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RoyxRizaFan
Hey, Andie! I hope you stick around and help us spread the RoyAi love!!!

About anime/movie Roy, yeah, I can understand most of what he did, though sometimes it still confuses me why he was all happy at the end of the anime, then emo in the movie. I mean, I get why he's emo, and he has every reason to be upset. The question is, why is he happy at the end of the anime? It's kind of inconsistant, at least in my opinion...

But animeRoy and mangaRoy are so different that sometimes I don't bother.

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YESSS lastly, let's hope Arakawa sensei gives us a good ending for Roy Taisa and Hawkeye Chuui.
I dun care if you have to kill him *please nooooooo*, if it's a heroic death then yea lolz
But I do want them to live and get married.
Make his way up to being the Fuhrer (like you mentioned ) would be nice *looks greedy*
RoyXHawkeye = Baby roy *Kyaaaaaaaa* wonder how the baby would look like *Shows a Evil Pervert look*


Wouldn't that be ideal? LOL I doubt that even if it did happen, that it'd be shown in the story. I could be wrong, though. You never know what Arakawa's going to do next...

Speaking of Arakawa, she mentioned in an interview that the scene she was most looking forward to seeing animated was Roy vs. Lust!!! I was freaking out because that's one of my fave scenes, too!
Turdaewen
QUOTE (RoyxRizaFan @ Feb 21 2009, 03:07 PM) *
Hey, Andie! I hope you stick around and help us spread the RoyAi love!!!

About anime/movie Roy, yeah, I can understand most of what he did, though sometimes it still confuses me why he was all happy at the end of the anime, then emo in the movie. I mean, I get why he's emo, and he has every reason to be upset. The question is, why is he happy at the end of the anime? It's kind of inconsistant, at least in my opinion...

But animeRoy and mangaRoy are so different that sometimes I don't bother.

Yay!!! New people!!! \o/

I have that too. I mean, I kinda thought animeMustang a little inconsistant. At one time, he's really full of himself, than, he's depressed to the point of killing himself, than he's happy again, and then, he's sulking. Kinda like an maniac-depressive sort of character! lol
But then, I read the manga and it all made SO much more sense. And he's not the emotional rollercoaster he's in the anime. I love the anime, don't get me wrong, but I really do think they made a big mistake by following the plot of Arakawa at first, than changing it, because the line of thought just got lost in the middle.
Some facades of Roy are kinda without explanation, like the idea of him being a 'ladies man' or even the deep attachment he has to Riza. For me, it makes no sense without the hole charade he's putting on, trying to get to the top.

It would have been a lot better for them to just follow a different line altoguether!

QUOTE (RoyxRizaFan @ Feb 21 2009, 03:07 PM) *
Wouldn't that be ideal? LOL I doubt that even if it did happen, that it'd be shown in the story. I could be wrong, though. You never know what Arakawa's going to do next...

Speaking of Arakawa, she mentioned in an interview that the scene she was most looking forward to seeing animated was Roy vs. Lust!!! I was freaking out because that's one of my fave scenes, too!


Yeah!! I heard about that!! And I sorta expected that, since Arakawa also says that scene of Roy vs. Lust was ready and defined since she starting drawing FMA. And that's why she made Havoc a smoker. XD
jacksparrow589
^It's really going to be animated? Words do not express my joy! I have wanted to see that scene animated ever since I read it, and that was... gee, probably sophomore year of high school! Almost three years!

Anyway, hello to you, Andie! Pull up a beanbag chair and make yourself comfortable. As to your question, I'm with you: They've got an incredible bond, and, well, they just look good together! Oh, and I love the icon!

I think the anime was too focused on Ed and Al's struggle to get much of a backstory on anything else. I'm not saying I don't like the main characters, but it would have made much more sense with thorough explanations of everything. I could be very wrong, but I think Roy's overreacting (<---for lack of a better word) was to show how much Ishbal affected him. Since we get more of his thoughts in the manga, those scenes are uneccessary, and the thing flows better as a whole. But that's just me.
FMAobsessed
I can't wait for the Lust vs Roy scene to be animated. I hope they do a good job. I also hope that the staff doesn't leave out any of the Royai moments from that fight. I find it interesting the way that Arakawa has such a way with details in her story.

Hello Andie it is awesome to meet another Royai fan.
Munou_No_MustangTaisa
QUOTE (FailToImpress @ Feb 19 2009, 11:35 AM) *
What's a Gekijouban?

Anyway, I know it's just an opinion on what the outcome of the anime story was, but these things aren't always going to go in favour of what you like, unfortunately. I'm sure they had reasons for their work on the storyline. I'll admit that what happened to Mustang at the end of the series and in the movie weren't exactly what I was expecting to happen, but it doesn't bother me that much.



