If Riza's dad made a transmutation, we can't know exactly yet.
But if he did, maybe Papa Hawkeye lost some veins conected with his heart and more other veins related with some organ which help create emoctions (brain?) , because if u think, if he tried to transmutate Riza's mom he just want his part of love back, and if she died from disease, she just will suffer more if she continues alive, so the true said: Stop to be selfish, now u will be like her, u'll be sick! And all the love u can give for your daughter will be take from you, so u can continue the rest of your life alone. (a little dramatic, but ok, it's the true)

And this theory about Papa Hawkeye made a humam transmutation can be true because even with all the skils he had, he don't want to be a "dog of the military". Maybe he knew something about the homunculi plans? Or he just had afraid from what the military can do with him and Riza if them discover about the humam transmutation? (more probaly)

Oh god.. so many things to think about

C'mom 95!!!!

Makika--That doesn't follow, though. Ed lost a leg trying to get his mom back. shouldn't he have lost feature that was distinctly his mother's? (Playing devil's advocate, here.)

I wonder if Mr. Hawkeye had something somewhat natural, like a really bad case of pneumonia or tuberculosis or something, and just refused to see a doctor.

But I like your guys' theories better--much more intriguing.

Oh, and the fanarts are lovely.

About Riza's burn and shoulder injury: One would assume that, unless she was burned there recently, that burn is pretty well healed and just left a scar. I mean, that large a mass of scar tissue's probably somewhat more brittle than regular skin, but we're talking ten(-ish?) years ago that that happened. It would be more a discoloration and a lack of elasticity than anything by now.

@jacksparrow589: that's a good point. Though I guess you could see it as his mother was his support in life, and he just wanted that back, but when he tried to bring her back to life, he symbolically lost that support by loosing his leg. And about the burn, yeah, it was awhile ago, it's fine, it's the wound I'm worried about.

When Papa Hawkeye said: "I am a human who died a long time ago." for me he meant that he died along with Riza's mother and I thought about human transmutation too, but if it's true Arakawa just have to go back to him, she won't leave it like this...Or maybe we are just searching too deep and it' as jacksparrow589 said - just simple illness.

BTW, remember what I said page ago, you know, thet FMA ends at the end of this year or next spring. I got a reply, this interview was in the June '08 issue of Eureka (ユリイカ）. Uh, I have no idea if it's true but still there's at least a title of magazine so someone can check it...

Interview or not... I have been thinking that it's going to end within a year.
(I hate to say it and makes my heart cringe in pain, but that's like it most probably).

Okay, good news and bad news about the magazine article.

Good news - I did find the actual website, and find the June issue's page. And yes, Hiromu Arakawa WAS in an interview.

Bad news - I can't find any link to the actual article. I'll keep trying...

True, true, there was an interview - http://www.seidosha.co.jp/index.php?%A5%DE...%B7%C5%B8%B3%AB
Still I can't find it too...I found out only that it's about Arakawa herself and there are few things about FMA so nothing we don't know. Gah, It'd be way easier if I'd know Japanese xP
Thanks DistantBlue for searching~!

Alzea--Funny... Usually I make things bigger than they should be. It's just that the cause of Mr. Hawkeye's death is so sketchy that illness (and possibly suicide--or did we disprove that?) can't be ruled out at this point.

amestris_star--Unless the pages are either just packed with action (which I would not object to) or the ending is very anti-climactic (OBJECTION!), I'd give FMA more than a year to go. Not much more, though. Personally, I can't see more than about 2 years at this point. Also, we'll still be waiting for official releases in our own countries after FMA is done in magazines, plus FMA: Brotherhood could go on for a while.

Well, to tell you the truth, the longer the better. I wouldn't mind another 2 years of FMA either

Wow, interesting discussion going on about Papa Hawkeye. I have nothing to add to it, but man that was fun to read about. You guys have some sweet theories going on here.

Kale Mustang - LOL, sweet name change!

Thanks to everyone who posted more fan art! Love it!

And about FMA ending, I'll be crying for sure, both because I'll be like, "OMG that was the best story I've ever read" (I have faith in Arakawa, and it already is, so...) and then I'll cry more like, "I can't believe no more FMA!"

