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black~hayate
Omg! You posted really really much without me! I'm sure you did it all on purpose =D.
Riza's injury is painful, but not dangerous. If her collar bone is broken, well, that would be hell, but it isn't. Maybe it's just streaked, well, seems to be like it. But still, she can shoot.

Yeah, I'm kinda pissed about Roy. Poor Riza. He doesn't care. Grr...

Wow! So much fanfictions! Need to read them. Since I'm in school, I'll do this later.
Same for fanarts.
"Only" 16 days left!
amestris_star
QUOTE (black~hayate @ Apr 24 2009, 07:39 AM) *
Yeah, I'm kinda pissed about Roy. Poor Riza. He doesn't care. Grr...

"Only" 16 days left!


He doesn't care because he's not in his senses. Should he have been reasoning things out, as he always does, he would have rushed to her for sure.

16 days... ARRGGHHHH.
black~hayate
Still I'm a little pissed. That woman does everything for him and he sweared at her =D
FMAobsessed
@black~hayate that is why Roy needs to apologize to Riza. Then they can kiss (in my dreams)
KidAkabane
Yeah Roy is in for one heck of an earful pretty soon here. laugh.gif Once he snaps out of it, anyway.
Miverel
But there's only one think I don't totally get. If it's been explained before, forgive me asking!
Why at the end of the chapter Riza is pointing her gun at Roy? When he wants to crush Envy? I don't get it... 0___o
She doesn't want him to go too deep into his vengeance or sometnihg?
amestris_star
Well, Roy scolded Riza for not being totally herself in 39.
She can EASILY scold him for all of this mess... seriously *more than a scold I'd love a kiss-him-back-to-his-senses sort of scene, but anyways, I'd love to see him scold him lovably >D
Makika
QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Apr 24 2009, 09:47 AM) *
@black~hayate that is why Roy needs to apologize to Riza. Then they can kiss (in my dreams)


QUOTE (amestris_star @ Apr 24 2009, 11:48 AM) *
Well, Roy scolded Riza for not being totally herself in 39.
She can EASILY scold him for all of this mess... seriously *more than a scold I'd love a kiss-him-back-to-his-senses sort of scene, but anyways, I'd love to see him scold him lovably >D



Hey, I totally agree with you. biggrin.gif
black~hayate
Yesss... let's scold Roy...
(All I need is Royai, then I won't be pissed anymore =D)
Would love to see BHayate bark at him or even bite him after the whole Envy thing is over >D
Tombow
QUOTE (CodenameElizabeth @ Apr 23 2009, 11:16 PM) *
QUOTE (Makika @ Apr 23 2009, 10:15 PM) *

Link: Royai 1.

That first pic looks like official art. WOW.

That pic was on the GanGan mag, and yap it's an offical FMA art for FMA anime. ^^


QUOTE (Miverel @ Apr 24 2009, 10:05 AM) *
Why at the end of the chapter Riza is pointing her gun at Roy? When he wants to crush Envy? I don't get it... 0___o
She doesn't want him to go too deep into his vengeance or sometnihg?

Umm... Previously, Roy asked Riza to stop him (at any cost, I suppose) if and when he goes out of line. .. Is that the answer you're looking for?? unsure.gif And, yeah, Rize doesn't want Roy to go deep end of his revenge craziness, and snap him out of it.

Personally, I think/hope he will snap out in the next chapter... just don't know how, and I can't wait to read the next chapter to find out.. ^^
CodenameElizabeth
Per ch 61, Riza is under a direct order to shoot and kill Roy if he ever strays from his designated path. He is not of his right mind currently (hence "his flames will consume his soul" comment.) And I cannot help but wonder if this could possibly be one of the side-effects/rebound effects OF FLAME ALCHEMY ITSELF.

Apparently, Riza "did not want to give birth to another Flame Alchemist" for a reason. What was his reason? Why was this alchemy so dangerous? Does it HAVE a lasting psychological impact that both Riza's father-- and in turn Roy-- was unable to control? Is Roy in danger of meeting the same end as Papa-Hawkeye? (I still have a feeling Papa-Hawkeye's death was suicide, but, I digress...)

Riza may very well have known this "true nature" of flame alchemy from the start-- from the time she made the decision to show Roy the tattoo. And this may be the reason that Roy gave her the order to shoot and kill him if he ever strayed from his path. I tyhink that in ch94, Arakawa is circling back to this order in having Riza threatening to follow through on it. IMO Arakawa would not drop a hint like that early on in the manga ("shoot and kill me with those hands") if she was not going to come full-circle on the issue.

tl;dr: Riza is simply following an Order. And I think that there is a psychological impact of flame alchemy that has not been divulged yet.
Miverel
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Umm... Previously, Roy asked Riza to stop him (at any cost, I suppose) if and when he goes out of line. .. Is that the answer you're looking for?? And, yeah, Rize doesn't want Roy to go deep end of his revenge craziness, and snap him out of it.


