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Imagining_Dark_Roses
but manga wise, Riza the Ishbalan wouldn't work, as her eyes are golden. MAYBE SHE IS HOHOPAPA'S LONG LOST SECRET DAUGHTER -is shot-
i repeat, in the manga, they are GOLD. not red, and everyone seems to think. i think hughes was part.... whats it called... those dudes who fought Briggs and lost. they seemed to have Hughes's hair. except not cut.
so, wait, technically Ed and Al are half Xerxian, right? wait, did i even get the country right? .... why does it suddenly strike me as cool that Ed and AL as the last survivors (hohopapa doesnt count) of a dead culture? oooh ooh, lets play "figure out every character's ethnicity".
who remembers that map of how Amestris (the world) was before Amestris (the country) existed? *scratches brain* lots of lil countries, i know that. Amestris kind of pulled a backwards Soviet Union, didn't it.
Turdaewen
QUOTE(Imagining_Dark_Roses @ Sep 16 2008, 03:03 AM) *
but manga wise, Riza the Ishbalan wouldn't work, as her eyes are golden. MAYBE SHE IS HOHOPAPA'S LONG LOST SECRET DAUGHTER -is shot-
i repeat, in the manga, they are GOLD. not red, and everyone seems to think. i think hughes was part.... whats it called... those dudes who fought Briggs and lost. they seemed to have Hughes's hair. except not cut.
so, wait, technically Ed and Al are half Xerxian, right? wait, did i even get the country right? .... why does it suddenly strike me as cool that Ed and AL as the last survivors (hohopapa doesnt count) of a dead culture? oooh ooh, lets play "figure out every character's ethnicity".
who remembers that map of how Amestris (the world) was before Amestris (the country) existed? *scratches brain* lots of lil countries, i know that. Amestris kind of pulled a backwards Soviet Union, didn't it.

Yeah... I was checking the colored manga originals that I have of Riza and, in all of them, her eyes are amber. Although the shadows and light may give an impression of red from afar, they aren't red once you take a real look at it. Not like Scar's or Miles', at least.
And Amestris used to be several 'countries'. Maybe they were more like 'nations' than independent States... I always thought of it more like the German Confederation than the Soviet Union. Even more so because I've always picture Amestris as a "fantasy version of Germany". (Yes, I do have a very vivid imagination, you should see me preparing a RPG Adventure!! lol)
And you're totally right about Ed and Al. They are the 'remains of a dead culture', which makes it all the cooler. lol
CodenameElizabeth
QUOTE(Turdaewen @ Sep 16 2008, 12:22 PM) *
Yeah... I was checking the colored manga originals that I have of Riza and, in all of them, her eyes are amber. Although the shadows and light may give an impression of red from afar, they aren't red once you take a real look at it. Not like Scar's or Miles', at least.


Yeah, I always thought they were a golden amber color too. I always followed the manga more closely anyway, so I used those references for cosplay purposes and wentr with amber. AM I DOIN IT WRONG? huh.gif <-- looking back on it 2 years later, I actually really don't like a lot of those pictures anymore. I need me more photoshoots.

ATTN: CAMWHORE ALERT.
Causmicfire
QUOTE(Turdaewen @ Sep 16 2008, 09:22 AM) *
QUOTE(Imagining_Dark_Roses @ Sep 16 2008, 03:03 AM) *
but manga wise, Riza the Ishbalan wouldn't work, as her eyes are golden. MAYBE SHE IS HOHOPAPA'S LONG LOST SECRET DAUGHTER -is shot-
i repeat, in the manga, they are GOLD. not red, and everyone seems to think. i think hughes was part.... whats it called... those dudes who fought Briggs and lost. they seemed to have Hughes's hair. except not cut.
so, wait, technically Ed and Al are half Xerxian, right? wait, did i even get the country right? .... why does it suddenly strike me as cool that Ed and AL as the last survivors (hohopapa doesnt count) of a dead culture? oooh ooh, lets play "figure out every character's ethnicity".
who remembers that map of how Amestris (the world) was before Amestris (the country) existed? *scratches brain* lots of lil countries, i know that. Amestris kind of pulled a backwards Soviet Union, didn't it.