Because it really is one of the best stories I've read. Unlike other shounen mangas, it isn't all about beating the living $#!+ out of people. It's also about personal growth, overcoming obstacles in life, and overall just working hard to achieve what you want. The relatoinships are a hell lot more realistic in this than any other shounen manga, concerning family, friends, and romance, and I can picture myself actually meeting people like them because they're all so true to life, and easy to relate to and understand. It really is one of the most well written stories, and I'm going to miss it like crazy when its done.

Sorry, that little side rant was off-topic...

Ooh! Interesting conversation about Daddy Hawkeye! I do wish we'd have a flashback about him or something, to show some of his backstory or how he managed to persuade Riza to bear that tattoo (I don't think she jumped in the air in joy when he asked her to be a walking textbook!)

Also, I always wondered if Mr Hawkeye's aversion to the military has something to do with his possible human transmutation. Technically, through the State Alchemists program, the Homonculi are searching for humans who have seen the Truth, so maybe they tried to enroll him and he found out a bit about the corruption of the government? Just throwing an idea here.

As for the toll in human transmutation (Ed's leg, Izumi's organs, etc.), they were taken as payment for seeing the truth, not for the human transmutation itself. The longer you stay in the Doors of Truth, the bigger toll you pay (like Al. Ed said he probably saw more of what was behind the Doors than him, but that Al doesn't remember it because of shock). Well, I think it goes like that, but I could be mistaken...

(And Kale Mustang, your icon is adorable! Where did you find it?)

Andie--I think you're right about what Ed said about Al seeing the Truth, or at least that Al forgot because of the shock.

I have to wonder if, since Riza was the only other person around, (and probably a relatively obedient child) Mr. Hawkeye basically told her she had no choice but to bear the secrets. That tattoo can't've been started when she was too young, though--wouldn't it warp as she grew? Perhaps Riza's doctrines came mainly from her father, so she was easy to sway? She was tired of watching her father suffer? I don't know... But I'd really like to!

Hi there, royai fans! My name is SneakyRuler and I am a hopeless case of Roy and Riza obsessed person but most of the time I try to hide it really hard
And now, here comes my dilemma: I just realized that Royai is not a canon thing in the manga! Though Hawkeye obviously is in love there's no proof that Mustang feels the same whatsoever! He just seems to be concerned about Rizas's safety... which only says he cares about his subordinate/teacher's daghter *runs to hide somewhere safe*

Papa Hawkeye: Funny, I always believed papa Hawkeye just died of tuberculosis... Yes, he was in his alchemy research too deep (years ago, before he finished his flame alchemy.... what did he do after that? ) I like the truth teory somehow.


Somebody mentioned dark side effects of the alchemy which is an appealing thought as well. If you take the whole positive/negative flow energy Scar's brother talked about, you suddenly find out, that all of Amestris alchemy is powered by a philosopher's stone made out of people who died very painfully plus the stone was manufactured just like the Amestris one is being formed - including the "crest of blood" thing... so here you have the dark energy every alchemist in Amestris is using.

Thank you everyone for the compliments regarding my avatars.

For those wanting to know where I got them here's the site: mikka

And for reference, yes, I've made avatars from the entire thing (there's six total).

I'll probably rotate to another avatar in the near future.

I have to agree with you about it not being at too young of an age, for the same reasons. I always got a feeling that he might of tricked her in some way.

"Come help daddy with some research"

Riza being eager to please, get some attention from her usually detached father, agrees.

Then, he tells her she promised to help him when she tries to back out. Guilts her into it.

Makes him sound just as bad as Tucker

I keep thinking it wasn't on her back until right after Roy joined the military. Mr. Hawkeye probably had some hope of passing it on to his student, but when he left, he didn't want all his research to go to waste, Riza was there, and became his living paper to put ink onto.

Mr. Hawkeye is definitely an interesting character, and I would like to learn more about him, but until he is in some way proven to be more than the man that put his child through something like that, I can't like him.

Also, Welcome to our ever-growing thread SneakyRuler!

That's how I'd guess it happened. I doubt he'd have used physical force to restrain her. Chances are she just wanted a little love from daddy.

