I leave for a few hours and you guys just keep posting! Until recently, I've never had to read so much to catch up on this thread!

Liz--I am aware of only one instance where Roy calls Riza by her name, and that's when her father is dying, so she wasn't even in the military at that point.

Geez, even just them calling each other by name would be good enough for a Royai moment in that case. This is a bit depressing, actually.

black~hayate--I noticed your question before, but I had to run, and then I forgot, or I would've answered it before you asked a second time. Riza's earrings are purple in all of the official art that I've seen. I was even looking at one of the artbooks in a bookshop today, and sure enough, purple earrings.

AndroidLust--Cute comics! Way to find 'em! I gotta go check the rest out.

Can anyone translate those? I'm DYING to know!

oh noes, I killed someone >__<
Sweet Royaish dreams, Amestris_star =)
(thx for AndroidLust, for sharing the gallery with us)

And thx, JackSparrow, I guess... I have bad eyes? >___<. Thx for looking it up so properly ^^)

Actually, the only time he calls her Riza is in her father's death (and he didn't even SAY her name, he sorta screamed it at her in desperation. lol). Not even at her funeral he calls her Riza. If I recall correctly, he doesn't even say her name at that scene, so he doesn't even call her Riza OR Hawkeye, but she calls him 'Mustang-san'.


That's the hole objective of Arakawa!!! make us wonder about a confusing line she throws at us!!! The mean Cow believe: she did all that on purpose.

It could either go two ways:
1)Arakawa lied about the "when where alone" part or,
2)Lied about the "he calls me Riza when were alone" part.

On a happier note, has anybody seen this fan art yet?
http://hime1999.deviantart.com/art/Central-1920-10766792

Yap, and if my memory serves right you can find her posts on this very own thread, so as Anne, and many of the artists whose arts you guys keep referring. And I love those very much. They are very talented artists. ^^

Really? Whats her user name?

I have been trying to remember that since I saw your post with her artwork.
If I remember correctly, her id here is not just Hime, but her dad used to call her princess, I think, and so her id was something with hime or princess, I think.
I will post her id when I find out.

ETA: I think it's somethinghime. I will post again when I remember more.

Well, I checked.

It seems like the last two years (83 and 71) have been Edwin. There were also Royai with the same amount of subtlety, which, I have to say, was very subtle. Three years ago (59) was part of the Ishbal arc, which was Royai, as we all know. Four years ago, the cover was that painting of Mei, Winry, and Riza all standing together, looking up in a neato perspective, and it had a LOT of Edwin as well as LinFan (it was the one where Ed jumped in front of Winry, and two chapters or so after LanFan cut off her arm). Five years ago, in 35, there was some slight Royai (more on a loyalty and trust level, though) and Edwin, but it was when Maria Ross was 'killed', which I think the author would have loved to draw. Six and seven years ago...there really wasn't anything, since it was more of the beginning arc part of the story.

I think I messed up the chapters, so if anyone wants to check, go ahead, but overall, the chapters in May follow a pattern. They were all either very action-y and epic, or informative and progressive to the story, and had noticable pairing hints in them.

^ Wow, great job on the research. I`m realllllyyyyyyyy excited for the new chapter now!

WOW, so many posts! ;O
I'll try to put my opinion in this...



Hahahaha, kissing Roy out of his senses! I LOOOOVE THAAT! YAY! GO RIZA GO! [2]
(I know that is impossible but... well, we never knows)

And Madam X-mas RLZ! (I already say that, but she really RLZ)



Oh, I really luv this pic *-* It'll be so cute if something close to this happens...
(I'm going to bed happy now too)




Wow, great search
I'll never do something like this with so many details...

But anyway, now i'm really waiting for some royai, edwin fans had their piece of cake, it's our time now!

And I think Riza just say to Envy that she lies because she don't want the homunculi "playing" with their (Riza and Roy) feelings like they play with Hughes (Gracia) and the Elric brothers (Winry).
But I read some parts of the manga again and when they are alone they still talking with each other normally, but have some changes.
In the chapter 47 when Riza and Roy are alone in the "Fuery's beach house", Riza go out to help the Elric Brothers in their "homunculi's capture plan" she says to Roy stay in there, he don't demonstrate so many attention, so she says again (she was angry this time), and Roy with a smile (that "haha, she don't change anything) says: Ok, I understand.
They never do something like this when they are with the others, that thing of worry to much with each other.

