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jacksparrow589
When I saw Riza's tattoo, I pretty much went "Cool ta--wait a minute!" I didn't think she was evil or anything, but I was a little bit confused as to why an inordinate amount of characters in FMA have some sort of tattoo! The homunculi (dunno if they're exactly tattoos, but come on, 7 identical "birth" marks?), Izumi, Scar, Riza, Al's blood seal (okay, that doesn't count)... But that's more tattoos than I've ever seen in one anime/manga!

But the bath house omake was pretty priceless. I laughed.
rinoaebastel
Hum, when I saw the tattoo the first thing that I said out loud was : What is this? this is so cool yay, riza is more important here, when she did this and why?, and more things that I can't remember because I read 10 tomes (chapters) in a row, I think... xD

The other thing that surprised me was the desing, it was so curious but I didn't notice that it was related with mustang and his alchemy smile.gif

@jacksparrow yeah, a lot of characters have tattos maybe Arakawa likes them or maybe they are related with each other, who knows x)
crazyanimefan
When I first saw the tattoo, I was like "Cool tattoo. There has to be some significance to it." And I saw the burn mark under her left shoulder and was like "What is this? Someone/something burned Riza?" I was intrigued. Thankfully, I just had to keep reading to find out, but I was delighted to know it gave us some background on Roy and Riza's history.
Aribelle
I didn't even notice the burn mark the first time I read it...so that part was a surprise to me when it finally got to that part in the flashback...
Kale Mustang
Riza's tattoo, eh?

Hmm, the first time I saw it, I thought it was pretty hot. Then I noticed the smaller details - strangely it wasn't the burn that caught my attention, but rather it was the salamander that made me think I'd seen it before. I then decided to take a look back a few chapters - because I knew I'd seen something like it before - and sure enough, I saw a clear shot of Roy's glove and it's transmutation circle. Finally went back to the tattoo...and put two and two together after I looked at the tattoo a bit more.
hand-made-city
This is all so interesting to read! It makes me wish I had started reading the manga earlier, so I could have that element of surprise with Riza's tattoo! Besides the fanfiction author, some of the reviewers on the story I read were also debating about the tattoo. I remember one person saying 'Maybe it's some sort of protection seal Mustang gave her.' That's kind of interesting too... I love all these theories, even if they're now debunked!
black~hayate
Lol yeah, the tatoo is hot.
I want one for myself, but not on the entire back =D.
When I have time, I'm gonna translate what's written on the tatoo...

Have you noticed? In the topic about the new Wii game there is a scan from a magazine.
In the scan we see a panel for Riza. Seems like she got a boquet of roses...
Who from? From... "you know who" or from the prince guy?
That's what I'm askin' myself.
Of course it's Mustang, but the prince might be it, too =D
RoyxRizaFan
That hot air balloon is slightly mentally scarring, but it always makes me laugh too tongue.gif it just reminds me of how annoying some things about the anime were...but then it's just like...it's a hot air balloon. So I laugh. And then I stop talking because I'm not making sense.

I have to go read jacksparrow's fan fic! Curse these finals...(only three left!)

Anyhow, interesting thoughts/discussions, guys...the only reason Bradley is always a possibility in my mind is b/c of his "take care of the Flame Alchemist" stuff. Unless he completed that already. IDK. I don't think he'll ever carry through with what he starts, though, because of all the foreshadowing that he isn't as inhuman as he tries to be (with his conversatoins with Pride and Riza about humans and his wife)



Turdaewen
OMG, so many things to answer to! ^^

Ok, about Wrath attacking Riza. It is possible, but I just don't see it happening. XD it's too much cliché for the likes of Arakawa.

About Roy dying, I really don't know. I think he wouldn't kill himself, but he most definitely would be 'gone beyond repair', that's for sure. And I don't think he would be stupid enough to try and bring her back, but I don't know if he would have the strength to keep on fighting.
I guess that happened when Hughes died. His determination grew deeper by that death, but, on chapter 95, he looks like really helpless to the idea of loosing Riza. Not only because it's Riza, but most of all, because he seems to have been building up this thought of 'him being responsible for the ruin of too many lives' (Maes, Riza, Havoc...) Just as well as when he was at the hospital, after he learned Havoc was paraplegic for life. He almost gave it up and it was RIZA who put him back together. But that feeling of 'I hurt everyone around me' never truly left him.
So, if Riza died, it would bring up the question about "what's the cost for reaching the top and is it worth it" and thinking that, as long as he keep trying to become Fürher, more and more people would be hurt in the process.
So I don't think he would keep on fighting, no. Especially in the case of Riza's death. Not because he's in love with her (which I think he is), but because of all their history.