Gekijouban = The Movie

I can understand that things won't always go as we wanted
It's good that you can live with what Mizushima did

If Mizushima did not have enough material back then and
was forced to finish off the project in 51 episodes
(one of the conclusions my net pal made on this matter)

I rather Mizushima make a short intro of how the Elric brothers end up with automail and armor body,
then use the novel stories to make curious adventures
(similar to Natsume Yuujinchou type of story telling, I loved it)
and not make any connections with the original plot at all.

What Mizushima did was RUSH RUSH RUSH!!
The Elric brothers should be the only ones having the happy ending
All the others character can be thrown in a freezer, ditched or killed off (Mizushima loves to do this for Gundam series)
Draw half of every picture, Ahhh who cares about Winry and Roy's hate relationship CUT CUT CUT no frames to spare for this RUSH RUSH RUSH!!
Taisa? Chuui? Scar? Izumi sensei? GTFO!! The Brothers FTW!!
Hmmm doreamon time trip cross world would be nice........
YEAH who care if this doesnt make sense!!
IT'S MY HAGAREN!!!!!! MUAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!!!!!!
NO TIME TO WASTE LET'S FINISH THIS OFF!!!!! TIME IS $$$!!!!!

sorry for ranting again, this is how I felt T_T


Munou


QUOTE (Edamame @ Feb 19 2009, 12:50 PM) *
This is purely my own opinion, and you do need to agree with me in any sense of the word. I believe that Director Mizushima was striving to portray the nature of unattainable dreams in the movie. I believe that Colonel Mustang´s depression stems from his belief that he ultimately "failed" Edward Elric and his inability to protect those he loved including his dearest friend Hughes. I think that Colonel Mustang chose to demote himself because he could not contend with the fact that his position as Fuhrer was obtained not only by his own sweat, blood and tears, but the sweat and tears of others as well. Like Edward in the movie, I think that he chose to isolate himself because he didn´t want to hurt those that he loved, including Hawkeye. Perhaps Mizushima was attempting to show just how human all the characters are and how unfair life sometimes may be. Unfortunately, not every hero can have a happy ending. Just like true life, some endings are bittersweet and not how we want them to be. I think that the strongest characters and best stories are those that do not always end up with everyone getting what they want. That is why I love Roy´s character, because he is so incredibly human and does good, yet doesn´t end up with everything he desired in the end.

Tris: Gekijouban is generally a movie version of a particular anime.


Edamame, Thank you for your detailed explanation
I like how you describe Roy's motives for his depression and what he did in the Gekijouban
I agree with theories laugh.gif

But was it what Mizushima wanted to express? I dunno........ O_o;;

*thanks for explaining what Gekijouban meant~ hee hee*


Munou



QUOTE (RoyxRizaFan @ Feb 21 2009, 11:07 AM) *
Hey, Andie! I hope you stick around and help us spread the RoyAi love!!!

About anime/movie Roy, yeah, I can understand most of what he did, though sometimes it still confuses me why he was all happy at the end of the anime, then emo in the movie. I mean, I get why he's emo, and he has every reason to be upset. The question is, why is he happy at the end of the anime? It's kind of inconsistant, at least in my opinion...

But animeRoy and mangaRoy are so different that sometimes I don't bother.

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YESSS lastly, let's hope Arakawa sensei gives us a good ending for Roy Taisa and Hawkeye Chuui.
I dun care if you have to kill him *please nooooooo*, if it's a heroic death then yea lolz
But I do want them to live and get married.
Make his way up to being the Fuhrer (like you mentioned ) would be nice *looks greedy*
RoyXHawkeye = Baby roy *Kyaaaaaaaa* wonder how the baby would look like *Shows a Evil Pervert look*


Wouldn't that be ideal? LOL I doubt that even if it did happen, that it'd be shown in the story. I could be wrong, though. You never know what Arakawa's going to do next...

Speaking of Arakawa, she mentioned in an interview that the scene she was most looking forward to seeing animated was Roy vs. Lust!!! I was freaking out because that's one of my fave scenes, too!



Hihi, long time no see XDDD

Yea, The Mizushima Roy is too unpredictable.
He made him being feed apple and go happy jolly market shopping at the end
Next thing you see them bounced off to outer space, to the extreme.
I am so emo Chuui!! I am sorry I have to go sit in my corner with blue ghostly shadings and black lines above my head with no explanation scenes........=.=||

Maybe Mizushima likes to have audiences imagine the connecting reason for events in his anime on their own.........=.=|| IF THING DUN MAKE SENSE THE KEY IS IMAGINEEEEEE!!!!!!! HAHA.....=.=||

Couldnt help myself ranting about Mizushima when you guys talk about the anime Roy, sorry


Yesssssss those are ideal dreamy Royai endings,
but Yea i agree Arakawa sensei suprises us too much.
So I'll be good and wait for her version of Royai ending tongue.gif
*Tries to be patient...........arghhhhhh......be good.....munou.......>.<||*

Yea I read that interview as well, I am so happy we are all awaiting for the same favorite scene as her. I hope they put more action in that scene to make it more exciting. I remember sensei saying something about not having enough pages to draw more of that scene back then and she wishes they would do more in the animated version. I have a wish like this as well. Before Roy burns Lust to ashes, I hope they could make them jump around the room fighting a bit or something like that. At least extend the fight a bit longer would be kool~ hee hee. *Kyaaaaaaaa April 5th here we come!!*


Munou
Andie
Thanks for the warm welcome!

QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Feb 21 2009, 04:16 PM) *
I can't wait for the Lust vs Roy scene to be animated. I hope they do a good job. I also hope that the staff doesn't leave out any of the Royai moments from that fight. I find it interesting the way that Arakawa has such a way with details in her story.


Me too! The first time I read this scene, I was cursing the fact that the old anime never showed it! It was one of the most single badass moments of the manga. Scratch that, it was one of the most badass moments in any manga period!

As for anime Roy, he did act kinda weird. Though there was a post somewhere on this forum (I can't remember who did it) which tried to explain his attitude in the movie. It had some good points.

However, one thing I can't stand in the anime is how they handled Mustang's coup. They just cramed this whole subplot into a couple of scenes in the end, with most of Mustang's men in the north and Roy and Hawkeye trying to kill the Fuhrer by themselves. That was... just plain dumb. And then, once the Fuhrer is dead, every thing turns perfect and demoracy is restored and every one is happy with it, even the corrupted boot-licking higher-ups!

No, no, no, I don't think a real revolution would turn that way! At least, in the manga, Roy realises that the government he'll create will probably turn against him!
FMAobsessed
I am wondering if Roy and company will have a happy ending. Because governments that do go through changes are not settled in a blink of an eye. And didn't Riza mention to Ed in a chapter (sorry, I can't remember which one) that her, Roy, Armstrong, and even Hughes could be tried as war criminals. Even if they helped to change the government.

And Ed responded that it wasn't fair that they didn't start the war the homunculus did. But Riza told him that they were the ones that carried out the orders, and were the ones that finished the war.

Ed seemed so innocent in those chapters.

Anyways I hope that our favorite military characters can have a happy ending. But I do believe that they might have more obstacles to overcome besides taking down the military.
Sannom
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And then, once the Fuhrer is dead, every thing turns perfect and democracy is restored and every one is happy with it, even the corrupted boot-licking higher-ups!


I don't know, the government in the anime seems a lot less corrupted than in the manga. They don't all obey to Dante like the officers in the manga obey to Father.
Claudius
QUOTE (Munou_No_MustangTaisa @ Feb 19 2009, 07:44 AM) *
Mizushima made our Taisa obtain a deadly DEPRESSION after he did a good thing for the people.........I mean killing King Bradley was a good deed.........Hawkeye was feeding Roy apple at the end.......why all of a sudden did Roy dump Hawkeye and act so cold to her, then ran off demoting himself to some artic place all alone to station at......Uh? I mean it makes no sense at all.......geez........
Killing Bradley was good in that it permanently snapped Dante's control of the country. However, it ruined Roy's dream of becoming a Fuhrer. He no longer has the moral strength to be a better Fuhrer. He killed for vengeance, hurting Hughes' memory (If Scar must suffer for what he's done, then so must Roy). His plan also led to the death of child. To Roy, the greater good can't clean up the acts of his own stupidity.
Then again, at least AnimeRoy had the common sense to keep his suspicions to his inner circle, not blabbing it to some corrupt higher-up...

As for the 'happy ending', either Roy is putting on a facade (he's good at it) for Riza, or he is actually making an attempt to get over his demons, but eventually failed at it (he's not the only one in anime/manga to go through such a failure).

For further details, read my Roy's Defeat essay.
Andie
QUOTE (Sannom @ Mar 1 2009, 06:14 AM) *
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And then, once the Fuhrer is dead, every thing turns perfect and democracy is restored and every one is happy with it, even the corrupted boot-licking higher-ups!


I don't know, the government in the anime seems a lot less corrupted than in the manga. They don't all obey to Dante like the officers in the manga obey to Father.


It's true the manga showed the brass to be more corrupt. I don't think the army knew about Dante in the anime.
What I meant is that in order to keep his power as dictator, the Fuhrer must have had some people on his sides. Some high-ranked military men who carried out his orders in Ishbal and Liore; like the generals who didn't blink an eye when Mustang told them about Juliet Douglas. I don't know if such people would be happy to have a democracy-based govermnent. In fact, before the movie came out, I used to think the higher-ups were to ones who demoted Roy, in retribution for murdering the Fuhrer!

