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Causmicfire
Thanks Tombow, I was sure you'd have the answers. The Album sounds like the best way to go about getting everything together.

I was actually just wondering about Liz yesterday, hopefully we'll se her soon.
Kale Mustang
@ Tombow: I'll try my best to compile the archive, but unfortunately may have to pass the duty onto someone else if I get too busy with work. I'll of course, let you know in advance, should the need arise.

Just wanted to give you guys fair warning and hope you all understand.

Thanks.
SneakyRuler
QUOTE (Causmicfire @ Jun 14 2009, 07:06 AM) *
Also, true about the vase thing. Once, in a fic I wrote Roy using alchemy to transmute a door out of a hospital, and someone commented "But, he can only make fire, you can't do that."


I wouldn't care about what people say. biggrin.gif If Roy can handle a super advanced kind of alchemy, he can also handle the basics, otherwise he wouldn't pass the written part of State alchemist exam. He can create false Maria Ross corpse, he can manage some vase! ohmy.gif
Tombow
^ @SneakyRuler - I agree! I'm pretty sure Mustang can perform basic alchemy. Yap, we saw that when he created the piggy corpse thingy. smile.gif

@Causmicfire - Yeah, I wish we had some other way. Sorry... Anyway, if think the Album is the best option, then Album it is. ^^

@Kale Mustang - I'm not the organizer, so please consult Causmicfire on that one. ^^
amestris_star
QUOTE (SneakyRuler @ Jun 14 2009, 01:13 PM) *
QUOTE (Causmicfire @ Jun 14 2009, 07:06 AM) *
Also, true about the vase thing. Once, in a fic I wrote Roy using alchemy to transmute a door out of a hospital, and someone commented "But, he can only make fire, you can't do that."


I wouldn't care about what people say. biggrin.gif If Roy can handle a super advanced kind of alchemy, he can also handle the basics, otherwise he wouldn't pass the written part of State alchemist exam. He can create false Maria Ross corpse, he can manage some vase! ohmy.gif


Oh that's for sure. Papa Hawkeye wouldn't have accepted him as an apprentice either if he didn't know how carry out the basics. He's not as specialised as Ed in that (because Roy's specialisation is fire alchemy after all) but he definitely knows the basics.
Turdaewen
That's right!

Although we never see Roy using Alchemy on a daily basis, that doesn't mean he can't do it. He might have his reasons not to (like feeling guilty towards Ishbal). Of course he's not as flexible in his alchemy as Ed, 'cause Ed is a sorta 'do everything but nothing in depth' in terms of Alchemy, but he's definitely skilled in Alchemy basis.
And there's yet one other thing: the homunculi were choosing the brightest alchemists as possible candidates to human sacrifice. If Roy wasn't a brilliant alchemist, he wouldn't even be considered, just like many other alchemists that were put aside by Father.
Not only he was considered, he was also one of the main bets aside from the Elric brothers. Which means he's capable enough in alchemy (even the basis) as to be able to make a human transmutation and open the gate. That sort of alchemy has nothing to do with fire and, even so, they believe he was one of the only people that could pull it off.

So, Roy must definitely know how to fix a radio or a vase or whatever.
jacksparrow589
Agreed. Roy would have to be able to use the basics of alchemy (and thus understand them) to then fiugre out what's going on with flame alchemy. We just don't see him do anything with the basics because it's either not completely neccessary or (stemming from that) there's no time, considering he'd have to draw a circle and all that. (Unlike Ed, Al, Izumi, and Hoho, who have all seen the Truth and thus are the circles themselves.) Roy, Armstrong, and Kimblee all have circles either on their hands or on something that goes on their hands to make it so that that particular circle doesn't have to be redrawn over and over.

It'd be kind of cool to see him do basic alchemy, though. Maybe an extra flashback to Roy's apprenticeship can be stuck in there or something? Or to his State Alchemist exam, when he had to know the basics?
Causmicfire
Yeah, I completely agree that he can use alchemy aside from what we usually see him do, I just thought it was funny that some people think otherwise.