And, Tombow, the Portuguese translation is actually made by a friend of mine (and I believe he's yours, too), who said to me he reads both the translation made by Manga Helpers, but also YOUR translation and takes his 'conclusions' on meanings and everything to write down his own version.


When I saw Riza's tatoo, I was so taken by surprise, I didn't know what to think! And I never once stopped to examine it and come to the conclusion that it had something to do with Roy and the Flame Alchemy.
rinoaebastel
Now that we are in the topic of what if Riza would die and Mustang's reactions...I have a crazy theory long time ago and it's still in my head, I think that maybe the homunculus wants Mustang to open the door and for that, they try to kill Riza and they succeed to kill her, And I think that he will not be able to go through that and he will try human transmutation to resurrect her and open the door with it...and resurrect Riza perfectly of course xD



Ah...I don't know if this can be considered spoiler but for safe I put it x)

I forget...I just laugh so much with Roy in the air balloon...and more with Riza made smile in the ova...
RoyxRizaFan
That is one of the most popular theories going around here, because all the eerie foreshadowing from chapters 39/40 with Bradley/Bradley talking to Father make everyone think of this first. Simply because this is the first time we all thought of, I don't think it will happen. Roy has had the urge to preform a human transmutation before, but I don't know if that makes him more or less likely to do so.

I just don't see the cow goddess as being so predictable
rinoaebastel
QUOTE (RoyxRizaFan @ Jun 16 2009, 11:55 PM) *
That is one of the most popular theories going around here, because all the eerie foreshadowing from chapters 39/40 with Bradley/Bradley talking to Father make everyone think of this first. Simply because this is the first time we all thought of, I don't think it will happen. Roy has had the urge to preform a human transmutation before, but I don't know if that makes him more or less likely to do so.

I just don't see the cow goddess as being so predictable


Umm, well I hope that, in part it's a relief xD
Aribelle
QUOTE (rinoaebastel @ Jun 16 2009, 02:19 PM) *
Now that we are in the topic of what if Riza would die and Mustang's reactions...I have a crazy theory long time ago and it's still in my head, I think that maybe the homunculus wants Mustang to open the door and for that, they try to kill Riza and they succeed to kill her, And I think that he will not be able to go through that and he will try human transmutation to resurrect her and open the door with it...and resurrect Riza perfectly of course xD


I'd be lying if I said I hadn't considered that too, but like RoyxRizaFan said I don't think Arawaka-sensei will take the obvious route and do it. Although, I would be a little surprised if she completely abandoned that plot point, especially since she made it a point to have Bradley mention Roy being a possible "sacrifice". So I do think that we'll get some sort of resolution or mention of it, even if it's Bradley or Father being all "well I guess Roy won't work out after all" - perhaps after they try to coerce him into opening the gate somehow and fail? I believe someone in another discussion on this forum (can't exactly remember who ^^') brought up the possibility of Roy opening the gate/attempting human transmutation for the Elrics? I don't think that would be completely out of the realm of possibility, especially since he does seem to look out for them in a mentor-like manner. But it would be SO SAD OMG. Teh angst.

Really though, anything involving Roy opening the gate would be angst ridden like WOAH lol.
kkg22104
Gah, this is what happens when I can't come online for a couple of days...I kind of scanned the last few pages to get the gist of the conversation, but I still don't know where the hot air balloon thing came from XD

Riza's tattoo--When I first saw it, I think my first reaction was shock, like "OMG WTF is THAT?" Then I remember I had to go, so I couldn't continue reading and I was wondering about it for the rest of the day lol. tongue.gif

I remember discussing the theory of Riza dying and Roy opening the gate to bring her back on another thread...It just seems so cliche and predictable that I'm almost positive Arakawa won't use it. She'll probably find some genius way to twist things around and still make it work.
Turdaewen
Yeah... that theory pops up every now and then.