Okay, I finish. Sorry for the huge post;

Yes. I have seen it in youtube. That is one of the nicest royai fanart ever!

Quick question: When is it does an anime or manga couple officially becomes cannon or canon, however its spelled. Did Ed and Winry become canon because they mentioned how they love one another? But they haven't confessed to each other's faces right?

If that is what canon means, then Roy and Riza are so close to being that. Please Arakawa make it come true.

Also for royai manga moments, I found this on livejournal. http://community.livejournal.com/royai/348112.html#cutid1

Yay it is my 100th post!

AH HAHAHHAAA!!
I am laughing incredibly hard at your comment, AndroidLust. (You know which one...)

This is a serious order, Lieutenant. I strongly encourage you not to mention a thing.

Of course, Sir.



Can hardly believe this manga has been ongoing since 2002.
I have been following it since 2004... WOW.

@ BlackHayate. I always thought her earrings were silver. Small, silver disks/spheres. At least that is what I wear when I cosplay... You can sort of see them in this pic. (Ignore my ears. There were really red that day because it was February and it was COLD outside!)

@FMAobsessed cool thanks for that link! And I guess it's considered "canon" because Winry though to herself how she had been in love with him for a while didn't, she? But if you ask me it was obvious before that, too. I guess everyone has different criteria for calling a pairing canon.
.....Now I gotta go check wiether that chapter was in May. XD

My 100th post was on the EdXWin thread. /:

Now that you've mention it, he sorta does that same expression at that scene she enters Mustang office (on chapter 62) after she gets transfered, when she says "please don't die". I mean, that doesn't mean much, but he smiles a lot more than usual when they're talking alone... and they do tend to sound more tender, somehow.


And I can't remember what was my 100th post about! hehehehehe I think it was here.

Whenever I re-read portions of the manga, particularly whenever Roy talks to his group (this includes Riza), you can definitely hear a paternal tone in his words. The lines that are spoken are firm, but they seem to hold an edge of care and worry.

With Riza (usually when they're alone or in close quarters), it's not so much as words by themselves, but rather the looks that are shared when words are spoken. They never break their gazes from one another - I'd guess that it's due to the fact that they've probably learned how to 'read' one another. Also, they tend to share more smiles around one another.

On the topic of posts...I don't even remember when or where I posted my 100th post... I'm way too prolific in my postings.

*yawn* good morning...
You posted alot, guys. The manga moments... gotta read them all and put it in my favourites, because I often forget wich chapter was this and that.
CodenameElizabeth, so it was cold like hell and you still cosplayed? Wow, respect
I posted my 100th post somewhere here, I guess...

Well, Riza is the closest subordinate of Roy, you can know that because when all they are transfered for different parts of the country, Riza stay in the central, but she becomes Fuhrer's secretary (because in that way it's easily for the homunculi pay attention in her, they pratically can control her actions! (where she have to go, when she have to go, what she have to do, etc).


hahaha, my 100th post was here.

I don't think you could have said it more succinctly, Kale. We've all noticed the smiles... and the other looks, too. I think some of 'em should've had winks tossed in, though. Know what I mean?

Liz--More beautiful pictures? Wow... Geez... If you ever get around to it, come to SakuraCon; it needs more FMA cosplayers who are NOT Ed or Al. (Of course, now that the new anime's out, there'll be an abundance next year.)

FMAobsessed--The chapter 8 moment on the Royai Moments list you shared made me smile. The one for chapter... lemme check... ah, chapter 7 made me laugh. Thanks for finding that!

@jacksparrow589 You are welcome, I thought everyone would enjoy that.

I agree with you Kale that Roy and Riza will look at one another with such understanding. Maybe they will "look" at one another in chapter 95. And we will understand what they are saying.

@jacksparrow: Sakuracon is on my list of "cons I'd like to make to one of these days." Come next year I will have even more friends living in Washington state, so it might be worth a trip out there...

@blackhayate: We wanted to do the photoshoot in a very 'desolate' looking environment, so we picked the dead of winter as a time to get that look. Kind of couldn't help the cold and wind. When my lazy [All hail lord Xenu] finally puts the finishing touches on the Olivia Armstrong costume, photoshoots will be done IN THE SNOW. OH YOU KNOW IT!!!