Seconding JackSparrow589 idea for a flashback of his entrance exam XD

Kale Mustang - Take your time, if you need any help let me know.
Tombow
QUOTE (Causmicfire @ Jun 14 2009, 12:30 PM) *
Seconding JackSparrow589 idea for a flashback of his entrance exam XD

Ohhh, I totally wanna see this!! Now that I have finally seen "Father vs Ho-ho" battle scene, that would be my next "squee" moment. XDD
Or..anyone would love to write a fic?? (This would have fit perfectly to "new beginning" theme.. tongue.gif )


ETA:
@Causmicfire - About opening thread(s) for contributed artworks and fics for this year's Royai Day Festival... Besides making our own Album and post it on this thread, how about if ...
* we open one thread in Fanfics forum, for "2009 Royai Day Festival Fanfic Collection," and at the bottom, as an addendum, also list other contributed fanworks, fanart, etc., and also...
* we open a thread in Fanart forum, for "2009 Royai Day Festival Fanart Collection," and at the bottom, as an addendum, also list other contributed fanworks and fanfics, etc...???
Just some "creative" compromise idea... tongue.gif
black~hayate
I have the idea for the fic.
Buuut I'm not good English writer. I can only write well in German.
If I will write it in English, it will be "broken English", so somebody else should write it >D
Turdaewen
QUOTE (Causmicfire @ Jun 14 2009, 01:30 PM) *
Yeah, I completely agree that he can use alchemy aside from what we usually see him do, I just thought it was funny that some people think otherwise.

Seconding JackSparrow589 idea for a flashback of his entrance exam XD

Kale Mustang - Take your time, if you need any help let me know.

Yeah, it is funny. ^^ I can't see any logic in a statement like that. :s

Anyways, Arakawa HAS to give us that scene!!! sad.gif Maybe a flashback on how Roy was accepted as Papa Hawkeye's apprentice... Yeah!!! ^^ and how he first met Riza *.* (starting to daydream, here)
rinoaebastel
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Jun 14 2009, 07:07 PM) *
....Anyways, Arakawa HAS to give us that scene!!! sad.gif Maybe a flashback on how Roy was accepted as Papa Hawkeye's apprentice... Yeah!!! ^^ and how he first met Riza *.* (starting to daydream, here)


actually...I was bothered with very much interested in Roy learing alchemy and his backup history with Riza and her father, and for that im drawing a fancomic about that(yeah it's my curse, when i think something i have to writte or draw it )....but...it's a...well it's...not a perfect thing for not saying other things, but it's a relief for me xD

Umm...it will be interesting if for a chance we can see Roy making "normal" alchemy, who knows, maybe he break his gloves and that...

PS: thanks again for the welcomes, Im very happy to be here (finaly i found and interesting forum about fma and all biggrin.gif)
hand-made-city
QUOTE (rinoaebastel @ Jun 14 2009, 02:13 PM) *
actually...I was bothered with very much interested in Roy learing alchemy and his backup history with Riza and her father, and for that im drawing a fancomic about that(yeah it's my curse, when i think something i have to writte or draw it )....but...it's a...well it's...not a perfect thing for not saying other things, but it's a relief for me xD


Really? What bothered you about that? I'm interested! When I first read the manga after watching the first series, I was very surprised that Roy was Riza's father's apprentice, but I really liked the idea of it and the back-story that was created for Roy and Riza... it didn't bother me at all!
rinoaebastel
QUOTE (hand-made-city @ Jun 14 2009, 10:17 PM) *
QUOTE (rinoaebastel @ Jun 14 2009, 02:13 PM) *
actually...I was bothered with very much interested in Roy learing alchemy and his backup history with Riza and her father, and for that im drawing a fancomic about that(yeah it's my curse, when i think something i have to writte or draw it )....but...it's a...well it's...not a perfect thing for not saying other things, but it's a relief for me xD


Really? What bothered you about that? I'm interested! When I first read the manga after watching the first series, I was very surprised that Roy was Riza's father's apprentice, but I really liked the idea of it and the back-story that was created for Roy and Riza... it didn't bother me at all!