I don't know.. that just doesn't sound Arakawa-ish to me. It looks a lot more like something someone would come up with in a fanfic, than something she would actually use as a plot in such a creative sort of manga like FMA. It's way too 'angst' and cliché. And if Arakawa indeed has the ending planned out since the begining of FMA, I'm sure she came up with something a lot better than that.

Moreover, that would give Riza a sort of a 'damsel in distress' facade that I don't think Arakawa would give her, since she likes the fact that Riza is a different sort of heroin. We only have to remember the Lust scene to see she's anything but a passive, defenseless woman. Even when she has given up, she's not the one to act like someone who's waiting on rescue or anything of the sort. If she ever comes down, I'm sure it will be fighting and not as a 'hostage' bargain. She's too much of a strong woman for that to happen to her.
amestris_star
QUOTE (RoyxRizaFan @ Jun 16 2009, 11:55 PM) *
That is one of the most popular theories going around here, because all the eerie foreshadowing from chapters 39/40 with Bradley/Bradley talking to Father make everyone think of this first. Simply because this is the first time we all thought of, I don't think it will happen. Roy has had the urge to preform a human transmutation before, but I don't know if that makes him more or less likely to do so.

I just don't see the cow goddess as being so predictable


Safe for just a few things, Arakawa is the undisputed queen of unpredictable so... I think she has something in mind related to the whole situation that none of us would have ever thought about... and that is amazing ;D

PS. However, I don't think Riza will die to make Roy open the gate. Nah. Just. Nah.

PPS. And just for info for everyone on the thread who enjoyed it during the Royai Day Festival, we will be posting new updates for the Chronicles fic soon wink.gif I was just a little bit over busy these couple of days and didn't have time ^^
Forgiven
I don't really rememberer my reaction to Riza's tattoo. I was just surprised because I didn't think she would be that much of an importance. I guess she is now; the tattoo is the key to Flame Alchemy.
Michiyo-
When I started reading the manga, it had already 77 chapters, so I could read it continuously. When I first saw Riza’s tattoo I immediately noticed that Roy has the same symbol on his gloves, so I became really curious, that maybe it has to do something with their past.
However I didn’t notice the burn marks at first, until Riza asked Roy to burn her back. Then I went back to chapter 57 to see it again.

I loved the flashbacks and I was happy to learn how deep their relationship is. I can’t wait to see that chapters animated. ^^
amestris_star
And found new cute fanart too this evening:

http://rizzu.deviantart.com/art/Lucky-126081869

(Eye-patch apart since I'm not too fond of the first anime... it's so much love <3)
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Jun 17 2009, 12:21 PM) *
And found new cute fanart too this evening:

http://rizzu.deviantart.com/art/Lucky-126081869

(Eye-patch apart since I'm not too fond of the first anime... it's so much love <3)


Apart from the whole 'yarr-I'm-a-pirate!' vibe of the eyepatch, the pic reminds me of an old-time movie poster...
amestris_star
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Jun 17 2009, 09:36 PM) *
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Jun 17 2009, 12:21 PM) *
And found new cute fanart too this evening:

http://rizzu.deviantart.com/art/Lucky-126081869

(Eye-patch apart since I'm not too fond of the first anime... it's so much love <3)


Apart from the whole 'yarr-I'm-a-pirate!' vibe of the eyepatch, the pic reminds me of an old-time movie poster...


Strangely enough, the thing I like most about it is the wedding rings fully visible *grins*
Turdaewen
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Jun 17 2009, 04:36 PM) *
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Jun 17 2009, 12:21 PM) *
And found new cute fanart too this evening:

http://rizzu.deviantart.com/art/Lucky-126081869

(Eye-patch apart since I'm not too fond of the first anime... it's so much love <3)


Apart from the whole 'yarr-I'm-a-pirate!' vibe of the eyepatch, the pic reminds me of an old-time movie poster...

lol it really does!! XD

I was just wondering why the hell would Roy use the black sash at his wedding O.o Those are for funerals!! Really awkward.
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Jun 17 2009, 12:47 PM) *
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Jun 17 2009, 09:36 PM) *
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Jun 17 2009, 12:21 PM) *
And found new cute fanart too this evening:

http://rizzu.deviantart.com/art/Lucky-126081869

(Eye-patch apart since I'm not too fond of the first anime... it's so much love <3)


Apart from the whole 'yarr-I'm-a-pirate!' vibe of the eyepatch, the pic reminds me of an old-time movie poster...


