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riza'slittlesister
Ages... I've been having that problem myself. I know Roy's age pretty definitively, 28 and 29 (around chapter 45ish). I've heard that Riza's 25, but I've also heard 27, which I kind of prefer. It's the age I use anyway, but I'm not at all certain that an actual age has been alluded to for her. It certainly hasn't happened in the manga, but maybe in an interview somewhere?
RoyxRizaFan
Actually, at the end of one of the volumes...11, I think it was...Roy mentioned that he had already turned 30.
riza'slittlesister
Oh, I thought that he was just freaking out was because he was getting close.... I'll have to check.

...

Eureka! I've been using some *really* outdated information. By now he's almost certainly 30. When Scar starts attacking people, he's 29. The Perfect Guidebook 2 timeline says he was born in 1885, and the main plot starts in 1914.

So that's Roy's age explained. But Riza's is still up in the air.
Saving_Grace
Wouldn't be funny if Roy and Olivia were bitter exes or something? Can't see it happening in a billion years, but it's an entertaining notion.
___

Okay! Does this sound right?

I've been doing lots of research for this fic (because I'm pedantic and the dates need to check out). What I gathered was that the Ishbal Rebellion started eleven years before the main story and lasted for around five years. Roy and Riza were called in to battle near the end, which I'm guessing was about six or seven years before the main storyline, and in the anime the Rockbells were killed when Ed & Winry were eight-ish. Not sure if that's accurate or the same as the manga, but this is mainly anime based.

I've worked it out twice. The first time, I gathered that Roy would have been around 19 when he was brought into the war (don't ask how I got that), then I found out Winry's age, and the fact that the Royness was only involved in the last half and it jumped up to 22. Just for kicks, we'll say that Riza was 19 during Ishbal, making her currently 27.
The funny thing is this fic has absolutely nothing to do with Ishbal.

Thanks guys!



jacksparrow589
Saving Grace- Sounds good for an estimate! I'm not gonna complain, at any rate. I get tired of people wanting to know details that haven't officially been put out yet. I recall something saying somewhere that Arakawa-sensei doesn't really mess around with birthdays and that sort of thing. If it's important for the storyline (or used in an omake), it's there, and if it's not in those two or a guidebook, it isn't. It looks like we're all making guesses based on appearances, comments, and a little bit of timeline-ing. I hope nobody who reads your story is incredibly picky about that. (I got chewed out once by someone who claimed to know Riza's exact age but would not tell me their source. Come on, it's not like I was making her 10 years younger than Roy! More like 3! Anyway...) Good luck with your fic-writing! Keep us posted!
Saving_Grace
QUOTE(jacksparrow589 @ Jul 20 2008, 03:01 AM) *
Saving Grace- Sounds good for an estimate! I'm not gonna complain, at any rate. I get tired of people wanting to know details that haven't officially been put out yet. I recall something saying somewhere that Arakawa-sensei doesn't really mess around with birthdays and that sort of thing. If it's important for the storyline (or used in an omake), it's there, and if it's not in those two or a guidebook, it isn't. It looks like we're all making guesses based on appearances, comments, and a little bit of timeline-ing. I hope nobody who reads your story is incredibly picky about that. (I got chewed out once by someone who claimed to know Riza's exact age but would not tell me their source. Come on, it's not like I was making her 10 years younger than Roy! More like 3! Anyway...) Good luck with your fic-writing! Keep us posted!


Yeah, I heard that about Arakawa too, and I'm usually not that fussed with this type of thing, I just needed a rough idea of Hawkeye's age so some other things check out. Now I have to try and fumble around the gaping Dante & Hoho plot holes...


Thanks very muchly!
Imagining_Dark_Roses
hiiiiii! I'm back! anyone remember me? tongue.gif
I don't know why we're freaking about Olivia/Roy when there was so much RoyAi! *squee*
...anyone else get the distinct feeling that Riza's going down soon? or that Arakawa wants us to think Riza's going down soon? *gloom gloom gloom*
...while I was away, i had a dream that Roy turned into a girl. it was seriously screwed up. but the sweet part was that Riza didn't care. like, she barely even blinked. then she pretty much shrugged and went "so? he's the same person". It was fluffy/cute/creepy.
...did i already post my MMV? i think i did.
jacksparrow589
Imagining Dark Roses- I have more of the feeling that we need to worry about Roy for some reason. Yes, Riza & co. are helping to start the rebellion and all, but I think that they're going to be up against something that can be relatively easily handled when compared to what Roy and Ed and the rest of the "sacrifices" are up against. I just can't see either of them dying too quickly, here, especially with Hoho being ready to help. I want battle action, though! (Oh, and, like, a LOTALOTALOT of Royai.)
CodenameElizabeth
QUOTE(Saving_Grace @ Jul 19 2008, 01:17 PM) *
I'm usually not that fussed with this type of thing, I just needed a rough idea of Hawkeye's age so some other things check out. Now I have to try and fumble around the gaping Dante & Hoho plot holes...