Yeah... I was checking the colored manga originals that I have of Riza and, in all of them, her eyes are amber. Although the shadows and light may give an impression of red from afar, they aren't red once you take a real look at it. Not like Scar's or Miles', at least.
And Amestris used to be several 'countries'. Maybe they were more like 'nations' than independent States... I always thought of it more like the German Confederation than the Soviet Union. Even more so because I've always picture Amestris as a "fantasy version of Germany". (Yes, I do have a very vivid imagination, you should see me preparing a RPG Adventure!! lol)
And you're totally right about Ed and Al. They are the 'remains of a dead culture', which makes it all the cooler. lol


Agreed, her eyes are definitely amber in all the colored manga art.

I remember something about a map of the region before Armestris formed, but I'm nt sure exactly where it is.

I've always thought Armestris a fantasy version of old Germany, too, what with the Ishvalan genocide and leader being called the Fuhrer.

About the chapter title: Their promise to follow his orders, even not to die, is probably important. I'll be so sad to see any of them go.

I've been wondering about the three of them (Fuery, Breda, and Hawkeye) deserting. How long do you think they've been away from their posts for? Bradley said he foresaw that Mustang would rise up against them in some way during his absence, so why didn't he take Hawkeye with them? Did she desert before he left to Eastern, and did they let her thinking it would be funny to let them play "resistance" for a bit before squashing them out?

So many questions about how she got away from them, I'm sure it wasn't as easy as calling out sick for a day.
Turdaewen
I think it shows a map of Amestris before with Hughes or when they were reading the diary of Scar's brother. Either way, I think I'm just studying World History harder than I should... It's starting to mess with my head. lol

Yeah... the Homunculi are being too damn absent for my taste. I believe they're up to something and just letting Mustang and crew think they're being left alone.
Of course, I think Mustang knows they're doing that and has a hidden plan himself.

This just looks more like chess by the minute: waiting for the enemy to bite the bait. I just hope Mustang has a smarter plan then they do.
RoyxRizaFan
Oh, I miss Falman and Havoc, though. It's strange seeing the group without them. At least Hayate's around, though XD

Hmm, that is possible that the homonculi are waiting for them to "come out of hiding" by makig them feel like they're not being watched.... Because it's strange that Bradley and Selim just stopped watching Riza all of a sudden, unless the fact that they were wasn't supposed to be important to the story after all *shrugs*

Causmicfire
QUOTE(RoyxRizaFan @ Sep 16 2008, 10:46 AM) *
Oh, I miss Falman and Havoc, though. It's strange seeing the group without them. At least Hayate's around, though XD

Hmm, that is possible that the homonculi are waiting for them to "come out of hiding" by makig them feel like they're not being watched.... Because it's strange that Bradley and Selim just stopped watching Riza all of a sudden, unless the fact that they were wasn't supposed to be important to the story after all *shrugs*


Yeah, Falman and Havoc need to get in on the story.

I doubt it was unimportant to the story, Arakawa is usually very careful about detail, which is why I keep thinking about it.

Maybe they were just going to use Gluttony to track them down.
jacksparrow589
YES! The manga needs more of Havoc and Falman! And more Havoc! (He's like Fuery in the adorable-ness factor, I think.)

Ack, that Pride/Gluttony combo is creepy! And, I might add, more deadly than ever.

Anybody notice that it's easier to get a handle on people once they're in a group? Like, maybe they split them up to demoralize them all and make the planning harder so that when they did get back together, it would take a little longer to plan, and they'd have them all together, so it'd be much easier to get rid of them all at once. Of course, this won't work if 1) there was already a plan beforehand and/or 2) they split up anyway, so that it's harder to get rid of them all. (With the whole "Separation" thing, I can sense a new bout of Royai angst and its subsequent fanfics coming on.) Maybe the homunculi have just underestimated the ingenuity of humans. Wouldn't be the first time, would it? I think each side is playing the other's game and calling the other's bluff, so this is gonna turn out pretty interestingly when all's said and done.