Strangely enough, the thing I like most about it is the wedding rings fully visible *grins*


Well, not my fault that the first thing I noticed was the eyepatch...but yeah the visible wedding rings is a nice touch and as for the black sash...since the pic is supposed to be like a black & white photo, perhaps the sash is meant to be a different color...or they just goofed on the coloring - take you pick.

Yarr!
DistantBlue
Yeah, I started reading the manga when it was about 84 chapters into it (so 96 marked a year of me reading FMA LAWL), and I remember I was like, "WTF, coolio." when I got to that last page with the tattoo.

Yarr. My brother just watched Pirates of the Carribean and now I got a bunch of Jack Sparrow quotes coming back to me. XD
jacksparrow589
DistantBlue--And my comment on that fanart amestris_star put the link up for is not going to help: "Weddings! I LOVE weddings! Drinks all around!" (Don't tell me you couldn't see that one coming from me!)

Really, though, great fanart! The eyepatch was a little... meh, but that's a "me" thing. I just don't get what people see in it. (And after re-reading this, I can safely say "no pun intended.")
FMAobsessed
Yeah, I don't want an eyepatch on Roy at the end of the manga. I think that we won't see one.

amestris star I like the fanart. I like the wedding rings that are visible. What if at the end of the manga we see Roy and Riza working together, but we see visible wedding rings on their fingers. Would people be happy?
amestris_star
QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Jun 18 2009, 05:27 AM) *
Yeah, I don't want an eyepatch on Roy at the end of the manga. I think that we won't see one.

amestris star I like the fanart. I like the wedding rings that are visible. What if at the end of the manga we see Roy and Riza working together, but we see visible wedding rings on their fingers. Would people be happy?


It would make me such a happy person that you can't even imagine cool.gif
hand-made-city
QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Jun 17 2009, 11:27 PM) *
Yeah, I don't want an eyepatch on Roy at the end of the manga. I think that we won't see one.

amestris star I like the fanart. I like the wedding rings that are visible. What if at the end of the manga we see Roy and Riza working together, but we see visible wedding rings on their fingers. Would people be happy?


That would actually be really really cute! I might like a bit more than that... but that would be very adorable.
FMAobsessed
Well I meant that if Arakawa didn't show a wedding, but showed a ring on each of them. and then after work, we see them go home together. Would that be an Arakawa ending for Roy and Riza?
Aribelle
QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Jun 17 2009, 08:27 PM) *
What if at the end of the manga we see Roy and Riza working together, but we see visible wedding rings on their fingers. Would people be happy?


akjsdfhlakjdf YES.

QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Jun 17 2009, 09:55 PM) *
Well I meant that if Arakawa didn't show a wedding, but showed a ring on each of them. and then after work, we see them go home together. Would that be an Arakawa ending for Roy and Riza?


I am so in love with this scenario. I think that would be perfect. I would actually prefer that to a wedding. It just fits better with how I see them...not big and flashy, more just letting the relationship speak for itself.
rinoaebastel
QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Jun 18 2009, 05:27 AM) *
Yeah, I don't want an eyepatch on Roy at the end of the manga. I think that we won't see one.

amestris star I like the fanart. I like the wedding rings that are visible. What if at the end of the manga we see Roy and Riza working together, but we see visible wedding rings on their fingers. Would people be happy?


I can die of happiness x)

PS: I don't like the eyepach either...it hides almost a middle of his face
black~hayate
The galery of the artist of this fanart (yeah, the eyepatched one) has other good pictures.
Some of them are eyepatched, but some are not and they are all like "awww" and make good mood >D
RoyxRizaFan
Yeah, eyepatches can be mad sexy (like on Lavi from D. Gray Man or Fye from Tsubasa) but on Roy, it didn't sit too well with me. I knew it was coming from AMVs and stuff so I wasn't like, "What the hell?" at the end of the anime, but it's not my favorite.

Still a great pic, though!

I like the subtly of that idea (just having rings). It works better for them than a flashy wedding.
Tombow
Joins everyone for "no eye patch for Roy" campaign. tongue.gif
Especially, that eye-patch. That thing is HUGE. laugh.gif

QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Jun 18 2009, 12:55 AM) *
Well I meant that if Arakawa didn't show a wedding, but showed a ring on each of them. and then after work, we see them go home together. Would that be an Arakawa ending for Roy and Riza?