QUOTE (Claudius @ Mar 1 2009, 08:52 AM) *
Killing Bradley was good in that it permanently snapped Dante's control of the country. However, it ruined Roy's dream of becoming a Fuhrer. He no longer has the moral strength to be a better Fuhrer. He killed for vengeance, hurting Hughes' memory (If Scar must suffer for what he's done, then so must Roy). His plan also led to the death of child. To Roy, the greater good can't clean up the acts of his own stupidity.
Then again, at least AnimeRoy had the common sense to keep his suspicions to his inner circle, not blabbing it to some corrupt higher-up...

As for the 'happy ending', either Roy is putting on a facade (he's good at it) for Riza, or he is actually making an attempt to get over his demons, but eventually failed at it (he's not the only one in anime/manga to go through such a failure).

For further details, read my Roy's Defeat essay.


So you were the one who wrote that essay! It made me reconsider movie!Roy and now his actions seems a little be less senseless to me.

And about the part where Roy tells the brass in the manga his suspicions about Bradley... so totally true!
Munou_No_MustangTaisa
QUOTE (Claudius @ Mar 1 2009, 07:52 AM) *
Killing Bradley was good in that it permanently snapped Dante's control of the country. However, it ruined Roy's dream of becoming a Fuhrer. He no longer has the moral strength to be a better Fuhrer. He killed for vengeance, hurting Hughes' memory (If Scar must suffer for what he's done, then so must Roy). His plan also led to the death of child. To Roy, the greater good can't clean up the acts of his own stupidity.
Then again, at least AnimeRoy had the common sense to keep his suspicions to his inner circle, not blabbing it to some corrupt higher-up...

As for the 'happy ending', either Roy is putting on a facade (he's good at it) for Riza, or he is actually making an attempt to get over his demons, but eventually failed at it (he's not the only one in anime/manga to go through such a failure).

For further details, read my Roy's Defeat essay.


Thank you Claudius!!
Good explaination~ :-D

Though on one side I still cant erase my hate towards Mizushima for eternity
On the other side I definite am willing to accept the all of these amazing fan explainations
I guess fan power owns all XDDD

I will definitely go ready ur essay thanks happy.gif


Munou
FMAobsessed
@Claudius, where can I read your essay? Because it sounds really interesting.
Claudius
QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Mar 1 2009, 06:43 PM) *
@Claudius, where can I read your essay? Because it sounds really interesting.
It's in the Character Discussion Board. Last reply was June 2008.
I would also recommend my Nazi H...:A Perspective essay in the Conqueror of Shamballa Movie Board.
FMAobsessed
@Claudius: I just read your essays. They were well thought out and well written. As much as I wanted a happy Royai ending, your argument makes sense too. But lets hope that for the manga ending has Roy fight his inner demons and win.

Also your Nazi Hughes essay brought about good points. Yes what the Nazis did was evil during WWII. But were all of them evil? No, they were following orders. Germany during and pre WWII was suffering both economically and mentally. The Nazis probably wanted to bring their country back to their former glory, and restore the morale of the people I seriously doubt that all of them were like "Yeah Holocaust, sounds awesome." But when you are in the military, you are expected to follow orders.

RoyxRizaFan
^ Plus, they were all brainwashed into thinking that Jews, homosexuals, special needs, and all the other minorities were what was holding them back from becoming a world power again. Some movies that were good at showing why people did that were "The Wave" and "Holocaust" (sorry if any of this was mentioned in the essay - I've read the Roy one, but not the Nazi one)

As for Roy's ending, I think that even if he does lose, he won't crawl off to the mountains and hide behind a snowbank or whatever movieRoy did. Just because of the way all the soldiers talk about things makes me believe that even if they fail, they won't give up. I mean, if Riza can look Ed in the eye and say that they're ready to accept the death penalty for what happened in Ishbal, then I doubt that they'd ever give up (even if it's just hope that they have). They seem to be too determined to do that. Arakawa's always kept her characters consistant.
FMAobsessed
I agree with RoyxRizafan that it is unlikely that Roy will run off after everything is said and done. I just have a feeling that Roy and Riza may not have a happy ending. Because of other post saying that both Roy and Riza would be willing to face death and persecution. What do you guys think? Do you think that Roy and Riza will have a happy ending, a bittersweet reason, or a sad ending and why? Also do you think that one or both of them may die?
jacksparrow589
I think it's quite possible that at least one will be imprisoned if not killed for what happened. They're not gonna run off and sail into the sunset, much as I'd like to see that happen. It's at least going to be bittersweet, if not outright depressing. Riza said that they're likely to get tried for war crimes, and whether or not they had good reasons, they can't change what they did. Adding insult to injury, I'm betting popular opinion among Amestrians says that a coup was not the brightest idea, either.

What I'd actually like to see if there is no killing but rather imprisonment is this: Released later in life when they are no longer considered threats and living out the rest of their lives in peace, possibly exiled out East or somewhere just as a precaution. That's about the best I'm hoping for (at least, realistically) at this point.