Nah, I personally think that it's cool when fanfic authors are bothered with getting the details. Makes the fic more believable IMO. Some of my favorite fic writers are very detail oriented (Anne Packrat writes some incredibly good RoiAi. Because she gets the details right.)
riza'slittlesister
I like sweating the details. I feel bad if I think I'm getting something wrong.

And now that all this talk is floating around about being nervous, I'm really anxious for the next chapter. Ack. However, I'm not that concerned about Hawkeye in the next chapter. It seems that we get a good lengthy scene with the character that is about to die before that happens. We haven't had that for Riza... yet. *knock on wood*
RoyxRizaFan
I recently had a RoyAi dream, too. Roy was sitting on a bench outside of a restaurant and Riza passed by. they just kind of sat there and talked for a while, then a girl came over, calling for Roy, who remembered he had a date and he couldn't be seen with Riza. Riza left and he went on his date. That's when I woke up, feeling sad that the dream had taken such a bad turn at the end...V_V Oh I miss RoyAi. It's been so long since we've had a fix that my addiction is almost wearing off (LOL I talk like its a drug XDD)
jacksparrow589
The only Royai dream I ever had was a sad one. They were in a burning building and the roof collapsed. Not before final "I love you"-s, but it was still REALLY horrible.

Happy Birthday, Amethyst Sunset! (Haven't seen you around in a while, but I thought I'd post this on the off-chance that you're lurking around here. If you are, come back!)
Turdaewen
I don't get that whole Olivia/Roy idea... I mean, he's not particularly flirty with her. Not more than he normally is with anyone else women. And, besides, it's pretty clear by now that he's no real womanizer but as a disguise...
And is Olivia really on their side? She seems more like she has her own side and, as long as their plans converge and help her, the better, but no strings attached.

About Roy, I don't think we have to worry about him at all, for the time being. After all, he's a 'possible sacrifice' to the homunculi and they're not gonna kill him unless there's no other way. Which brings me to my biggest fear: That they will use the bound between Roy and Riza to kill her, leading him to make a human transmutation to become an ACTUAL sacrifice... sad.gif *Knock on wood*

Ah!! and about Riza's age, it's just what you guys said (about 27)... From the Guide Book's Chronology, Roy's 29 by now (1914) and I also remember him saying something about being 29 in a omake. And Riza is definitely not far behind him, but still looks like she's a couple of years younger. Taking that Hughes was the same age as Roy and was a Major, Riza being a 1st Lt. means she's close to 3 years younger than them.
jacksparrow589
Turdaewen- I have the strangest feeling of deja-vu over talk of Riza actually being killed to push Roy to do human transmutation. This, I don't think, will happen. While not going against the natural law of things is a central theme of the series, it isn't something Roy seems inclined to do. That seems to be Ed's area of expertise. So, if I'm right (and I'm hoping I am), there will be no killing of Riza to prompt a human transmutation. She's much more valuable alive, and I don't see how she would fall into the hands of the homunculi at this time. They'd need to have her physically there for hard-core threats. *Knocks on wood, too, just to be safe*
Turdaewen
Yeah... I think that that's a long shot for me... lol
I don't actually believe it would turn out that way either, but I still fear it.
And also, though it might be very logical for it to happen, Arakawa's not known for being predictable. But I still thought it might happen considering that the most obvious way of making Roy see the Portal would be through human transmutation, but then again, if he didn't actually attempted that when Hughes died, I see no reason why he would with Riza being dead.

Considering all that, I believe they'll come up with another excuse to transform him into a sacrifice.

But that scenario DID cross my mind.
CodenameElizabeth
QUOTE(Turdaewen @ Jul 29 2008, 12:46 AM) *
And also, though it might be very logical for it to happen, Arakawa's not known for being predictable.


Yeah-- she's not. Which is why I am havng serous doubt that my theory of "OMG they are going to try and make Ed re-open the gate since Al's body has been taken over" is something that will happen. Far . Too. Predictable.