Yes, thank you! Do you remember when they had this talk? Or when? I'd like to recall it to myself smile.gif
Thank you in advance for help~! *^^*

EDIT
CodenameElizabeth thank you for reminding me! You're great help!
black~hayate
QUOTE (CodenameElizabeth @ Apr 24 2009, 06:25 PM) *
Per ch 61, Riza is under a direct order to shoot and kill Roy if he ever strays from his designated path. He is not of his right mind currently (hence "his flames will consume him" comment.) And I cannot help but wonder if this could possibly be one of the side-effects/rebound effects OF FLAME ALCHEMY ITSELF.

Apparently, Riza "did not want to give birth to another Flame Alchemist" for a reason. What was his reason? Why was this alchemy so dangerous? Does it HAVE a lasting psychological impact that he was unable to control? Is Roy in danger of meeting the same end as Papa-Hawkeye? (I still have a feeling Papa-Hawkeye's death was suicide, but, I digress...)

Riza may very well have known this "true nature" of flame alchemy from the start-- from the time she made the decision to show Roy the tattoo. And this may be the reason that Roy gave her the order to shoot and kill him if he ever strayed from his path. I tyhink that in ch94, Arakawa is circling back to this order in having Riza threatening to follow through on it. IMO Arakawa would not drop a hint like that early on in the manga ("shoot and kill me with those hands") if she was not going to come full-circle on the issue.

tl;dr: Riza is simply following an Order. And I think that there is a psychological impact of flame alchemy that has not been divulged yet.


Wow, I was thinkin' the same thing, that flame alchemy may have something like a psychological impact. Cause Scar said something about "The flames will consume him". I think Papa Hawkeye was crazy gave her own daughter a painfull and huge tatoo (he also used her as a walking document) because of this strange psychological impact thing.
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (Miverel @ Apr 24 2009, 09:31 AM) *
Yes, thank you! Do you remember when they had this talk? Or when? I'd like to recall it to myself smile.gif
Thank you in advance for help~! *^^*


Both talks in regarding Riza not wanting to create another Flame Alchemist and Roy's orders to Riza to shoot him if he ever strays from his path are from Chapter 61, starting from page 39 to the end.

OT: I'm so loving my new displayed user name. biggrin.gif

...And I also have a ziploc bag of sliced apples next to me to eat. Coincidence? tongue.gif
black~hayate
Is that all, Joe? I slice apples like Riza by myself every day =D
amestris_star
QUOTE (Kale Mustang @ Apr 24 2009, 07:15 PM) *
QUOTE (Miverel @ Apr 24 2009, 09:31 AM) *
Yes, thank you! Do you remember when they had this talk? Or when? I'd like to recall it to myself smile.gif
Thank you in advance for help~! *^^*


Both talks in regarding Riza not wanting to create another Flame Alchemist and Roy's orders to Riza to shoot him if he ever strays from his path are from Chapter 61, starting from page 39 to the end.

OT: I'm so loving my new displayed user name. biggrin.gif

...And I also have a ziploc bag of sliced apples next to me to eat. Coincidence? tongue.gif


Love the new user name Kale biggrin.gif

This is all making me happy that I'm rereading the manga biggrin.gif
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (black~hayate @ Apr 24 2009, 10:41 AM) *
Is that all, Joe? I slice apples like Riza by myself every day =D


For now, I'll probably eat more during lunch. laugh.gif
black~hayate
Real Royai fans eat two Riza-like sliced apples a day, keep up =D
Kale Mustang
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Apr 24 2009, 10:47 AM) *
Love the new user name Kale biggrin.gif

This is all making me happy that I'm rereading the manga biggrin.gif


Aww thanks!

Originally, I was joking about changing the name - but it started to grow on me. Checked with Tombow, who said it was free to use, and went and requested the change. I figured everyone in this thread would get the joke moreso than the other forum members, so I decided to run with it. cool.gif

And yes, re-reading the manga is great as there're always some new details that you never really noticed before.

And to black~hayate, don't worry, I'll eat another apple - I'm just too lazy to slice it and I don't have a Riza nearby who can do it for me. sleep.gif
CodenameElizabeth
I can attest to the idea that Riza's father suffered psycologically-- but NOT BASED ON THE FACT THAT HE GAVE HER THE TATTOO. That is probably one of the more SANE things to do-- to protect the dangerous research.