I explain myself very bad. I mean that it bothered in my head how this happening and I didn't see it, but not the fact that Roy learn his alchemy there and from him. I love that thing. More roy and riza interaction yay.
Lol Lol I should learn more english and less study my head is spinning rigth now xD
RoyxRizaFan
I read/wathced/looked at everyone's amazing contributions to RoyAi Day!!!!! Thanks so much for sharing!

Welcome, Neopuff, rinoaebastel, and anyone else I may have missed!
hand-made-city
QUOTE (rinoaebastel @ Jun 14 2009, 05:09 PM) *
I explain myself very bad. I mean that it bothered in my head how this happening and I didn't see it, but not the fact that Roy learn his alchemy there and from him. I love that thing. More roy and riza interaction yay.
Lol Lol I should learn more english and less study my head is spinning rigth now xD


Oh I understand now! Sorry about that!
jacksparrow589
Right, well, the discussion about Roy's State Alchemist exam wouldn't leave me alone. So, this being me, I wrote a fanfic for it. It's nearly 2000 words, does a bit of jumping around, and I think I may have fudged a few facts (and a bit of Roy's character), but we'll just call it artistic license and leave it at that, 'kay? wink.gif

Here it is, if anyone would like to take a look: Days of Reckoning
rinoaebastel
QUOTE (hand-made-city @ Jun 15 2009, 12:23 AM) *
QUOTE (rinoaebastel @ Jun 14 2009, 05:09 PM) *
I explain myself very bad. I mean that it bothered in my head how this happening and I didn't see it, but not the fact that Roy learn his alchemy there and from him. I love that thing. More roy and riza interaction yay.
Lol Lol I should learn more english and less study my head is spinning rigth now xD


Oh I understand now! Sorry about that!


nah, no problem, I should be the one that says sorry. smile.gif
hand-made-city
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Jun 14 2009, 06:49 PM) *
Right, well, the discussion about Roy's State Alchemist exam wouldn't leave me alone. So, this being me, I wrote a fanfic for it. It's nearly 2000 words, does a bit of jumping around, and I think I may have fudged a few facts (and a bit of Roy's character), but we'll just call it artistic license and leave it at that, 'kay? wink.gif

Here it is, if anyone would like to take a look: Days of Reckoning


Yaaay! Wow, you're fast... *goes off to read*
Tombow
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Jun 14 2009, 06:49 PM) *
Right, well, the discussion about Roy's State Alchemist exam wouldn't leave me alone. So, this being me, I wrote a fanfic for it. It's nearly 2000 words, does a bit of jumping around, and I think I may have fudged a few facts (and a bit of Roy's character), but we'll just call it artistic license and leave it at that, 'kay? wink.gif

Here it is, if anyone would like to take a look: Days of Reckoning

@jacksparrow - You made my day!!! Love it!! Thank you!! biggrin.gif
Aribelle
Ooh, nice fic, jacksparrow589! I concur with everyone else, we need to know more about Roy's backstory. There's a fair amount of mystery surrounding his origins, so I hope that some of it will be revealed before the story ends ^^

(If not, we can all just write a lot of fanfiction haha...actually even if it is revealed I still hope to find a lot of fanfiction about it laugh.gif)
Lost_in_translation
~ Would he follow if she was killed, would Roy Mustang die if Riza died? ~

So I do hope this thread won't get closed for some reason coz I'd really like to get some answer on this question that's been bugging me for a while.

We all remember the famous quote: ˝When this battle is over my body will leave this world together with the corpse of the flame alchemist˝ (Riza chap. 95).

So do you think it would've worked the other way around too?