And yes, it does make him sound as bad as Tucker.

As for what age she was... I'd reckon Causmicfire's right, he did it just after Roy joined the Military. And she'd have been what age? Depends what age you can join the military at (I've always assumed 16. Which could make her around 13? Maybe?)

Well, I kind of stopped growing when I was twelve, except for an inch or so (I'm short!). So I guess that could work. The backs a good place for it because it wouldn't stretch as much as it would elsewhere on the body. Though it must have been excruciating! I got a small tattoo on my back a while ago and it was so painful! And she'd have had to go through it more than once, adding different bits at a time...



Agreed. Sort of. I hate him as a father, but as a character to theorise about... I love him!

Yo SneakyRuler, nobody wants to throw stones at you, don't worry =D
I don't get people who are believing that Roy doesn't feel anything for Riza, but Riza does.
Why do people believe, she is hopelessly in love with Roy? She behaves like a good subordinate has to behave!
Well, but if there are no feelings from both sides... then why does Roy feel jealous about Barry the chopper?
Why he noticed, something is wrong with her after her and Pride's encounter, even if she diddn't even said anything?
There are tons of why. If people read the manga carefully, they'll notice that Riza cares for Roy alot. AND that Roy cares about Riza alot, too. More than comrades, colleagues, friends and war buddies do =D.


Guys, have you noticed, that thread falls asleep? I mean, one week ago we filled three pages in one day. Now we are filling this page for three days...

So true, so true and how they look at each other sometimes (maybe it's just me but for example - chapter 47 - in volume 12, page 72) or when Riza is scolding Roy/Roy is scolding Riza when one of them did something dangerous, yes, maybe I'm fanatic but still~!

Huh, dunno, I won't be that often around since it's May, i'll be busy, I'm ending school this year so I have to work harder next month (I mean in May) to get some good grades at the end xD Still when we have good topic there are many pages filled, remember, within two weeks new chapter will come out, it's possible there will be royai so don't worry, there will be talking, a lot of x]

Hmm, that too.
Also, I read a book a while ago, The Alchemist`s Daughter (the Katharine McMahon one, there`s like a million novels with the same name.), where the heroine`s father died in a similar fashion (if I`m remembering correctly) and they chalked it up to the many years of inhaling/tasting/smelling caustic chemicals that he worked with. And grief. So there`s that possibility too.
Also...

...best use of that meme ever.

Well, on my end, I go to sleep when most of you guys are awake and vice versa...

And in regards to what exactly Papa Hawkeye died from, I'll probably go with either TB or years of inhaling all those caustic chemicals while performing research.

Ironically enough...in an alternate FMA situation ( it was technically a recasted thing with Roy taking the place of Edward) project that I was working on with a friend around this time last year, Old Papa Hawkeye did more or less get the role of Tucker. ^^;

And also, welcome to the thread, SneakyRuler! ^^

I wish I could post more on this thread as I was doing last week, because I love all of our discussions. Only problem is that May is the end of the college semester, and I have final projects, final papers, and final exams coming up in the next two weeks. So sadly I won't be on as often as I would like. But when news of chapter 95 comes out, which will be the week of my finals, I will drop everything and live on this site.

I think we got tired of reading so much... lol Kidding. XD

I think there are as many proofs that Roy has 'special feelings' towards Riza as it is the other way around. Roy still blames himself about what he did to Riza probably just as much as he blames himself for Hughes' death. Maybe even more!
And there are also the obvious things like being jealous towards Barry the Chopper, he running to save Riza from Gluttony, and also, which I think was the strongest as of yet: he was more upset about being apart from Riza than any of his others subordinates. He even got depressed about it. It was Riza who 'cut the strings' to protect Roy when she went to work to the Fuhrer, a lot more than Roy. I guess if it was up to him, he would have called her non stop.

And she's probably the only woman you don't see him flirtatious with. He makes fun of her, sometimes, as in chapter 93, but he never plays her around the way he usually does with other woman. He respects her more than anybody else (which makes the yelling at her last chapter even the more serious and scary)

If you are as big of a fan as I think you are, I have one word for you: multitask.