Liz- Regardless of eye color, I love the pwetty pictures! I've seen only 1 other good cosplay of Riza in real life, and not many on the internet.
Imagining_Dark_Roses
all i can say is they're all going to die. thats my final opinion, because if i hope for nothing, then i'm never disappointed. yes, i know im depressing. sorry.
it occured to me (and i felt idiotic for not realizing this before) that Ling and Ran-Fan are in the EXACT same position as Roy and Riza. protector/protected who occasionally switch roles. Protected trying to gain power. Protector trying to save him from ebil subplot. well, they're in the same situation if you factor Greed out. so lets just do that. manipulating reality is useful.
Saving_Grace
Woot! Best chapter in a while (I'm a little behind, I just remembered half an hour ago that FMA had been updated)!

For some reason I though Madame Christmas was Grunnman in disguise... Where did I get that from? Anyhoo!

My theory is that Olivia is on Roy's side and the thing with Mrs. Bradley is a set-up.
Turdaewen
QUOTE(Saving_Grace @ Sep 17 2008, 08:01 AM) *
My theory is that Olivia is on Roy's side and the thing with Mrs. Bradley is a set-up.

Me too. I think Roy's quota on stupidity went up with the hole "telling the big guys" thing. If THAT didn't worked as a wake up call to him, he's hopeless. lol
Causmicfire
Why not tell them, they'd find out anyways, and they'll probably need her to help prove to the country that Bradley and Selim were homunculi. They'll get her out of harms way, plus Roy is probably banking on the fact that Father will think it's a wasted effort on his part. That way it'll be a surprise to him if Bradley does care.

Some Roy icons from 87:





Turdaewen
That's what I think, too. ^^

And Causmicfire, your fanfics are GREAT! XD I've spend a lot of my study time this week reading them. lol

And the icons are awsome, too! XD Don't you wanna teach me how to color mangas? My colouring still looks like '2D' sad.gif
Saving_Grace
Is it just me, or has this thread been a little slow these last few days?

So what do you guys reckon the deal is with Madam Christmas? If she's Roy's foster mother, than who is his birth mother?
It really annoys me actually, I had this whole fic planned out about Roy's mum (Mama 'Stang as I call her), now that's just gone poof!

Roy's backstory is still pretty exciting.
FailToImpress
^This new thing about Mustang's foster Mother is pretty intriguing.
I have wondered if it'll have some sort of relevance in the near future, because really, that piece of info can't just be there for no reason...
Causmicfire
@Turdaewen- Thank you! I actually got a lot better at my coloring recently, and what I did was study other icons, everything except the background is all done on one layer. I think the most important thing is actually deciding where the "light" is on the picture, and staying focused on that when adding in the shading. If you have any questions feel free to ask! (Sorry it took me a while to get back, I've been doing volunteer work for next years AX, and my regular job)

@Saving Grace- Mama 'Stang is how I refer to her, too!

I'm thinking his birth parents are long since dead. Maybe died during some the of the bloody battles that have happened in Armestris. Civilians whom weren't protected by soldiers? Soldiers whom weren't protected by their superiors? Now, there's a lot to think about. When he "killed" Maria Ross, he called himself a hic, so does that mean he never lived in the city before, so her bar wasn't always there, was it? Maybe she moved to Central after he left to train with Hawkeye-sensei. Or, did he grow up in Central for a while, and then went to live with the Hawkeyes in the country when he trained?
jacksparrow589
My idea is somewhat similar to Causmicfire's. His parents are likely dead, and it's probably a safe bet that Roy grew up in a conflict zone. I had an idea for a fanfic (goodness knows if I'll ever get around to writing it) that he was born in an Xing conflict zone, his parents were killed when he was fairly young, and Madame Christmas was... I dunno... on a recon mission in her younger, more active days, and took the boy home and raised him, sensing what he was to become.

...Yeah. Needs work, I know. It'd be kind of a "I can only sort of remember it" thing, so fact and fiction would be able to blur under my claim artistic license.