@FMAobsessed - Ohhhh, I'm totally for this!! biggrin.gif

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@Turdaewen - Please give Vitor a big hug from me. happy.gif
Aribelle
Yeahhh...I really didn't care for Roy's eye-patch. It just didn't work for me. It was very awkwardly shaped. Like RoyxRizaFan said, sometimes eye-patches are awesome (btw I completely agree with all your examples tongue.gif), and sometimes they fail.

We should totally make banners for the anti Roy's eye-patch movement laugh.gif I am bored enough that I just might do it haha.
Kale Mustang
The wedding ring thing would be great.

It's subtle - like them - and would go with the whole, 'actions speak louder than words' and with these two, words don't always need to be spoken at all.

...Yarr!!! (That eyepatch...gets me every time tongue.gif)
Kirara
QUOTE (RoyxRizaFan @ Jun 18 2009, 11:28 AM) *
@ Kirara and Tombow - Yeah, onemanga can be crap sometimes, but I think Sannom may have been referring to chapter 39 where Riza thought Roy was dead and lost her will to live, which is shown through the pictures, not what she said (she wouldn't move as Lust went in to kill her, despite what Al did or said) IDK, this is just a guess...

I don't think I need to add anything ontopic to this discussion. I think it's obvious which my favorite is (though I adore and ship them both to the end!!!)



I am bringing this discussion over from this topic since I think this is the more appropriate thread.

Lately I have seen many people claim Riza is weak because she seems to only live for Roy. That she cannot live without Roy or that she would kill herself for Roy. Most of this seems to stem from Riza's actions in chapter 39 and 95.

But lets examine these events a little closer. Yes as RoyxRizaFan pointed out when Lust told Riza that Mustang had died it seemed like she had given up. But you have to realize that Riza was in complete shock at that point. So yes at that point maybe she did lose her will to live. If I was told someone I cared about deeply had just died I am not sure how I would react either. That doesn't mean Riza is weak or that she can't live without Roy. It's just that having something thrown at her like that effected her greatly. People do react differently when they are in shock.

Not to mention characters are shown to have weak moments throughout the series: Ed trying to sacrifice himself so Scar would let his brother go, Al believing his memories were fake, Winry's first encounter with Scar, Roy in the latest chapters. These were weak moments however these moments do not define the characters.


Then we have the latest chapter because of a mistranslation people think Riza said she would kill herself if Roy dies. She never said this. What she said was if I kill you I will kill myself. There is a big difference to this statement. Keep in mind that it is Riza who gave Roy the flame alchemy that made him go berserk thus she feels guilty about this. As Riza said she doesn't think she deserves to live an easy life after the war is over because of the part she played too. She even says so much to Ed in Vol. 16 that herself, Roy, and even Hughes do not have a say of when they will die because of the part they played in Ishval. Notice that she is accepting her death not to follow Roy but because of the part she also played in Ishval. Roy might have used flame alchemy to commit genocide but she aided him in this by giving him her father's secret and she acknowledges her own guilt in the matter.

Finally people say Riza is weak because she follows Roy and that seems to be her one purpose. But why do I never see people call Falman, Havoc, Breda, or Fuery weak? Last time I checked following and believing in Roy's goals were their main purpose as well. But only Riza gets called weak. It seems like a double standard if you ask me.

But yes Riza follows Roy because she cares deeply about him and because she believes he can make a better world. But she does have her own mind. If she thinks what Roy is doing is wrong or he is misusing the power she gave him then she stops him. He told her himself that she has this power to watch his back. So quite honestly I don't see Roy/Riza as just the Officer/Subordinate relationship because Riza does have power over Roy. Roy has a great power the flame alchemy but we can't forget where he got this from or the fact that she just doesn't just follow him out of blind devotion but the fact that she also literally keeps him in line (and I don't just mean she makes sure he does his paper work).

And if you think Riza can't live without Roy then what about Roy. After chapter 95 I would say she has him around her little finger too if just saying I will kill myself after this is all over gets him to stop the revenge he was waiting for for so many chapters.

Sorry that was long smile.gif
RoyxRizaFan
*applaudes* Wonderfully put.

