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Alzea
I thought about it to. Just how did she know it's Envy and not Roy...I wonder, I wonder... *still hopes this trick thing was only trick on us, Envy and Ed and 'calling her Riza when they're alone' was true*
Turdaewen
QUOTE (Sannom @ Apr 10 2009, 12:43 PM) *
You read too much into things wink.gif Just like many FMA fans do. At the core, Arakawa's style is very simple, there is no need to speculate endlessly happy.gif

Yeah, I know she is... I'm just curious about what made her notice.
DistantBlue
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Apr 10 2009, 08:37 AM) *
I just hope his rampage is over already and he comes to his senses... He's trully a good person and would be really 'lost' if he doesn't. Riza is really one amazing person..

But, about that whole 'fake Royai', I'm kinda wondering now that I've read the hole thing with translations and all: Riza didn't seem to suspect Envy when he first appeared as Roy. Something about what he said when he asked her to keep close and follow (and called her Lieutenant) made her realize it wasn't him... But WHAT made her realize?
From her expression it seems that him calling her lieutenant really caught her attention, somehow.
Or maybe it was the fact that he accepted her following him without much of a fight??

I just think there's something else there we quite don't know about, yet.


Yeah, that's the first thing I noticed, too. My guess it's either a translation error, or that, quite simply, there's something we don't know about yet.

Its really been bugging me, though. She seemed to honestly believe Roy/Envy, up to the point when he said 'Follow me, Lieutenant', or, more specifically, 'Come along/come on' or whatever he said. Maybe its as simple as her remembering he was so consistent on her not interfering and following him, or his suddenly calm attitude.

I hope believe, however, it is something we do not know. Gah, if only someone saw it happen, then in the next chapter someone could say 'Hey, how'd you know?' and we'd get either a straightforward answer that crushes our hopes and dreams, or something that will make us all swoon. wub.gif

I wonder what would happen if we find out Mustang had been hanging out just outside the door and heard her say that. rolleyes.gif

One thing is for sure - this will be brought up again in a future chapter, if not the next. Arakawa wouldn't let something like this die.
Turdaewen
Nah! It's no translation error. XD

It's probably something Arakawa will tell later on.
Sannom
QUOTE
But, about that whole 'fake Royai', I'm kinda wondering now that I've read the hole thing with translations and all: Riza didn't seem to suspect Envy when he first appeared as Roy. Something about what he said when he asked her to keep close and follow (and called her Lieutenant) made her realize it wasn't him... But WHAT made her realize?


Like I said, I think the answer is really simple wink.gif Roy/Envy asked her to stay close just after "scolding" her for disobeying and coming to his help. Anyone would think this suspicious, right? You would think he would order her to go back.
amestris_star
I still don't know why everybody is worrying about the fake Royai thing... Riza said that because she knew it wasn't Roy right in front of her. She definitely wouldn't have said that in the presence of Roy.

Plus, Riza knows Roy for... FOREVER... so there was something in the way Envy was talking to her that made suspiscious, hence why she told him what she told him.
Kale Mustang
Between Ed, Scar, and Riza, I think they'll be able to get Roy out of it.

All three of them know that despite everything, Roy has a good heart and will do amazing things as Fueher - he just has to live long enough to make it. Both Ed & Scar know the levels of grief that Roy felt when Maes died and of course Scar knows what can happen when one is hellbent on revenge.

Riza is Roy's rock, as she keeps him grounded as he does for her. Riza will never let Roy down as she knows that since she created the 'Flame Alchemist', failing him is the same as failing herself.


Sannom
QUOTE
I still don't know why everybody is worrying about the fake Royai thing... Riza said that because she knew it wasn't Roy right in front of her.


More like "She wasn't sure", no?
amestris_star
QUOTE (Sannom @ Apr 10 2009, 06:41 PM) *
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I still don't know why everybody is worrying about the fake Royai thing... Riza said that because she knew it wasn't Roy right in front of her.


More like "She wasn't sure", no?


A couple of phrases and she got him - she said that thing just to confirm.
Turdaewen
QUOTE (Sannom @ Apr 10 2009, 01:41 PM) *
QUOTE
I still don't know why everybody is worrying about the fake Royai thing... Riza said that because she knew it wasn't Roy right in front of her.


More like "She wasn't sure", no?