Riza states in chapter 59 that she was 'scared of her father'- and that he seemed posessed by something. I think that this is beyond the scope of a scientist being wrapped up in his work. (ie: "That is why I as a human died a long time ago...")I mean, dayumn. He looks pretty damned scary in chapter 58 overall. Even pre-death...

They were also estranged from all family-- including Grumman-- for as long as Riza can remember. Was Papa's mental instability partly to blame for this? Also, we know little of Mrs. Hawkeye, except that she died a long time ago. Did Papa start down the slippery slope of fire-alchemy induced insanity after losing his wife?

There are a lot of pointers to Papa Hawkeye's mental instability. A LOT.
AndroidLust
That is a really interesting point to look at CodenameElizabeth, I`ve never thought of alchemy in relation to the psychology of the user. With the case of the reasons why Papa Hawkeye lost it, you pretty much hit all the points I would mention. And now it leaves me curious as to why he died? Was it it psychosomatic? An alchemical rebound? Both seem plausible, especially the rebound because we know flame alchemy is incredibly strong and dangerous. And what does that mean for Roy?
It makes me wish I knew the specific biological process for performing alchemy (I`d rather study a fake science than for my actual finals haha) tongue.gif
CodenameElizabeth
Papa Hawkeye's death, to me, always either seemed like the result of an alchemical rebound or possibly a suicide-- maybe he "took something". Like a slow acting poison. Who knows? He was quite mentally incapacitated by that point in time. And his regretful lines he utters as he is dying (Riza, I am sorry I couldn't do better for you etc etc.) kind of leaned me in that diorection. But I am just reading into it here.

I would love Arakawa to elaborate on the biological and psychological effects of using Alchemy...

Actually, I find Papa Hawkeye tio be pretty cool character. (eh spit blood and doesn't afraid of anything...) I wish he were developed more. Died too soon after being introduced. Much like the Rockbells. sad.gif
Becca-chan
QUOTE (CodenameElizabeth @ Apr 24 2009, 10:04 PM) *
Actually, I find Papa Hawkeye tio be pretty cool character. (eh spit blood and doesn't afraid of anything...) I wish he were developed more. Died too soon after being introduced. Much like the Rockbells. sad.gif


Seconded on that!

Papa Hawkeye was definately one character that caught my attention in the manga too, I know that some people would call him crazy for what he did to Riza...but I liked him and I would of loved to know more about his story.

As for the whole thing on what alchemy does to the body as well as the mind :: Nods, nods:: I think that it's more than plausible.
I think that Roy mentioned somewhere in the manga that his master had changed since he met him, didn't he? O.o

( Also, I think this is the first time I've posted in this particular thread. ^^; but hello everyone! )
Sweetdeath04
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Papa Hawkeye's death, to me, always either seemed like the result of an alchemical rebound or possibly a suicide-- maybe he "took something". Like a slow acting poison. Who knows? He was quite mentally incapacitated by that point in time. And his regretful lines he utters as he is dying (Riza, I am sorry I couldn't do better for you etc etc.) kind of leaned me in that diorection. But I am just reading into it here.


I had a theory that he was another of our little group of alchemists who attempted Human Transmutaion- perhaps he tried to bring his wife back to life? Maybe he suffered in a way similar to Izumi. But that's only my itty bitty theory.

But yeah, I agree he wasn't exactly mentally stable at the end.

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would love Arakawa to elaborate on the biological and psychological effects of using Alchemy...


Agreed!

Papa Hawkeye is one of my favourite characters to theorise on, because we know so little about him.
Tombow
QUOTE (Becca-chan @ Apr 24 2009, 05:18 PM) *
( Also, I think this is the first time I've posted in this particular thread. ^^; but hello everyone! )

*stopping by and hugs Becca-chan* It's about time you drop by here!! biggrin.gif
(Also, hello to Sweetdeath04!! It's your second time posting here, correct? ^^)
--- I think I remember you from that Ed avatar. XDD

Yap, this is why I insisted on having the name of this thread as "Hawkeye X Roy: The Royai Thread, For Roy, Riza, and Royai fans, and more!! ^^
This thread is more than just 'shipping (although I love that part also XD) it contains some really interesting discussions!! Cheers to all the posters here!! ^^
Love the current discussion about Papa-Hawkeye and the effect of Flame Alchemy on personal psych and bio!! ^^

Oh, and Liz, thanks for remembering and bringing these pages where Roy tells Riza to keep him in line!! I loved these pages. Good chapters. ^^

And, OT: Kale Mustang, love your new name!! ^^
Kale Mustang
Thank you, thank you. *bows* I know that I am well-loved here. tongue.gif

Anyways, on the subject of alchemy possibly equating to madness, I think that (to borrow a well-known line from the Spider-Man comics) "with great power comes great responsibility".