My favorite thing to do while writing my final papers was to have my media player (either quicktime or VLC) docked & always on top near the bottom left-hand corner of my screen. I'd write, watch, check my sources, watch, write & then repeat the process until the paper was done.

I think my A's were well-deserved.

Maybe Arakawa based Papa Hawkeye's background (from what we know of it) off of that book?

Thanks for the welcome greetings and for bringing some evidence. My friend's just started to say ominous things like "Mustang's gonna end up with General Armstrong, mind my words" and I found it funny in the beginning but then I (I guess) panicked



Totally agree with you on this ;D Now all they must do is to survive and live happily ever after...

(Though, on the other way, in the Gluttony incident, he would've probably rushed to save any member of his group.)

Forgiven, the publication date for the book was 2006, which I think was after that chapter came out. Though, I gotta say, there were some striking similarities in that novel to Riza`s own back story. A young girl lives in an old, breaking down estate with her emotional distant father. Mother is long dead. The father is described as being completely involved in his scientific and alchemical research to actually be a father to the heroine. Then one day, a young, handsome bro comes waltzing in like "sup, teach me alchemy." (if I`m recalling this right, I think part of the reason he wanted to study it was because he was a merchant and wanted to prevent/control(?) the breakout of fires on his ship). He also had sneakier, ulterior motives. The heroine falls in love with him and leaves dad, who realizes how much of his relationship with his daughter was wasted and croaks. But then the whole 3/4 rest of the book is something completely different. Though it`s fun to see terms like homunculous and chimera being used outside of FMA. Also, bringing back the dead is a big theme.

@Kale Mustang: Oh trust me I am a huge fan of FMA. And I am multitasking I am typing a 15 page paper, finding resources, and exploring the threads on this website.

I agree with all of Royai evidence. Especially the one about Roy freaking out that Riza was taking to be under the Fuhrer's personal aid. I have mentioned this before probably fifty pages ago, but after the Lust fight, Wrath was all ready to kill all of them, but he saw the way Roy and Riza reacted and protected one another, that he decided to instead keep Riza as a hostage to keep Roy in line. I think Roy was upset that all of his subordinates were removed from under him and transferred, but his reaction when Wrath tells him that Riza is his personal aid (I don't know what chapter that is) was pure shock. I mean it wasn't like Wrath was like,

"Oh by the way I made Breda my personal assistant."
Roy: "WHAT NO! I AM IN IMMENSE SHOCK!"

I don't think I've laughed this hard in a while.

@Kale Mustang & FMAobsessed - Oddly, I'm most productive in fandom when I'm taking classes. Procrastinating/need a break/bored in class=fanfic/icons.

Me reacting to FMAobsessed's suggestion about if it was Breda instead of Riza: then then I just cracked up. Then I started hacking from all the gunk in my respiratory system from allergies. I'm okay, though. Still smilin'.

Welcome, SneakyRuler! Yeah, Roy definitely cares for all of his subordinates, but I think it's a special case with Riza. (Obviously, or I wouldn't be here.) There are just certain subtle things, no huge displays of affection. A couple general reasons: 1) Shonen manga tends to be quite a bit less mushy than shojo, and 2) acting on feelings even just a little bit tells the enemy who's important to you. Sure, Maes knew dangerous info, but he was also close to Roy, and his death sent out a powerful message: "Don't stick your nose into this, because we know how to make you suffer, and it's not by killing you. At least, not at first."

Oh, and did anybody mention the "they took my queen" and "Elizabeth-chan was taken by another man" moments? BLATANT ROYAI!

And... *drumroll* the most recent chapter: I know this isn't the official translation, but the one on OneManga has Roy saying, "That's one of my dearest subordinates you're attacking." Yes, yes, this implies that there may be more than one, but I think we all know what's really meant by that.

Roy & co. are a very close-knit unit, but there are just some things that say there's more to Roy and Riza's relationship than you'd see at first glance. The "Royai Manifesto" was posted quite a few pages back, but I'm sure you can find it either on here or searching Google or something.