Yeah... I guess it was more like that XD
And, really, I didn't know I would bring such an uproar with what I said, I was just wondering XD lol
Forgiven
I know this is probably old news, or maybe it was just a joke, but here you go:

Editor's Note: I'm told that in the manga it was specified that Riza loves Mustang. If you have any additional information about this, please contact me. I'm also told that in the August 2006 issue of Beckett Anime Insider there is a section called anime amour in which Riza and Mustang's relationship is discussed. They say "Their relationship might be subtle but it's there, they prove a relationship doesn't have to be lovey dovey to be strong." It also says "Roy and Riza share a level of intimacy that goes beyond words. They never say I love you but it is clear that they do love each other. Roy and Riza are not simply lovers but also friends and companions in the journey toward completing Roy's goals."

Taken from this website: http://www.absoluteanime.com/fullmetal_alchemist/riza.htm

Might have posted this already, just not sure.
amestris_star
That is so cute <3

Well, whatever they do screams Royai to me, even a look, or a phrase. Even this chapter had hints to me.
Might be teeny weeny obsessed but nevermind, I like it >D
Makika
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Apr 10 2009, 12:37 PM) *
I just hope his rampage is over already and he comes to his senses... He's trully a good person and would be really 'lost' if he doesn't. Riza is really one amazing person..

But, about that whole 'fake Royai', I'm kinda wondering now that I've read the hole thing with translations and all: Riza didn't seem to suspect Envy when he first appeared as Roy. Something about what he said when he asked her to keep close and follow (and called her Lieutenant) made her realize it wasn't him... But WHAT made her realize?
From her expression it seems that him calling her lieutenant really caught her attention, somehow.
Or maybe it was the fact that he accepted her following him without much of a fight??


I think the thing about him calling her lieutenant is not a trick, Roy really calls she by Riza when they're together and alone.
She just say that because if Envy escape, he can't mess up with them, like he made with Hughes (using the love for Gracia, if u remember, Envy told them about how he killed Hughes).
spectator
I am really impressed by Riza's rationality. The newest chapter indicates that Riza is not a typical soldier who follows order blindly. Maybe, she got the lesson from the fight early between Mustang and Lust -- never let Mustang out of her sight, not even one second.

Not only that, she almost got Envy on her own WITHOUT ALCHEMY. She and her firearms pwn! We shouldn't have worry so much about her. After all, she is Mustang's 'Queen'.

Instead, Mustang is the one I have been worrying about since he started to pursue Envy. Although his fighting ability is superb, if without any backup plus the fact that he is consumed by madness and rage makes him in a disadvantage position. I am really glad that Riza stepped in just in time.

Another long month to know Mustang's ultimate choice.

SNAP OUT OF IT MUSTANG! YOU STILL HAVE A WAR TO FIGHT!
RoyxRizaFan
I was dying this whole chapter. Wow, Roy's really lost it, but its SOOO good..I hope they can snap him out of it soon, because if he wouldn't listen to Riza (and went as far as to snap at her like that) then he must be really out of it.

But it was nice seeing Envy get his [All hail lord Xenu] kicked anyway, though I don't want it to be Roy that kills him, because he's so set on revenge and I'm sure Hughes isnt happy with this at all...

Riza living up to her promise made me go ZOMG that was amazing...My personal fave scene...and her kicking Envy's @$$ too...

As I read it, I thought wouldn't it be hilarious is she shot him in the head and we were like WHAT and then it turned out to be a tranquilizer? tongue.gif
Turdaewen
QUOTE (Forgiven @ Apr 10 2009, 02:09 PM) *
I know this is probably old news, or maybe it was just a joke, but here you go:

Editor's Note: I'm told that in the manga it was specified that Riza loves Mustang. If you have any additional information about this, please contact me. I'm also told that in the August 2006 issue of Beckett Anime Insider there is a section called anime amour in which Riza and Mustang's relationship is discussed. They say "Their relationship might be subtle but it's there, they prove a relationship doesn't have to be lovey dovey to be strong." It also says "Roy and Riza share a level of intimacy that goes beyond words. They never say I love you but it is clear that they do love each other. Roy and Riza are not simply lovers but also friends and companions in the journey toward completing Roy's goals."

Taken from this website: http://www.absoluteanime.com/fullmetal_alchemist/riza.htm

Might have posted this already, just not sure.