I haven't heard many people say Riza was weak before, but those few times bug me (or when fan fics portray her like she's some Mary Sue). She's able to care about someone without becoming dependant on them (she saves his @$$ more than he does hers).

It's because she's such a BAMP that I love her so much!
hand-made-city
QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Jun 18 2009, 12:55 AM) *
Well I meant that if Arakawa didn't show a wedding, but showed a ring on each of them. and then after work, we see them go home together. Would that be an Arakawa ending for Roy and Riza?


I'd love that sort of ending. Nothing too overdone or overstated, but still very Royai-ish. That's a great way to show their relationship! I still want to see them kiss though! Just once pleaaase! *_*

@Kirara
I agree, it seems that the different translations are screwing a lot of people up... over at the mangafox forums I know that a few people have called Riza weak because of her actions in chapter 95, but we all know better. And I really enjoyed reading your post! Loved the points you made!
Tombow
Thank you, Kirara!!
You stated that 100 times better than I could!! Yap, totally agree!! happy.gif
Aribelle
@Kirara - I completely agree with everything you said. The notion that Riza is mindlessly following Roy is ridiculous. She's very intelligent and it's been proven many times over that Roy needs her as much as she needs him.

And I like that you brought up the rest of his subordinates - it definitely is a double standard that people fault Riza for being so devoted while Havoc, Falman, etc. are willing to put their lives on the line for him as well.

I think that, unfortunately, that line in the translation of 95 is throwing people off. Even I was a little put off by it when I initially read it, avid Royai fan that I am, because it made Riza out to be a bit of a fanatic...which she is not. Le sigh.

Off topic, but to satisfy my summertime boredom I have made this for all of you with disdain for the eye-patch:



Feel free to do whatever you want with it, or nothing at all laugh.gif

Kale Mustang
@Kirara Thanks for the super-awesome post as you echo a lot of my sentiments. That's why waiting for fan translations for new chapters and then waiting for the translations from Viz to compare kills me sometimes as I like being able to compare how the dialogue is structured and used between the two versions of the same thing.

And as for the stupid eyepatch...I hate the thing, but I liked Roy's haircut when he wore the eyepatch...strange...
FMAobsessed
@Kirara loved your post. It brought out a lot of good points. I think that Riza will get critizism (sp?) for following Roy sometimes because she is a female. People are use to the female waiting for the male to save them, and be their hero. But Arakawa isn't like that. Some of the bashing of Riza could just be from rabid Roy fangirls. I love Roy, but I know that he belongs to Riza.

@Kale
I didn't like the eyepatch, but for some reason I liked the haircut he had with it. Go figure.

I am glad that a lot of people like my wedding ring scenario. I can see them being formal at work, and having everyone joke with them and ask why are they so formal if they are married?

@hand-made-city
I want a Royai kiss so bad!!!!!
spectator
About Riza being weak, I have my own perspective.

I think that everyone has some weakness. To me, Riza is a woman who has a gentle heart. Otherwise, she won't be serving under Roy. At the same time of obeying Roy's order, she thinks and acts on her own on certain situations. We can see that when she was ordered not to follow Roy when he was pursuing Envy. Riza is not a puppet. Therefore, she has emotions too. Most of the time, we have only witnessed her soldier side rather than her caring self. My guess is that her solemn side was not developed until she became Roy's assistant. Maybe that is why she was seemed to be weak when her true self is unveiled.

You can think it like this: If Riza is so independent until she would not waver even a bit when the one she cares is in danger, she is no longer Riza. Olivia is the great counter example of Riza. I don't think someone like Olivia would want to serve anyone, much less to serve under Roy.

IMO, being Roy's aide is like taking two full time jobs. She even has to take care of Black Hayate. I believe that dog owners know well on how life is to take care of their animal companion while having a work. I think she has done pretty well as an adjutant and that she can still be herself.

I do observe that many fanfics have depicted Riza being undecisive and easily manipulated. I think that it's the authors' choice to write whatever they want in their own fanfics.

About the ending of the manga for Roy and Riza, I dream that it will be like this...