Please don't close this thread I'm dying for answers. If you must at least merge it with some other thread *beggs on knees*
rinoaebastel
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Jun 15 2009, 12:49 AM) *
Right, well, the discussion about Roy's State Alchemist exam wouldn't leave me alone. So, this being me, I wrote a fanfic for it. It's nearly 2000 words, does a bit of jumping around, and I think I may have fudged a few facts (and a bit of Roy's character), but we'll just call it artistic license and leave it at that, 'kay? wink.gif

Here it is, if anyone would like to take a look: Days of Reckoning


wow, it's so good ;D
Tombow
@Lost_in_translation - A couple of notes from me: ^^

1.) Sorry to burst your bubble, but your so-called "famous quote": ˝When this battle is over my body will leave this world together with the corpse of the flame alchemist˝ isn't even in actual FMA chapter 95., per se. Actual FMA chapter 95 raw doesn't include any line about Riza's wish to have her corpse lying next to Roy's corpse. That quote is just some euphuism concocted by some translator for that particular version of translation, (possibly to make his/her translation sounds more dramatic???) It's fine that you enjoy that line, or enjoy reading such scanlation, or even fantasize about it, but please know that that is not actually in the real FMA chapter. biggrin.gif

..FYI, in the actual chapter, Riza simply says, if she ends up killing Roy (in that particular situation where they were in, in chapter 95,) then, once all their battles against their enemies are over, she would kill herself because she does not wish to have her alone going on carrying on the leisurely life. The line, in my interpretation, is not just Riza dying because she ends up killing Roy, but also encompassing far deeper meaning, going all the way back to their guilt of Ishibal war, and their resolution for them, for their generation to carry the "sins of Ishibal war" so that the next generation doesn't have to... her intention of killing herself in that line is not just some romantic "oh, Roy, I can't live without you...," IMO. sleep.gif

2.) I'm not going to "kill" this topic, but I will merge this to "Roy and Riza" discussion thread in a while, since IMO this discussion belongs on that thread. ...in fact, if you go to that thread and find posts around the time when chapter 95 came out, then you will see related discussions about that part of Roy's and Riza's dialogue there. smile.gif
Lost_in_translation
Oh I guess I was reading the wrong scanlation. But I was reading the one at onemanga.com huh.gif tongue.gif

Anyway thanks for merging my thread. And thanks even more for claryfying stuff about me. I can get a bit confused and when that mixes up with my fantasies it can get pretty wild. Although I actually prefer your interpretation coz it really deepens their relationship. It goes beyond that simple: ˝I can't live without you so I'll just shoot myself.˝ It's really almost poetic.


Thanks again Tombow-san! wink.gif
Tombow
@Lost_in_translation - You're welcome! ^^ If you like reading discussions about Roy and Riza, I highly recommend to stick around on "Royai" thread, because the thread has many very good discussions on Roy and Riza. biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Lost_in_translation @ Jun 15 2009, 10:36 AM) *
Oh I guess I was reading the wrong scanlation. But I was reading the one at onemanga.com huh.gif tongue.gif

And, reading it at that site supposed to mean anything? Like, as if to guarantee some kind of legitimacy as to the content of the scanlation? LOL!!!!!! If anything, if you read it on Onemanga.com, that means you can NOT trust what you've read to be the actual content of that chapter. XDDD tongue.gif

Here are some cautionary words about believing what you read on onemanga.com... first, I'm very VERY grateful for the services that site is providing for all the FMA fans... however... please know that, from what I see, the most significant factor for the scanlation to get on that site seems to be SPEED, and not the quality of the scanlation work, nor the accuracy of the translation in the scanlation, as, I think, that site just put on whatever the first scanlation submitted for that chapter. Hence, often the FMA scanaltion seen there are the ones made with the LEAST amount of time (and it shows, as most of them rarely have any sound effect edit or any other quality scanlation works done) Nor checking for any accuracy of the translation. In fact, over the past, I had seen FMA chapter scanlations with some outrageously inaccurate translations posted there, and some of them were even to the point of altering FMA story line, such as ..stating that Amerstris was (at the time of that scanlation) at war against some country called "Donpachi," in fact that was a complete mistranslation of the word "donpach" which was just a Japanese word for describing a sound of canon & gun. >.< In other words, I or you could, possibly catch a chapter raw as soon as it comes out, then quickly fill in all the bubbles with just bogus made-up conversations, and submit it there, and that might possibly get posted as the FMA chapter scanlation for that chapter. Hope you keep that in mind when reading any FMA scanlations there. Enjoy reading them as some kind of FMAish creations "based on" FMA chapters, but don't believe everything you read there as the actual contents of real FMA chapters. smile.gif