On the slowness of the thread: I'm with Kale. I live on the West Coast, so I'm probably off a few time zones from most of you guys. I also have school and work during the day, and the school computers block this site, unfortunately. I do try to check at least once a day, though.

Heh, that's how I made time pass during lectures...fanfic notes in the margins of my notebooks.

Oh and jacksparrow589, West Coast fo life!

I'm at work all day...and yet I post on this site to procrastinate (luckily the site isn't blocked at work) from actually doing work...

Oh God, the Breda thing just killed me XD I started my work day with a smile, thank you very much However, in spite of being hilarious, that is so true. I mean, I'm sure that if Bradley had chosen say, Fuery or Falman as his PA, well... he definitely wouldn't have had THAT kind of reaction. He was... shocked and pissed at the same time, hence the chess analogy and the "Queen a.k.a Riza" taken away from him. Ahahah, Christmas and Grumman are on the same levels of Royai fangirl/boy-ism, they do it on purpose with Roy. And yes, Roy after all says:
"Elizabeth-chan was taken by another man" is so blatently Royai >D

And in relation to Chapter 94... that translation makes me such a happy person, well, I thinkn his dearest subordinates would be Riza and Maes (well...) and Jean, followed closely by the rest of his group. I consider those three, someone, on a different level from the others.

Ah, and welcome to all new posters in the thread, all Royai-obsessed people are welcome >D

SneakyRuler, don't be so pessimistic! It's time to believe in Riza's feminine charm and that it's affecting on Roy very much!
There's been so many hints on RoyAi, already mentioned and many more, that you don't have to worry
And let's have trust in Mrs. Arakawa! She just can't let us down at the end of the manga!

And do you think that if, say, Breda was at the mercy of Gluttony he would have reacted that way?
I don't think so.

Welcome, SneakyRuler!!

I agree with others that Wrath knows how much Riza means to Roy, and I think it's also shown with Roy's "they took my Queen" comment. And, on more lighter note, I enjoyed watching Roy going jealous annoyed when No. 66 (Barry the chopper) fell in love with Riza.


@JS - Mmmm... yeah, mummmm. XDD I know what Roy says in the raw in that scene, and let me just note that that's just one of many plausible ways to interpret that word by Roy. ^^
And, since we're on the subject, let me add some precautionary words because I keep seeing people quoting bubbles from FMA chapter scanlation they read on OneManga ... Please note that, as far as I know, usually OneManga takes the first scanlation submitted for each chapter as the chapter scanlation for that manga, and put that on the site REGARDLESS of the quality of the scanlation or the accuracy of the translation. Hence, if you're going to quote from some scanlation there, or seeing someone quoting it, please keep in mind that, unless you check the accuracy of the translation in some other way, there is no guarantee that the dialogue you read there is actually what's written in the raw. ^^

OT:
@FMAobsessed - Gonna miss seeing more of you here, but, of course school comes first. ^^ Good luck with all your papers and projects and final exams!!

Aww, jealous Roy, want to see this animated~!
About translation, now I'm curious how they're going to translate it in Polish version, oh, well, probably something great will come out of this x]
I wonder, are they going to hint royai in the new anime? I mean, you know, this little things, when they look at each other and all...

OT:
Oh, Miverel, you're from Poland too^^
Good luck, FMAobsessed~!

Would be alot of fun if the new game would have Royai!
Imagine~
In the new omake were hints that the most women will be with the new prince instead of Roy.
Now imagine Riza talking about the new prince guy in front of Roy >D.

The oficial picture to the game (somewhere on this forum, ya all know what I mean) Riza is standing on the roof and holds a rifle. Maybe she's protecting the prince guy (something like a mission). There HAS TO BE Royai >D

Alzea! You're also from Poland? Great!

So about the Polish version... Paweł Dybała is truly awesome translator. He translates directly from japanese so I hope he'll do it brilliantly! And let's hope he's also a bit after RoyAi

Oh! So there's new FMA game coming out? I have to check it now... XD

I was thinking that too!
Roy looked so grumpy in that picture, I`m guessing he`s not to happy about this new, handsome prince.

Good to know my meme-spouting on this thread doesn't fall on completely deaf ears.
I tend to do it for my own amusement...