Actually, yes, that has been mentioned before... But whoever said that there's confirmation in the manga that Riza loves Roy. NO, it doesn't. Not up until now. They sure share a deep bound between the two of them and it's somewhat implied that they have some 'unsolved issues' (at least I can't see any other reason for Riza snapping like she did by the mere idea of Roy being killed), but there's no such thing as a clear statement on that.
Whatever is the true nature of their relationship, is not clear, yet.

QUOTE (Makika @ Apr 10 2009, 03:51 PM) *
I think the thing about him calling her lieutenant is not a trick, Roy really calls she by Riza when they're together and alone.
She just say that because if Envy escape, he can't mess up with them, like he made with Hughes (using the love for Gracia, if u remember, Envy told them about how he killed Hughes).

Yes, but the only time we actually SEE him calling her Riza was when they were teens and in a VERY extreme situation: the death of Master Hawkeye. And could be out of desperation, since they weren't military and, by the looks of it, not that intimate in any way.

QUOTE (spectator @ Apr 10 2009, 04:33 PM) *
I am really impressed by Riza's rationality. The newest chapter indicates that Riza is not a typical soldier who follows order blindly. Maybe, she got the lesson from the fight early between Mustang and Lust -- never leave Mustang out of her side, not even one second.

Not only that, she almost got Envy on her own WITHOUT ALCHEMY. She and her firearms pwn! We shouldn't have worry so much about her. After all, she is Mustang's 'Queen'.

Instead, Mustang is the one I have been worrying about since he started to pursue Envy. Although his fighting ability is superb, if without any backup plus the fact that he is consumed by madness and rage makes him in a disadvantage position. I am really glad that Riza stepped in just in time.

Another long month to know Mustang's ultimate choice.

SNAP OUT OF IT MUSTANG! YOU STILL HAVE A WAR TO FIGHT!

Yes, she's REALLY something, isn't she?
amestris_star
I always thought Chapter 39 confirms Royai to the full, with many many other instances following it.

With respect to Chapter 94, Riza (possibly with the help of Ed and Scar) is the only person that can make him step out of his current state of mind.
She's the person that knows him best in the world to put it straight, so... it's all up to her.
Darn, I'm already yearning for 95 now.
crazyanimefan
Holy cow, I am dying! This chapter made me scream out loud and read on the edge of my seat. Riza, who is freaking amazing, is really Roy's rock. She's what keeps him stable, sane, and keeps him in line. She knows he's gone to far and she's devoted enough to keep her promise and hold her gun to his head. But waiting a VERY long month to find out what happens next? KILLER.
rainbowcatgirl
I have a question .

Riza siad that " The Colonel only calls me Riza when were alone" then she tells Envy " Just kidding", Was she really kidding or not?
Turdaewen
QUOTE (rainbowcatgirl @ Apr 10 2009, 11:09 PM) *
I have a question .

Riza siad that " The Colonel only calls me Riza when were alone" then she tells Envy " Just kidding", Was she really kidding or not?

No way to tell XD
But, she probably was kidding.
riza'slittlesister
I am not coherent right now. That was stunning. I will definitely be rereading that a few times. I got really excited for the Royai moment before she said "just kidding." I really hope that isn't true (though it very likely is) (or doesn't stay true...). Bleh. I hate reality checks. However, in reality, Riza is the best, as we just saw. We should have guessed that guns would prove useful after all her complaining that they weren't! I was pleased to see that she got 3rd in the poll!!! After this chapter, she might have pulled 2nd, even.

jawdrop.gif thumbsup_still.png shok.gif

But what an epic chapter. Need I say that I can't wait for 95? Didn't think so.
Makika
QUOTE (rainbowcatgirl @ Apr 10 2009, 11:09 PM) *
I have a question .

Riza siad that " The Colonel only calls me Riza when were alone" then she tells Envy " Just kidding", Was she really kidding or not?



I hope not biggrin.gif
We'll just discovering that (with shure) in the next chapters...
FMAobsessed
I too cannot wait for chapter 95. One thing that surprised me was the way Roy swore at Riza. She is following his orders and keeping her promise to him. But Roy is so bent on revenge, he seems to have forgotten that 'promise' of theirs.

Also the way that Roy looks throughout this chapter is scary. When he tells Riza that he will kill Envy near the end, the look he gives her is heartbreaking. It is like he is completely lost. But I don't believe that he is completely lost. I think that Ed, Scar, and Riza will talk him out of it, and remind him of his ideals and goals.