It'd be really funny if my guess was spot-on, though. I wouldn't believe it.
Saving_Grace
QUOTE(Causmicfire @ Sep 22 2008, 01:06 PM) *
[@Saving Grace- Mama 'Stang is how I refer to her, too!


Damn, I thought I was original... biggrin.gif

I think his parents or his heritage might end up playing a part, because why else would Arakawa specify that she's his foster mother... (Granted, it would be a little late in the game for her to be setting up something like this)

Turdaewen
QUOTE(Saving_Grace @ Sep 23 2008, 07:47 AM) *
QUOTE(Causmicfire @ Sep 22 2008, 01:06 PM) *
[@Saving Grace- Mama 'Stang is how I refer to her, too!


Damn, I thought I was original... biggrin.gif

I think his parents or his heritage might end up playing a part, because why else would Arakawa specify that she's his foster mother... (Granted, it would be a little late in the game for her to be setting up something like this)

Maybe she didn't want people to talk "They're are nothing alike!!! Roy's so much cuter!" lmao

Yeah... I'm still don't know what to think about Roy's family. But I think being an orphan and have his parents dead in the war is pretty much the best shot.
Maybe that hole family thing has something to do with him being a human sacrifice candidate. Though we still have no idea even IF he will be used as a sacrifice, Wrath's plan to make him open the gate might have something to do with that.
RoyxRizaFan
^ I still don't really get what the difference between opening the door and being a sacrifice is...For some reason it always takes me a while to understand all the door/truth stuff (I guess I'm slow or something LOL)

Anyway, I finished my RoyAi post-anime fanfiction, where Roy gets what he deserves for being a retard in the movie (yeah, that's my summary for you). I don't know why I'm bothering to put it up here, but since this place has been dead the past few days, I figured I'd give it a shot anyway.

There are eight chapters in all, but they're really short so don't freak out (if you're actually going to read it)

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4499226/1/After_Shambala

Other than that, not much to say...
Causmicfire
Yay, the site is back. I was starting to think there was a compatibility issue with the latest updates I've received from Vista, Firefox, and Internet Explorer. I'm glad it wasn't, because I would have been very sad if I couldn't get to this forum!

...anyways something on topic-Roy,Riza, and Hayate icons:



XD


Our newest 2nd Lt.!




lyrics from Dido's White Flag






lyrics form The Beatles, Happiness is a Warm Gun





New chapter should be here is 2 weeks or less! XD
FailToImpress
^Hehe, I love the one with Mustang and Hayate! tongue.gif happy.gif
Turdaewen
Yay!! and we are back!! XD
Doesn't Roy look really nice in those suits??
RoyxRizaFan
Hello, all! I thought my computer was messed up. I was happy to come here and realize that it was the site, not me LOL I didn't want to have a ton of stuff to catch up on XD

QUOTE
Doesn't Roy look really nice in those suits??


Behold the beauty of fan service biggrin.gif
jacksparrow589
*raises glass* Indeed, our Roy does look dashing in suits. I far prefer them to the uniform!

On my end, I've been working on some fanfics lately, but senior year is crasy-busy, so I haven't had time to type them up and post them, much less look at other fanfic, but to my dismay.

On that note, I still have Calculus and Physics to do. Will it never end? (Yet when it does, I know I'll wish it hadn't. *sighs* Now I'm waxing philosophical.)
Causmicfire
Roy in a suit=FTW!





and have a banner, that is kind of RoyAi-ish, more Mustang gang related.

Click to view attachment
600x300 in full.

@FailToImpress- Thanks!

@RoyxRizaFan- I'm glad I wasn't the only one to think it was their computer. As for being a sacrifice/opening the doors of truth thing: It seems to open the doors you don't need to sacrifice all of yourself, just part of it, but as for being a sacrifice, I'm sure Father either wants so much from truth that the toll is higher, or he has to use certain humans for whatever it is he is trying to accomplish in opening the gates. Maybe someone of a certain bloodline. Ed and Al= last people of Xerxes, Izumi= we know nothing about her past, other than the fact that she tried to bring her dead child back to life, and trained in the mountains of Briggs, Hohenheim=last people of Xerxes, Mustang=exotic looking, adopted, possibly from a strange bloodline(not sure if he's one Father's selected). Note: The king of Xerxes had to spill his blood to perform "the ritual", but why? The only other thing they have in common is being able to use Alchemy, but he hasn't needed someone to perform alchemy for him before.