My hope is that if/when they are tried, someone will see the good in them and that will at least spare them. Call me crazy, but I'm sort of seeing a sort of Crime and Punishment ending here, with a little less craziness on the part of Roy.
Turdaewen
I believe they can have a happy ending, yes. Not as happy as people would have imagined, but, still, happy. There's a strong possibility of one of them getting killed, but, if they don't, I really don't think they would be imprisoned for several reasons. The strongest being: probably Amestris would disintegrate as a country. It is more corrupt in the Manga even BECAUSE it was created like that! Differently from the anime, where Dante only had her homunculus take over the power, Father BUILT the country himself.
So, killing the corrupts would bring the country to a colapse. Maybe, then, they can build a country anew, and maybe, just maybe with Roy being the one to gather the pieces later. Which isn't exactly happy, cause he would be ruling over a failed State.

QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Mar 2 2009, 12:30 PM) *
@Claudius: I just read your essays. They were well thought out and well written. As much as I wanted a happy Royai ending, your argument makes sense too. But lets hope that for the manga ending has Roy fight his inner demons and win.

Also your Nazi Hughes essay brought about good points. Yes what the Nazis did was evil during WWII. But were all of them evil? No, they were following orders. Germany during and pre WWII was suffering both economically and mentally. The Nazis probably wanted to bring their country back to their former glory, and restore the morale of the people I seriously doubt that all of them were like "Yeah Holocaust, sounds awesome." But when you are in the military, you are expected to follow orders.


It's very interesting about that Nazi thing. Many people mistaken the Nazis with the German people and not see them as a Government party, instead. Of course there was many people in the Nazi party that were as close to demons as we can imagine, specially the top Military, but that doesn't mean that most people in Germany or even within the Military itself were like that or even AGREED with the Nazi regime as a whole.

We know the atrocities from WWII now days, but we must remember that, back in the 40's, people didn't know what was actually happening. The dimensions of Holocaust, for example, was only brought to public in 1947, during the Nuremberg's Trials.

Which means that the German people didn't know, except for rumors, that their government was killing Jews. Not for a fact, at least. People who knew were usually killed or arrested. The extermination was considered a 'national security issue', which means that it was 'top secret' even inside the military. Only the people directly or closely involved in the matter knew how deep it was. And even those poor bastards sometimes didn't agree with it, but were 'following orders' and would be considered traitors and be killed if they didn't comply.
But there were, of course, those Nazi Idealists that knew and were proud to do it.

Even inside the Nazi party, there was a faction that was against Hitler and accused him of coup, as he took over the party after its arise to power in the 30's.

A pretty good example of that opposition is that many of the leaders and most prominent members of the German Resistance were German Officers: Colonels, Generals, Majors... Many of those who joined the Resistance once they started discovering the atrocities of the Army, like General Friedrich Olbricht (which, from what I was told, appears in that movie they made about Operation Valkyrie, not long ago)
FMAobsessed
Also wasn't Tom Cruises recent movie Valkyrie about the assassination attempt of Hitler.
jacksparrow589
Turdaewen--I hadn't thought about Amestris disintegrating until you mentioned it. There's hope for Royai fans yet! smile.gif
Turdaewen
QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Mar 3 2009, 07:26 PM) *
Also wasn't Tom Cruises recent movie Valkyrie about the assassination attempt of Hitler.

Yes!! That's the one! That's based in a true story about the 20 July Plot (you can take a look at it at Wikipedia)
I haven't seen, yet, but I've heard Tom Cruise plays Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg, whose story, btw, has some things in common with our dear Roy Mustang XD Who knows! Maybe the hole eye patch thing in CoS was inspired by Colonel Strauffenberg!!! lol (wild guess, here) He's also lost his left eye... XD

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Turdaewen--I hadn't thought about Amestris disintegrating until you mentioned it. There's hope for Royai fans yet!

yeah... I started to think of that possibility after we discovered Amestris was created and secretly ruled by Father since it was created. It makes sense that the country would not survive a coup, since the Homunculi thing is the very reason the country exists.
Forgiven
Best couple ever. lol. Anyways, I'm not sure what Manga chapter it is, I think it's chapter 54 or 56, but anyways it was when King Bradly took all of Mustangs peoples from him and he mentions Hawkeye as his "Queen". And me being such a big HawkeyexMustang fan, I was all over the place. And there are many other incidents in the Manga where it is obvious they really love each other. In the Anime it's not there really, but in the Manga it is.

Also, here's something that might be interesting:

Editor's Note: I'm told that in the manga it was specified that Riza loves Mustang. If you have any additional information about this, please contact me. I'm also told that in the August 2006 issue of Beckett Anime Insider there is a section called anime amour in which Riza and Mustang's relationship is discussed. They say "Their relationship might be subtle but it's there, they prove a relationship doesn't have to be lovey dovey to be strong." It also says "Roy and Riza share a level of intimacy that goes beyond words. They never say I love you but it is clear that they do love each other. Roy and Riza are not simply lovers but also friends and companions in the journey toward completing Roy's goals."