Scar could mention the whole "Revenge will consume your soul." (I am glad that it is confirmed that Scar is not all bent on revenge and that he has changed)

I think that Riza will bring him back. She is his rock and she knows him the best. If that happens I think that in my mind that would be a huge Royai scene. Because in chapter 39 we saw how Riza reacted when she thought he was dead. But if in chapter 95 we see Riza "saving" Roy we will see how much they rely and truly trust each other.

Well those are my predictions. Sorry for the rambling, but I needed to get all of that out.
Causmicfire
I'll agree that Roy looks rather frightening in this chapter, and that Riza pwns.

It just made sense for her to question Roy's identity, as "he" should have hers. They both knew Envy could change forms, and he even told her to stay back, and then she shows up. With the state Roy was in after Envy shifted to Hughes, you'd think he would question Riza's appearance even more if it were really him(not that those of us who read the spoilers didn't know, but logically it would follow). So, Riza probably had her doubts as soon as he relaxed his hand.
amestris_star
QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Apr 11 2009, 06:31 AM) *
I too cannot wait for chapter 95. One thing that surprised me was the way Roy swore at Riza. She is following his orders and keeping her promise to him. But Roy is so bent on revenge, he seems to have forgotten that 'promise' of theirs.

Also the way that Roy looks throughout this chapter is scary. When he tells Riza that he will kill Envy near the end, the look he gives her is heartbreaking. It is like he is completely lost. But I don't believe that he is completely lost. I think that Ed, Scar, and Riza will talk him out of it, and remind him of his ideals and goals.

Scar could mention the whole "Revenge will consume your soul." (I am glad that it is confirmed that Scar is not all bent on revenge and that he has changed)

I think that Riza will bring him back. She is his rock and she knows him the best. If that happens I think that in my mind that would be a huge Royai scene. Because in chapter 39 we saw how Riza reacted when she thought he was dead. But if in chapter 95 we see Riza "saving" Roy we will see how much they rely and truly trust each other.

Well those are my predictions. Sorry for the rambling, but I needed to get all of that out.


In actual fact, after thinking a lot on the chapter, I'm starting to think that the next scene will be a reversal of what we had seen in 39, i.e. Riza will save Roy this time, turning the tables round. Riza was completely lost, when Lust told her that she had killed Roy, went into a savage killing spree against her and hadn't Roy intervened, she would have been dead (and there was also Al there in that case) as she was completely out of herself.

This time, it is Roy that is completely out of himself. He's just lost focus over his primary goal and forgetting of his real aims, all because of revenge. He even swore in her face, for heaven's sake, and that's so NOT Roy.
He's so close to reach his goals, she's so close to make him arrive to those goals. They can't let go now. Not for revenge. Not for killing that thing.
Riza needs to be by his side. She needs to get him back.
(And I need Chapter 95).

EDIT: I think this fanart summarises my feeling on how I would like future events to unfold:

http://www.geocities.jp/yn_cq/illust/mousou-090411.jpg
Alzea
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Apr 11 2009, 11:30 AM) *
EDIT: I think this fanart summarises my feeling on how I would like future events to unfold:

http://www.geocities.jp/yn_cq/illust/mousou-090411.jpg
Awww, lovely~! I think this fanart summarises what all of us want to see. Such an ending of this situation would be cute and even kind of possible if Scar and Ed wouldn't be present. Still love it and want to see this happen~
amestris_star
QUOTE (Alzea @ Apr 11 2009, 12:39 PM) *
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Apr 11 2009, 11:30 AM) *
EDIT: I think this fanart summarises my feeling on how I would like future events to unfold:

http://www.geocities.jp/yn_cq/illust/mousou-090411.jpg
Awww, lovely~! I think this fanart summarises what all of us want to see. Such an ending of this situation would be cute and even kind of possible if Scar and Ed wouldn't be present. Still love it and want to see this happen~


It won't happen I know that, but it's nice to imagine it that way...
Considering... there's always someone around when huge Royai happens, against Lust there was Al. Against Gluttony there were Fuery and Hayate (not that Hayate counts anyway...)
Now against Envy, there's Ed and Scar.
Can we have a time when they're on their own Hiromu, pretty please?
StormGoddess
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Apr 10 2009, 08:37 AM) *
But, about that whole 'fake Royai', I'm kinda wondering now that I've read the hole thing with translations and all: Riza didn't seem to suspect Envy when he first appeared as Roy. Something about what he said when he asked her to keep close and follow (and called her Lieutenant) made her realize it wasn't him... But WHAT made her realize?
From her expression it seems that him calling her lieutenant really caught her attention, somehow.
Or maybe it was the fact that he accepted her following him without much of a fight??