@J.S.- Good luck with senior year! I know my was full up until the second semester. Do you have to complete a senior project?
StormGoddess
@Causmicfire Your icons are truly cool! I really love it. happy.gif

Well, I'm glad the site is now back. wink.gif
jacksparrow589
Causmicfire- Nah, not a senior project-- just a few class projects here and there and the AP tests which will, as with the AP Chem test last year, demand my soul. And there's more than one that I'm taking this year! Calculus and Language Arts.

On the Royai side of things, I posted a new one-shot, the title of which I will change shortly, as I cound I song that fits it... sort of. It's called A Deceitful Bargain (As I said, for now-- I'll post the link after I switch the title to Viva La Vida.)

It's basically a younger Riza and Roy, arguing over whether or not it is worth Roy chancing everything to learn flame alchemy.

Now... off to change the title!

EDIT: Back with the link! Yay! Viva La Vida Enjoy! (i.e. Read and review, please!)
Artixte
Storm goddess- Yeah, I was wondering about that...And I thought it was just my junk of a computer(Every time I want the speakers to actually play, I have to put very heavy pressure onto the right side of the computer. So I get so pissed when im on youtube...Sometimes I pile boxes of soda cans on top of it to make it work so my elbow or thigh/leg doesn't burn smile.gif )

Anyways, I like that salute siggie there Causmicfire smile.gif I really wish Roy and Riza would just make ~iza and ~oy babies already tongue.gif Just pop those suckers in and produce! Who needs condoms when you're a soldier? And they have to face the fact, they are getting old, rain some babies and let their beauties dazzle the fma fans already, sheesh! ...Hmm, maybe they should wait until everything in the stories okay though.. I mean, they are in a war...
Turdaewen
Do you guys think Roy knows Grumman is Riza's grandfather?
I've never wondered about that before. But maybe he doesn't. lol That would give a good Fanfic!
Yeah... I've been delirious in the last few days... lol
RoyxRizaFan
QUOTE(XxWanderfullPursonxX)
I really wish Roy and Riza would just make ~iza and ~oy babies already tongue.gif Just pop those suckers in and produce! Who needs condoms when you're a soldier? And they have to face the fact, they are getting old, rain some babies and let their beauties dazzle the fma fans already, sheesh! ...Hmm, maybe they should wait until everything in the stories okay though.. I mean, they are in a war...


AMEN! That's one thing I think we can all agree on XDDD

I've been wondering about Roy knowing about Grumman, too. And Riza. Does anyone know other than the readers? Seriously LOL

I just read/reviewed your FF, jacksparrow. It was very well written and creative! Great job, as usual!
AndroidLust
QUOTE(XxWanderfullPursonxX @ Oct 2 2008, 05:55 PM) *
I really wish Roy and Riza would just make ~iza and ~oy babies already tongue.gif Just pop those suckers in and produce! Who needs condoms when you're a soldier? And they have to face the fact, they are getting old, rain some babies and let their beauties dazzle the fma fans already, sheesh! ...Hmm, maybe they should wait until everything in the stories okay though.. I mean, they are in a war...

i dont know if i like the idea of them having kids.
for some reason, its unsettling...



ugh, new chapter please!
Artixte
Maybe its because we're/you're too used to seeing them act as comrades in arms than as a couple...? It's a bit blurry in seeing them make a family to me right now, but when problems clear up in the manga, then I'm gonna hope for something worthwhile between Riza and Roy smile.gif
jacksparrow589
For what it's worth, Ed and Al (and Winry and Elysia, to an extent) are kinda like surrogate children, so I can very much see them having kids. Look at my fanfics if you don't believe me. (Oh the shameless self-promotion!)