So I watched the streams of the first 2 new FMA episodes on the Funimation site last night.
First one made me go "WTF IS THIS SH*T?" because the story of that "Freezing Alchemist" guy made no sense and it was too full of "ED IS SHORT AND HE'S THE BIG BROTHER" jokes. We get it already. Hopefully they got it out of their system.

Episode 2 made it clear they were following the manga (mentioning Xerxes, rentanjutsu, Riza/Winry scene early on, Ed pointing the spear @ Bradley during the State Alchemist exam and getting PWNED...) and therefore it rated as PRETTY AWESOME in my book.

ONE THING THAT BOTHERED ME. Since I am a picky Bi-Atch.
Riza was wearing the wrong outfit in the Risembool scene. She wears a skirt and heels in the manga:

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(I hate myself for noticing things like this...)
Today's episode should be the whole Liore thing. If they keep true to the same storyline as the manga.

Liz--I actually noticed that the first time I watched it, too, and was all, "But she's wearing a SKIRT in the manga!" (rant) We hardly EVER get to see Riza in civilian attire--the least they could do is give her a skirt when she's supposed to have one! (/rant)

Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Isaac's purpose to introduce most of our MAIN characters (as in, those who will appear in two thirds or three quarters of the show) in pretty short order? Last time, it took a ton of episodes to finally get everyone in. While it did feel rushed, it at least partially achieved its purpose, and it was sort of funny to me. I mean, a suitcase full of gloves? How many does Roy go through? Poor Riza, if she has to lug that around all the time. At least she called him out on it. "Useless", indeed!

Also, if people haven't heard of FMA until now, there had to be something for them to get a sense of what's going on. We're all just crazily obsessed and therefore know all this already.

Hurry up! I bet it`ll be amazing. Seriously, your uniform for Riza was so accurate and well done, it actually looked a real uniform. Most cosplays I`ve seen always look sort of flimsy and just off.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF I didn`t notice that before.
It`s not even the fact that it`s inconsistent with the manga that bothers me. I just would rather see her in a skirt because it`s such a rare thing. :I

Yes!!! I LOVE that military outfit Riza wears in the manga!!! I wanted to cosplay that outfit... I missed it, too!! I was like 'What the hell??'

The third is about Liore! ^^ and they wrapped it up all in one episode, which was great!! XD They're still exaggerating a little about Ed being short, joke, but it's ok. XD I'm happy they didn't took too long on that story, or it would be really boring. ^^ It has some details different from the manga, but it's nothing I actually felt angry about. They still stood to the main line of the story. (and the characters don't look OOC like the first anime)

I see! A skirt! Haven't noticed... SO THAT's WHY MUSTANG TOOK HER WITH HIM, because OF THE SKIRT!!! lol ^^)

...Those are looks that should be saved when tormenting Havoc about not having a girlfriend

And as far as Riza not wearing a skirt in episode two, I didn't even notice as I was more focused on Winry & Riza's interaction.

Considering that they're merely 'following' the manga and not so much as making it an exact copy of the manga, subtle changes (like the skirt vs. pants) don't really bother me.

Though I do admit that the lack of Riza wearing a skirt in that scene should be rectified in a later moment with her wearing a miniskirt.

I lol'd at your comment black~hayate, that must have been Roy's intent, after all they travelled alone to Risembool >D

Joking apart, yes I had noticed that too. And I was like... uh... they changed the uniform, duh!

@Kale: The important thing is that they continue following the manga, this first part doesn't bother me, but after Hughes' death, it's essential that they do so!

I figured they would want to do some sort of "introduction" episode in the beginning. It just seemed weird that they would introduce an entirely new character to do it. One thing I LIKED about Isaac was that he was apparently a "War Buddy" of both Mustang and Hughes-- which set the stage for a manga-storyline (Hughes was not a part of the Ishbal rebellion in the original anime.)

HELLS YES THE DRESS-UNIFORMS ARE DEAD SEXY. I wish I had more pics of me wearing mine. They are very few and far between since I have rarely worn that costume (twice, I think?) The officers are very rarely shown wearing them. PROTIP: Ladies, a long, straight skirt + high heels does wonders for your butt. Makes it look GREAT. Really.

