... They would have to change a LOT to make that scene work without Riza... so, I don't think so. XD

And we also have to remember that this scene is one of Arakawa's FAVORITE scenes and one of the scenes she took a LOT of time and effort to make, as it is one of the turning points of the manga, so I guess Bones would have to be really dumb to try and change it. She prepared for that scene from the start! She even make Havoc a smoker exclusively for that scene!

Either way, I'm going to keep my cool XD I will be really pissed if they indeed change that much of the manga, but, at the same time, it won't do me any good to be pissed now, when I don't even know exactly what's going to happen, yet. XD

More than that, I already have do deal with all sorts of flaming and senseless critics towards Brotherhood every day, since I work for the biggest FMA portal in Brazil (can you picture a bunch of pseudo-otakus complaining 'this anime is not the second season of FMA' and, 90% saying it's stupid when they haven't even read the manga?? Yeah... THAT's the sorta thing I have to deal with... a hell lotta patience.), so, when I can, I prefer to keep any sorts of 'emotional rollercoaster' out of the way and analyze Brotherhood in the most rational way as possible.
rzerox21xx
Turdaewen, where you get all this info about Arakawa favorite scens and such. I would like to read it if you have access or links to any of her interviews.

Also, I would like to look at your Brazilian portal if you will provide a link.
Turdaewen
QUOTE (rzerox21xx @ Jul 11 2009, 02:08 PM) *
Turdaewen, where you get all this info about Arakawa favorite scens and such. I would like to read it if you have access or links to any of her interviews.

Also, I would like to look at your Brazilian portal if you will provide a link.

I take it from all sorts of places: several sites, some translations posted on this forum of interviews and such. XD

But this particular one was from a interview translated on this site: http://www.zomgfta.com/hagaren/interview.html

And my portal is: http://www.alchemistproject.net/
I'm responsible for all of the FMA contents on the Portal, which means, I get the load of these sort of e-mails. The other staff are responsible more to the 'web' part of the portal, which leaves me with mostly everything concerning the direct contends of FMA.
paca
Hi!!


some pics, concerning the new anime:


from here







cell phone sticker- roy and co.



Kale Mustang
Awesome and thanks paca!

I'm finding it hilarious that there's basically an icon that means either 'hates rain' or 'do not get wet' in what appears to be a bag for Roy.

I need to track this down once it's released - it's too funny. laugh.gif
amestris_star
And I spy with my little eye Roy in the suit! biggrin.gif

Apart from the other things that I would really really love to own >D (Kale you'll most probably manage to have them, I won't *cries*)
hand-made-city
laugh.gif Thanks for sharing, paca! Nice of you to come in and break up the distressed mood we're all in right now.. ^^

I noticed that Hawkeye was missing from the summary too, but I wasn't sure to say anything about it, because it could have been a number of things. Someone forgot to mention her, the summary had to be kept short, they're changing a few things etc. I want to do what Alzea suggested and stop reading the summaries!
Gimpyhair
Is that Roy with flowers? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif Hell yeah!
amestris_star
QUOTE (Gimpyhair @ Jul 11 2009, 08:45 PM) *
Is that Roy with flowers? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif Hell yeah!


Sure he is >D Doing his 'dating' act ;D
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (Gimpyhair @ Jul 11 2009, 11:45 AM) *
Is that Roy with flowers? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif Hell yeah!