Again with the new stories! I was listening to Paramore's "That's What You Get", and this baby was born. Same title as the song. I'll post the link later, I promise, but I can't find it right now, and I need to have dinner and work on Physics, anyway.

EDIT: AHA! The link, ladies and gentlemen: That's What You Get
CodenameElizabeth
I can totally see where you are coming from with the Roy/Riza/kids thing. They definitely have an air of "solid adult responsibility" about them. But they ARE in their late 20's-early 30's, and TRUST ME YOU DO GET LIKE THAT as you age. It's normal.

Sh!t. I'm 30 (one month ago today...) and *I* find myself getting 'motherly' and 'protective' at times toward those younger than me. However, I have NO DESIRE to have children, nor do I think that I would necessarily be a good parent. I just have a "Guardian" type personality that has gotten stronger as I aged. It's a change in frame of reference. You start to see things from a different perspective. And I also tend to think that working anime cons for so long has influenced me here. I see SO MANY YOUNG KIDS acting careless without a parent or guardian, and I feel responsibly for their safety to a certain extent.

So while Roy and Riza are responsible guardians, the thought of them having children of their own is, well, just a bit OOC and unsettling to me.

You guys come and find me when you are 30. You'll get it then. I'm sure.
Turdaewen
I'm not 30, but I get you. I mean, I really want to become a mother in time, but that doesn't mean everyone who's in that age or even is in love with someone needs or even wants that.
The way I see it, it's not that Riza and Roy could not have kids, but it would be completely OOC if they did it in the current situation.
In my case: I do want to have kids, but I REALLY don't want any for, at least, 6 years. That depends on so many things... it's not only a matter of being an adult and having someone you love, just as much as deciding on a career shouldn't be only about the money you'll gain.

They're too aware of what they compromised themselves with to be relapse about it.
More than that, the Ishbal experience kinda molded their 'adult view' of life and that's something that they can't easily get over with. I personally think it's something more complicated than just blaming yourself with something. It's also a kind of dedication required by them to reach what they're after that claims an almost complete sacrifice of their personal life.
RoyxRizaFan
Despite what I've said in the past, I do agree that it would be very OOC for them to have kids right now. I mean, they're so traumatized by everything that's happened that it's going to take them quite a while to get over that and go back to regular life. Maybe even it could be something like them being to nervous to have children since I'm assuming they both had trouble with their parents (i don't mean Madame Christmas, obviously).

Whatever, I don't know, i dont intend on having kids ever myself. I dont' care if Riza and Roy ever have kids...it's the TRYING and the way they GIVE IT A SHOT that matters to me. As long as they TRY I'm happy, if you know what I mean...the end doesn't matter, it's the means I care about *gets shot and burnt at the same instant*
Causmicfire
Maybe Roy would like to adopt sometime in the future, when things have settled, and their country is on the right path.
jacksparrow589
Yeah, future tense on this one: I think they should at some point in the future. Doesn't mean they will, and I won't die if they don't, but I'd like them to.

I dunno. I'm only 18, but I work at an after-school program, and everyone who works there is really protective of the kids, even though only two actually have them. At this point, I'm going to say that at some point in the future (but definitely not right now), I'd like to have kids. But that might change. *shrugs* I'll take life as it comes.
Tombow
I like the idea of Roy and Riza adopting kinds.
Roy himself has been adopted, so I'm sure the idea is not foreign.
As far as acting guardian like, I agree with others that it's probably part age and part personality.
Claudius
QUOTE(Turdaewen @ Oct 7 2008, 08:10 AM) *
They're too aware of what they compromised themselves with to be relapse about it.
More than that, the Ishbal experience kinda molded their 'adult view' of life and that's something that they can't easily get over with. I personally think it's something more complicated than just blaming yourself with something. It's also a kind of dedication required by them to reach what they're after that claims an almost complete sacrifice of their personal life.