CHRISTMAS x GRUMMAN = OTP.

Anyway, I loved the "Elizabeth chan was takn by another man" comment.
Especially when accompanied by the look on Roy's face when he said it.

Someone had that panel as an icon on these boards back in the day. Can't recall who it was exactly. It was one of the "veterans" of this thread...

He's just like: "Please... don't remind me... ugh."

And I think that was Reika, if I'm not mistaken.

Oh, and FMAobsessed, good luck

PS. black~hayate: Your sig is so sweet!

Strangely enough, I actually can't wait to see that scene animated. Since they're keeping more of the manga humor in the new series, I hope they also keep the expressions - especially since that one seems so out of place because Roy looks likes he's ten or so with that expression...while at a bar.

Omg, in that 3 last pages you show all the "oooooown*--*" moments. I don't have much to say, just I tottaly agree with you. Roy feel something for Riza and she have the same feeling for him. (If they don't, we never will make that topic).

And about the game, wow, I hope it'll have some royai.. The perfect scenario for some manisfestations is already there...

FMAobssesed: Good Luck! I'm entering in the "month exams" too, and I know how it's hard :X Really good luck.

OT Thanks to everyone for wishing me luck on exams and other stressful crap. I will still try to be on once and a while. But I will probably need people to tell me to stop posting, and go study.

@Kale Mustang: East coast is so much better

Heh, I visit (I have a friend who's going to Penn State for grad school - actually visited him last summer) for the most part when I can, but I can't handle the humidity.

Rather have the dry heats of Northern California to the muggy ones that plagued me while I was visiting NYC and Washington DC (Pennsylvania was quite nice though in terms of heat - a bit more dryer).

Shame too, as I love the East Coast (particularly the Northern part) for the architecture.

Another scene that I'm really looking forward to is also the talk between Riza & Roy after she buries the Ishbalan child - it was at that moment when I realized how much of their innocence had been taken away from them.

FMAObsessed, Thanks for making my life complete. Do you mind that I quoted that in my siggy?

About the discussion about RoyAi being cannon, yeah, ITA about all the points, but the Barry the Chopper thing I've seen argued - some people have told me that it was because he was called a 'punk' or something around those lines. I always liked to think that it was because he was harassing Riza, but...

And good luck at school! The year's winding down for me (soon, hopefully) so I'm sure finals are coming up *sigh*

But I will always procrastinate and come online to rant about RoyAi LMAO

I can't wait to see that scene animated, either.

Welcome to the forums, SneakyRuler!

awww.... poor Roy... I want to hug him every time I see that part...
It's like he's so disturbed by it he sorta laughs and can't stop a fake smile. Like a nervous laugh, you know?


I think it has nothing to do with the 'punk' thing myself. He looked stunned and pissed and like 'wtf' BEFORE Barry said a word. More than that, we don't see that look (glowing eyes and darked face) in Roy's face when someone annoys him pure and simply. When he gets that face, it's serious. I can only remember he being like that when discovering Envy killed Hughes. It's only when something REALLY gets to him.

royai game?! *squeak*

Roy is going to have a great competition.

hehehe he is!! ^^ The Volume 22's omake is also a very good sign. lol
I mean, did you see Roy's annoyed face in that game art?? Priceless! XD

Mustang: Lieutenant....what is your opinion on this Arugan prince?

Hawkeye: Well, sir, he seems to have quite a way with women people and I'm sure he is able to get a lot of things done.

Hawkeye: And also, sir...

Mustang: ...?

Hawkeye: ...he's hot.

Mustang: *dies in a humorously dramatic way*

If the game involved Royai in the form of the Prince taking a liking to Hawkeye and dating her or something of that fashion and let us watch Mustang's reactions, I'd die from the awesome. But it will never happen. XD

....you know, I'm going to totally make an omake on that and put it on DevArt, LAWL. I copyright the idea to me! XD

And maybe the one where she says 'Colonel, I'm pregnant'. XD © the idea to whoever thought of it. No seriously, I'd love to do that. Whoever thought up of it tell me so I can credit you. XD

EDIT: It was Goral. then everyone else starting using the line. XD