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ETA: Thread merged. WELCOME to the Royai thread!! biggrin.gif

...BTW, please don't forget to include the proper credit for your avatar and sig if those are NOT made by you, or using fanart done by artist other than you. Please read this post for all the explanations about providing the proper credit to the fanartists for your signature and avatar. smile.gif
crazyanimefan
Yes, I've realized that as well on OneManga. I usually go there just for a speed-read of the basic jist of the chapter and then I come here and find someone else's translation of the raw since the translators here are very meticulous about their work. wink.gif

@jack: Yay! Fic! It makes me happy.
Kirara
Another example of why I wish people wouldn't take translations so literally.

Not on here but on a LJ site called Fandom Secrets I saw people calling Riza weak because she said she would die if Roy died. However she never actually said this. Character bashing annoys me to begin with but when it happens because of translations it upsets me even more. And sadly I see it happen a lot.
amestris_star
QUOTE (Kirara @ Jun 15 2009, 08:48 PM) *
Another reason why I wish people wouldn't take translations so literally.

Not on here but on a LJ site called Fandom Secrets I saw people calling Riza weak because she said she would die if Roy died. However she never actually said this. Character bashing annoys me to begin with but when it happens because of translations it upsets me even more. And sadly I see it happen a lot.


Oh darn, really? Ugh. Well, that translation was a bit over the top I must admit, it was so blatently Royai that it made even myself (an ardent Royai fanatic) gasp. I mean... fine, they may hint at things, but neither him nor her would be that blatent in front of others, particularly considering that there was: 1. a Homunculus and 2. Ed and Scar. And... Riza would never admit blatently anything about Roy, especially if she recalls her faceoff with Pride earlier on.
Aribelle
The thing with the speed scanlators for a lot of the popular series is that many - not all of them use the same two translators, and since onemanga isn't the only site that hosts scans by the groups that release quickly you're really going to find those translations wherever you go to read manga. So the group that gets their scan out the fastest is probably using one of those two translations, and even if the site switches out the scan for a more HQ one as they come out more often than not you're still going to find the same translation.

There has been a lot of debate about how many liberties translators should be allowed to take, and honestly I don't care since they're doing us a service, but I mean to each his own.

Back on topic...

Do I think that Roy would kill himself if Riza died? Well...in short, no. I don't doubt that he would be really, REALLY upset, but I think that he would realize that, unless she died of circumstances completely unrelated to supporting him, she basically would have died for him to advance his dream, and so he himself dying would render her death to be in vain. I think instead he would feel that much more obligated to achieve his goals for her sake.
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (Aribelle @ Jun 15 2009, 01:15 PM) *
Back on topic...

Do I think that Roy would kill himself if Riza died? Well...in short, no. I don't doubt that he would be really, REALLY upset, but I think that he would realize that, unless she died of circumstances completely unrelated to supporting him, she basically would have died for him to advance his dream, and so he himself dying would render her death to be in vain. I think instead he would feel that much more obligated to achieve his goals for her sake.


It's hard to answer that... With Maes gone, Roy's main source of support was Riza and she helped him to get back on his feet. If she were gone as well, it's hard to determine what kind of state Roy would be in. Mentally, I think he'd be able re-focus his efforts and try to move on towards his goals to honor both Riza and Maes but emotionally...it's hard to say. Do I think he'd be willing to perform a transmutation - no, do I think he'd be suicidal - no, but do I think he would just shut down emotionally...possibly.
amestris_star
The only adjective I can find fitting for him should that ever happen is - empty. Plain empty.
hand-made-city
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Jun 15 2009, 05:48 PM) *
The only adjective I can find fitting for him should that ever happen is - empty. Plain empty.