The same can be argued for Hughes, and yet he still fathered a child (unless Elysia was an 'accident').
It would be nice to have Roy be a father-figure to Elysia (I made a fanfic about it). The child needs a daddy (be it by marriage or surrogate), and who better than her daddy's best friend? And Roy would want to take interest in the child, either as atonement for failing her father or having some reminder of him. Hughes' death left a big hole in his friend and daughter; Why can't they fill it together?
PrincessElir
I don't know if Roy and Riza are together, but i figure they may have hooked up a few times.
Turdaewen
Yeah... Adopting would be nice... ^^ Either way, it's pretty clear nothing is going to happen before he 'reaches the top', that's for sure.

I don't think they had hook up before, I believe they haven't. They're both too serious about themselves and their work for anything like that. Riza already showed she gave up a 'normal' life to Roy's dream and "She chose it herself", whatever consequences it might bring her.

As for Roy... I've always picture the story in the Blue Gaiden, when Hughes says he'll try his best to put Ishbal behind and make Gracia happy. From Roy's reaction at that point, he's a person who is not so sure he can do that himself. Maybe he was already in love with Riza back then, but the experience of war (especially in that case) is something so strong that changed the characters and personality of both Riza and Roy beyond repair.

Maybe he thinks he'll never be able to 'hold the woman he loves with bloody hands', especially when Riza is that woman, someone who he thinks he's in an eternal debt with and knows exactly what kind of 'monster' he is and what he's been through.


In a scenario where Ishbal never happened, they could be puppy love and, I think, they would probably be, similar to Ed and Winry.
And that's what I think was a little OCC at the anime: at the end, Roy seemed to just push Ishbal behind as if it never existed and seemed a lot more concerned about Ed than anything else... That's very unRoy like. The hole Ishbal thing is crucial to understand what Roy is and that's something he would never be able do disregard, as hard as he may try.

Maybe he can learn/is learning to live with, but not disregard.
jacksparrow589
Yeah, he did push it back, but it came back with full force and made him candidate for emo of the century.

I've never had what anyone would label a traumatic experience, so I can't say this with 100% accuracy, but doesn't it take a while for people to get over what happened and move on? And in Roy's case, he still works in the military, which is a daily reminder, so... I dunno. I like him better in the manga, though.
CodenameElizabeth
QUOTE(jacksparrow589 @ Oct 10 2008, 11:24 AM) *
doesn't it take a while for people to get over what happened and move on? And in Roy's case, he still works in the military, which is a daily reminder, so... I dunno. I like him better in the manga, though.


Post Traumatic Stress syndrome. Ask any U.S. Vietnam War veteran...

I also agree that the Ishbal flashback was incredibly crucial to understanding the personailities and motivations of the characters involved, and why it remains to this day my personal favorite part of the manga.

Never really thought about Roy being a 'surrogate' father figure for Elysia. It would be iteresting to see a well-written fanfic of Gracia re-marrying. (Also, Claudius, I would like to read your fic one fo these days...)
Turdaewen
QUOTE(CodenameElizabeth @ Oct 10 2008, 02:53 PM) *
QUOTE(jacksparrow589 @ Oct 10 2008, 11:24 AM) *
doesn't it take a while for people to get over what happened and move on? And in Roy's case, he still works in the military, which is a daily reminder, so... I dunno. I like him better in the manga, though.


Post Traumatic Stress syndrome. Ask any U.S. Vietnam War veteran...

I also agree that the Ishbal flashback was incredibly crucial to understanding the personailities and motivations of the characters involved, and why it remains to this day my personal favorite part of the manga.


I don't mean it like 'trauma', exactly. Trauma also a big problem, but I meant that these sort of extreme situations will put you a different perspective of life.

I believe I've said this before, but my grandfather is a WWII Veteran. He killed a good deal of people and watched some of his best friends die. He doesn't mention it all that much, but, when he does, he always say about how it changed his view about life, death, God, family... a good deal of his war friends didn't wanted to raise family after they came back. They said the war had such a strong impact on their lives, they could never live the way they used to. Actually, my grandpa almost did the same (Thank God he didn't, or I wouldn't be here! lol).