I just think there's something else there we quite don't know about, yet.



QUOTE (Alzea @ Apr 10 2009, 08:44 AM) *
I thought about it to. Just how did she know it's Envy and not Roy...I wonder, I wonder... *still hopes this trick thing was only trick on us, Envy and Ed and 'calling her Riza when they're alone' was true*


Isn't it that Riza can sense if someone in front/back/side/wherever of her is human or not? Like when she first met Selim? Not sure though, but my theory is that she did that trick just to confirm if it wasn't Roy. huh.gif But yeah, really, I hope it's true. *crosses fingers* *prays for more royai in the next chapter*


Uhm... sorry for poppin' out here unexpectedly. blush.gif
Turdaewen
I was discussing this chapter in another forum and I realized something:
This situation is a kind of test for Roy. He always says his final goal is to become Fuhrer and change the country and even made it a promise for many people and now is the time for him to show just how true is his 'goal' of his and how far he's willing to go to get there.

It's very easy to say you have a purpose in life in times that purpose doesn't go against your own feelings. Even when there's obstacles like people, lack of money and all those sorts of things Roy has been facing since Ishbal, it's not as hard to keep your mind in your goal. It's somewhat easy to overcome barriers like that than overcoming things like your own feelings and desires. Roy will have to choose to either avenge Hughes or stay true to his promise. He can't have both.
If Mustang TRULLY wants to become Fuhrer of Amestris and change that country, he'll have to realize, at this point, that he'll have to sacrifice not only material things or even his 'reputation' or so. He'll have to sacrifice himself and somethings he believe are right.

Up till this chapter, Roy never had to face the true weight of the consequences for his choice of becoming Fuhrer and, before he takes any decisions, he needs to understand all of that, or else, he can regret this for the rest of his life.

Amestris is bigger than him and his will for revenge and if he overlooks the needs of Amestris in favour of his own conscience as he's doing right now, it's better he doesn't become Fuhrer and that would make him as bad as Bradley.
jacksparrow589
Well said, Turdaewen!

I'm all for Riza turning the tables and saving Roy emotionally. Hopefully the fanart that amestris_star put that link to will become something of a reality. On that note, does anybody know what they're saying? I'd really like to know.

However, I also think (as several people have mentioned), that Scar's there for a reason: he can help Roy. Ed, too. All four present have their share of burdens, so they can relate to where Roy's coming from, and hopefully give him the what-for so that he doesn't go off the deep end. I sense catharsis in the next chapter, and possibly for more than just Roy.

sToRm GodDesS-I don't know if Riza can actually sense whether people are human or not. I think it's more that she just has VERY keen instincts, and she listens to them. Her last name is Hawkeye, right? Stupid question, I know, but here's my point: she has that name for a reason. She is an excellent observer, and generally knows when something is the slightest bit off. It's the Xingese characters who can actually differentiate between human and homunculus without knowing anything about the situation.
amestris_star
QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Apr 11 2009, 05:03 PM) *
Well said, Turdaewen!

I'm all for Riza turning the tables and saving Roy emotionally. Hopefully the fanart that amestris_star put that link to will become something of a reality. On that note, does anybody know what they're saying? I'd really like to know.

However, I also think (as several people have mentioned), that Scar's there for a reason: he can help Roy. Ed, too. All four present have their share of burdens, so they can relate to where Roy's coming from, and hopefully give him the what-for so that he doesn't go off the deep end. I sense catharsis in the next chapter, and possibly for more than just Roy.


Like I said before, dunno if I said it here actually, this situation is sort of the inverse of the Roy/Riza vs Lust scene. Over there, it was Riza that was completely out of herself, acting irrationally because Lust had told her that Roy was dead. And there came Roy to save her from the whole situation
This time, the situation is different - Riza needs to save Roy, who is acting totally out of himself. He'll be back to normal soon, but Riza has to put back some sense in him, hopefully as soon as possible.
And yes, I agree, Scar is there for a reason.