Does anybody have a copy of that Beckett Anime insider? http://www.absoluteanime.com/fullmetal_alchemist/riza.htm
RoyxRizaFan
^ Welcome, Forgiven!

I think that you mean Winry said she loved Ed. Riza has never said that she loves Roy, or anything really close to that, either, that could be translated incorrectly.

@ Turdaewen: I like that theory! There's a strong possibility that that could happen. Since Amestria has been around for so long, it'll probably just be turned into another, uncorrupted country.
jacksparrow589
Forgiven--Yep, I've got a copy of that magazine. Also I know that quite a few pages back, someone (Codename Elizabeth, I think?) posted scans of that article. My copy's actually falling apart, so I should probably scan it, too. RoyxRizaFan has it right--nowhere in the manga do either Riza or Roy explicitly say "I love him/her/you", but there's a TON of talk about trust, which is about as good as it gets for now.

Oh, and welcome! smile.gif
FMAobsessed
I know that we will probably not have a "I love you" confession in the manga, but wouldn't it be wonderful if Roy and Riza actually said that to each other?

They may not have said they loved each other. But I think having a trust that is deep as theirs is pretty amazing and special. I wish I could have a relationship like that.
Andie
Welcome Forgiven! Fancy seeing another Royai fan!

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Turdaewen--I hadn't thought about Amestris disintegrating until you mentioned it. There's hope for Royai fans yet!

yeah... I started to think of that possibility after we discovered Amestris was created and secretly ruled by Father since it was created. It makes sense that the country would not survive a coup, since the Homunculi thing is the very reason the country exists.


I think your theory really makes sense! The transition from dictature to demcracy would be easier if they start from scratch.

One thing I'm wondering... is it mentionned in the manga if Hawkeye will be judged for what she did in Ishbal? Technically, she was not an officer - she wasn't even a private ! - so she was just following orders...

Second thing I'm wondering. If Turdaewen's theory is correct and Roy and Riza survive, will they both stay in the military? If not, what kind of jobs they could have?
FailToImpress
QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Mar 5 2009, 03:45 AM) *
They may not have said they loved each other. But I think having a trust that is deep as theirs is pretty amazing and special. I wish I could have a relationship like that.


Don't we all. sad.gif

I'd really love for them to have a happy ending but honestly, I'm not going to expect too much.
FMAobsessed
I agree with FailToImpress, yes I want Roy and Riza to have a happy ending, but after getting my hopes up during the movie, I will try to restrain myself. But it doesn't seem to be working.
jacksparrow589
Maybe we'll at least get an ambiguous ending? Like, so that we can write fanfiction about it and MAKE it happy? Pretty please?

Andie--Riza did say that she would likely(?) be judged for what she did, event though she was under orders. (When she was telling Ed about Ishbal.) This was brought up a while ago, and a rather fascinating discussion ensued about having to follow orders. But if we wanna resurrect said discussion, I won't complain.
Tombow
The latest talk is that the new Japanese voice casts for Roy and Riza for the new FMA-2 are...

Roy Mustang: Miki Shinichirou and
Riza Hawkeye: Orikasa Fumiko

And, according to AA battery's research:
Miki Shinichirou is known for Takumi in Initial D.
Orikasa Fumiko is Rukia in Bleach.

It's being discussed on VA for new FMA-2 anime thread. biggrin.gif


BTW, nice discussions going on on Royai thread. I don't get to post much here these days, but I love reading all these discussions on Roy and Riza here. smile.gif
FailToImpress
I'm going to go and check out those voice actors, get a little taste for what's to come. smile.gif
So, so glad that Riza has a new Japanese voice actor, the voice from the first series didn't appeal to me much.

Edit: Okay, I've checked, and they're both pretty good!
I think I'll be happy.
RoyxRizaFan
Bak Chan from D. Gray Man and Toya from Tsubasa? Only roles I recognized well. So he can be serious and funny, thank goodness! AnimeRoy was so serious before and when he tried to be anything else, it kind of failed IMO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miki_Shinichirou

Riza was Yuzuki in Chobits and Shizuka in Vampire Knight. More serious roles, so this seems to fit her well, too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orikasa_Fumiko

So far it sounds pretty good!

EDIT: Just realized that for a dub, Riza's voice actress was GABRIELLA MONTEZ from HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL. Just throwing that out there.
FailToImpress
QUOTE (RoyxRizaFan @ Mar 7 2009, 02:53 AM) *
EDIT: Just realized that for a dub, Riza's voice actress was GABRIELLA MONTEZ from HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL. Just throwing that out there.


I saw that too laugh.gif
She seems like a fairly popular voice actor, though. Maybe that's why she did it.
Turdaewen
People, just one question. I was looking at Wikipedia's article on Roy and it says that in the Perfect Guide Book 2 its defined that Roy was born in September 25th, 1886... Is that true?