I guess it's more something to learn to live with, than something to get over with. And in Roy's case, I don't think is the case that he doesn't want to raise family or anything, but that the reality and the consequences of Ishbal are still too strong. Having Bradley as Fuhrer is like the imminence of ANOTHER Ishbal happening at any time. So, until there's not such threat, he will not rest his mind on anything else.
Claudius
QUOTE(Turdaewen @ Oct 10 2008, 06:15 AM) *
And that's what I think was a little OCC at the anime: at the end, Roy seemed to just push Ishbal behind as if it never existed and seemed a lot more concerned about Ed than anything else... That's very unRoy like. The hole Ishbal thing is crucial to understand what Roy is and that's something he would never be able do disregard, as hard as he may try.


I hope you're emphasizing the little in that OCC view, as what about his situation in the CoS movie? I would think that happy ending in episode 51 was either Roy putting on a facade to Riza or really attempting to put the past behind him, only to relapse big time.
Turdaewen
QUOTE(Claudius @ Oct 13 2008, 07:25 AM) *
QUOTE(Turdaewen @ Oct 10 2008, 06:15 AM) *
And that's what I think was a little OCC at the anime: at the end, Roy seemed to just push Ishbal behind as if it never existed and seemed a lot more concerned about Ed than anything else... That's very unRoy like. The hole Ishbal thing is crucial to understand what Roy is and that's something he would never be able do disregard, as hard as he may try.


I hope you're emphasizing the little in that OCC view, as what about his situation in the CoS movie? I would think that happy ending in episode 51 was either Roy putting on a facade to Riza or really attempting to put the past behind him, only to relapse big time.

In the sense of the CoS, yes! ^^ It was very small. It's still there, because I think Roy would not sulk as he did in the movie because of Ed, as hard as it may have been. It's just not like Roy to act like that. He's more likely to be devastated by other things.
But the 'happy ending' of episode 51 was COMPLETELY OOC.
Claudius
QUOTE(Turdaewen @ Oct 13 2008, 07:54 AM) *
In the sense of the CoS, yes! ^^ It was very small. It's still there, because I think Roy would not sulk as he did in the movie because of Ed, as hard as it may have been. It's just not like Roy to act like that. He's more likely to be devastated by other things.
But the 'happy ending' of episode 51 was COMPLETELY OOC.

As my 'Roy's Defeat' essay (it's on the character discussion forum) would have it, I doubt Ed was the sole reason for Roy's sulking. He is devastated about other things along with Ishbal (and the Rockbell murder): Roy is haunted by the deaths of Hughes and Selim (and maybe Edward), deaths for which he blames himself (he's something of a 'death magnet', isn't he?). He is haunted by the fact that he failed to live up to his Hughes promise to be the great man; killing Bradley for revenge went against everything he believed in, robbing him of the moral authority to be the Fuhrer (and probably convincing him that his alchemy was nothing more than a killing weapon). His line about seeing the people who died because of his mistakes means a lot more than just 'I miss the midget.' Compared to this, MangaRoy has it easy.
Still, it's nice to have someone else who doesn't think 'CoSRoy is OOC,' a claim seemingly taken by the majority here.
Turdaewen
But I still don't think Roy as a person who would just give up anything for any of those reasons. He's the kind of person one who makes himself responsible for whatever happens around him and uses it to make his determinations even stronger.

The manga Roy is a very angst person, who never let people see he's hurting, but at the same time, he's NOT the person to let that take him over. His guiltness makes him a committed person, not run away and hide. That's made VERY clear every since the first chapters, when he talks to the Elric brothers about Nina's death, when he screams at Riza for giving up life, when he talks to Hughes about Ishbal...

He's the kind of person that, after mourning Hughes death, would come to the conclusion "What kind of person would I be if I let this stop me?" or even "If I'm weak enough to let this change my mind, I was fooling myself into thinking I could go all the way to the top and change this country.".

In that sense, the manga Roy seems to like a kind of Don Quixote: he's driven by his dreams, even at the cost of his own life.

And that makes him essentially different than the anime Roy. So I guess that's what people think when they say the CoS is OOC.
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