So long as one maintains constant control of not only their power, but also of themselves, they'll be able to function normally. Once that control of self is lost, the power can consume the mind and soul.

For those who have seen the Truth (Ed, Izumi, and perhaps Hohenheim), they know what the true cost of the loss of self-control can do to oneself and focus on trying to use their powers help, not hurt.

On the other hand, those who seem to have lost their self-control, these would be the Homonculi, Kimbley, and Father, the power is overwhelming and begins to consume/corrupt the mind/will of the individual. There is no more responsibility to try to benefit the greater good - only seeking the power to destroy/consume.

Now, there is a third group of people who straddle the line between the two sides. These would be Roy, Papa Hawkeye, & Scar. All of them have felt the loss of their self-control (Roy being the most recent) because of a traumatic event. The power is all too consuming, but there has also been an anchor of sorts that keeps them from going over the edge completely. Papa Hawkeye let his studies/power consume him for most of his life, but had a moment of clarity as he lay dying - the want for someone to protect is daughter. Scar's was the realization of his needless slaughter of innocents.

Roy is a special case, as he has experienced the loss of control from two different angles - during the war, he was used as a weapon but since he was in the military, he lost some of that responsibility for control because he was ordered to. This, however, did NOT stop Roy from feeling the anguish/pain of his deeds - in turn, once he was comforted by the words of his friends & subordinates, decided to use the pain/sorrow and use it as fuel to aid in his responsibility to promote the greater good. The second example would be with what's going on in the present chapters of the manga - attacking Envy out of revenge. When he killed Lust, Roy used his power to protect his friends as well as himself but with his attack on Envy, his motivation has been clouded by darker emotions (*insert Jedi speech about the dangers of the Dark Side of the Force*). Right now, Roy's mental state is tenuous at best - he's teetering on the brink but hasn't quite lost it yet. We know that his power is great and that Roy is very responsible for the most part, but when everything seems lost, will Roy's sense of responsibility bring him back from the madness or will it continue to consume him?

Hope this makes some sense...and sorry for my near-essay of a post.
KidAkabane
About papa Hawkeye, I always wanted to know more about him. He was always one of those characters that's so mysterious because he died so soon after he was introduced (like the same page XD)
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had a theory that he was another of our little group of alchemists who attempted Human Transmutaion- perhaps he tried to bring his wife back to life? Maybe he suffered in a way similar to Izumi. But that's only my itty bitty theory.

But yeah, I agree he wasn't exactly mentally stable at the end.
That's a really interesing theory! And we don't know anything about Riza's mother so it's possible she died of a deseise or something much in the same way Trisha did and he tried to bring her to life. He sure does strike me as someone who'd try it.
That could even be why he was determined to keep his fire alchemy safe-he knew first hand what alchemy in the wrong hands can do.
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(Also EVA sig is WIN, KidAkabane! Good to see some love for other great anime around these parts...)
Thanks! happy.gif Eva is indeed great. <3
Sweetdeath04
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That's a really interesing theory! And we don't know anything about Riza's mother so it's possible she died of a deseise or something much in the same way Trisha did and he tried to bring her to life. He sure does strike me as someone who'd try it.
That could even be why he was determined to keep his fire alchemy safe-he knew first hand what alchemy in the wrong hands can do.


YAY! I feel like I've contributed something! Possibly, another reason why he aparently did nothing but research his whole life (don't quote me on this because it may or may not be accurate) rather than using his alchemy to 'help the people'.

Of course, maybe by the time he'd finished his research he was unable, physically or psychologically, to do something helpful. And we come back to the effects alchemy has on the body and mind.

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Also, hello to Sweetdeath04!! It's your second time posting here, correct? ^^)


Thanks for the welcome! You're better at keeping track of my posts than I am!

Becca-chan
QUOTE (Tombow @ Apr 24 2009, 11:07 PM) *
QUOTE (Becca-chan @ Apr 24 2009, 05:18 PM) *
( Also, I think this is the first time I've posted in this particular thread. ^^; but hello everyone! )

*stopping by and hugs Becca-chan* It's about time you drop by here!! biggrin.gif


:: Hugs back:: Hehe thank you Tombow, I'm glad to be here. happy.gif.

I have to say, I'm really enjoying reading everyone's posts in here too; on the topic of alchemy and how it affects the mind and body sounds interesting as well.
I really hope that Roy doesn't end up going down that path in the end, Lust would probably be laughing at him from beyond the grave if that did happen. @.@;

Thinking about those that end up losing themselves to alchemy though...I wonder if that means that the kind of alchemy they use, ends up possessing them in some way.
I know I'm going to sound crazy and/ or not make sense here ( it's late where I am ^^; ) but I'll try and give some good examples.