Olivia? Yes- I think she likely has her own agenda. She doesn't seem like the kind of character who would necessarily take sides. She would just do whatever is in her best interest. If it helps out another party, fine, but I'm sure OMG SAVEING TEH WORLD is not on her list of primary motivations in the least.
Turdaewen
QUOTE(CodenameElizabeth @ Jul 31 2008, 02:33 PM) *
Yeah-- she's not. Which is why I am havng serous doubt that my theory of "OMG they are going to try and make Ed re-open the gate since Al's body has been taken over" is something that will happen. Far . Too. Predictable.


That's just the thing, isn't it? I mean, do they really need Ed doing ANYTHING to bring Al's body back?? I don't think so. It would be a lot simpler to just make Al open the gate and back... (but, after reading Arakawa's comments on her FMA sketches and saying she sketches Al a lot so that she won't forget how his face looks like is pretty revealing to me that indeed, Al's body WILL return, somehow)


Changing the subject entirely, I've been reading the Gaidens these days and I just help but LMAO at the report Havoc was doing on Roy! ^^
I've never noticed before, but, at a certain point, Roy was going out to a date and Riza tried to make him miss it by overloading him with work. And when she fails (he finishes all of it in less than an hour) she goes to practice with a shotgun, totally crushing the target! lol
That reminds us never to mess with Riza. XD
jacksparrow589
Turdaewen- Whaaaa? When was that? I need to read that! We definitely don't want to mess with Riza! (Which why I try to give my Royai fanfics happy endings as often as possible.)
Turdaewen
QUOTE(jacksparrow589 @ Aug 4 2008, 02:50 PM) *
Turdaewen- Whaaaa? When was that? I need to read that! We definitely don't want to mess with Riza! (Which why I try to give my Royai fanfics happy endings as often as possible.)

It's on the 'Flame Alchemist' Gaiden. That diary that Havoc made of Roy's activities. It is a little... 'between lines', but if you pay attention, you'll get it.

On the third day, it's said Mustang has a date, so he's working fast pace so he can finish early. But as soon as he was leaving Riza comes up to him with an HUGE pile of documents "due to today". But he's so anxious that he finishes it in less than an hour, going to his date, after all.
Soldier Fuery than reports Riza has left for her practice after she received the documents from the Colonel and that he didn't hear the usual noise from her practice. Sgt. Falman that adds that 'Lt. Hawkeye is very brave' and that she wasn't using her normal gun for practice today, but used a shotgun instead and the target was set to pieces.

lol Trully priceless!!
Imagining_Dark_Roses
hiiiiiiii everyone! sorry its been so long since i posted! blame lack of internet, im currently lodging in a four room cabin in the sierras. whee. (i hate it)
i had a RoyAi dream! sort of. Riza was teaching a yeti how to send text messages to Roy. look, i don't get it either, but it made sense in the dream. vaguely.
ahaha yes Riza, that's my girl. bury him under paperwork and there's no time to flirt. You know, if they were birds, they'd have the freakiest courtship dance. lol, sorry, curious.
ive been thinking, and the more i think, the stupider Conqueror of Shamballarammalammakadingitydingdadongshoobopshoowaddawaddayippityboomdeboom was. i mean, "I see dead people"?! "in my blind eye?!1!!11!!1?!!!! *head/desk*
*dies*
vidramidra
QUOTE(Imagining_Dark_Roses @ Aug 5 2008, 10:49 AM) *
ive been thinking, and the more i think, the stupider Conqueror of Shamballarammalammakadingitydingdadongshoobopshoowaddawaddayippityboomdeboom was. i mean, "I see dead people"?! "in my blind eye?!1!!11!!1?!!!! *head/desk*
*dies*


I hate that at the end of the series, you see Riza and Roy together, but in the movie they are... strange. Roy's behaving like a 4 year old who's afraid of taking responsibility.
jacksparrow589
I would say I can understand where he's coming from, but I know someone would get the impression that I've gone around committing genocide. NOT. THE. CASE!

Basically, Roy's still scarred by the whole Ishbal/genocide thing, and, to add to it, he couldn't save Ed or Al from their fate, and Ed is nowhere to be found. For all Roy knows, he could be dead, all for a chase for some stupid little stone that everyone would've been better without. And how was it created? Ishbal! It all ties back into Roy's rather colored past, and he feels responsible for it, probably 'cause he has a pretty idealistic (sometimes bordering on obsessive) sense of justice.

I would try to dissect this further, but I have to go get something at the store for dinner, or I'm not eating tonight! Maybe I'll come back and edit this, if I have the time.
Turdaewen
I agree, but I still find it a little bit curious to portray Roy like that.
I would even say its a little OC, if you consider the manga (but since it's the anime, it makes more sense). I could never imagine manga's Roy behaving like that! I mean, it's just too 'immature' for Roy, who has already been through hell on earth.