Empty is a good way to describe how Roy would probably feel if Riza were to die. Especially if it was for his sake. I'd imagine that he'd feel pretty hopeless in that situation, being faced with the homunculi alone and suffering from the loss of his subordinates (although they did end up abandoning the military for him, but either way, they aren't in much of a position to help him the way Riza does. And Havoc is mostly out of commission.) Roy would have much less to fall back on, so he'd probably feel really empty and alone.
crazyanimefan
QUOTE (hand-made-city @ Jun 15 2009, 05:01 PM) *
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Jun 15 2009, 05:48 PM) *
The only adjective I can find fitting for him should that ever happen is - empty. Plain empty.


Empty is a good way to describe how Roy would probably feel if Riza were to die. Especially if it was for his sake. I'd imagine that he'd feel pretty hopeless in that situation, being faced with the homunculi alone and suffering from the loss of his subordinates (although they did end up abandoning the military for him, but either way, they aren't in much of a position to help him the way Riza does. And Havoc is mostly out of commission.) Roy would have much less to fall back on, so he'd probably feel really empty and alone.


Empty...that's a great adjective to describe Roy in that situation. I dont think he'd take his own life because I think that Riza would want him to keep living (and vice versa), but still, she was one of his greatest supports and it would be a heavy blow.
Kale Mustang
Yeah, though whatever the case may be, I don't think the manga version of Roy would be like the Roy from the first series should anything happen to Riza.
KidAkabane
He sure as heck wouldn't fly away on a hotair ballon, that's for sure. tongue.gif
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (KidAkabane @ Jun 15 2009, 04:50 PM) *
He sure as heck wouldn't fly away on a hotair ballon, that's for sure. tongue.gif


Though the giving up his commission could be a possibility if he achieved his goals by straying from the path...
hand-made-city
QUOTE (KidAkabane @ Jun 15 2009, 07:50 PM) *
He sure as heck wouldn't fly away on a hotair ballon, that's for sure. tongue.gif


The hot-air balloon was quite funny, actually. tongue.gif
KidAkabane
I agree, it was totally halarious. But still. XD And yeah, I can see the giving up the commision thing happening.
Aribelle
I agree that he would probably be empty and he would just not be the same person. He's pretty emotional as it is, so her death is something I don't think he could ever bounce back from. But I think he would still work that much harder to make what they wanted to happen with the country a reality, so I couldn't see him giving up his commission.
hand-made-city
laugh.gif Alright, sorry I'm DYING laughing all of a sudden... I keep picturing Roy going up in that hot-air balloon over and over in my mind now that we've had this conversation!! Ahhh I need to go watch the movie again.... too bad my computer's dvd drive is broken and so is my tv......

Actually I have something else to talk about... I was just reading a curious Royai fanfic, and the author left a note at the beginning of the fic, reacting to chapter 57 where we first see Riza's tattoo. The author said something like 'Noo I hope Riza doesn't turn out to be evil or something!!' and it just struck me as strange. I started reading the manga when it was already on chapter 85, so nothing in chapter 57 and on really came as a shock to me because I had already heard of it. For those of you that were reading way back then, what was your first reaction to Riza's tattoo? It wasn't as extreme as this author's 'Riza might be evil' reaction, was it??


PS: Why does the forum change the word random to curious........? Or is my mind playing tricks on me?
FMAobsessed
@hand-made-city I was honestly very surprised by Riza's tatoo. I didn't expect that whatsoever. But I am glad that Arakawa put it in because it gave Roy and Riza a backstory. And the main reason why they are so devoted to each other.