Okay...out of the alchemists that I can think of off-the-bat manga-wise and anime-wise that ended up succumbing to the darkness of their own alchemy.

Kimbly ( or Kimbley) / The Crimson Alchemist - His alchemy can turn people into bombs/ make them explode...somewhere along the line he ends up succumbing to the 'dark-side' of his alchemy and clearly enjoys what he does.

Basque Gran/ The Iron Blood Alchemist ( is he given a different State name in the manga?) - His alchemy can create weaponry ( I think ^^; ) he only ever succumb to the dark-side of his alchemy in the Ishbalan war while using the fake (?) Philosophers Stone prototype in the original anime.

Shou Tucker/ The Sewing-Life Alchemist ( a.k.a The man that I talk about way too much XD;; ) - His alchemy can merge two different beings into one, creating chimera's.
He *started* to drift to the 'dark-side' of his alchemy when he transmuted his wife to become a State Alchemist and then completely goes off the deep end when he transmutes his daughter and her dog

Mr. Hawkeye - His alchemy is of the fire variety like Roy's...so he most likely could do all of the things that Roy can do with fire.
He most likely lost himself to the dark-side of his alchemy by some kind of tragedy or something like that...and then turned his daughter into a walking reference book. ^^;

So if Roy was to lose himself to his alchemy...just what would he be capable of doing in such a state like he is now? O.o
( Although I think we've already got a taster of what that would be)
paca
HiHi!!

O: Oh! this thread gets too much posts xDDDDDDDD....*been reading some*

lets's start:

First: I wnat the next chapter >_>.....

Well, still a long way until it's here so let's talk about the old one.....ones

Hawkeye Sensei , yes, I agree, surely has seen the Truth...and all we know is that there are two ways (up to now) a human trasmutation -more exactly trying to get someone back- or something like what happend to Hoho (which surely only happend to him xD) ....

General observations

+ oAo////curious observation~~~~~ Riza somehow (by Arakawa) has "admited" that she loves him??? (or I have read your posts too much xDDDDDD)
check it again:
http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/58/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/58/12/
You read Edward lines and say " awwwwww, he loves Winry" and obiously you agree with Riza pointing it... 'cause Edward lines and as a reader ('cause you read the whole manga and you are not stupid xDDDD) and then we have Ed spliting the coffee over hayate -funny moment- .... but Riza isn't a reader...she doesn't see Edward and Winry interactions~~ so... you read the panels twice...you forget about all the funny situation and the Ed winry fact......
and now Riza when she is speaking, she isn't looking exactly to Edward , she is thinking... and she is understanding Edward and somehow .... they are in "a similar position" Riza feels like it....
"to worry and scrabble around in that way and even if it looks uncool, you have to survive. For the person that is important to you. Protect her" - Riza
^like analizing Edward situation but talking about herself...isn't she? ("same words " by Riza http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/24/15/)
and then we get this:
" you love Winry -chan, don't you?" -Riza..... so, isn't she somehow saying it in an really simple way....isn't she understanding Edward...isn't it as simple as this (Arakawa loves simple stuff <3 xD)
so aren't we getting Riza expressing it while our attention is droven over Ed and Winry?
read that some times and tell me what you think xD

+about happy endings + Arakawa
Example ----> Knox had already got his happy ending .... it's not a fairy taled one ... it's pretty realistic for whta has happened.
The only thing that can disturb as an example of Arakawa happy endings is "bat in the blue sky" ;_______________; .....


About Riza's injuries:


QUOTE (DistantBlue @ Apr 23 2009, 06:17 PM) *
Well, I think she's a little worse then she's letting on. First of all, if you look at the way she is cut, Envy actually might have slashed her pretty deeply. I think at first she ignored the pain, but then she got spiraled around and almost strangled, which I think did the most damage.

Notice how she's squinting one eye in two panels with bloody scrape marks around it? Probably from her getting whirled around, and hinting there might have been more damage done. Maybe she might have hurt her leg or her arm as well, although I'm thinking its more a problem with her legs. When she was on the ground, she was able to prop both arms up, her legs kinda dragged behind her, and didn't stand up right away to help Mustang. Also, when she got whirled around her legs snapped out really suddenly and hard even before she was smacked to the ground, so maybe her leg got bruised or maybe even fractured.

I agree with the above, how she would not admit she is pained by it, since she is focused on Mustang and doesn't want to draw attention to herself. That is the main reason I think her injury is more serious than it is, although certainly not life-threatening.


Yes the strngle must have been the worst part..... about getting hit: it's not very factible that it could have done pretty much damage. Look that she has fallen/hit the ground with her shoulder/back... the better way to fall (believe me, I practise martial arts xD and you reduce the impact that way xDDD) , her legs just waved from here to there , nothing important.