And I do like COS... I mean, it's fun! But when I watch it, I just don't consider those characters the characters from FMA. To me, that Roy is not THE 'Roy Mustang', that Riza is not THE "Riza Hawkeye" (in fact, she was a little 'off' throughout the series, wasn't she?)... even Edward is not quite himself.
It's just two different pieces of work, the anime and the manga. And since COS is based on the anime, it is coherent only to it, and not to the manga. That includes the personality of the characters.

I must say, I prefer the manga ANY day. Specially Roy. To me, I would NEVER say the anime Roy would be older than 25. Not because of appearance, but maturity. He's just a big brat with, apparently, no commitment to whatever. And it gets me in the nerves to see him like that. Still, he's a good comic relief!
RoyxRizaFan
Whats that? its time to b*tch about anime Roy? *rolls up sleeves excitedly*

I really dont mind the anime. If you put it seperately from the manga, its not too bad. Same goes for the movie (except the Edwin-rather, lack of - still pisses me off and Noah is still a - OK, ending mini rant before it gets ugly) . One thing i have trouble getting past is just what you mentioned, Turdaewen. Roy's immaturity and lack of commitment to what he does and the people he's with. I just love mangaRoy so much that i had more trouble than i should have with animeRoy. I was OK with him by the end (obviously because of the little hints at RoyAi LOL) but the movie was just strange to me - about Roy, i mean. Don't get me wrong - i can understand completely why he was upset. I just think he could have handled it better than he had.
jacksparrow589
And yet anime!Roy is SOOO much fun to write when he's emo! *looks around nervously* What? Don't give me that look!

Okay, yes, it is exhausting and Roy is (to me) definitely less mature about things in the anime than in the manga. But, lest we forget, we can tack on the death of Winry's parents to his past traumas. I'm not saying that that should account for all the extra angst, but it doesn't do anything to aleviate the burden.

I think that he is sort of-- wait, scratch that-- he's definitely reining in his emotions in the manga. He has to. But I think that when all's said and done and he can look back on everything, there'll be a lot that comes out that couldn't (or wouldn't) have been able to come out previously. Not to the extent of the anime-- he's a little too level-headed for that in the manga-- but there'll certainly be a lot of sadness mixed in with the anger.

So, there you go: my second two-bits on the matter.
Turdaewen
Roy HAS a lot to be 'angst' for. I'm not questioning necessarily the seriousness of his situation either in the manga or the anime. They're both bad. What I think it's strange is the gravity of the situation and HOW he deals with it. I mean, his situation in the manga is a LOT worse and, still, he has a sense of 'dignity' or honor or... whatever he might call it, that doesn't allow him to just go 'the hell with everything' (man, I have NO idea how to put this in english! In portuguese we say 'kick the bucket', but I can't point any expression in english that quite gets the whole meaning of that expression)

Either way... the problem with the anime is just that, the manga is SO much better, that anything would look crappy beside it. Even though the anime is one of the best I've ever seen (and that means quite a lot)

What I like about Roy in the manga is JUST that: he understands he HAS to rein in his emotions and that what he compromised himself with is something more important than, for example, having a real relationship with Riza. I mean, you can see his just devastated for not being able to talk to her. But he has to, and he complies with that. And you don't see him whining about it. He just takes it as consequences for his hasty actions and that he must cope with, now.
Causmicfire
@J.S.- *high five* Emo Roy is great to use for angst fic!

Now, I think you have to take into consideration the fact that everything is over in the anime, and in the end he couldn't achieve his goal, heck he couldn't even defeat Bradley without Selim's unintentional help! Not to mention he couldn't even save Selim. Then, he goes and makes Hawkeye worry about him...like he wants to put more on her plate. He winds up losing an eye, Hawkeye gets shot, Ed (the CHILD, he'd encouraged to join the army to further his own career) is considered dead to the world, and Al has no idea who the hell he is. With everything said and done, doesn't he deserve a little time to go be emo in his corner of the world? Yes, yes, I know crying over the past doesn't help much, but he needs time to heal, and though his running away from it all wasn't the wisest of choices, it was his decision.

I think you can find that all the characters in the anime have to be a bit different from the manga ones, because the difference in the story lines. Look at Hawkeye, she's obviously made more "gun happy" in the anime than the manga, but you can see where it comes from in the manga, it's just more exaggerated. I can see how the characters developed differently, and I consider them different entities from each other, but not OOC.

He is/was resigned to the fact that he will be sentenced to death after everything is said and done in the manga, how is Roy letting himself be executed not as horrible as him running away? I mean if for some reason Ed is no longer part of the manga world in the end, who is there to keep the 520 cenz promise going on? I'd say Riza, but she, too, expects to be executed after everything is over.