Suitcase full of gloves was funny. I kind of want a suitcase full of Roy gloves for cosplay purposes now... XD
Olivia coat just needs to be trimmed. I got lazy with it when I decided not to go to Katsucon this year. I am having trouble finding shoes though...




Which leads me to another song:

aaaaaaaw =3 cute song... and it fits!
Amestris_star, yay, I like when people are lolling happy.
I have...umm...very Royaish mood right now...
The next episode, yay, shows hard working Riza

It`s amazing how excited that 3 second scene made me. I was like "Yeah! Look at her pass paperwork out!"
Simple things amuse me. :3

Haha, me too. That was the perfect finish for the episode =D

Yes! XD They're awesome! I just wish I was blonde so I could make that cosplay, but then again, I could go as Rebecca, too!!! ^^ That would be a really cool cosplay. Especially if I could get a Riza to cosplay along with me XD (starting to get ideas...)

Exactly! I like the manga more than the first anime because they do not follows the manga (and cut out most of the rare royai moment).

And after that in the movie, it's getting worse. Roy dumped Riza for Elrics??? What??? I was ranting "Roy, you jerk!"

But after i read the manga, i change my opinion about Roy. He is such a sweet guy sometimes.

And I want to thank Envy for stimulating the rare royai moment.

I rewatched the first anime over spring break, and it seemed like they were going out of their way to make it seem like Roy hated Riza. The director was obviously a RoyEd fan.

As far as Royai songs go, God Only Knows by The Beach Boys

Never heard the song, but the lyrics are perfect!

And I agree about the first anime. They were obviously yaoi fans...EdxRoy in the series....and then EdxAlfons in the movie...D:

Edwin, Royai, and LingFan forever! D:

LingFan!! My other pairing I can't wait to see animated in the new series... (well, that and my other guilty pleasure AlMei. D'AWWWWW...)

O yah, and AlMei. XD I forgot about them. At first I hated them, now I love them together. D'aw, so cute.

LOL, I only ever like canon pairings, LOL. I is not creative.

Whoa, when I said that I'm okay with the changes in the new series and that they don't have to closely follow the manga, I meant cosmetic changes, like a skirt to pants or a different shirt for Ed, or Roy reading from a newspaper instead of a book in a particular scene. That's fine with me.

The moment they change things from the manga, we're going to be stuck in the same position as the previous series, which I don't want.

Relax a little, everything will be fine.

I believe you're not alone.

yeah, you aren't.

THISTHISTHIS.

I think a lot of people will agree.
The beginning of the new series is odd because it seems like they are trying to cover a lot of ground in a little time-- as to not bore the audience with parts of the story that are similar between the anime and the manga.

What makes me feel even annoyed is that they actually made Roy flirting with Riza in the last episode. It led me to picture Roy and Riza would continue to develop their relationship from there. Then, suddenly, in the movie, it was totally not happening in that way. I hate that movie so much.

Since then, I have been trying my hand on fanfic, thinking that if i cannot watch them together, I would at least make them a couple in my fanfic. It is quite a way to manage your anger. ;p

Spectator--Yeah. No kidding. Fellow fanfic writer, here. If they're not going to be put together by anyone else, I'll put them together, dang it!

And I agree with what Kale said. Really, I'm not ticked about the skirt/pants thing, despite my little "rant". It's the big stuff that really matters. Sure, they're rushing the first bit, probably to give background, like everyone's suggesting. There's a ton of veteran fans out there who are going, "Yeah, so gimme something the first anime didn't." But there are also people who have just gotten into it, and thus need a bit of backstory before things kick into high gear.

Really, I just want them to keep the Royai moments in tact. (Okay, most of the manga storyline. I really like it. But as this is the Royai thread and I'm... well, a tad bit obsessed, Royai is my main--not only!--concern.)

Yeah, I agree... It's a little strange the anime running so fast in that way, in that velocity they'll be as the same point at the manga in a few months... (Like Kale said)
But like CodenameElizabeth said, I hope they make the things in this order until the different part starts (it's between of the 5th laboratory, isn't is?) and after it starts in one normal velocity.
We really don't want what happens in the old anime. (That no-sense history with that no-sense movie :X)

I know! I just saw and it and I was like "WHOA! PAPERWORK! PA.PER.WORK. WHOOOO!"
It's okay, simple things amuse me too...