I can remember Arawaka saying she doesn't defines the birth dates of her characters and, more than that, I also remember the timeline for FMA FROM the Perfect Guidebook 2 that says he was actually born in 1885 and doesn't say the date... :s

I don't know what to believe anymore! lol
Tombow
@Turdaewen - Hmmm... I have to double check, but off hand, I don't remember us cerebrating Roy's birthday on this thread in all these years, and if we'd known his birthday, for sure we would have made a big deal out of it on this thread each year. Hence, I tend to think that's a misinformation. (I could be wrong, tho.) tongue.gif BTW, I don't automatically trust everything I read on Wiki, and this goes for info on FMA also. ^^
Turdaewen
Me neither, Tombow. That's why that info made me confuse!! O.o Even because they put the Perfect GuideBook 2 as source. I can't remember anything in that book regarding his birht date, just the year.
Hey
The timeline has nothing about his birthday other than year, but I'm too lazy to check every other page for it. But I think if it's from anywhere, it's not from this book.
(I have the Chinese book, but I'm willing to bet the original doesn't have it as well).

About the new VAs...(I was gone for a while and something this big is revealed? >O)
I love Orikasa Fumiko, I'm feeling rather happy now. :] Although before I thought that most if not all of the original cast would return after hearing Rie Kugimiya back, how wrong I was...
I kinda like Shinichirou Miki too. I guess that's a plus, hmm.
(Nothing made me happier than thinking of Takayama Minami as Envy xD)
Turdaewen
I'm kinda happy about the new VA's. I mean, if they really had to change them, at least they changed for very talented people. And people said something I've never thought about before: Okawa-san was very good at comedy, but lacked the seriousness for the 'darker' side of Roy, something I believe Shinichirou Miki is more than perfect to deliver.

About Orikasa Fumiko... well, she's great!! My only concern is that she may make Riza's voice a little TOO deep. Rukia's voice during battles is something so... manly it sometimes scares me!! XD And I've always picture Riza's voice as very serious and a little deeper than most Japanese women, but still 'feminine', if you what I mean. XD


An btw, (spoiler from chapter 93, if you haven't read it, yet, what are you waiting for?? XD) OMG!!! I've never imagined Roy hitting on Riza like THAT. He's one courageous man to play with her the way he did. XD I guess there was nothing THIS Royai, yet. Arakawa redeemed herself with me for this one. XD
Sannom
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About Orikasa Fumiko... well, she's great!! My only concern is that she may make Riza's voice a little TOO deep. Rukia's voice during battles is something so... manly it sometimes scares me!! XD And I've always picture Riza's voice as very serious and a little deeper than most Japanese women, but still 'feminine', if you what I mean. XD


Well, Shirley Fenette from Code Geass is a really feminine character, so in combination with her voice as Rukia, it should be OK right? All the better for me too : I can't stand Rukia, but I loved Shirley, and her character is more fresh in my mind than the gnome!
Turdaewen
I've never watched Code Geass, but if you're saying she can make sweeter voices, I believe in you XD That'll be great, then! XD

I can't get over the "Such pure tears...", yet. I lmao every time I remember it!! XD Roy's so conceited!!!
Tombow
About the new VA for Riza.. I have a good feeling about the casting.

Anyway, Roy totally powns in chapter 93!!! You got to read it!!! happy.gif
(If you don't want to download, you can read it on our board here. )
RoyxRizaFan
Wow, what a chapter. Finally, Roy's sharing part of the spotlight again! I've missed him so much. It feels like good old days with Ed, Roy, and Riza all standing around and teasing each other. It's so funny and put a smile on my face.

Even Roy's entrance was amazing. I honestly stopped, turned to my sister who was reading it with me, and was just like, "Look at this picture" Not only that, but even seeing him in the same panel as Riza gave me a fangasm. At first, I thought they'd only be in that page with Ross, but I freaked when they came back...

And ZOMG referencing two of my favorite scenes like that made me laugh, too! He mentioned her crying, and she mentioned how he sucks in the rain. It's so funny that he was going to start arguing that before he noticed Scar. I dunno, it was just a lot of fun to hear them going back and forth again.

And I see some of Arakawa's amazingly subtlely drawn blush there, Riza!

Ed and Roy arguing was hilarious, especially this

Now, Envy vs. Roy...we've been waiting FOREVER for this, and it's finally happening...I'm sure Arakawa can pull it off. It's probably a scene she's been looking forward to writing for a long time. The way Roy and Envy were going back and forth was just showing how awesome this is going to be...Roy is so pissed off, and Envy is being such a b!tch...yet, Envy says he can't kill Roy ("I can't let the Colonel bite the dust just yet!") so what's going to happen? I don't think Roy will let him run away, so how is he going to fight this?