But about all the injured matter...isn't that the part of the shoulder/back where the tattoo is burnt??????



Well, no more for now >______________________>

Go on posting!!! xD

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jacksparrow589
Way to have deep conversations while I'm gone, guys. Yay for extra reading! smile.gif

Kale Mustang--Love the name change (and the new icon)! My immediate reaction: He really went and did it! No WAY!

Back to the slightly more pressing matters at hand: What Liz, Kale Mustang, Becca-chan, and all the rest of you have been saying resonates.

About Mr. Hawkeye: I've often wondered about Mr. Hawkeye's death. I mean, the dude just suddenly hacks up blood and dies. Granted, he looks pretty ill in the preceding frames, but also mostly in posession of his faculties. (i.e. He doesn't seem to be slurring his words, he's responding to Roy the way a normal person would, being cryptic aside, etc.)

About the dark side of alchemy: Being a complete Star Wars geek, I'm seeing parallels as far as there being two sides to the Force, and two sides to alchemy. I like Kale's idea of three groups, and it's entirely applicable here. Those who have been there and won't ever again, those who haven't but would cross the line ignoring all consequences, and those who haven't but who have the potential to.

I would write more, but dinner's on. I may come back and edit this post later.
FMAobsessed
The conversations are getting in depth here. I wondered about Mr. Hawkeye. Wasn't he only in a few panels/pages before he died? Also hacking up blood is not a normal death.

@jacksparrow589 I read your Royai fanfic Second Chances. It was really good. But are you going to write more, and when will it be posted?
jacksparrow589
FMAobsessed--blush.gif Thanks! 'Course I'll post more! I try to update every Thursday or Friday, so I'm usually a few chapters ahead of what you're reading, not that I often do continuations. However, I've had no ideas recently, so I'm running out of chapters to post, and school's being... difficult right now, so there might be a few weeks' worth of break at some point.
Forgiven
I think I see some Mr. Hawkeye talk here. ^^

Agreed to the person who said he is their favorite character because there is so many ways to theorize him.I should write something about that, but maybe this summer because I'm pretty much piled with school stuffs. >_<
Alzea
Yeah, Papa Hawkeye...I hope Arakawa will say someting about him in the future. He's really interesting character...I'd love to see some nice flashback with him, Riza and Roy or maybe with Riza's mother (she eloped with him or something like this, didn't she?), I'd be even better if something like this would be in the next chapter, telling us how dangerous for Roy could be flame alchemy. I know it won't happen but still I can dream biggrin.gif

jacksparrow589, I hope you will find some good ideas soon, I love Second Chances~!

Nahahaha, Kale, no, I should say Kale Mustang, you really did it biggrin.gif

BTW, I read somewhere that in the one of recent interviews Arakawa said that she's planning to end FMA at the end of this year or next year's spring. Anyone else heard about it?
FMAobsessed
I have not heard that Arakawa has planned to end FMA at the end of this year or next spring. Where do people find these interviews with Arakawa? I have only found one and it centered around the Lust vs. Mustang fight.
KidAkabane
Oh? There was one about the Lust fight? ohmy.gif Where is this?
Sweetdeath04
I haven't seen any interviews. I'd really love to see the one where we found out that Grumman is Riza's grandfather!

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But about all the injured matter...isn't that the part of the shoulder/back where the tattoo is burnt??????


I can testify that you are most definately right about the best way to fall. Martial Arts teaches us many things, no? And yup, that's the place. Or close enough to it. I think I mentioned this in the Chapter 94 Discussion Thread, but, bad or not, where there is blood there needs to be some sort of dressing. So is whoever gets to help fix her shoulder up gonna get a peek at the tattoo? Or is Mai just going to fix it later...?

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Agreed to the person who said he is their favorite character because there is so many ways to theorize him.I should write something about that, but maybe this summer because I'm pretty much piled with school stuffs. >_<


Please do write something! I did... once upon a time before the coursework started piling on. But it wasn't very good....
Alzea
QUOTE (Sweetdeath04 @ Apr 25 2009, 07:51 PM) *
I haven't seen any interviews. I'd really love to see the one where we found out that Grumman is Riza's grandfather!

We know about it from Guidebook, not from interview, someone posted a pic of it about 20 pages ago or something xD

About this interview I mentioned earlier, I read this information on comments at LJ, I asked for a link or at least information where this interview was, I'm waiting for a reply now tongue.gif
Turdaewen
QUOTE (Sweetdeath04 @ Apr 25 2009, 02:51 PM) *
I haven't seen any interviews. I'd really love to see the one where we found out that Grumman is Riza's grandfather!