Oh, so that explains the insane number of yaoi fans. People are just crazy... Well if Anime2 goes as planned with following the manga (so far, so good I guess you could say), you think the number of yaoi fans would go down a bit since in the manga it's...more "straight" than.... "not straight" like it appeared to be in Anime1? (<-- for lack of better words here. I'm sorry, just deal with me, I'm being dumb right now... I need my thesaurus). And I specifically remember when ep 51 came out and that last scene with Roy and Riza was thrown in there, I was like "yay! They'll get together!"



... then the movie came and I'm like "WTF?!?!?!?!? THIS CAME OUT OF NOWHERE!" >:[

I'm also trying to convince my friend the manga is waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy better than Anime1. He won't go for it cuz he's too into anime1... even though I was practically the one who introduced FMA to him... crazy kid

EDIT: WHOA! THAT'S A HUGE POST... IT WAS BI-TCH TO FORMAT, TOO...

Okay, cool, glad that everyone gets what I was saying earlier.

For me, I like that the pacing is as brisk as it is. I think that the problem that the first series suffered from was that it was a bit too slow, despite the really intriguing stories that were being told. With too much filler, you can turn people off (see Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, & Bleach) from the series but not enough extrapolation on certain plot points can turn people off as well.

The fact that they've hit the ground running with the first episode of Brotherhood (with the introduction of Isaac & his Xingese alchemy) is great because it sets up for the type of alchemy that Ed & company will be introduced to once they meet Ling & Mei; also with the first episode, there's no need to delay the introduction of Roy & friends until a later episode like in the first series.

As far as all of those particular Royai moments that we (I am including myself in this) are clamoring for, if the Aniplex character page is anything to go by, they'll be there. I mean, in the first episode alone, we're (new & old fans) introduced to Riza long-suffering minding of Roy and his antics.

I actually don't mind all that much some changes. As long as they don't get any 'contradictions' with the manga, it's ok by me! (I just miss the skirt, because Riza looks hot on it XD)

About the rhythm, I don't think is THAT rushed. I mean, first, we're kinda used to the one in the first anime, which as REALLY slow, so, when we have something a little more up paced, we think they're speeding up. And, more than that, even considering they ARE a bit rushed, they have all the reasons to do so, because, taking too long in these episodes which most FMA fans have already seen TWICE (in the manga and the first anime) will really make people wanna stop watching. But they still need to do it for the sake of those who are not familiar to FMA and the fans who were dying to see somethings like the chat between Riza and Winry and the chat between Ed and Rose.
So, in that sense, even though it was rather quick, I see that it was the best they could do regarding the circumstances. If they were to do it any slower, it wouldn't have worked too well.

And, if they're really thinking the way I think they are, they'll slow it down once they get to the point where the story really starts developing.


Even more than that, there's also the differences between manga art and anime art. They HAVE to adapt somethings in order to make a GOOD anime and not something that only the 'manga fans' will enjoy. If they turned the manga into a storyboard of the anime, it would come out boring and even 'off paced', because the rhythm required for an animation is not the same as the one required in comics.
Long dialogs don't work well on video, repeating once and again a single phrase doesn't work well on video (can anyone say Saint Seiya?? Not that I don't like it, I LOVE it, but noone can say those phrases repeated 11 times in a row were attractive! It like: 'OK!!! We get it!! 5 Bronze Saints ALONE defeated all Silver Saints!!!They are truly impressive!')... so they do have to adapt.

This is what I was thinking as well. Especially when there are several plot-points going on at the same time.

As the manga itself was starting, there were several chapters devoted to solely explaining the backstory, but at the same time it suffered from having filler bits. In doing away with the filler, the writers of Brotherhood can focus on the major plots & the importance of the relationships that are strengthened as the story goes on.

I'm sure that they're pacing briskly through the first part for that purpose. Later on, as we all know, the manga is quite fast in its pacing itself, with many sub-plots occurring within the main plot, so, setting the pace now, then calming down later on is the best thing to do. Hopefully they don't screw it, as at the back of my mind I have that small fear, but hopefully they don't. The next two episodes (from which we have seen footage in the commercials) show the epicness of what is coming. And I'm so looking forward for all.

As for the Royai, EVERYTHING needs to be included. At least the essential parts