This fight will probably be just as good as Lust vs. Roy, if not better, so I'm just like AHHHH! I can't wait!!!!!

Oh, and just seeing Roy's adorable face again has got me set for the week. Nothing can get me down now LMAO

Sorry for having a million links in my post, but in case no one could tell, I loved this chapter LOL I guess after waiting OVER A YEAR AND A HALF for some solid RoyAi and God knows how long for Roy and Ed to see each other again that I'm just reaaaaaaaally excited tongue.gif


FMAobsessed
I am Really Excited for the Roy vs. Envy fight. I have the feeling it will be epic!
Did Roy ever find out in the first anime series who killed Hughes? Because I don't think they ever mentioned it.
Roy looked so pissed off in that final panel. Ed did too. But I am hoping that it is Roy that takes down Envy because he deserves to.

Also the Royai moment made me happy. I wondered if the Lust event/fight was ever going to be brought up between Roy and Riza. I mean it was a pretty big moment for the two of them. And Arakawa brings it up in the most subtle, yet amazing away.

Bring on April! Chapter 94 and Premiere of new series. Does anyone think it will be fansubbed?
jacksparrow589
I've got no doubt that it will be fansubbed, even if/when it is licensed. The dubbing (if it happens, which I'm for at this point) would take a while, and this is a HUGE release, so I'd put money on a fansub within 36 hours of the first episode airing.

Anyway, the Royai moment made me laugh. I didn't get the "tears" reference at first, so I felt like a bit of an idiot when I found out. And then in the end of the chapter, I was just going, "Please, don't let Roy slip up, pleaseohpleaseohplease no..." Even though Envy says he can't kill Roy, Angry people tend to be more predictable about their movements. I don't think Riza's in any serious danger, but I'vebeen proven wrong before. She's more the person to have a "wrong place, wrong time" kind of thing, though. She's too cautious otherwise.

Well, seeing as I am starting to not make sense, I'm'a wrap up this post. But now I really wanna go write a fanfic about this chapter, probably the end. What a chapter!
angrydinosawr
Oh! I didn't get the tears reference at first, is he talking about how she cried when Lust told her Roy was dead? Or am I just a failure, haha.
Turdaewen
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Oh! I didn't get the tears reference at first, is he talking about how she cried when Lust told her Roy was dead? Or am I just a failure, haha.

Yes, he is! lol He's teasing her because she sorta panic when she thought he was dead...

Roy thinks he's sooo irresistible, doesn't he?? O.o But he's lucky he's got such good odds with Riza, or else, he would really get shot for teasing her like that. XD
angrydinosawr
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QUOTE (angrydinosawr @ Mar 12 2009, 12:17 AM) *
Oh! I didn't get the tears reference at first, is he talking about how she cried when Lust told her Roy was dead? Or am I just a failure, haha.

Yes, he is! lol He's teasing her because she sorta panic when she thought he was dead...

Roy thinks he's sooo irresistible, doesn't he?? O.o But he's lucky he's got such good odds with Riza, or else, he would really get shot for teasing her like that. XD

Haha, indeed. They are swimming in the river of De Nile. At least it gives fans plenty of room to speculate.
Turdaewen
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QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Mar 12 2009, 08:13 AM) *
QUOTE (angrydinosawr @ Mar 12 2009, 12:17 AM) *
Oh! I didn't get the tears reference at first, is he talking about how she cried when Lust told her Roy was dead? Or am I just a failure, haha.

Yes, he is! lol He's teasing her because she sorta panic when she thought he was dead...

Roy thinks he's sooo irresistible, doesn't he?? O.o But he's lucky he's got such good odds with Riza, or else, he would really get shot for teasing her like that. XD

Haha, indeed. They are swimming in the river of De Nile. At least it gives fans plenty of room to speculate.

For me, it can't even be called speculation anymore. They're being more obvious than Ed and Winry!
RoyxRizaFan
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For me, it can't even be called speculation anymore. They're being more obvious than Ed and Winry!


'Tis not possible tongue.gif

I don't think they're THAT cannon (though I totally wish) but I think it's definitely a relationship that, at this point, it hard to say, "it's just loyalty/friendly devotion that's grown over the years" You can still say it's loyalty to one another, but I feel like that gets harder and harder to defend. At this point, though, the EdWin "Childhood friends" denial thing is completely invalid. EdWin is 110% cannon (and I'm not complaining one bit!)

I prefer RoyAi more subtle, but now as the manga's coming to a close, I think we need at least one more scene like the one in volume 10 (Lust vs Roy) that screams RoyAi. You know, for the yummy drama stuffz.
Turdaewen
Ok... I did overreacted a little! lol

I know they're subtle, but I also think noone can deny that they do love eachother. And, then again, I never thought Roy would ever be this... 'flirty' with Riza as in this latest chapter. I always thought he reserved that side to other woman, but not Riza.
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