Also, he is being pushed by his emotions right now. The whole reason he got involved in Ed's business was Hughes' death! Now, Hawkeye, no, his whole team has been put in danger, and he has to be calm to and collected to make sure everything doesn't blow up in his face. I think the one thing the battle between him and Ed was made to show us is that Roy can and does use his head properly when under pressure.

The only scene from the anime I didn't like was where Riza wipes the sweat off Roy's forehead.

I do like the anime, but I enjoy the manga far more, for it's plot and characters.

@Turdeawen- In English "kick the bucket" usually references death, but I think it would also work for what you mean,actually I like that way it sounds, like he's willing to let himself die to the world.
Turdaewen
THAT's the hole idea! I DO like the anime. A LOT. But I just like the manga better.

And when I said about Roy not being very 'mature' in the anime I didn't meant only at COS, but at ALL. I just can't picture the manga Roy sulking at ANY situation as he does in the anime. And THAT's one of the main things that makes me love the manga Roy.
But, of course, those things in the anime suits the story just fine! Just as like I absolutely ADORE Riza, but in the anime... she just doesn't do ALL that much. She's a lot more 'key role' in the manga, there's no doubt about that.

QUOTE
@Turdeawen- In English "kick the bucket" usually references death, but I think it would also work for what you mean,actually I like that way it sounds, like he's willing to let himself die to the world.

Yeah... I remember that, now... But, in Brazilian Portuguese there's a hole different meaning to it. It's one of those things that simply has NO translation!! lol
We use it when a person is submitted to a situation that is tiresome or overloading for a long time and, from that point on, is not willing to take all that bull anymore... therefore 'kick the bucket', like 'not going to care anymore' or 'the hell with it'. lol
Turdaewen
QUOTE(Causmicfire @ Aug 7 2008, 02:43 PM) *
He is/was resigned to the fact that he will be sentenced to death after everything is said and done in the manga, how is Roy letting himself be executed not as horrible as him running away? I mean if for some reason Ed is no longer part of the manga world in the end, who is there to keep the 520 cenz promise going on? I'd say Riza, but she, too, expects to be executed after everything is over.

Hum... that brings up a very interesting discussion!! You know what's funny? I was discussing EXACTLY about Wartime law breaking at my International Law class, a few days ago! Anyways... we were discussing how accusations are made in these cases like massacres and civil war. And I actually asked my teacher what would happen in a case like the Ishbal massacre.

Riza said that the only thing standing between her (and Cel. Mustang) of being charged with genocide (actually, ethnocide) would be them being military, even though they were following orders.
And that would be true... IF there were institutions to where she could have submitted accusations against her superiors so she could justify the disobedience. But, since Amestris is a dictatorship, there are no such institutions! Even because the whole government was involved. So, there was no actual choice for her or the Colonel to disobey the orders...

It would be something similar to what happened after WWII at Nuremberg: the people in command and directly involved in the crimes were the one accused by the court. Most mid level/low level patent soldiers never even made it to Martial Court, let alone an International Trial and death sentence!


And... I think I might be taking all this a liiiittle bit too seriously... lmao
At least, if a question similar gets on my Tests, I'll know the answer!! lol
jacksparrow589
Causmicfire- I know what you mean about that scene with Riza wiping Roy's face. As sweet as it is, IT DOESN'T WORK FOR HER. And I agree with you on Roy resigning himself to execution. I mean, his defense against it probably wouldn't be very good unless he could prove that he had done everything he could to atone for the damages, as it were. Even then, he's going after the Fuhrer-- somthing that's bound to not sit well with womebody... *sighs* I really hope he makes it through this alive.

Turdaewen- Regarding the whole "charging the officials who gave the orders and not the soldiers who carried them out" idea: I really hope that's how it goes. That way, he and Riza can get together. Yay, Royai!

And, as usual, I have started posting (and finished writing the chapters for) a new Royai story on ff.net. I dunno if I put the news out on this one at all, so, here goes:

Title: To Dance With the Devil
Genre: Romance/General (A bit o' angst, a touch of family/friendship, a little hurt/comfort, and a slight bit supernatural-- Couldn't really decide what it had most of.)
Summary: Set to the lot of Trans-Siberian Orchestra’s concept CD, “Beethoven’s Last Night”. Roy Mustang struggles to find the meaning his music once gave him as he slowly goes deaf. Having lost everything –and everyone- he holds dear, a deal with the devil himself seems to be Roy’s only chance. Is Roy’s soul going to be bargained away, or can a twist of fate save him?