With respect to the fanart, the only thing I managed to read was the Thank you said by Roy in the last panel.
RoyxRizaFan
It seems like Riza noticed it was Roy when he said for her to ome with him. He called her 'lieutenant' in the first panel, and she didnt seem phased.

http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/94/34/

We've seen them alone together before, and he's always called her "lietenant". I like the idea that she recieved the homonculus vibe, but she didn't seem suspicious until he asked her to come along.

@ storm goddess - Welcome to the RoyAi thread (if you haven't posted here before)

@ Turdeawen - nice ideas!

@ amestris star - I LOOOOOVE your siggy!

And this is totally curious, but I think Riza looked so pretty in this chapter! She always does, I guess, but it's been a while since we've seen her...and having her hair down is nice, too!

And Im so happy she made number three!
Turdaewen
She does look pretty!!! Beautiful, actually. XD
Which is a little strange, considering she's all mad and hurt.
amestris_star
QUOTE (RoyxRizaFan @ Apr 11 2009, 05:27 PM) *
@ amestris star - I LOOOOOVE your siggy!

And this is totally curious, but I think Riza looked so pretty in this chapter! She always does, I guess, but it's been a while since we've seen her...and having her hair down is nice, too!

And Im so happy she made number three!


Thanks biggrin.gif

Riza rules >D And the popularity contest has shown that wink.gif

Yep, I think the last time I saw her with her hair down was when they encountered Barry the Chopper... and Roy was SO PISSED when Barry was being all lovey-dovey with Riza...
He's so jealous of his woman >D
Turdaewen
QUOTE (amestris_star @ Apr 11 2009, 12:31 PM) *
QUOTE (RoyxRizaFan @ Apr 11 2009, 05:27 PM) *
@ amestris star - I LOOOOOVE your siggy!

And this is totally curious, but I think Riza looked so pretty in this chapter! She always does, I guess, but it's been a while since we've seen her...and having her hair down is nice, too!

And Im so happy she made number three!


Thanks biggrin.gif

Riza rules >D And the popularity contest has shown that wink.gif

Yep, I think the last time I saw her with her hair down was when they encountered Barry the Chopper... and Roy was SO PISSED when Barry was being all lovey-dovey with Riza...
He's so jealous of his woman >D

She was with her hair down while talking to Ed about Ishbal, too, after that.

Ah!! Somebody was asking what was written in the fanart!! It's written:
"Welcome back, Colonel" "I'm back, Lieutenant." "Thank you"
StormGoddess
jacksparrow589: yeah that's what I'm thinking. Sorry if I used a confusing word. unsure.gif

Turdaewen: That's just... scary. huh.gif

RoyxRizaFan: Thanks. I already posted here before but that was... wait... I can't remember. XD
Saving_Grace
Hey! Haven't been here in a while!

What I assumed when I read the chapter, was that Riza was sort of testing Envy/Roy, with the "He always calls me Riza when we're alone" thing. No super senses or anything like, just being catious by throwing something out there to gauge his reaction. Did that make sense? I'm sick, I think my brain is broken.

Well, I hate to say it, but I'm putting money down on Roy dying. The whole "consumed by his own flames" seemed like foreshadowing to me. Or he'll accidently kill Riza or something like that. Real happy ending.

Is it just me, or did the illustrations in the chapter seem a little darker (for lack of a better word) than usual?
amestris_star
QUOTE (Saving_Grace @ Apr 11 2009, 05:40 PM) *
Well, I hate to say it, but I'm putting money down on Roy dying. The whole "consumed by his own flames" seemed like foreshadowing to me. Or he'll accidently kill Riza or something like that. Real happy ending.

Is it just me, or did the illustrations in the chapter seem a little darker (for lack of a better word) than usual?


Nah I don't think so... my personal opinion is that we had already a great character dying, i.e. Maes. The only person I think could be dying is Hohenheim.
No both Roy and Riza will live till the end, but both of them will be tested. Roy's test to achieving his goal is now. And Riza will be the one to help him go through it (with the help of Ed and Scar).

@Turdaewen: Thanks for the translation, makes the fanart even more cute <3
Turdaewen
QUOTE (Saving_Grace @ Apr 11 2009, 12:40 PM) *
Hey! Haven't been here in a while!