Roy: "So, what's your plan for the future?"
Riza: "Haven't thought about it. but I have submited my resignation."
Roy: *shock* "Why? Is it that bad to be the new Fuhrer's subordinate?"
Riza: "You're fine, sir. My duty was to protect you as you achieve your goal. Now that you have completed your goal, I think it's time for me to search for my own destiny."
Roy: "You have a point. It would be very selfish to order you to stay, wouldn't it?"
Riza: "You won't do that."
Roy: "I want to, but I won't. Future, huh? I definately have thought of it."
Riza: "Really?"
Roy: "Yup! It's all Maes's fault! Come to think of it, maybe it's not that bad to settle down."
Riza: "Maybe."
Roy: "Actually, I have just bought a house. I wonder if she will like it."
Riza: "She?"
Roy: "Yeah! You know her too! I think she will reject me. Althought I have known her for years, We don't really talk much other than about paperwork. We do argue about Black Hayate though."
Riza: "Black Hayate?"
Roy: "That black dog sure has a lot of privileges. A pillow in the Fuhrer's office. Even the Fuhrer's mansion need to space a room for him."
Riza: "Just a second, sir--"
Roy: "I'm sure he will make a mess in that mansion. I bet those furniture will end up being his chew toy."
Riza: "Black Hayate does not chew on furniture, sir."
Roy: "So what do you think?"
Riza: "Sir?"
Roy: "To be Mrs. Mustang?"
Riza: "I..."
Roy: "Black Hayate!"
The black dog ran to Riza with a small red case in his mouth. Riza took it and opened it to find that inside was the gold wedding band.
Riza: "Are you---"
Roy immediately knelt one of his knees, grabbing Riza's hand. "Miss Riza Hawkeye, will you marry me?"

As for the rest, you guys can imagine what will follow. Gyahh! I'm too excited. XD
kkg22104
@spectator: Awww, that was soo sweet! You should totally make that into a fanfic smile.gif

@Aribelle: Lol at "Eye-patches aren't for everyone." I'm with you and everyone else on this one, it just doesn't work for Roy. *shakes head*
Kale Mustang
Eyepatch, not cool but you have to admit, the haircut that went with the eyepatch was pretty awesome. Granted it was probably to cover up the eyepatch, but still, the hair was still really cool. cool.gif


(my hair flops the same way too... tongue.gif)
amestris_star
I prefer Roy's manga hair, personally *sighs happily*

Anyway, discussion here while I was away was awesome, I loved Kirara's and spectator's posts particularly, they have made my day begin with a huge smile biggrin.gif
hand-made-city
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Jun 19 2009, 01:26 AM) *
I prefer Roy's manga hair, personally *sighs happily*

Anyway, discussion here while I was away was awesome, I loved Kirara's and spectator's posts particularly, they have made my day begin with a huge smile biggrin.gif


Now that you mention it, there's always been something about manga-Roy's hair that's really made me love it.. his bangs are a bit shorter than in the anime, so it gives him a more boyish look.......... I dunno, but I really love it! Though I love both versions of Roy. And I feel like the only person who doesn't absolutely hate the eye-patch. Granted I didn't like it really... it's too big for him! But it's only logical that if his eye was injured in the first anime, that he wear an eye-patch. So it's not like he's wearing it just for the heck of it!
Forgiven
QUOTE (hand-made-city @ Jun 19 2009, 01:36 AM) *
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Jun 19 2009, 01:26 AM) *
I prefer Roy's manga hair, personally *sighs happily*

Anyway, discussion here while I was away was awesome, I loved Kirara's and spectator's posts particularly, they have made my day begin with a huge smile biggrin.gif


Now that you mention it, there's always been something about manga-Roy's hair that's really made me love it.. his bangs are a bit shorter than in the anime, so it gives him a more boyish look.......... I dunno, but I really love it! Though I love both versions of Roy. And I feel like the only person who doesn't absolutely hate the eye-patch. Granted I didn't like it really... it's too big for him! But it's only logical that if his eye was injured in the first anime, that he wear an eye-patch. So it's not like he's wearing it just for the heck of it!


I don't absolutely hate it, I'm just not a big fan of it. I just really go back and forth with it. But does he really need it? I doubt that he does. blink.gif
Kale Mustang
I doubt he needed the eyepatch to be that big, they just needed an excuse to make his bangs longer so that it covers up the stupid thing. laugh.gif

But seriously, it was probably just some weird design choice and they wanted the patch to look different than the basic one that Bradley/Pride wore.

Overall though, Roy's manga haircut FTW!
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