I would never want a Roy floating away on a balloon scene again. Because I had read in Newtype US (I believe) that fans wouldn't be disappointed in the Roy and Riza ending. So I thought "WHOO Hell yeah! Maybe something will be officallly confirmed. But no, they don't even say like 10 words to each other. Honestly even Havoc and Breda spoke to Roy longer than Riza did in the movie.

It might not have been so bad, if they had at least shown flashbacks of Roy deciding to give up alchemy and go to the snow region. Or a Roy and Riza reuniting after he got to the ground in the balloon. The ending of the movie showed Armstrong playing with those children in front of Pinako's house. Why wasn't there a Royai moment there? My only explanation is that Roy is still floating in that hot air balloon because he is afraid of what Riza will do to him when he lands.

My pointless rant has made me feel better.

Does anyone think that Wrath will attack Roy or Riza? I think that it is plausible because he does say that he will take care of the flame alchemist.

http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/39/41/ Bradley is ready to kill Roy there, but stops when he sees how Roy and Riza behave around one another.

Finally, why does everything I reference about Roy and Riza always goes back to chapter 39?
Tombow
Nooo... Roy floating away on a balloon... bad bad memory of FMA movie. >.<

QUOTE (hand-made-city @ Jun 15 2009, 11:43 PM) *
Why does the forum change the word random to curious........? Or is my mind playing tricks on me?

@hand-made-city - No, it's not your mind playing tricks on you. XD The forum filter really does change that word to "curious." XD
It is because... for a while, some members kept using the word "random" quite many times, even for things that weren't even random, and one of the board staff had a pissyfit was fed up with it, and requested to put the word filter on it to discourage members from using the word (or, so I heard.) XD
jacksparrow589
Aribelle, hand-made-city, Tombow, rinoaebastel, and crazyanimefan--Thanks! It really does mean a lot to me that people take the time to read (and think about) what we fanfic authors put out there!

About (not-so-)loose translations: A lot of the discrepancies in translations seem to be the ones that make it more dramatic. (In some cases, this borders on the absurd.) I can see where some lines come from.

Example: getting "Don't go where I can't follow" from... um... I forget the exact wording of Tombow's translation, but I know it had nothing to do with Riza following Roy. It had to do with not becoming like an animal, i.e. running with the revenge instinct. Riza, presumably not quite as close to Maes as Roy, has a bit more of a level head at this point, and thus is not going to kill Envy just for revenge. Also, she's not going to just let Roy obey his animal instinct ("Don't go..."), nor will she join in on the revenge killing ("...where I can't follow!"), should it come to that. She's pleading with him not to do what he's about to do, and I think that both translations capture that particular essence of the line. I appreciate both versions very much, and it's pretty interesting to see what sort of differences there are.

About Roy after Riza's death: Whoever said he'd be empty, I agree. He's not going to be stupid enough to try and bring her back, and he knows darn well he's got a mission to complete, but Riza's quite the anchor for Roy. He'd probably feel a great degree of guilt for getting her into everything in the first place, and would connect that to how things ended up. I actually wonder if he'd be kept going by Ed's debt to him, as Ed himself keeps Roy on the path from time to time.

Pfft... Hot air balloons... *bursts out laughing*

Wrath attack?: Mmm... iono. I just have this weird "that's not going to happen" feeling. After all, Wrath's been proven more susceptible to human emotion than the other homunculi. I have no idea how this would really work, but it might have something to do with Mrs. Bradley being a higher priority than Roy and Riza at the moment. Again, I just have this gut feeling of "no". But I've been known to be wrong on more than one occasion.
Causmicfire
@hand-made-city - the only thing I could think of around chapter 57 that would make Riza seem evil is the omake that came with the volume containing that chapter.

In it Riza's excited to go to a public bath-house(The viz translation has her thinking, It'll be fun to go there after work with music notes around her .) Then, there's a sign saying no one with tattoos is allowed in...at this point Scar is sulking with her (with a rubber ducky in his soap basket XD), so she tells him. "Destroy it." Scar: "Huh" Riza: "Destroy this stupid bath-house." [in little writing=Make it go kaboom with your right hand] Scar: "W-Wait, are you sure!?" Riza: "You're a terrorist anyway, so if you get caught problem solved." Scar: "Hey, wait a second!"