Actually, that one was not from interviews, but from Perfect Guidebook 2. I've even put up the scan of it in this thread a few pages back ^^

And that about Arakawa ending FMa this year, it's not confirmed AT ALL. There was this rumor going around that she said she planned to finish FMA in 100 chapters, but we, first, don't know if that's true, second, even if it is, she might change her mind, cause even the rumor only said she PLANNED do to that. No confirmations, though.
But it's pretty clear that FMA is getting near it's end. XD

Back to the subjects we were discussing, about Papa Hawkeye, I guess the mere fact of him someone SO absorbed in his studies and alchemy, combined with the idea of becoming widowed may have triggered his disease, even because the scene he appears implies he haven't seen Roy in a while. So, I guess that, even more than the other kinds of alchemy, the Flame Alchemy might bring a sort of weight to those who carry it. Just like the symbolic meaning of Fire, the Flame Alchemists seem people very passionate and strong willed, but also very sensitive and with a sort of personality that, when not well handle with, becomes self-destructive.

Something else I've been thinking about that sorta relates to that is the idea of those sort of men needing to have someone else as a form of 'scabbard' to their power. Someone who's strong enough to direct and to restrain their will. I don't know if someone here has already read the Rurouni Kenshin manga,, but I always see a sort of similarity between the relation of Kenshin and Tomoe with Roy's and Riza's. As someone who's there to be the reason behind the passion of the warriors. And without them, they would definitely go mad.
And that's actually a comforting thought, that, while Roy remains having the image of Riza in his head (whether is by her being there or, like in Tomoe's case, the memory of her), he will always remember his mission.
This is very King Arthur, like... lol
Sweetdeath04
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Actually, that one was not from interviews, but from Perfect Guidebook 2. I've even put up the scan of it in this thread a few pages back ^^


AH! Thank you!

*goes scan hunting*
Forgiven
QUOTE (Sweetdeath04 @ Apr 25 2009, 01:51 PM) *
I haven't seen any interviews. I'd really love to see the one where we found out that Grumman is Riza's grandfather!

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But about all the injured matter...isn't that the part of the shoulder/back where the tattoo is burnt??????


I can testify that you are most definately right about the best way to fall. Martial Arts teaches us many things, no? And yup, that's the place. Or close enough to it. I think I mentioned this in the Chapter 94 Discussion Thread, but, bad or not, where there is blood there needs to be some sort of dressing. So is whoever gets to help fix her shoulder up gonna get a peek at the tattoo? Or is Mai just going to fix it later...?

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Agreed to the person who said he is their favorite character because there is so many ways to theorize him.I should write something about that, but maybe this summer because I'm pretty much piled with school stuffs. >_<


Please do write something! I did... once upon a time before the coursework started piling on. But it wasn't very good....


Not like a fanfiction or anything like that. Just a bunch of theories put together into 5,000 paragraphs. (or something along those lines. XD) UGG. I HATE SCHOOL. SEE?! PROOF THAT IT JUST GETS IN THE WAY OF EVERYTHING! Less then two weeks. >_> Anyways, do you still have what you wrote about him? You don't see hardly anything about this guy.
Sweetdeath04
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Please do write something! I did... once upon a time before the coursework started piling on. But it wasn't very good....



Not like a fanfiction or anything like that. Just a bunch of theories put together into 5,000 paragraphs. (or something along those lines. XD) UGG. I HATE SCHOOL. SEE?! PROOF THAT IT JUST GETS IN THE WAY OF EVERYTHING! Less then two weeks. >_> Anyways, do you still have what you wrote about him? You don't see hardly anything about this guy.


A bunch of theories is good! We're starting to stockpile them here! =D

Click on My Web Work in my sig. That should take you to my fanfiction page- there's a link to Shades of Grey at the bottom. But it's not great.... unsure.gif
DistantBlue
QUOTE (paca @ Apr 24 2009, 06:55 PM) *
But about all the injured matter...isn't that the part of the shoulder/back where the tattoo is burnt??????


HOLY SCHNAP, I DID NOT THINK OF THAT.

I thought, yeah, the tattoo is there, but if he slashed her on the burn...wouldn't it crack and peel and bleed like dry, cracked lips? I have no idea. I'll have to look back and see if she's started bleeding toward the back of her shoulder...
amestris_star
I'm happy with all the discussions centered to Roy and Riza and characters who are (or were) close to them, makes my waiting for Chapter 95 less traumatic.

I come bearing more fanart this evening though:

black~hayate
O__o those made my day...
The fanarts I mean...
amestris_star
QUOTE (black~hayate @ Apr 25 2009, 11:17 PM) *
O__o those made my day...
The fanarts I mean...