And no, the summary should not really be shortened. It leaves out WAY too many important things if I do that.
Imagining_Dark_Roses
frankly, i feel that the only scene where Riza is in character in the entire anime is where she stops the car because he looks like he wants to get out. everyting else.... well, it's partially that Riza's emotional shell is part of her character, and when you make her emotionally avalible, it automatically makes her OOC. then, also, she's far too weak. the manga!Riza Hawkeye would not go running screaming after a hot air balloon.
as for Roy... partially, it's simply his immaturity. then its the lack of RoyAi. then it's his ego. and his playboy attitude. in the manga, his ego is a shell. he acts like he's all that and hates himself inside. in the anime, he just hates himself. Roy needs his ego!shell back. as for his immaturity, its mostly his lack of consideration that bugs me. he didnt consider how going to emo in the North might affect others.not to mention he's simply an idiot. "I see dead people. In my blind eye." Plus, the whole playboy thing... in the manga, his GFs are informants, not a-certain-word-i-can't-say.
i am of the strong opinion that he is not, in the anime, the type of man you would want to lead a country. And frankly, if manga!Riza was somehow transported to the anime, i think she'd shoot him.
Turdaewen
lol
She would DEFINITELY shoot the anime Roy!! lmao

And why the hell people think Roy is a ladies' man?? Really, I don't they're reading the same manga as I am! O.o

The deal about Riza in the anime is that she simply doesn't show up as much! I mean, there, I think theres only ONE moment you see her outside her work: the last chapter. And she will look cold at work, because she takes it seriously. At the anime, she's little more than 'one of the people in the military'... in the manga, she's one of the main characters aside the Ed/Al/Winry trio.
More than that, the military do not 'just happens to be there because Ed became a military'. They have part in history and their own deals.
RoyxRizaFan
jacksparrow589 - I'll read your story tomorrow...it's kind of late now where I am...

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frankly, i feel that the only scene where Riza is in character in the entire anime is where she stops the car because he looks like he wants to get out. everyting else.... well, it's partially that Riza's emotional shell is part of her character, and when you make her emotionally avalible, it automatically makes her OOC. then, also, she's far too weak. the manga!Riza Hawkeye would not go running screaming after a hot air balloon.
as for Roy... partially, it's simply his immaturity. then its the lack of RoyAi. then it's his ego. and his playboy attitude. in the manga, his ego is a shell. he acts like he's all that and hates himself inside. in the anime, he just hates himself. Roy needs his ego!shell back. as for his immaturity, its mostly his lack of consideration that bugs me. he didnt consider how going to emo in the North might affect others.not to mention he's simply an idiot. "I see dead people. In my blind eye." Plus, the whole playboy thing... in the manga, his GFs are informants, not a-certain-word-i-can't-say.i am of the strong opinion that he is not, in the anime, the type of man you would want to lead a country. And frankly, if manga!Riza was somehow transported to the anime, i think she'd shoot him.


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More than that, the military do not 'just happens to be there because Ed became a military'. They have part in history and their own deals.


I love you people.

I hate how in the anime they have to practically put aside seperate episodes just to give lines to people like Falman, Breda, Fuery and Havoc. As for Riza, she was totally out of character and if i only watched the anime, i think i'd dislike her. And Roy. And RoyAi. Luckily i read manga first. She's way to weak, one-sided personality and doesn't seem to have much self respect. Roy just sucks at life in general.
riza'slittlesister
I didn't think the anime was bad, persay, I just like the manga a lot more. I like Hawkeye's character and the lack of the overwhelming emo!Roy-ness. The ending bugged me too, but I can hold out hope that the actual creator of the series will give us something more satisfying in the manga. *knock wood*
Turdaewen
I'm sure Arakawa's ending will be a LOT better than the anime's.

jacksparrow589 - Yay!!! Fanfic! ^^ I'll read yours as soon as I can. Who knows, I might even get inspired to go back to writing myself. \o/

RoyxRizaFan - I've watched the anime first. But, then Roy was just a comic character then and Riza... well... lets just say I only knew her name by heart towards the last 3rd of the anime. But I loved Al in the anime. (in the manga, then, a LOT more, as EVERYTHING, which somewhat highlighted to me in the manga) And Ed and Winry, too... but the military... not as much.
Let's just say only got to REALLY know Roy and Riza in the manga.
Saving_Grace
I actually disagree with you guys on the anime/manga Riza differences, I think she's definitely proven in the manga that her emotional shell can and does break, (okay yes, I will agree that the balloon thing was a little over-dramatic) and I don't think there is that much of a difference between the two. Another thing with Riza is that she is ridiculously underused in both forms of FMA (yes, manga too), and because of that I seriously don't think we've learnt enough about her or seen enough of her to make half the assumptions that we do (oh, I do it too). I would yank this chain some more, but I just can't be bothered.