All that's missing from that pic is Havoc crying in the background... tongue.gif
Hagaren_4ever
Well, if you remember, he DID offer her flowers once, but she said she didn't have any pots or vases for them. (But he was offering her a carload of flowers, not a bouquet. XD)
Alzea
Uhuhuhu, thanks paca for helping us forget xP
Since we are at it, this is made of pure awesomeness:
Click to view attachment
And you just can't deny it~~
amestris_star
QUOTE (Alzea @ Jul 11 2009, 11:23 PM) *
Uhuhuhu, thanks paca for helping us forget xP
Since we are at it, this is made of pure awesomeness:
Click to view attachment
And you just can't deny it~~


Oh God and he's with the cap wub.gif
That would need Hawkeye by his side *nods*
paca
hand-made-citydistressed mood? O: you were talking about the anime and the episodes "written preview"!! *has just checked*

... well, the anime is going ...let's say faster than the manga >_>...but that's something that always happends when something is adapted for animation or movie...things go faster, detail (which are very important for those who wait each 12th refreshing and refreshing xD....) are "jumped over", somethings are more direct ('cause the suggestions are always left for mangas and books not the screen)... the order changes... the mainmain character in the animes is like the "only center" of the story....(I mean has anyone heard how a manga and and anime are "written" I mean how one has only one "story line" -anime-, while the manga has many ...let's think the manag like a tree with maaaany branches.... blablabla... I annoyed you with my lines xD

So to sum up I love seeing the battles xD, but I get dissapointed when, for example, I don't hear Grumman asking Roy after the chess game about taking her grandaughter D:, hehehehe~~ (but concerning that point, I think that logical that they missed that part, in my personal opinion it gives us more freedom to think about what will Grumman do now (talking about the manga and if he will follow the plan or not)... I don't know why but being her grandfather doesn't give me the enough excuse to make him totally reliable >_____>


Going back to something different about those anime topics >_>


do you want soap?
Oh! look at this mug
for the candies... and you can read the line .." is it hope or ..."

O: and has someone brought the game related pics that appeared in this month's gangan? no Riza+Roy in there but we still see some Roy:
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q61/kaw...aca/wall1-1.jpg
Roy annoying Ed
maybe here is something about Roy in jail...
chibi roy (bandai)
Alzea
Oh, well, on hagarenbbs there is something like it's a first part only (I mean this set) so maybe second will be with Hawkeye and maybe Hughes too since I'd love to have him anyway, yes, this is amazing~~

Awww, paca, now I want to live in Japan even more~~ T_T
Kale Mustang
I swear...I'm going to go broke because of all of the stuff that's coming out. Nice to know that a lot of the merchandise is more equally centered between the Elrics & Mustang-tachi this time around.

Thanks paca & Alzea.

smile.gif
amestris_star
And my question is... how on Earth will I manage to get these *curses the fact she lives in a miniature country*
Alzea
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Jul 12 2009, 12:10 AM) *
And my question is... how on Earth will I manage to get these *curses the fact she lives in a miniature country*
seconded that xP
I mean Poland...Some people I was talking to were wondering where is it... xP The only way I can buy anything are online shops but shipping fees to Poland are so darn expensive, tsk, some of the shops doesn't even ship anything here >.<
Kale Mustang
I'd offer to help out, but mailing things to Europe is sooo expensive. And that makes me sad...but, I do make exceptions for Christmastime... smile.gif
spectator
About this pic: http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q61/kaw...aca/wallin1.jpg

Roy is charged with attempted murder? huh.gif

And the motive is because of women issues???

Ed is trying to prove that Roy is innocent??????

Tombow
@spectator - That scan doesn't say directly that the "woman issue" was the motive. It says that the recored has been altered, and Mustang got some woman trouble, and there seems to be some conspiracy by the upper brass officers. But yeah, Ed has to prove Mustang's innocence in the court, and that's the story No. 3 of that game. smile.gif
spectator
@Tombow: Thanks for the explanation. I was so confused. happy.gif Can you translate for the rest of the pic?

By the way, is there any other way to read the whole story of the game other than buying the game?

The plot seems very interesting.
Tombow
@spectator - You're welcome. ^^ Yeah, I got bunch of scanned magazine pages to translate for that game, and I will post more translations later. ^^ As for the story for that game, lots of us are interested to know, yet so far we know only bits and pieces that came out in the magazine and other news articles. But, I'm sure we'll learn a whole lot more as soon as the game comes out. biggrin.gif
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