Favorite omake, aside from the Lust "Solaris" & Jean on a date one.

Anyway, that's the only thing that I thing could make her seem evil, but it's an omake, we aren't supposed to take that as being part of a character's personality.

As for how Roy would feel if Riza died. I do agree he would feel guilty if she died for his cause, and in fact upset for a while, but I think her death would make him really want to get what he's aiming for.

If he was at her side while she was dying, though the fluff writer/shipper in me may want it, I doubt her last words will be anything over their relationship, but something about his dreams, and how he better continue on that path she was following him on, without her to point the gun at his back, he would have to be sure to draw it on himself, or make sure it would never come to that.
Tombow
QUOTE (Causmicfire @ Jun 16 2009, 12:41 AM) *
.. the only thing I could think of around chapter 57 that would make Riza seem evil is the omake that came with the volume containing that chapter.

In it Riza's excited to go to a public bath-house(The viz translation has her thinking, It'll be fun to go there after work with music notes around her .) Then, there's a sign saying no one with tattoos is allowed in...at this point Scar is sulking with her (with a rubber ducky in his soap basket XD), so she tells him. "Destroy it." Scar: "Huh" Riza: "Destroy this stupid bath-house." [in little writing=Make it go kaboom with your right hand] Scar: "W-Wait, are you sure!?" Riza: "You're a terrorist anyway, so if you get caught problem solved." Scar: "Hey, wait a second!"

Favorite omake, aside from the Lust "Solaris" & Jean on a date one.

Bwahaha, that one is my fav omake also. XD

Ok, I found the scanlation: "Riza gets mad at bathhouse" Omake
(not a Viz version, tho. I don't have the scan of Viz version. :P)

@Causmicfire - Umm.. could you check out my post, and see what you think..?? ^^
hand-made-city
@Tombow
OH! That makes a lot of sense. It's the second time it happened to me, so I got really confused!

@Causmicfire
I can't think of a reason to believe Riza is evil because of that tattoo either... guess that person was just really really surprised! And btw, that omake is probably one of my favorites!! So funny!
Causmicfire
Tombow - That's a good idea too, with this being thesuperbusyweekofgraduations(my sister's graduating from highschool, so we've got five extra people to house + family being home means outings, catching up, & reminiscing), I probably won't get around to it until Wednesday night. Though, I can start compiling a list of links in word.

So, say I opened a fanart thread, in the addendum would I list the fanfic/icons & banners with or without their links or just mention them with a link to the thread they're in?


Oh, and for translations, I like to take them all, even the official ones(because Viz kept mentioning Ed's watch as being gold), with a grain of salt.
Aribelle
-__-'' Viz's translations have had some inconsistencies what with spelling names and such, as I'm sure others have noticed...I personally like to read as many translations as I can and go from there...

And the Spanish translation has the same "I will leave this world with the body of the Flame Alchemist" line, although it was actually translated from the same English translations lol. Nevermind.

Anyway, when I learned about Riza's tattoo I definitely didn't think she was evil, although I was like "how mysterious!!" lol. Well, maybe not exactly like that but you get the picture tongue.gif
Tombow
@Causmicfire - It's very gracious of you for taking up the task of making the lithreads with the lists. Please take all your time. Your sister's graduation, and family outings, etc. are more important, IMO. biggrin.gif And, as for the addendum, I would probably list the whole thing, with the link for each piece and all XDD But, please make however you feel like it, and that would be quite fine, IMO. ^^

@Aribelle - Yeah, I think Spanish and Portuguese ones use that English one, then translate that. ^^

And, yeah, Viz was bad for a while, too. XDD

About Riza's tattoo... it didn't make me think Riza was evil... I was plainly fascinated by the design. smile.gif
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