I'm with you on the anime Royness. I'm going to give up all my hopes and ambitions and go hide in the snow? Please.
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jacksparrow589
A-HA! Thank you, Saving Grace! A point I didn't really think of until you mentioned it! I do think Riza is underused in the anime, so when they do use her, it's basically because she has guns, so they tend to ignore her other, more important characteristics, such as how she deals with things. To me, it just tends to be a little over the top, though. I'm not saying it isn't possible when you've got adrenaline rushing through your veins, but it seems that her mood swings just a little too extremely in the anime.

In the manga, she does do essentially the same thing, but mostly to a lesser degree. (Note the "MOSTLY". I know full-well that there are a few extreme reactions in there.) We do get to know her more in the manga, though, and so when we try to apply what we know of Riza in the manga to Anime!Riza, it doesn't work. The two should not be mixed. There is more attention given to her character development in the manga, but not as much as I'd like to see. Then again, unless I'm wrong, we know pretty much nothing of Roy's background before his training with Hawkeye-sensei. It's the same sort of thing, I'd say. I get a preconception of a character, and when something goes against that, I tend to freak out a little bit.

That said, the above is my opinion, and I don't really care if you don't see things the same way because this discussion/debate is fun. I enjoy reading everyone else's views. They make me think.
Turdaewen
Yeah, we don't know about Riza's entire life, even because, though she's a central piece in the manga, she's not the main character... But we do know quite a few. At least we know enough to understand her character and her way of thinking, her approach on life...
But I agree with you, Saving Grace. It would be sweet to get to know more about her.

Changing the topic completely, does someone knows where I can find some older Doujinshis? I've searched a few EVERYWHERE, but can't seem to find them sad.gif
RoyxRizaFan4ever
I just read the most recent chapter and must say I'm surprised by one of the revelations. So Grumman, Riza's grandfather, wants to take over the government once all is said and done, sacrificing Roy and Armstrong in the process. Darn, I liked the old guy until now...
jacksparrow589
RoyxRizaFan4ever- That's exactly what I thought about it at first, as well. But that's actually just Miles imagining it if you look closely. I had to be set straight on that, too, so don't worry. Although, it'd be kinda interesting if he did that so that he could save Roy's sorry butt when all's said and done. I'd actually kind of like that-- it could possibly ensure a future for Royai. I mean, Maria Ross was already sent to Xing. If Ling survives this whole thing and comes out as himself and not Greed, I wonder if he'd be willing to consider giving Roy some help after Roy helped him. This makes me want to go write a post-everything Royai fanfic on that now. Stupid plot bunnies-- they pop up at the worst times.

EDIT: After actually seeing the picture, I'm having a little bit of doubt about Miles just imagining things. It could be that Miles is on the same train of thought as Grumman, and he's thinking that it's not likely. Now, I can't really see Grumman pulling a full-on betrayal like that, but I can see him doing that to save everyone else. That, and I mostly tend to think the best of people until proven otherwise.
Saving_Grace
I think it'd be great if Grunnman turned traitor! He's seems so nice. Plot twist! Ooh! The drama!
I'm still not 100% sure he is Riza's grandfather, where did that rumour come from again? I know there was a thing earlier when he asked Roy to marry his granddaughter, but that's not where this stems from...

I just question it because I remember Riza saying to Roy after her dad's death that she has no other family- something along those lines, anyhoo.

Woo... Ran-Fan...

(She bores me for some reason.)
Amethyst Sunset
Spoilers for the latest chapter.

Whoa, hidden agenda much, Grumman? XD Could this have something to do with Riza - I mean, that rumor that he's Riza's grandfather is still going around, and I sorta use it in my fanfics too...

All right, Ran Fan's back! I've been waiting for this!

And, epic battles FTW!


Pity there was no Royai in this chapter. *le sigh*

*crosses fingers for the next chapter*

Wonder what'll happen when Riza and/or Roy find out that Grumman's also got a scheme of his own?
Turdaewen
That's right, Saving Grace! She tells Roy that neither her parents had any contact with their relatives for years, and she had no other close relative.
People just assumed he was her grandfather because of that scene when Grumman asks Roy to marry his granddaughter. But that happens WAY before the Ishbal tale. By then, we learn she has no relatives, so there's absolutely NO way he's her grandfather.