What I assumed when I read the chapter, was that Riza was sort of testing Envy/Roy, with the "He always calls me Riza when we're alone" thing. No super senses or anything like, just being catious by throwing something out there to gauge his reaction. Did that make sense? I'm sick, I think my brain is broken.

Well, I hate to say it, but I'm putting money down on Roy dying. The whole "consumed by his own flames" seemed like foreshadowing to me. Or he'll accidently kill Riza or something like that. Real happy ending.

I really don't see that happening, actually. Unless Arakawa has a death wish. I guess Roy may be as popular (and depending on the country even MORE) than Ed. If she killed him in this lame form, she would have an angry mob on her feet.
Actually, I was chatting to other FMA fans and we came to terms that, probably, the top 5 in the popularity contest (who are also the main characters) are kinda 'safe' until the end of the manga. IF they die, will be at the very end.

And the "consumed by his own flames", for me, it's already happening. It's not exactly a foreshadowing but something already present. Which doesn't mean he'll ACTUALLY die by it, but the fact of him being the 'Flame Alchemist' and having to deal with the intensity of his own emotions is symbolic big enough for me.
amestris_star
QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Apr 11 2009, 05:48 PM) *
QUOTE (Saving_Grace @ Apr 11 2009, 12:40 PM) *
Hey! Haven't been here in a while!

What I assumed when I read the chapter, was that Riza was sort of testing Envy/Roy, with the "He always calls me Riza when we're alone" thing. No super senses or anything like, just being catious by throwing something out there to gauge his reaction. Did that make sense? I'm sick, I think my brain is broken.

Well, I hate to say it, but I'm putting money down on Roy dying. The whole "consumed by his own flames" seemed like foreshadowing to me. Or he'll accidently kill Riza or something like that. Real happy ending.

I really don't see that happening, actually. Unless Arakawa has a death wish. I guess Roy may be as popular (and depending on the country even MORE) than Ed. If she killed him in this lame form, she would have an angry mob on her feet.
Actually, I was chatting to other FMA fans and we came to terms that, probably, the top 5 in the popularity contest (who are also the main characters) are kinda 'safe' until the end of the manga. IF they die, will be at the very end.

And the "consumed by his own flames", for me, it's already happening. It's not exactly a foreshadowing but something already present. Which doesn't mean he'll ACTUALLY die by it, but the fact of him being the 'Flame Alchemist' and having to deal with the intensity of his own emotions is symbolic big enough for me.


My thoughts exactly.
If Hiromu wants to die early, she could do that.
But, even considering how much Roy and Riza are loved, she won't. Plus, I think having killed off Maes was already something big.
StormGoddess
I don't want Roy to die either. And with strong people around him, I don't think they will let him die easily. sad.gif

amestris_star: love your siggy too! happy.gif
Saving_Grace
Ah, see I don't think character popularity would stop her. Authors/creators/whatever kill off beloved characters all the time. And if you are right? Well, to be honest, I think I'd lose a lot of respect for her if it turned out that she let fan opinion dictate the direction of her story.

As for the "consumed by his own flames" thing? Okay, let me rephrase that, I don't think that Roy is going to literally burn to death by his own hands (give me a break), I just think he is a target. Like for example, he's going to go into his angry little rage, stuff something up and have to sacrifice himself to fix it... Okay, so perhaps not exactly like that, but you know, something along those lines. I think when it all comes down to it, I just can't see Roy having a happily-ever-after.

I don't think he's safe at all, in fact I think he's got a big flippin' bullseye on his head. Considering that we are pretty close to the end, it wouldn't suprise me if she started killing people off in the next few chapters; we've already lost Kimbley (but chances are he might pop back). The only character who I would dub as 100 percent safe is Winry.
amestris_star
QUOTE (sToRm GodDesS @ Apr 11 2009, 06:25 PM) *
I don't want Roy to die either. And with strong people around him, I don't think they will let him die easily. sad.gif

amestris_star: love your siggy too! happy.gif


Thank you ^.^
Makika
Oh, the thing of Popularity is important, but if u stop to remember, mangas like Naruto (for example) already killed popular characters like Jiraiya and Kakashi. (Hiromu is friend of the Kishimoto brothers).

But I really want that anything bad happens to them, if Hiromu kill them, the serie will lost a huge number of fans worldwide, and she knows that.