Glad you liked *grins*
DistantBlue
QUOTE (paca @ Apr 24 2009, 06:55 PM) *
But about all the injured matter...isn't that the part of the shoulder/back where the tattoo is burnt??????


HOLY SCHNAP, I DID NOT THINK OF THAT.

I thought, yeah, the tattoo is there, but if he slashed her on the burn...wouldn't it crack and peel and bleed like dry, cracked lips? I have no idea. I'll have to look back and see if she's started bleeding toward the back of her shoulder...

I like what someone said about Papa Hawkeye attempting human transmutation. From that, I'm theorizing:

1) Like what someone said before, Mama Hawkeye died from disease or something

2) Papa Hawkeye attempted human transmutation and got the same resulting 'toll' taken as Izumi

a) however - how could he possibly only get organs taken away for attempting to create a full grown woman? Unless he had someone(s) to help him and they got taken entirely while he suffered a minor toll?

3) The family found out or became suspicious of him for Mama Hawkeye's death (maybe even about the transmutation), and estranged Papa and Riza from the family








4)....now, from looking at this, I don't find anything specifically hinting any dark secrets except for a couple things:

"My research has been perfected a long time ago. It is the strongest kind of alchemy. And, depending on how it is used, it can also be the most deadly .

That, there, in bold, can refer to how the nearly unlimited power of flame alchemy can tear a person apart and cause them to lose their humanity and sanity. Foreshadowing to 94 and possibly 95?

And I became satisfied . Alchemists are beings who, as long as they live, cannot go on without seeking the truth . When they stop their thinking, the alchemist would die. That is why I am a human who died a long time ago.

Seeking the TRUTH, eh? My guess is that if he did commit human transmutation, he saw the truth and was able to finish his research to perfection, and he was satisfied. Maybe he felt he lost his humanity after that he said that bit about being long dead.

Power...*cough*....so you want power, Roy...?

I think in this context, he might thought it ironic that the thing that cost Papa everything is the very thing Roy wanted the most, if we're still thinking human transmutation.

The sudden death involving coughing up blood is what makes me lean toward this theory the most, that and the fact that Arakawa is definitely not done with Papa Hawkeye. She wouldn't let the story end and we not know WHY and HOW he died.

And then we know the rest. He tells Roy Riza has his secrets, repents to her for his lack of attention he gave her, and his final wish, he begs Roy in tears, is for him to watch over Riza.

5) Also, I noticed that the way Papa speaks of the military is much like the thinking of Izumi Curtis, who as we all know also attempted human transmutation. Maybe all alchemists are like that, who knows, but I just thought I'd mention it.




Sorry about this huge post. Once someone brings up a good theory, I love to poke around and pull stuff from other chapters to look at its authenticy. (SPELLING FAIL) XD
Sweetdeath04
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Seeking the TRUTH, eh? My guess is that if he did commit human transmutation, he saw the truth and was able to finish his research to perfection, and he was satisfied. Maybe he felt he lost his humanity after that he said that bit about being long dead.


This is what initially caught my eye and made me wonder about the Human Transmutation idea... that and the blood.

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however - how could he possibly only get organs taken away for attempting to create a full grown woman? Unless he had someone(s) to help him and they got taken entirely while he suffered a minor toll?


This is something I have to admit I know very little about. But I was thinking, surely it doesn't matter if the person who is being resurected is a child or an adult- all the physical properties needed are already fulfilled. Remember when Ed listed off the chemicals, etc, needed to create a human body to Rose?

I always figured that the reason Human Transmutation never worked was because the only person who would ever attempt it was someone who had nothing left to lose. That the only Human Transmutation that would work would be where the alchemist gave someone who they cared about MORE as a sacrifice than the person they were trying to bring back.

Forgiven
QUOTE (Sweetdeath04 @ Apr 25 2009, 04:42 PM) *
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Please do write something! I did... once upon a time before the coursework started piling on. But it wasn't very good....



Not like a fanfiction or anything like that. Just a bunch of theories put together into 5,000 paragraphs. (or something along those lines. XD) UGG. I HATE SCHOOL. SEE?! PROOF THAT IT JUST GETS IN THE WAY OF EVERYTHING! Less then two weeks. >_> Anyways, do you still have what you wrote about him? You don't see hardly anything about this guy.


A bunch of theories is good! We're starting to stockpile them here! =D

Click on My Web Work in my sig. That should take you to my fanfiction page- there's a link to Shades of Grey at the bottom. But it's not great.... unsure.gif


I liked it. I thought it was pretty good. You don't see many fanfictions that go into detail about how Roy crushed and burned Riza's back. And good theory on how whats-his-face got sick and died. ^^
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