And about Grumman... it WOULD be nice for him to be a traitor, but I still think it's too soon to jump into any conclusions. After all, Grumman was the one who taught Colonel Mustang to 'hide' his plans better than anyone else. He's not the kind of guy to let the game out that easily. He might as well have a previous plan with Roy to do something else entirely. Or even BE a traitor, after all... we'll have to wait to see.
Imagining_Dark_Roses
actually, the rumor started from somehting Arakwa said. I don't remember what it was, though.... hold on, i'm going to dig around the web. well, wikipedia says he's her grandfather, but it's wikipedia...
this is curious but I HAD NO IDEA ARAKAWA HAS ANOTHER SERIALIZED MANGA! THATS ALSO AN ANIME! WTF! HOW DID I NOT KNOW THIS! ....is this even true? Jushin Enbu?
ok. i give up. but i refuse to believe that grumman is evil. and i still think he's Riza's grandfather. i know this sounds odd, but Roy refered to Riza as "his queen", and Grumman's message was hidden in the king.... i just think there is some link between them. anhyways, i'll ask around in otakudom and see if i can find any concrete evidence. someone in a drag can't be that evil! he..... hmph. i refuse. BUT.... i wonder, if he was, what miles would have to do with it? who would he choose to support? He's obviosly with Olivia, and she's with whoever is the strongest, but i get a feeling he'd side with Ed, for some reason. i think he likes the kid.
new chapter. i wanted more Riza! hmph. ...thats about all ive got to say on the RoyAi. the Ling/Ran Fan confrontation was much less than i'd hoped. i started singing "kiss the girl" under my breath. it didnt work.
and she doesnt say she has no close relatives, actually, she says her families are estranged. so it is entirely possible for her to have a grandfather that she simply doesnt talk to. its possible she wouldnt even know Grumman was her grandfather.
he's not evil. *pouts*
Turdaewen
OMG... so... I checked about Arakawa saying anything about that! ^^ She says he's her grandfather (mother side) in the Perfect Guide Book 2, page 73... O.O Trully shocked, now. I'd already given up on that one. :s


And about Grumman being a traitor... we can't really say anything yet, can we? But I do think there's more to it than simply 'getting power'. After all, we know nothing of Mustang's plans to destroy the homunculi, yet... maybe that Grumman thing is ALSO part of that plan... who knows?
Saving_Grace
QUOTE(Turdaewen @ Aug 14 2008, 02:00 PM) *
OMG... so... I checked about Arakawa saying anything about that! ^^ She says he's her grandfather (mother side) in the Perfect Guide Book 2, page 73...


Oh, okay. I guess he is then. Perhaps he sought her out after Riza's father died or vice-versa. There's my theory...

I was actually a little disapointed with this chapter. No one cares about the chimeras! Jeez!
Causmicfire
QUOTE(Saving_Grace @ Aug 13 2008, 09:25 PM) *
QUOTE(Turdaewen @ Aug 14 2008, 02:00 PM) *
OMG... so... I checked about Arakawa saying anything about that! ^^ She says he's her grandfather (mother side) in the Perfect Guide Book 2, page 73...


Oh, okay. I guess he is then. Perhaps he sought her out after Riza's father died or vice-versa. There's my theory...

I was actually a little disapointed with this chapter. No one cares about the chimeras! Jeez!



I'm guessing it was definitely Grumman seeking her out, sort of.

I imagine he knew his daughter got married to a man with the name Hawkeye (remember Hawkeye-sensei hated the military, so it would make sense for his wife to be estranged from her father), and when a woman with the name Hawkeye started working in Eastern he put two and two together.

Now for a shameless fanfic plug from a couple months ago! This is what I call the Guardian Arc, which some of you have read, but not the newer members...I don't think. Anyways, it kind of has some of my view points/speculations on the GrummanxRiza, GrummanXRoy, and RoyxRiza relationships. Youcan find it here@lj.
Turdaewen
I was a little disappointed, too. But it was a nice chapter, it's just that I'm a little concerned and curious about what will happen with Riza, Fuery and Breda. sad.gif
RoyxRizaFan
I have no idea what to think about Grumman. I've heard so many different theories from Miles was imagining it, to its part of Roy's plan (he always was willing to sacrifice to save the country, though Olivia never would which kind of kills this theory) or Grumman's a scheming loser. Somehow, i don't think I'll ever be able to hate him though because he amuses me so much tongue.gif

The lack of Royai this past year is really getting to me...how much longer will arakawa torture us fans???
Turdaewen
It IS getting quite annoying, isn't it? Hopes there's loads in the next chapters to compensate. lol
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