Already, all the deaths in FMA had a big participation in the progress of the history. The death of Hughes don't had a biiiiig influency likes Trisha's death until now. In my opinion the Hughes's death will serve to test Roy's ideals and emoctions and Riza's loyalty.

Like someone here said, Roy can't have both (revenge and his ideals to become a good Fuhrer). Now is the time to he decide, and Riza, Ed and Scar will help him.

amestris_star: Oh, your siggy is cute. *-*
RoyxRizaFan
Yeah, I don't think Arakawa would base her story on popularity poles if she wanted to do something different, but I don't think this is the end for Roy. And if he lives, it might not be a happily ever after, but it doesn't have to be tragic, either, if that makes sense.

But Saving Grace, your avatar = WIN

I forgot to mention earlier, I don't know who said it but I liked the comparison of the Lust battle to this one, except for Riza has to save Roy this time, because now he's given up on himself and let his feelings for someone's who's lost take over him. It's really similar now that I think about it, those two situations.
Alzea
I don't think she is going to kill them, she likes them too much and they're too imprtant right now, maybe at the very end of the series...*don't want to even think about it*
She won't base it on the popularity poles besides she's got planned ending from the very beginning of the FMA...
I can see them happy together, maybe not as a ruler of Amestris but somehow I can do it and remember Arakawa's words from the SGG's March issue:
QUOTE (Hiromu Arakawa)
After all, I want the characters who've worked so hard to be happy, and I want to properly give the characters who will be defeated in battle their own place to end.

Roy is for sure the one who is working hard here so I still hope for some kind of happy ending for royai~tongue.gif
Claudius
"Why is AnimeRoy so depressed in the movie?"

Read this month's chapter and you will know.
amestris_star
QUOTE (Alzea @ Apr 11 2009, 08:26 PM) *
I don't think she is going to kill them, she likes them too much and they're too imprtant right now, maybe at the very end of the series...*don't want to even think about it*
She won't base it on the popularity poles besides she's got planned ending from the very beginning of the FMA...
I can see them happy together, maybe not as a ruler of Amestris but somehow I can do it and remember Arakawa's words from the SGG's March issue:
QUOTE (Hiromu Arakawa)
After all, I want the characters who've worked so hard to be happy, and I want to properly give the characters who will be defeated in battle their own place to end.

Roy is for sure the one who is working hard here so I still hope for some kind of happy ending for royai~tongue.gif


Thank God for that phrase from Hiromu *__*

@makika: Thank you! smile.gif
riza'slittlesister
People have been asking how Riza knew it wasn't Roy. My guess is the fact that he said "Come on." Right after that we see that Riza's deduced that it's not him. One of the things everyone notices about Roy is the fact that he never orders people to come with him. He's always asking Riza (and the others, less frequently) whether she's sure about following him, telling her there's time to turn back and all that. I think she had her suspicions and his saying "Come on" pretty much settled it for her. He also usually argues more. That's what immediately came to mind for me though.

Someone also asked why Riza let the others leave after seeing how angry Roy got (it might have been on a different board though... oh well!). I think that she is pretty confident that if anyone can remind him of his goals, she can. The way she trailed off on the "If not then..." suggests to me that she knows that Roy is really close to choosing revenge, which would mean he was straying and she'd have to fulfill her promise. I think she'd want to spare him the indignity of anyone knowing what had happened, so she could say he was killed by the enemy and let him be remembered as the hero he's tried to be.

On a much less analytical note, I was really excited to see that Scar came with Ed to try to save Roy from himself. That really clinched his change of heart and decision to try forgiveness for me. It seemed very appropriate.

As for whether popular characters are "safe", I know the answer I'd like to give, but I'm not certain anyone's safe. I'm reluctant to see the whole "consumed by his own flames" thing as foreshadowing, because we haven't seen much foreshadowing that's that transparent. I remember having heard that Arakawa had planned the ending long ago, and because the ending is so close, it wouldn't do her too much damage to kill off even the most popular characters. The only people I'm relatively sure of are Winry, Bosch, and Maria. Winry because I don't think she'd kill her off, and Bosch and Maria because he just found out she was alive, and I don't think that would be included if one of them were about to die without seeing the other again. But I could be wrong.

Approx. 29 more days! wink.gif
amestris_star
Since my sig pic picque a lot of interest:

http://www.geocities.jp/yn_cq/

There you go: amazing Royai pictures, artist is totally amazing ^^
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